1784 Tax List, Nash Dist., St James Dist , Caswell Co., NC Ragon, Jesse 100ac Bluewing Creek 1 - 0 Ragon, Owen 150 Bluewing Creek 1 - 0 Ragon, Nathan 150 Mayo Creek 1 - 0 Ragon, John 0 - 1 - 0 Taxlist 1794 Nash Dist.: Ragoon, Jesay 350 Ac. 1 WP Ragoon, John 0 1 WP Ragoon, Nathan 166.5 Ac. 1 WP I have not found a John Rgn. in any of the tax lists or censusfjor Caswell Co., between 1784 and 1794. Since there is only one John Rgn. listed in the 1784 tax list, this is probably John, Jr. and is the father of Nathan, Jesse and Owen, which would indicate that John, Sr., died 1771-1784. The John Rgn. listed in the 1794 tax list could be the son of Nathan Rgn. and husband of Patsey Rgn. listed one place down from Nathan Rgn. in the 1800 Census of Person Co., and who with her new husbasnd, William Jones, accompained Nathan to Dickson Co., TN area.in ca 1805. James H. Ragon ----- Original Message ----- From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] 1755 Granville & 1770 Orange NC John Ragon > > So do you think likely that the John Jr (with John Sr in 1770 Orange) b. > by 1749 could be a brother of Owen, Jesse, and Nathan? > And where did this John Jr go to aft 1770? > Thus John Sr b. by 1728 had sons b. late 1740's through 1750's? > > JW Garrett > > > >> From: slpstk@eplus.net >> To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:58:15 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] 1755 Granville & 1770 Orange NC John Ragon >> >> Timothy Ragan is not a sibling of Nathan, Jesse and Owen. He is the >> Timothy >> Ragan who settled in Sevier Co., Tn. and the ancestor of Donald B. >> Reagan. >> >> 1830 Know Co., KY census: Owen Ragan 102100100001-2100100111. Most posts >> states his birth ca 1753. There is no age stated in his RW pension >> application. >> >> Jesse Ragan RW pension application in Person Co., NC, 19 Sep, 1832, >> states >> his age as "about seventyeight years". ca 1754. >> >> Nathan Ragan: 1830 Dickson Co., TN census: 0311200001-00010. The 5-10 >> males are Nathan's sons Moses, Washington and George W.and the older are >> his >> stepsons. Birth 1750-1760. >> The Patsey Ragon listed in the 2nd down from Nathan Ragon in the 1800 >> Census >> of Person Co., NC. Who married William Jones in Orange Co., NC ca 1803, >> and >> the couple came to Dickson Co., Tn. William Jones died bef. 1818, Patsy >> Jones and Nathan Ragan sign the estate settlement papers as co- >> administrators. I have no record of the children listed with her in 1800 >> census. Nathan Ragan was appointed guardian of Middleton, Richmond and >> Elizabeth Jones minor children of William Jones, desc, by Dickson Co. >> Court >> 7 April, 1823. Neither Martha(Patsy) nor her decendants are listed as >> legatees in the 1846 Lawsuit concerning Nathan's estate which very >> probably >> excludes her as a daughter of Nathan Ragan She may be the widow of >> Nathan's >> son John ( I have no verification of either) but the fact that two of his >> sons named a son John. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> >> To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:21 AM >> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] 1755 Granville & 1770 Orange NC John Ragon >> >> >> > >> > Ok >> > Owen Rgn says he was born in Granville NC. When was he born? I estimate >> > 1750's. >> > Was his brothers Nathan & Jesse b. 1750's as well? >> > If they were born 1750's then likely the John Ragon of 1755 Granville >> > is >> > the father b. by 1734. >> > >> > Then in 1760 Granville we have a John Riggin entering 600 acres Parish >> > of >> > St John on N side of Watry Run. >> > Which John? John/Ann Bell or John f/o Owen, Nathan, Jesse? >> > >> > In 1770 Orange NC >> > John Jr & John Sr are petitioning. >> > Ok is this John Jr an older sibling of Owen, Nathan, Timothy, Jesse? >> > If this is correct then John Sr had to be born by 1728 and John Jr b. >> > by >> > 1749, likely the oldest son. >> > Then Owen, Jesse, Nathan, and Timothy all b. 1750's. >> > >> > Can anyone confirm this? >> > >> > JW Garrett >> > >> > >> > for Ragan-Roots archives go to >> > >> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> for Ragan-Roots archives go to >> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So do you think likely that the John Jr (with John Sr in 1770 Orange) b. by 1749 could be a brother of Owen, Jesse, and Nathan? And where did this John Jr go to aft 1770? Thus John Sr b. by 1728 had sons b. late 1740's through 1750's? JW Garrett > From: slpstk@eplus.net > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 09:58:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] 1755 Granville & 1770 Orange NC John Ragon > > Timothy Ragan is not a sibling of Nathan, Jesse and Owen. He is the Timothy > Ragan who settled in Sevier Co., Tn. and the ancestor of Donald B. Reagan. > > 1830 Know Co., KY census: Owen Ragan 102100100001-2100100111. Most posts > states his birth ca 1753. There is no age stated in his RW pension > application. > > Jesse Ragan RW pension application in Person Co., NC, 19 Sep, 1832, states > his age as "about seventyeight years". ca 1754. > > Nathan Ragan: 1830 Dickson Co., TN census: 0311200001-00010. The 5-10 > males are Nathan's sons Moses, Washington and George W.and the older are his > stepsons. Birth 1750-1760. > The Patsey Ragon listed in the 2nd down from Nathan Ragon in the 1800 Census > of Person Co., NC. Who married William Jones in Orange Co., NC ca 1803, and > the couple came to Dickson Co., Tn. William Jones died bef. 1818, Patsy > Jones and Nathan Ragan sign the estate settlement papers as co- > administrators. I have no record of the children listed with her in 1800 > census. Nathan Ragan was appointed guardian of Middleton, Richmond and > Elizabeth Jones minor children of William Jones, desc, by Dickson Co. Court > 7 April, 1823. Neither Martha(Patsy) nor her decendants are listed as > legatees in the 1846 Lawsuit concerning Nathan's estate which very probably > excludes her as a daughter of Nathan Ragan She may be the widow of Nathan's > son John ( I have no verification of either) but the fact that two of his > sons named a son John. