I am going to make an observation that is worth precisely nothing...except that odd hints keep us going...I am out of MD and I bring with me a pack of Maddox folk who have this big string of Spencer Maddox's... just funny...M'ellen -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Allen Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:45 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] David Allen No apologies needed... I have located information and the grave sites of my great grandmother - Virginia Eliza Ragan Rector; my great great grandfather-Thomas Ragan; my great great great grandfather-John Ragan & his father Spencer Ragan who died in Morgan County, IL. (see below) I have nothing on Spencer's parents although I have always heard he was born in MD. I've been reading past postings, especially those linked to MD, with interest and I've been hoping to find a Ragan linked to a Spencer family. That's pure speculation but it seems that Spencer, also the given name of one of his grandsons, could be the name of a related family. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryellen Horrigan" <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] David Allen > David, my apologies...I'm dense. I made a copy of your note but didn't > really let it register. I buy my groceries probably next to the graves of > these folk...yeesh ! The Cincy traffic circle goes through 3 states... OH, > KY and IN. Campbell/Kenton, Boone etc are my backyard. Based on that, I > first go to the downtown Cincy library as it has a super 3 state > collection. > After I poke in that, we'll see what we might need to go after > specifically. > Covington is maybe 3 minutes from my bed, Ft Wright 10 minutes, Boone Co. > Courthouse 20 min. tops. Wed. for sure. Maryellen > > -----Original Message----- > From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Allen > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:56 PM > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Mssing researchers-Response to Maryellen > > Maryellen > > If you're that close to northern Kentucky, then perhaps you have > information > > on my Ragan line from southern Kenton (formerly Campbell) County. My > Ragans > lived in the Independence area and included: > > Spencer Ragan & Elizabeth Seymour (Spencer, his wife, his sons John & > David > & John's wife and her parents migrated from Fayette County KY in the early > 1800s to northern KY to Morgan County, IL where Spencer & his wife died) > John Ragan & Elizabeth Harris (John & his wife also came form Fayette > County > > KY but remained in northern KY where they are buried) > Thomas Ragan & Mary Ann McKenzie (buried in the Ragan Cemetery near > Demossville in southern Kenton County) > Virginia Eliza Ragan & John Samuel Rector (moved from the "country" in > Independence to Latonia KY; buried near the intersection of Moffett & > Rector > > Roads in southern Kenton County near US 25) > > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maryellen Horrigan" <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> > To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:47 PM > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] missing researchers > > >> Sorry folks, Court and I both abandoned you. Court has gone on a major >> detection search and chased down two William related items. He found an >> early researcher who actually communicated with the original author of >> the >> first digital Wm Powell Riggins database. It was revealed that, as >> expected, >> the Wilam David Riggins that dieds in Adair KY was a wild guess and not >> proven as the son of Wm Powell/Pricilla. And, he is NOT the father of >> Powell >> Riggins in SC...that was also assumed. This database is all over the net. >> It >> is false. >> >> I have a scan of the original William Powell Riggins will of 1770. I want >> you to experiment with the following...Write Powel...make the loop of the >> "P" really big and the stem really short.. then write the "w" very spread >> wide...write he "e" close to the single "l"...result? It looks like >> David...the "p" looks like a "d"...the "w" now looks like v i, and the >> e-l >> looks like a spacey "d"... a FL researcher sent me a Photostat of what >> she >> called the will of William David Rigin of 1770 NC. I could see her point. >> It >> could be read as William David. I have seen databases calling this the >> will >> of Wm David Riggin...but, there is an estate settlement that clearly >> states >> it is William Powell Riggins. Maryellen >> >> p.s. I can hit KY with a stick from my downtown Cincy home on the River. >> Next week I am camping out in one of the libraries to find out who died >> in >> Adair KY in 1820ish named William David Reggen. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No apologies needed... I have located information and the grave sites of my great grandmother - Virginia Eliza Ragan Rector; my great great grandfather-Thomas Ragan; my great great great grandfather-John Ragan & his father Spencer Ragan who died in Morgan County, IL. (see below) I have nothing on Spencer's parents although I have always heard he was born in MD. I've been reading past postings, especially those linked to MD, with interest and I've been hoping to find a Ragan linked to a Spencer family. That's pure speculation but it seems that Spencer, also the given name of one of his grandsons, could be the name of a related family. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryellen Horrigan" <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] David Allen > David, my apologies...I'm dense. I made a copy of your note but didn't > really let it register. I buy my groceries probably next to the graves of > these folk...yeesh ! The Cincy traffic circle goes through 3 states... OH, > KY and IN. Campbell/Kenton, Boone etc are my backyard. Based on that, I > first go to the downtown Cincy library as it has a super 3 state > collection. > After I poke in that, we'll see what we might need to go after > specifically. > Covington is maybe 3 minutes from my bed, Ft Wright 10 minutes, Boone Co. > Courthouse 20 min. tops. Wed. for sure. Maryellen > > -----Original Message----- > From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Allen > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:56 PM > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Mssing researchers-Response to Maryellen > > Maryellen > > If you're that close to northern Kentucky, then perhaps you have > information > > on my Ragan line from southern Kenton (formerly Campbell) County. My > Ragans > lived in the Independence area and included: > > Spencer Ragan & Elizabeth Seymour (Spencer, his wife, his sons John & > David > & John's wife and her parents migrated from Fayette County KY in the early > 1800s to northern KY to Morgan County, IL where Spencer & his wife died) > John Ragan & Elizabeth Harris (John & his wife also came form Fayette > County > > KY but remained in northern KY where they are buried) > Thomas Ragan & Mary Ann McKenzie (buried in the Ragan Cemetery near > Demossville in southern Kenton County) > Virginia Eliza Ragan & John Samuel Rector (moved from the "country" in > Independence to Latonia KY; buried near the intersection of Moffett & > Rector > > Roads in southern Kenton County near US 25) > > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maryellen Horrigan" <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> > To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:47 PM > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] missing researchers > > >> Sorry folks, Court and I both abandoned you. Court has gone on a major >> detection search and chased down two William related items. He found an >> early researcher who actually communicated with the original author of >> the >> first digital Wm Powell Riggins database. It was revealed that, as >> expected, >> the Wilam David Riggins that dieds in Adair KY was a wild guess and not >> proven as the son of Wm Powell/Pricilla. And, he is NOT the father of >> Powell >> Riggins in SC...that was also assumed. This database is all over the net. >> It >> is false. >> >> I have a scan of the original William Powell Riggins will of 1770. I want >> you to experiment with the following...Write Powel...make the loop of the >> "P" really big and the stem really short.. then write the "w" very spread >> wide...write he "e" close to the single "l"...result? It looks like >> David...the "p" looks like a "d"...the "w" now looks like v i, and the >> e-l >> looks like a spacey "d"... a FL researcher sent me a Photostat of what >> she >> called the will of William David Rigin of 1770 NC. I could see her point. >> It >> could be read as William David. I have seen databases calling this the >> will >> of Wm David Riggin...but, there is an estate settlement that clearly >> states >> it is William Powell Riggins. Maryellen >> >> p.s. I can hit KY with a stick from my downtown Cincy home on the River. >> Next week I am camping out in one of the libraries to find out who died >> in >> Adair KY in 1820ish named William David Reggen. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes sir it was outstanding! Thanks for sharing it. I have studied a family in the 1830's on my Riggin line and saw a lot of this happen in that family. At 10:31 PM 9/23/2007, you wrote: >Mr Royall, >You certainly presented some ineresting info. >Thanks > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Charles Royall >Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:01 PM >To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Widows, Cousins and Marriages > >An Insight into marriage and divorce > > From the mid 1800's to 1950's divorce was a disgrace and most women >classified thier selves as a "widow" in all records. You will see this a >lot in census records especially. > >I have found this many times when the ex husband was still living and >had remarried. > >If there was a divorce in any family all persons in that family were >forbidden to ever mention it to anyone. > >After the Civil War the men all had to walk home from wherever they were >when the war ended. Many never returned to thier families but stopped >along the way and married a war widow that owned a farm. The wife at >home just assumed that he had been killed in the war. > >The ONLY grounds for divorce was infidelity and that had to be proven in >public court. That did not change until the early 1950's. > >In most cases a woman never sued for divorce. It was usually always the >husband. He would get one of his a buddies to testify that that he (the >buddy) had been engaged with the mans wife in adultery. Saw a lot of >those lies with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears many times. > >It always took a full year to get a divorce before it was final. Plus >they had to be a resident of the county in which it was filed for 1 year >before applying for the divorce. During that time if they ever spent 1 >night together they were considered to be reconciled and had to start >the time thing all over again. > >The only place that was an exception to these rules was Reno NV. Instant >divorces for any reason or no reason. Did not have to be a resident of >the state except for 10 days prior to filing. It was what put Reno on >the map, not gambling as many would think. It was the divorce capitol of >the entire world. There was a tradition that the newly divorced women >would throw thier wedding ring off of the river bridge where there were >folks waiting under the bridge to recover them and sell them. > >Many men never divorced but just moved off and remarried. There was no >way to track down persons then like we can do today. > >Also the marrying of 1st cousins was not unusual either. I have 5 >persons in my Royall line that married other Royall's that were 1st cousins. > >I have a half dozen or so of women in my line some as recent as the >1960's that married the brother of thier husbands. This goes all the way >back to Old Testament Days when such things were expected and demanded. > >In our modern mind it seems strange but it really was not in thier day. >A woman could not live with out a husband. There was no employment for >women or support for thier children, also no insurance either. > >If a person had no support they were committed to the county poor farm >as an inmate and could not leave it. They were worked as slave labor in >the fields of the farm. They stayed there until they died, then they >were buried on the poor farm property in unmarked graves. > >Also another divorce oddity, if a man was ordered to pay alimony in any >state all he had to do to get out of it was to move to Texas. He did not >have to pay it in Texas as it was illegal there and Texas would not send >him back for trial to another state. In fact the local Police would go >and warn the guy to not leave Texas because a arrest warrant had been >issued for non payment of alimony. > >Also the couple must mail in the marriage certificate after the >marriage. The county would record it then mail it back to them. If the >man never mailed it in, it was never recorded and the "wife" THOUGHT >they were married, when in fact they were not, even though she had a >marriage certificate that said so. > >There are still some main stream churches that recognize divorce only on >grounds of adultery. > >Rev Fr. Charlie Royall >A life long Historian of 70 years. > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, my apologies...I'm dense. I made a copy of your note but didn't really let it register. I buy my groceries probably next to the graves of these folk...yeesh ! The Cincy traffic circle goes through 3 states... OH, KY and IN. Campbell/Kenton, Boone etc are my backyard. Based on that, I first go to the downtown Cincy library as it has a super 3 state collection. After I poke in that, we'll see what we might need to go after specifically. Covington is maybe 3 minutes from my bed, Ft Wright 10 minutes, Boone Co. Courthouse 20 min. tops. Wed. for sure. Maryellen -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Allen Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:56 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Mssing researchers-Response to Maryellen Maryellen If you're that close to northern Kentucky, then perhaps you have information on my Ragan line from southern Kenton (formerly Campbell) County. My Ragans lived in the Independence area and included: Spencer Ragan & Elizabeth Seymour (Spencer, his wife, his sons John & David & John's wife and her parents migrated from Fayette County KY in the early 1800s to northern KY to Morgan County, IL where Spencer & his wife died) John Ragan & Elizabeth Harris (John & his wife also came form Fayette County KY but remained in northern KY where they are buried) Thomas Ragan & Mary Ann McKenzie (buried in the Ragan Cemetery near Demossville in southern Kenton County) Virginia Eliza Ragan & John Samuel Rector (moved from the "country" in Independence to Latonia KY; buried near the intersection of Moffett & Rector Roads in southern Kenton County near US 25) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryellen Horrigan" <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] missing researchers > Sorry folks, Court and I both abandoned you. Court has gone on a major > detection search and chased down two William related items. He found an > early researcher who actually communicated with the original author of the > first digital Wm Powell Riggins database. It was revealed that, as > expected, > the Wilam David Riggins that dieds in Adair KY was a wild guess and not > proven as the son of Wm Powell/Pricilla. And, he is NOT the father of > Powell > Riggins in SC...that was also assumed. This database is all over the net. > It > is false. > > I have a scan of the original William Powell Riggins will of 1770. I want > you to experiment with the following...Write Powel...make the loop of the > "P" really big and the stem really short.. then write the "w" very spread > wide...write he "e" close to the single "l"...result? It looks like > David...the "p" looks like a "d"...the "w" now looks like v i, and the e-l > looks like a spacey "d"... a FL researcher sent me a Photostat of what she > called the will of William David Rigin of 1770 NC. I could see her point. > It > could be read as William David. I have seen databases calling this the > will > of Wm David Riggin...but, there is an estate settlement that clearly > states > it is William Powell Riggins. Maryellen > > p.s. I can hit KY with a stick from my downtown Cincy home on the River. > Next week I am camping out in one of the libraries to find out who died in > Adair KY in 1820ish named William David Reggen. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maryellen, I'm not familiar with any Lindsays in Sevier Co., TN. However, my Peter Regan Sr who md Rebecca Lindsay (in Bute NC abt 1770) moved to Overton Co., TN abt 1816/18 from Wilkes NC. Also there were Regans of early Green/Blount/Sevier Counties of TN in very early 1800s. One of them is Henry Reagan b 1762 from Blount TN. He settled in Overton before Peter Regan showed up in Overton. -----Original Message----- From: Maryellen Horrigan Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:18 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Isabel Lindsey Durham James, do you have a Hulda Lindsey I Sevier Co TN?... if so, she's mine. I have a whole pack of Lindsey researchers in AL that I've pretty well bee ignoring, except that one f them married in Sevier TN to a Crowson. He's mine too. -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:38 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Isabel Lindsey Durham Thanks Maryellen for he info. Intereting that Lindays & Durhams were connected in Hanover VA & in Granville NC the earliest Lindsay I find is Joseph Lindsay in 1750. The earliest Durham I find in Bute NC is William & Samuel in 1769. Do you have earlier dates for Durhams in Granville or Bute? I wonder if there were any Regans in Hanover VA in early 1700s. -----Original Message----- From: Maryellen Horrigan Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:47 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Isabel Lindsey Durham Have you seen this ... I was googling Samuel Durham to see what documentation I could find....I thin a Lindsey is yours...just interesting...MCH Name: Samuel Davis DURHAM Sex: M Birth: 1755 in Hanover County, Virginia Birth: 1755 Death: 1801 Note: Enlisted in Washington's Army and fought five years. His pension application is filed in the National Archives in Washington No. W 7053, wife listed as Isabel. Samuel was engaged to marry Esbal at the outbreak of the war but Jeremiah Lindsey said he objected to his daughter marrying a soldier so they waited untilt he war was over. Isabel always said that the Lindsey's were Tories and that Jeremiah said his daughter would marry no rebel and that Samuel replied that after he came home from the service all would be rebels. Jeremiah told him that in that unlikely event he would give his consent for their marriage. In Administration Book E, page 173, Greene county, Georgia, shows date of January 11, 1802, Isabellah Durham and Abraham Durham applied for letters of Administration on the estate of Samuel Durham, deceased. February 18, 18-02, Letters of