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> > To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:21 AM > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] 1755 Granville & 1770 Orange NC John Ragon > > > > > > Ok > > Owen Rgn says he was born in Granville NC. When was he born? I estimate > > 1750's. > > Was his brothers Nathan & Jesse b. 1750's as well? > > If they were born 1750's then likely the John Ragon of 1755 Granville is > > the father b. by 1734. > > > > Then in 1760 Granville we have a John Riggin entering 600 acres Parish of > > St John on N side of Watry Run. > > Which John? John/Ann Bell or John f/o Owen, Nathan, Jesse? > > > > In 1770 Orange NC > > John Jr & John Sr are petitioning. > > Ok is this John Jr an older sibling of Owen, Nathan, Timothy, Jesse? > > If this is correct then John Sr had to be born by 1728 and John Jr b. by > > 1749, likely the oldest son. > > Then Owen, Jesse, Nathan, and Timothy all b. 1750's. > > > > Can anyone confirm this? > > > > JW Garrett > > > > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Timothy Ragan is not a sibling of Nathan, Jesse and Owen. He is the Timothy Ragan who settled in Sevier Co., Tn. and the ancestor of Donald B. Reagan. 1830 Know Co., KY census: Owen Ragan 102100100001-2100100111. Most posts states his birth ca 1753. There is no age stated in his RW pension application. Jesse Ragan RW pension application in Person Co., NC, 19 Sep, 1832, states his age as "about seventyeight years". ca 1754. Nathan Ragan: 1830 Dickson Co., TN census: 0311200001-00010. The 5-10 males are Nathan's sons Moses, Washington and George W.and the older are his stepsons. Birth 1750-1760. The Patsey Ragon listed in the 2nd down from Nathan Ragon in the 1800 Census of Person Co., NC. Who married William Jones in Orange Co., NC ca 1803, and the couple came to Dickson Co., Tn. William Jones died bef. 1818, Patsy Jones and Nathan Ragan sign the estate settlement papers as co- administrators. I have no record of the children listed with her in 1800 census. Nathan Ragan was appointed guardian of Middleton, Richmond and Elizabeth Jones minor children of William Jones, desc, by Dickson Co. Court 7 April, 1823. Neither Martha(Patsy) nor her decendants are listed as legatees in the 1846 Lawsuit concerning Nathan's estate which very probably excludes her as a daughter of Nathan Ragan She may be the widow of Nathan's son John ( I have no verification of either) but the fact that two of his sons named a son John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:21 AM Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] 1755 Granville & 1770 Orange NC John Ragon > > Ok > Owen Rgn says he was born in Granville NC. When was he born? I estimate > 1750's. > Was his brothers Nathan & Jesse b. 1750's as well? > If they were born 1750's then likely the John Ragon of 1755 Granville is > the father b. by 1734. > > Then in 1760 Granville we have a John Riggin entering 600 acres Parish of > St John on N side of Watry Run. > Which John? John/Ann Bell or John f/o Owen, Nathan, Jesse? > > In 1770 Orange NC > John Jr & John Sr are petitioning. > Ok is this John Jr an older sibling of Owen, Nathan, Timothy, Jesse? > If this is correct then John Sr had to be born by 1728 and John Jr b. by > 1749, likely the oldest son. > Then Owen, Jesse, Nathan, and Timothy all b. 1750's. > > Can anyone confirm this? > > JW Garrett > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ok Owen Rgn says he was born in Granville NC. When was he born? I estimate 1750's. Was his brothers Nathan & Jesse b. 1750's as well? If they were born 1750's then likely the John Ragon of 1755 Granville is the father b. by 1734. Then in 1760 Granville we have a John Riggin entering 600 acres Parish of St John on N side of Watry Run. Which John? John/Ann Bell or John f/o Owen, Nathan, Jesse? In 1770 Orange NC John Jr & John Sr are petitioning. Ok is this John Jr an older sibling of Owen, Nathan, Timothy, Jesse? If this is correct then John Sr had to be born by 1728 and John Jr b. by 1749, likely the oldest son. Then Owen, Jesse, Nathan, and Timothy all b. 1750's. Can anyone confirm this? JW Garrett

Will use the blackberry for awhile-yuk! Amos was James's youngest son, NOT his father. There was an Edward on tax lists in Rowan in the 1760's who very well may hv been James father. A Peter and William were also in the same local- Rich Fork. I looked through Bute/Warren records prettily heavily at one time to see if the Ragans might hv come from there over to Rowan. Even tho they hv the same naming patterns, dates don't match. What is weird is that the Gilliams were there! They moved to Rowan, beside the Ragans that were already there, promptly married their daughter off to James Ragan and sold him land! Seems there would be a connection, but I can't find it. On top of that, the Gilliams and Ragans are living beside Paynes (not related to mine) that probably came from Bute. I hv no idea where the Peter Ragan went after Rowan-(1784). When I get my laptop up I'll hv more dates. Susan Pratt Oh when u talk of James and John in bute, are u talking abt Wm Powell's orphan's? Sent from my U.S. Cellular BlackBerry® smartphone -----Original Message----- From: james garrett <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sender: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:34:36 To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 I have never seen Amos Regan. If James was b. 1748 his father Amos had to be born by 1727. What do you know of this Amos Rgn...places, activities, and dates? JW Garrett > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:29:15 -0500 > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > From: pamitch@iquest.net > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > Oops! James Ragans birth date should have been shown as 2 Dec 1748 > and I have his parents as Amos Ragans and Elizabeth Payne. No > documentation at this time. The father's name is probably correct > but the it is tentative as to his wife. Does this help? > > > At 01:44 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote: > > >I'm familiar with is James Rgn, but was he born 1751 or 1748? Or > >was you referring to his wife Sarah born 1751. > >I have been for yrs trying to idetify James's parents. > > > >JW Garrett > >------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:02:25 -0500 > > > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > > > From: pamitch@iquest.net > > > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > > > > > Good evening - Not to muddy the waters, but I have been a silent > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message for Ragan-Roots archives go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's my laptop-blackberry works just fine. Will get it fixed soon. Sorry to bother everyone! Sent from my U.S. Cellular BlackBerry® smartphone -----Original Message----- From: james garrett <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sender: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:54:42 To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 A couple of the early Rowan NC Rgns were Edward in 1761 & a John in 1762 & a Wm in 1768. Anyone know when James first appears in Rowan and from where? Or could he have been born in Rowan? JW Garrett > From: mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:41:52 -0500 > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > You folk are really going to make a poor sick woman crawl into a chilly > basement to dig out antediluvian stuff aren't you ? I have seen this. As I > recall, I was chasing Paynes at the time, and failed to follow back on the > RGN's. Rowan is a red flag. JAmes? > > -----Original Message----- > From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Mitchell > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:02 PM > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > Good evening - Not to muddy the waters, but I have been a silent > observer for a number of years and would like to ask if anyone has > information on this person: > The James Ragan who married Sarah Gilliam, b. 7 Nov. 1751. His > father may have been Amos Ragan and mother Elizabeth Payne. I am > descended through their daughter Joan /Jane Ragens b. @1778/80 in > Rowan County. N.C. and died sometime between 1831/1834 along the > Cumberland Trail as they moved to Indiana. Joan/Jane Ragans married > Isaac Payne b. 1780, md. 21 Aug 1806 in Rowan County, N.C. bond given > for the bride by a Welborn, d. 1850/1865 in Monroe County, > Indiana. His burial place and exact death date are unknown to me at > this time. I am willing to share what documentation I have. Some > of which was furnished by Elizabeth Ragan. Children from Family > Bible were James Payne, b. 5 Aug 1807, probably in N.C. d. 13 Jan. > 1874 in Monroe Co., IN; Sarah Payne b. @ 1812 nothing more > known; Susannah Payne, b. 9 Apr. 1815 Rowan Co., N.C. d. 11 Oct. > 1895, Salt Creek Twn, Monroe Co., IN; Isaac Payne b. @1815 d. (date > of death on tombstone in Covenanter Cemetery, Perry Twn., Monroe Co., > IN (age about 30/35); Noah Payne b. 1817/1818 in N.C. (I have more > info on him and his family) > and my ancestor, Jesse Ragans Payne b. 22 Feb. 1820 in Rowan Co., > N.C. (he was 16 when is mother died on their way to Indiana), who > married Margaret Elizabeth Shook b. 25 Oct. 1825 in N.C., d. 28 May 1892. > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message for Ragan-Roots archives go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Obviously I am doing something wrong! I just typed up a long message abt rowan co ragans, and it didn't go through! Help! Sent from my U.S. Cellular BlackBerry® smartphone -----Original Message----- From: james garrett <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sender: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:54:42 To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 A couple of the early Rowan NC Rgns were Edward in 1761 & a John in 1762 & a Wm in 1768. Anyone know when James first appears in Rowan and from where? Or could he have been born in Rowan? JW Garrett > From: mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:41:52 -0500 > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > You folk are really going to make a poor sick woman crawl into a chilly > basement to dig out antediluvian stuff aren't you ? I have seen this. As I > recall, I was chasing Paynes at the time, and failed to follow back on the > RGN's. Rowan is a red flag. JAmes? > > -----Original Message----- > From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Mitchell > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:02 PM > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > Good evening - Not to muddy the waters, but I have been a silent > observer for a number of years and would like to ask if anyone has > information on this person: > The James Ragan who married Sarah Gilliam, b. 7 Nov. 1751. His > father may have been Amos Ragan and mother Elizabeth Payne. I am > descended through their daughter Joan /Jane Ragens b. @1778/80 in > Rowan County. N.C. and died sometime between 1831/1834 along the > Cumberland Trail as they moved to Indiana. Joan/Jane Ragans married > Isaac Payne b. 1780, md. 21 Aug 1806 in Rowan County, N.C. bond given > for the bride by a Welborn, d. 1850/1865 in Monroe County, > Indiana. His burial place and exact death date are unknown to me at > this time. I am willing to share what documentation I have. Some > of which was furnished by Elizabeth Ragan. Children from Family > Bible were James Payne, b. 5 Aug 1807, probably in N.C. d. 13 Jan. > 1874 in Monroe Co., IN; Sarah Payne b. @ 1812 nothing more > known; Susannah Payne, b. 9 Apr. 1815 Rowan Co., N.C. d. 11 Oct. > 1895, Salt Creek Twn, Monroe Co., IN; Isaac Payne b. @1815 d. (date > of death on tombstone in Covenanter Cemetery, Perry Twn., Monroe Co., > IN (age about 30/35); Noah Payne b. 1817/1818 in N.C. (I have more > info on him and his family) > and my ancestor, Jesse Ragans Payne b. 22 Feb. 1820 in Rowan Co., > N.C. (he was 16 when is mother died on their way to Indiana), who > married Margaret Elizabeth Shook b. 25 Oct. 1825 in N.C., d. 28 May 1892. > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message for Ragan-Roots archives go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I lost something here... who mentioned Jonathan? The Jonathan Riggan in Warren/Bute is an interesting character...mostly because he was murdered in a shop invasion. we have the following: DB-3, page 140. 8 October 1770. WILLIAM GILLIAM, of Granville Co., to WILLIAM SHELL, of Brunswick Co., Va. 76 Pds Va. money for 224 A. in Bute Co. - from EARL GRANVILLE - adj. SAMUEL YE(A)RGAIN, WILLIAM CLANTON, MARTIN FORREST, JONATHAN RIGGIN, JOHN JAMES BIRD, THOMAS EATON& GILLIAM.Wit: BENJAMIN BRETT, DANIEL HUFF, ELIZABETH BARKER.Proved by BENJAMIN BRETT, Bute November Court 1770, BEN McCULLOCH, C.C.Reg: 17 February 1771, by WILLIAM JOHNSON, P.R.Marginal notation: 26 July 1771 Deld. to MARMADUKE JOHNSON. DB-3, page 197. 1770. JONATHAN RIGGAN (RAGGAN) to GEORGE WEBB, both of Bute Co. 46 Pds. Procl money (1/2 to be paid 25 Dec.1770 & 1/2 25 Dec. 1771) for 278 A. along the Country Line, adj. JOHN LINCH, SR., JAMES McLANORE,WM. GILLIAM & land sold to MARTIN FOREST, bought from ARTHUR ATKINS, who had bought it from ALEXANDER DONALD, being part of a 556 A. grant to him fromEARL GRANVILLE. Wit: DANIEL PEGRAM, JR., FREDRICK COOK. Ack:by JONATHAN RIGGIN, Bute Feb. Court 1771,BEN McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg:5 May 1771, by WILLIAM JOHNSON,P.R. 242. 27 April 1792 (shown correctly as 1772 in original document; see page 255 ff.); Aug. Ct. 1793. THOMAS JONES of Bute Co., Colony of N. C. Release of his claim to share of Est. of SAML .JONES, dec'd. to his Mother AGNESS JONES & his brothers & sisters, for 45 Pds. Wit: JOSEPH WILLIAMS (Jurat), JOS. BUSBY & JONATHAN RIGGAN. Jonathan is a grandson of John/Bell Riggan via John's son William and Elizabeth Hall Riggan. Jonathan, born in Bute NC, is one of 7 sons of this couple. Jonathan married Catherine Hall Raney, dau of William Raney and Catherine VAughn. Jonathan, a shop owner, was murdered in 1819 WArren Co NC. He left two sons: Edmund Hall Raney and James Vaughn Riggan. Jonathan's brothers are Samuel, Jeremiah, William Watson, Benjamin, Michael, and James. The dates of birth range from 1780-1797 in Warren Co NC. M'ellen original note: >Greetings - Would someone be kind enough to resend to me directly >the message from Don with new findings. I have information on a >Jesse Reagan and Suannah who died and are buried at Quimby, Indiana, >including pictures of the cemetery headstone. Thank you in advance >

There is more than one John in NC...the James name is thinner... right now we are trying to connect the John who married Anne Bell, dau of Thomas to someone, anyone, volunteers? He is NOT the son of Joseph, or the son of Wm Powell Rgn. He is born about 1725 and pops up on a Granville tax list in 1755 NC with Francis tagging along behind. This Francis and John interact with the same folk that leave Charles Co MD and go to Stafford/Prince George, Surry VA and then show up in Warren/Bute NC. Durhams, Colcloughs, Footes, Powells, Woods...etc. We are pretty convinced that the Wm Powell who leaves the pack of sons in 1770 Warren/Bute is definitely the Powell, son of William born in Stafford VA in 1722. We believe the William who dies in 1744 Stafford is the son of James /Joan of Charles Co, VA. So who are the rest of these clowns in NC.? James/Joan had other kids...only one of whom seems to have stayed in MD...so where did everybody go???? Who has the missing Charlie and Mathew?? I think John/Bell is the guy in 1748 Surry Co VA listed as John Jr... okay...he is with John Sr, Joseph, Jane, and Mary....and the answer is ........ BTW, Francis is not young enough to be John's son...could be a brother... could be a cousin... or a hitchhiker...If we knew who the Warren/Bute bunch were we'd be a lot closer to naming TN, KY, and the other counties of NC.... I think... M'ellen I leave tomorrow for Sarasota. ( the snow melts in NH every Jan...back there in late Feb) in the Sarasota Library is that enormous 2 vol. unabridged Powell tome put out by heaven know how many Powell researchers. The first entry is a Riggan marriage...any way...I'll take a poke and see what their geography looks like. -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ssmcs@winco.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:01 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 Will use the blackberry for awhile-yuk! Amos was James's youngest son, NOT his father. There was an Edward on tax lists in Rowan in the 1760's who very well may hv been James father. A Peter and William were also in the same local- Rich Fork. I looked through Bute/Warren records prettily heavily at one time to see if the Ragans might hv come from there over to Rowan. Even tho they hv the same naming patterns, dates don't match. What is weird is that the Gilliams were there! They moved to Rowan, beside the Ragans that were already there, promptly married their daughter off to James Ragan and sold him land! Seems there would be a connection, but I can't find it. On top of that, the Gilliams and Ragans are living beside Paynes (not related to mine) that probably came from Bute. I hv no idea where the Peter Ragan went after Rowan-(1784). When I get my laptop up I'll hv more dates. Susan Pratt Oh when u talk of James and John in bute, are u talking abt Wm Powell's orphan's? Sent from my U.S. Cellular BlackBerryR smartphone