Administration granted. Marriage Bond of Samuel Durham, Batchellor and Miss Isbell Lindsey in the County of Hanover. Bound unto his Excellency Thos. Nelson Junior Esq., Governor of commonwealth of Virginia, 10th day of September 1781 War Department records (far from complete) show in the Adjutant General's Office, Washington, d.D. that Samuel Durham served in the War of the Revolution as a private in Captain Richard Call's Troop, 1st Regiment Light Dragoon's Continental troops, also known as 1st Regiment Virginia Light Dragoons, commanded by Theodorick Bland. The records indicate he enlisted February 14, 1778 to serve three years and his name last appears on that company's master role for November 1778. Samuel came home latter part of 1781. Isabel said he had been gone five years, making his first enlistment in 1777. Application of Isabel Durham for pension of Certain Widows: State of Georgia Green County On this 21st day of May 1845 before me the Subscriber a Justice of the Superior Court in and for the said county the same being a court of record personally appeared Isabel Durham a resident of said county and state aged eighty five years past who being first duly sworn according to law doth on her oath make the following Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress passed on the 7th of July 1838--entitled an Act granting half pay and provisions to certain widows, that she is the widow of Samuel Davis Durham commonly called Samuel Durham who resided in Hanover County, State of Virginia and enlisted at the commencement of the War of the Revolution for the Term of two years on the Virginia Continental Line and faithfully served out the term of his enlistment as private of Infantry and before he returned home enlisted for the Term of three years in a troop of Horse and faithfully served out his Term of enlistment as a private of Cavalry in the State troop in Continental Line in Virginia was at the Battle of Brandywine--Bunkerhill and others and while in Service marched as far South as Savannah, Georgia; That she does not make the foregoing statements of her own knowledge but speaks from hearsay and her present recollection. The name of the Corps and Regiment in which the said Samuel served not recollected at this late period even from hearsay; That she was aquainited with the said Samuel prior to his first enlistment and was engaged to be married on his return from Service. He again enlisted for a second term which he faithfully served out and received an honorable discharge and returned home in the latter part of the year 1781 which was the first time that she saw him from the timie that he first entered the Service, foresaid making five years that he was private and served in the Virginia Continental Line in State troops. That she knows of no person living who could give the name of the Corps or Regiment in which the said Samuel served or that could give a narrative of his Service or their own knowledge. That she has no documentary evidence showing the service of said Samuel. That the same Samuel D. Durham died on the 27th day of December Eighteen hundred and One in Green County, State of Georgia, and at the time and after his death the deponent had his discharges in her possession and that some 30 years since she gave up her house and home and resided among her children when all her papers went into the possession of her daughter, afterwards into the possession of her brother-in-law who moved to the State of Alabama and died and she is unable to learn anything of the discharges aforesaid and deponent further declares that she was legally married to the said Samuel D. Durham soon after he returned from the Service aforesaid to wit in the latter part of the year seventeen hundred and eighty-one. That she has no family registry in her possession, her family Bible was delivered with the other papers and is gone from her knowledge, but that she was legally married in Hanover County, State of Virginia and moved from there to Georgia Green County where her husband died on the day aforesaid. That she has remained a widow ever since the period of her husbands death. That she was not married prior to her husbands last service but was married prior to the 1st day of January 1794. Isabel Durham Sworn to and subscribed on the day and year first written before me a Justice of the Inferior Court, County of Green, State of Georgia,May a.d. 1845. J. R. Hall JIC JP Father: Abram DURHAM b: in Durham County, England Mother: ANNE Marriage 1 Isabel LINDSEY Children Lindsey DURHAM b: 22 NOV 1789 -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:28 AM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] oddities to share Maryellen, I regards to Joseph b. 1710 s/o Francis Jr, I do NOT have any additional info pertaining to him. I am only speculating that he could be a possible anditate as