>To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com >From: Pat <pamitch@iquest.net> >Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Jonathan Ragan's Birthplace >Cc: dbrbear1949@comcast.net, bdgworkman@yahoo.com >Bcc: pamitch@iquest.net > >Greetings - Would someone be kind enough to resend to me directly >the message from Don with new findings. I have information on a >Jesse Reagan and Suannah who died and are buried at Quimby, Indiana, >including pictures of the cemetery headstone. Thank you in advance > > >At 01:22 PM 5/19/2009, you wrote: >>Tuesday afternoon >>May 19, 2009 >> >>Hello to all Ragan-Roots researchers! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> for Ragan-Roots archives go to >> >>http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have that Sarah Gilliam b. 1751, wife of James b. 1748 parents are Jesse I. Gilliam b. @1730 and Jane unknown b. @1732. My great uncle told me many years ago that his great grandfather, Isaac Payne came from High Point, N.C. The Payne's arrived in Indiana about 1834 and sold property in Rowan Co., NC in a deed dated 1831 but not recorded until a later date. I also found in the Recorder's Office of Lawrence Co., IN the land patent to Isaac Payne and the reference to the date of the same property to a Cooper. This later information is off the top of my head. Isaac Payne's sons, James Payne was a miller and Jesse Payne was a carpenter. I'll back track a bit here, Elizabeth Ragan's book mentioned that there were Quakers in one of the families and until I find my Amos Ragan book I cannot remember exactly which one it was. Thanks for the replies from Mary Ellen and JW I didn't expect to hear so promptly. At 01:54 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote: >A couple of the early Rowan NC Rgns were Edward in 1761 & a John in >1762 & a Wm in 1768. >Anyone know when James first appears in Rowan and from where? Or >could he have been born in Rowan? > >JW Garrett

Oops! James Ragans birth date should have been shown as 2 Dec 1748 and I have his parents as Amos Ragans and Elizabeth Payne. No documentation at this time. The father's name is probably correct but the it is tentative as to his wife. Does this help? At 01:44 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote: >I'm familiar with is James Rgn, but was he born 1751 or 1748? Or >was you referring to his wife Sarah born 1751. >I have been for yrs trying to idetify James's parents. > >JW Garrett >------------------------- > > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:02:25 -0500 > > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > > From: pamitch@iquest.net > > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > > > Good evening - Not to muddy the waters, but I have been a silent

how long....size could be a problem...don't hit reply...start fresh...no old messages then -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ssmcs@winco.net Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:00 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 Obviously I am doing something wrong! I just typed up a long message abt rowan co ragans, and it didn't go through! Help! Sent from my U.S. Cellular BlackBerryR smartphone -----Original Message----- From: james garrett <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sender: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:54:42 To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 A couple of the early Rowan NC Rgns were Edward in 1761 & a John in 1762 & a Wm in 1768. Anyone know when James first appears in Rowan and from where? Or could he have been born in Rowan? JW Garrett > From: mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:41:52 -0500 > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > You folk are really going to make a poor sick woman crawl into a chilly > basement to dig out antediluvian stuff aren't you ? I have seen this. As I > recall, I was chasing Paynes at the time, and failed to follow back on the > RGN's. Rowan is a red flag. JAmes? > > -----Original Message----- > From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Mitchell > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:02 PM > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > Good evening - Not to muddy the waters, but I have been a silent > observer for a number of years and would like to ask if anyone has > information on this person: > The James Ragan who married Sarah Gilliam, b. 7 Nov. 1751. His > father may have been Amos Ragan and mother Elizabeth Payne. I am > descended through their daughter Joan /Jane Ragens b. @1778/80 in > Rowan County. N.C. and died sometime between 1831/1834 along the > Cumberland Trail as they moved to Indiana. Joan/Jane Ragans married > Isaac Payne b. 1780, md. 21 Aug 1806 in Rowan County, N.C. bond given > for the bride by a Welborn, d. 1850/1865 in Monroe County, > Indiana. His burial place and exact death date are unknown to me at > this time. I am willing to share what documentation I have. Some > of which was furnished by Elizabeth Ragan. Children from Family > Bible were James Payne, b. 5 Aug 1807, probably in N.C. d. 13 Jan. > 1874 in Monroe Co., IN; Sarah Payne b. @ 1812 nothing more > known; Susannah Payne, b. 9 Apr. 1815 Rowan Co., N.C. d. 11 Oct. > 1895, Salt Creek Twn, Monroe Co., IN; Isaac Payne b. @1815 d. (date > of death on tombstone in Covenanter Cemetery, Perry Twn., Monroe Co., > IN (age about 30/35); Noah Payne b. 1817/1818 in N.C. (I have more > info on him and his family) > and my ancestor, Jesse Ragans Payne b. 22 Feb. 1820 in