the fathr ofboth John & Fracis since we know nothing more of him. Regarding Daniels mother Ann Noyall I do not have a copy of her will. From what you are saying Ann had a SISTER Martha Noyall who supposedly took the two orphans of Ann. Then in Daniel's wil he mentions his uncle William Noyall. Since William was a "Noyall" he wouldn't marry another "Noyall", namely Martha Noyall. We know Martha is a "Noyall" because she is a SISTER to Ann Noyall. So it appears that Ann Noyall had a sister Martha & a brother William. Sorry I am no help on this one, but I agree that women not married could not be guardians and in the case of Ann & her children it does NOT make since that her sister Martha is named as guardian. In regards to Jane Gross, WHEN did her father, Richard leave her his inheritance? Did Richards will give a last name of Jane? According to source Francis & Jane married either in 1682 or abt 1689/90, depending upon the birth dates of their children. Was Joseph Sr the eldest child b. 1683 or 1690 as source indicates? If we knew the correct marriage date & if Jane received the inheritance before the correct marriage date, then likely she was married before. And lastly, unfortunatley, I know very little abt the Durham & the Shearin connection with the Regans. My focus is primarily on Peter Regan & wife Rebecca Lindsay, trying to identify Peters father. I have yet to connect with any Durhams or Shearins in Peters line of decendants. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mr Royall, You certainly presented some ineresting info. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Charles Royall Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:01 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Widows, Cousins and Marriages An Insight into marriage and divorce From the mid 1800's to 1950's divorce was a disgrace and most women classified thier selves as a "widow" in all records. You will see this a lot in census records especially. I have found this many times when the ex husband was still living and had remarried. If there was a divorce in any family all persons in that family were forbidden to ever mention it to anyone. After the Civil War the men all had to walk home from wherever they were when the war ended. Many never returned to thier families but stopped along the way and married a war widow that owned a farm. The wife at home just assumed that he had been killed in the war. The ONLY grounds for divorce was infidelity and that had to be proven in public court. That did not change until the early 1950's. In most cases a woman never sued for divorce. It was usually always the husband. He would get one of his a buddies to testify that that he (the buddy) had been engaged with the mans wife in adultery. Saw a lot of those lies with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears many times. It always took a full year to get a divorce before it was final. Plus they had to be a resident of the county in which it was filed for 1 year before applying for the divorce. During that time if they ever spent 1 night together they were considered to be reconciled and had to start the time thing all over again. The only place that was an exception to these rules was Reno NV. Instant divorces for any reason or no reason. Did not have to be a resident of the state except for 10 days prior to filing. It was what put Reno on the map, not gambling as many would think. It was the divorce capitol of the entire world. There was a tradition that the newly divorced women would throw thier wedding ring off of the river bridge where there were folks waiting under the bridge to recover them and sell them. Many men never divorced but just moved off and remarried. There was no way to track down persons then like we can do today. Also the marrying of 1st cousins was not unusual either. I have 5 persons in my Royall line that married other Royall's that were 1st cousins. I have a half dozen or so of women in my line some as recent as the 1960's that married the brother of thier husbands. This goes all the way back to Old Testament Days when such things were expected and demanded. In our modern mind it seems strange but it really was not in thier day. A woman could not live with out a husband. There was no employment for women or support for thier children, also no insurance either. If a person had no support they were committed to the county poor farm as an inmate and could not leave it. They were worked as slave labor in the fields of the farm. They stayed there until they died, then they were buried on the poor farm property in unmarked graves. Also another divorce oddity, if a man was ordered to pay alimony in any state all he had to do to get out of it was to move to Texas. He did not have to pay it in Texas as it was illegal there and Texas would not send him back for trial to another state. In fact the local Police would go and warn the guy to not leave Texas because a arrest warrant had been issued for non payment of alimony. Also the couple must mail in the marriage certificate after the marriage. The county would record it then mail it back to them. If the man never mailed it in, it was never recorded and the "wife" THOUGHT they were married, when in fact they were not, even though she had a marriage certificate that said so. There are still some main stream churches that recognize divorce only on grounds of adultery. Rev Fr. Charlie Royall A life long Historian of 70 years. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Maryellen for he info. Intereting that Lindays & Durhams were connected in Hanover VA & in Granville NC the earliest Lindsay I find is Joseph Lindsay in 1750. The earliest Durham I find in Bute NC is William & Samuel in 1769. Do you have earlier dates for Durhams in Granville or Bute? I wonder if there were any Regans in Hanover VA in early 1700s. -----Original Message----- From: Maryellen Horrigan Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:47 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Isabel Lindsey Durham Have you seen this ... I was googling Samuel Durham to see what documentation I could find....I thin a Lindsey is yours...just interesting...MCH Name: Samuel Davis DURHAM Sex: M Birth: 1755 in Hanover County, Virginia Birth: 1755 Death: 1801 Note: Enlisted in Washington's Army and fought five years. His pension application is filed in the National Archives in Washington No. W 7053, wife listed as Isabel. Samuel was engaged to marry Esbal at the outbreak of the war but Jeremiah Lindsey said he objected to his daughter marrying a soldier so they waited untilt he war was over. Isabel always said that the Lindsey's were Tories and that Jeremiah said his daughter would marry no rebel and that Samuel replied that after he came home from the service all would be rebels. Jeremiah told him that in that unlikely event he would give his consent for their marriage. In Administration Book E, page 173, Greene county, Georgia, shows date of January 11, 1802, Isabellah Durham and Abraham Durham applied for letters of Administration on the estate of Samuel Durham, deceased. February 18, 18-02, Letters of Administration granted. Marriage Bond of Samuel Durham, Batchellor and Miss Isbell Lindsey in the County of Hanover. Bound unto his Excellency Thos. Nelson Junior Esq., Governor of commonwealth of Virginia, 10th day of September 1781 War Department records (far from complete) show in the Adjutant General's Office, Washington, d.D. that Samuel Durham served in the War of the Revolution as a private in Captain Richard Call's Troop, 1st Regiment Light Dragoon's Continental troops, also known as 1st Regiment Virginia Light Dragoons, commanded by Theodorick Bland. The records indicate he enlisted February 14, 1778 to serve three years and his name last appears on that company's master role for November 1778. Samuel came home latter part of 1781. Isabel said he had been gone five years, making his first enlistment in 1777. Application of Isabel Durham for pension of Certain Widows: State of Georgia Green County On this 21st day of May 1845 before me the Subscriber a Justice of the Superior Court in and for the said county the same being a court of record personally appeared Isabel Durham a resident of said county and state aged eighty five years past who being first duly sworn according to law doth on her oath make the following Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress passed on the 7th of July 1838--entitled an Act granting half pay and provisions to certain widows, that she is the widow of Samuel Davis Durham commonly called Samuel Durham who resided in Hanover County, State of Virginia and enlisted at the commencement of the War of the Revolution for the Term of two years on the Virginia Continental Line and faithfully served out the term of his enlistment as private of Infantry and before he returned home enlisted for the Term of three years in a troop of Horse and faithfully served out his Term of enlistment as a private of Cavalry in the State troop in Continental Line in Virginia was at the Battle of Brandywine--Bunkerhill and others and while in Service marched as far South as Savannah, Georgia; That she does not make the foregoing statements of her own knowledge but speaks from hearsay and her present recollection. The name of the Corps and Regiment in which the said Samuel served not recollected at this late period even from hearsay; That she was aquainited with the said Samuel prior to his first enlistment and was engaged to be married on his return from Service. He again enlisted for a second term which he faithfully served out and received an honorable discharge and returned home in