Rowan Co., > N.C. (he was 16 when is mother died on their way to Indiana), who > married Margaret Elizabeth Shook b. 25 Oct. 1825 in N.C., d. 28 May 1892. > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message for Ragan-Roots archives go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message for Ragan-Roots archives go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just thought...wasn't the Payne surname found in Surry or I of W VA? JW Garrett --------------------------------------- > From: jwgarrett@webtv.net > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:34:36 -0600 > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > > I have never seen Amos Regan. If James was b. 1748 his father Amos had to be born by 1727. > What do you know of this Amos Rgn...places, activities, and dates? > > JW Garrett > > > > > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:29:15 -0500 > > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > > From: pamitch@iquest.net > > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > > > Oops! James Ragans birth date should have been shown as 2 Dec 1748 > > and I have his parents as Amos Ragans and Elizabeth Payne. No > > documentation at this time. The father's name is probably correct > > but the it is tentative as to his wife. Does this help? > > > > > > At 01:44 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote: > > > > >I'm familiar with is James Rgn, but was he born 1751 or 1748? Or > > >was you referring to his wife Sarah born 1751. > > >I have been for yrs trying to idetify James's parents. > > > > > >JW Garrett > > >------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:02:25 -0500 > > > > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > > > > From: pamitch@iquest.net > > > > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > > > > > > > Good evening - Not to muddy the waters, but I have been a silent > > > > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have never seen Amos Regan. If James was b. 1748 his father Amos had to be born by 1727. What do you know of this Amos Rgn...places, activities, and dates? JW Garrett > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:29:15 -0500 > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > From: pamitch@iquest.net > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > Oops! James Ragans birth date should have been shown as 2 Dec 1748 > and I have his parents as Amos Ragans and Elizabeth Payne. No > documentation at this time. The father's name is probably correct > but the it is tentative as to his wife. Does this help? > > > At 01:44 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote: > > >I'm familiar with is James Rgn, but was he born 1751 or 1748? Or > >was you referring to his wife Sarah born 1751. > >I have been for yrs trying to idetify James's parents. > > > >JW Garrett > >------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:02:25 -0500 > > > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > > > From: pamitch@iquest.net > > > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > > > > > Good evening - Not to muddy the waters, but I have been a silent > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A couple of the early Rowan NC Rgns were Edward in 1761 & a John in 1762 & a Wm in 1768. Anyone know when James first appears in Rowan and from where? Or could he have been born in Rowan? JW Garrett > From: mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:41:52 -0500 > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > You folk are really going to make a poor sick woman crawl into a chilly > basement to dig out antediluvian stuff aren't you ? I have seen this. As I > recall, I was chasing Paynes at the time, and failed to follow back on the > RGN's. Rowan is a red flag. JAmes? > > -----Original Message----- > From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Mitchell > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:02 PM > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > Good evening - Not to muddy the waters, but I have been a silent > observer for a number of years and would like to ask if anyone has > information on this person: > The James Ragan who married Sarah Gilliam, b. 7 Nov. 1751. His > father may have been Amos Ragan and mother Elizabeth Payne. I am > descended through their daughter Joan /Jane Ragens b. @1778/80 in > Rowan County. N.C. and died sometime between 1831/1834 along the > Cumberland Trail as they moved to Indiana. Joan/Jane Ragans married > Isaac Payne b. 1780, md. 21 Aug 1806 in Rowan County, N.C. bond given > for the bride by a Welborn, d. 1850/1865 in Monroe County, > Indiana. His burial place and exact death date are unknown to me at > this time. I am willing to share what documentation I have. Some > of which was furnished by Elizabeth Ragan. Children from Family > Bible were James Payne, b. 5 Aug 1807, probably in N.C. d. 13 Jan. > 1874 in Monroe Co., IN; Sarah Payne b. @ 1812 nothing more > known; Susannah Payne, b. 9 Apr. 1815 Rowan Co., N.C. d. 11 Oct. > 1895, Salt Creek Twn, Monroe Co., IN; Isaac Payne b. @1815 d. (date > of death on tombstone in Covenanter Cemetery, Perry Twn., Monroe Co., > IN (age about 30/35); Noah Payne b. 1817/1818 in N.C. (I have more > info on him and his family) > and my ancestor, Jesse Ragans Payne b. 22 Feb. 1820 in Rowan Co., > N.C. (he was 16 when is mother died on their way to Indiana), who > married Margaret Elizabeth Shook b. 25 Oct. 1825 in N.C., d. 28 May 1892. > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm familiar with is James Rgn, but was he born 1751 or 1748? Or was you referring to his wife Sarah born 1751. I have been for yrs trying to idetify James's parents. JW Garrett ------------------------- > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:02:25 -0500 > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > From: pamitch@iquest.net > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 > > Good evening - Not to muddy the waters, but I have been a silent > observer for a number of years and would like to ask if anyone has > information on this person: > The James Ragan who married Sarah Gilliam, b. 7 Nov. 1751. His > father may have been Amos Ragan and mother Elizabeth Payne. I am > descended through their daughter Joan /Jane Ragens b. @1778/80 in > Rowan County. N.C. and died sometime between 1831/1834 along the > Cumberland Trail as they moved to Indiana. Joan/Jane Ragans married > Isaac Payne b. 1780, md. 21 Aug 1806 in Rowan County, N.C. bond given > for the bride by a Welborn, d. 1850/1865 in Monroe County, > Indiana. His burial place and exact death date are unknown to me at > this time. I am willing to share what documentation I have. Some > of which was furnished by Elizabeth Ragan. Children from Family > Bible were James Payne, b. 5 Aug 1807, probably in N.C. d. 13 Jan. > 1874 in Monroe Co., IN; Sarah Payne b. @ 1812 nothing more > known; Susannah Payne, b. 9 Apr. 1815 Rowan Co., N.C. d. 11 Oct. > 1895, Salt Creek Twn, Monroe Co., IN; Isaac Payne b. @1815 d. (date > of death on tombstone in Covenanter Cemetery, Perry Twn., Monroe Co., > IN (age about 30/35); Noah Payne b. 1817/1818 in N.C. (I have more > info on him and his family) > and my ancestor, Jesse Ragans Payne b. 22 Feb. 1820 in Rowan Co., > N.C. (he was 16 when is mother died on their way to Indiana), who > married Margaret Elizabeth Shook b. 25 Oct. 1825 in N.C., d. 28 May 1892. > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>n-roots>, > <mailto:ragan-roots-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Archive: ><http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots> > >Good evening - Not to muddy the waters, but I have been a silent >observer for a number of years and would like to ask if anyone has >information on this person: >The James Ragan who married Sarah Gilliam, b. 7 Nov. 1751. His >father may have been Amos Ragan and mother Elizabeth Payne. I am >descended through their daughter Joan /Jane Ragens b. @1778/80 in >Rowan County. N.C. and died sometime between 1831/1834 along the >Cumberland Trail as they moved to Indiana. Joan/Jane Ragans married >Isaac Payne b. 1780, md. 21 Aug 1806 in Rowan County, N.C. bond given >for the bride by a Welborn, d. 1850/1865 in Monroe County, >Indiana. His burial place and exact death date are unknown to me at >this time. I am willing to share what documentation I have. Some >of which was furnished by Elizabeth Ragan. Children from Family >Bible were James Payne, b. 5 Aug 1807, probably in N.C. d. 13 Jan. >1874 in Monroe Co., IN; Sarah Payne b. @ 1812 nothing more >known; Susannah Payne, b. 9 Apr. 1815 Rowan Co., N.C. d. 11 Oct. >1895, Salt Creek Twn, Monroe Co., IN; Isaac Payne b. @1815 d. (date >of death on tombstone in Covenanter Cemetery, Perry Twn., Monroe Co., >IN (age about 30/35); Noah Payne b. 1817/1818 in N.C. (I have more >info on him and his family) >and my ancestor, Jesse Ragans Payne b. 22 Feb. 1820 in Rowan Co., >N.C. (he was 16 when is mother died on their way to Indiana), who >married Margaret Elizabeth Shook b. 25 Oct. 1825 in N.C., d. 28 May 1892. > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You folk are really going to make a poor sick woman crawl into a chilly basement to dig out antediluvian stuff aren't you ? I have seen this. As I recall, I was chasing Paynes at the time, and failed to follow back on the RGN's. Rowan is a red flag. JAmes? -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:02 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] James Ragan b.7 Dec. 1748 Good evening - Not to muddy the waters, but I have been a silent observer for a number of years and would like to ask if anyone has information on this person: The James Ragan who married Sarah Gilliam, b. 7 Nov. 1751. His father may have been Amos Ragan and mother Elizabeth Payne. I am descended through their daughter Joan /Jane Ragens b. @1778/80 in Rowan County. N.C. and died sometime between 1831/1834 along the Cumberland Trail as they moved to Indiana. Joan/Jane Ragans married Isaac Payne b. 1780, md. 21 Aug 1806 in Rowan County, N.C. bond given for the bride by a Welborn, d. 1850/1865 in Monroe County, Indiana. His burial place and exact death date are unknown to me at this time. I am willing to share what documentation I have. Some of which was furnished by Elizabeth Ragan. Children from Family Bible were James Payne, b. 5 Aug 1807, probably in N.C. d. 13 Jan. 1874 in Monroe Co., IN; Sarah Payne b. @ 1812 nothing more known; Susannah Payne, b. 9 Apr. 1815 Rowan Co., N.C. d. 11 Oct. 1895, Salt Creek Twn, Monroe Co., IN; Isaac Payne b. @1815 d. (date of death on tombstone in Covenanter Cemetery, Perry Twn., Monroe Co., IN (age about 30/35); Noah Payne b. 1817/1818 in N.C. (I have more info on him and his family) and my ancestor, Jesse Ragans Payne b. 22 Feb. 1820 in Rowan Co., N.C. (he was 16 when is mother died on their way to Indiana), who married Margaret Elizabeth Shook b. 25 Oct. 1825 in N.C., d. 28 May 1892. for Ragan-Roots archives go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the Bridget in Overwharton who marries John Flitter is Bridget, the dau of Elizabeth Bridget and William. I get that she would be 11 for the birth of Winifred...if she was hers.... revolting by modern standards, but I have one other 11 year old that is heavily documented...??? Faintly possible... I do think the 1733 death is Wm Pow's wife Eliz Bridget...but, Bridget is not in the will...There is also Margaret who had a base born child and later married...there is the Mathew dead in 1716. He would have been 28 at his death and could have fit a few kids in before 1716. That would make the ladies a bit long in the tooth at marriage, but perhaps they were cross eyed or something...The Winnifred who married Oliver and names a kid Elisha rings all sorts of bells. Elisha Wood being a possible child of Joan Regan Wood...yeah, I know, John Wood leaves him in his "mother Margaret's care" blah! John also leaves Margaret and "her heirs" a lousey 50 acres when the man owned half a county. If harles2 was the father, and he died before 1716...we are in the same boat for the ladies being 30ish at marriage...not likely. The 1716 date is the start of the St Paul's Parish records. Of course, Charlie. could have lived elsewhere. I will say, we have not scrubbed the ground for siblings of JAmes such as nearby Dorchester MD, but let's keep going as we are and just acknowledge that there is another unidentified player/s in the mix as we leave MD for Stafford and then move out to NC. -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:12 AM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Charles Rgn b. 1692 As suggested there was likey a Charles who began having children by 1731 (Elizabeth) who was a 3rd Gen from James-1/Joan. IF this Charles was s/o Charles-2 b. 1692, the timeframe would not work. Given that Charles-2 was born 1692, his children would have been born no earlier than 1713. So if a Charles-3 was born say 1713 or 1714 this Charles-3 would not have children no earlier than 1734. So a 3rd gen Charles-3 (if son of Charles-2) would not work given that Elizabeth was b. 1731. But we do have Jemima & Jane who had to be born by 1728 given their marriage date of 1745 & 1746 respectively. Could these be Charles-2 daughters? But again there would be appox a 10-13 yr span from 1713 to abt 1726 depending when these girls were actually born. Charles-2 could have had other children born bet 1713 & 1728 that have not been found or recorded. Also the Winifred Rgn b. 1744 could not be the d/o Bridget b. 1733. Bidget would have only been 10 yrs old when she had Winifred. There was a Winifred & John Oliver whom had a daughter Elisha Oliver b. 1768. Could this Winifred be the Winifred Rgn b. 1744 md to an Oliver? Note that Jemima Rgn md a George Oliver in 1745. Also there was a Bridget Riggins (b. by 1738) who md a John Flitter 16 Mar 1755. to whom does she belong to? Is she the Bridget b. 1733? JW Garrett > From: mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:56:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Maryellen > > I don't believe John/Eliz. of JAmes/Joan ever left Charles Co MD, or any of > his left either. I think the Chapman chick married a Mathew, son of > John/Eliz2, James/Joan1 and the Mathew dead 1716 Stafford is Mathew2, > James/Joan1. I believe the Margaret, Jane, ( ?) I'm missing one...) in > Stafford belong either to this Mathew, or to Charles, of James,/Joan. I > think the Charles having kids in Stafford after 1731 is third generation. he > is a grandson of JAmes/Joan via Charles Sr. there are no St Paul's records > before 1716. Unless you can find me a Charles in MD or VA before 1716...he's > dead. There is none in MD. John has MAthew pop up in all the Chapman > stuff... then we have a later Wm and a John in nearby CAroline...I think > these are sons of MAthew, ...James1, John2, Mathew3 Mathew4 ( and John 4). > In fact, I think the 1752 sale is a grandson selling back to an uncle before > going.... where???? Do we have any loose MAthew's popping up after 1752? > > When John Wood III dies, we see 4 half sibs around the deathbed...two of > them male. This was in 1740.There is no guarantee that 4 half sibs was the > total # of kids John Regan had. There just happened to be 4 of them hanging > around the Wood death bed. The youngest of them could be absolutely no > younger than 13. The oldest could be no older than 25. Old enough to be off > on his own. So there may be a John here. However, this mythical 25 year old > would be 33 in 1748 when we need a John Sr and John Jr to witness the > Thompson deed in Surry. If we assume the John Jr and the John Sr are father > and son...which is not always true, then they cannot be the son and grandson > of John/Eliz2, James/Joan1... there isn't time for the younger to be older > than 13 and he could not have witnessed anything. Sigh. I don't like any of > the known men. What do we know of John the son of Joseph Sr??? Bro of Joseph > Jr...uncle to John, Ralph, Richard....How old would he be? Old enough to > have a son of age? > > Then there's Dan'l1, Francis2, Francis3, Joseph...do we have any kidlets for > him? He's about 15 estimated years older than John/Bell. What do we know of > his father ( Francis3, Francis2, Dan'l1)? Why do I have this Joseph's mother > and grandmother both listed as Jane????? Yeesh! If this Joseph had a brother > John we'd be rolling! > > John b. 1705 son of Francis2, Dan'l1 is my favorite candidate for > everything. I just like the cut of his jib. I hate to give him a son out of > whole cloth, but it's doable. I'd like to know mare about the sons we do > have... > > Just a thought I have been meaning to put out there.... Don't get carried > away by the Dan'ls in the line of Francis of Bute/Warren NC. Daniel was the > signature name for the Pegrams...and the Rgns married Pegrams like Cracker > Jack prizes.... Dan'l Pegram held the purse strings...so everybody had a > Dan'l. > > I do realize that in all logical likelihood, we are going to have to accept > the Dan'l of Surry VA and the James/Joan of Charles MD as one related > entity....but then the Daniel's of Isle of Wight have to come into the fold > also...they aren't going away. And Yeah...maybe, if we can drop the mythic > trash about Teigh Reigh and his kingship of Ireland...we may find connection > here also. Ya ever notice how every family Indian was a chief, and every > shamrock hugger was a king....LOL, M'ellen Horrigan > for Ragan-Roots archives go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message