the latter part of the year 1781 which was the first time that she saw him from the timie that he first entered the Service, foresaid making five years that he was private and served in the Virginia Continental Line in State troops. That she knows of no person living who could give the name of the Corps or Regiment in which the said Samuel served or that could give a narrative of his Service or their own knowledge. That she has no documentary evidence showing the service of said Samuel. That the same Samuel D. Durham died on the 27th day of December Eighteen hundred and One in Green County, State of Georgia, and at the time and after his death the deponent had his discharges in her possession and that some 30 years since she gave up her house and home and resided among her children when all her papers went into the possession of her daughter, afterwards into the possession of her brother-in-law who moved to the State of Alabama and died and she is unable to learn anything of the discharges aforesaid and deponent further declares that she was legally married to the said Samuel D. Durham soon after he returned from the Service aforesaid to wit in the latter part of the year seventeen hundred and eighty-one. That she has no family registry in her possession, her family Bible was delivered with the other papers and is gone from her knowledge, but that she was legally married in Hanover County, State of Virginia and moved from there to Georgia Green County where her husband died on the day aforesaid. That she has remained a widow ever since the period of her husbands death. That she was not married prior to her husbands last service but was married prior to the 1st day of January 1794. Isabel Durham Sworn to and subscribed on the day and year first written before me a Justice of the Inferior Court, County of Green, State of Georgia,May a.d. 1845. J. R. Hall JIC JP Father: Abram DURHAM b: in Durham County, England Mother: ANNE Marriage 1 Isabel LINDSEY Children Lindsey DURHAM b: 22 NOV 1789 -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:28 AM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] oddities to share Maryellen, I regards to Joseph b. 1710 s/o Francis Jr, I do NOT have any additional info pertaining to him. I am only speculating that he could be a possible anditate as the fathr ofboth John & Fracis since we know nothing more of him. Regarding Daniels mother Ann Noyall I do not have a copy of her will. From what you are saying Ann had a SISTER Martha Noyall who supposedly took the two orphans of Ann. Then in Daniel's wil he mentions his uncle William Noyall. Since William was a "Noyall" he wouldn't marry another "Noyall", namely Martha Noyall. We know Martha is a "Noyall" because she is a SISTER to Ann Noyall. So it appears that Ann Noyall had a sister Martha & a brother William. Sorry I am no help on this one, but I agree that women not married could not be guardians and in the case of Ann & her children it does NOT make since that her sister Martha is named as guardian. In regards to Jane Gross, WHEN did her father, Richard leave her his inheritance? Did Richards will give a last name of Jane? According to source Francis & Jane married either in 1682 or abt 1689/90, depending upon the birth dates of their children. Was Joseph Sr the eldest child b. 1683 or 1690 as source indicates? If we knew the correct marriage date & if Jane received the inheritance before the correct marriage date, then likely she was married before. And lastly, unfortunatley, I know very little abt the Durham & the Shearin connection with the Regans. My focus is primarily on Peter Regan & wife Rebecca Lindsay, trying to identify Peters father. I have yet to connect with any Durhams or Shearins in Peters line of decendants. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maryellen, Looks as though Jane was married to a Regan before she remarried to Francis Regan sometime after Feb 1696. Perhaps that is the reason why the source is unsure of Jane Gross' marriage date to Francis Regan - 1683 or 1690 or 1696? I am wondering if Feb 1696 was actually Feb 1690? The "0" mistaken for a "6"? Then perhaps she married Francis Regan sometime after Feb 1690 & had her children with Francis. I also note the source says she married possibly in 1683. Perhaps she was married previously to another Regan & this unknown Regan died bef 1696 or "1690"? What is interesting that there was a Peter Regan in Surry VA in 1712 & 1718 whom I cannot identify. Could he be a son of Janes from a previous marriage? Also a Michael Ragan received land in 1729 in I of W. Cannot connect him to anyone either. Of course they coluld be sons of John or Jeremiah Regan whom we know little of. John is in New Kent in 1697 & Jeremiah in Surry in 1699. Jane could not have been married to Francis' brothers John or Jeremiah. They are still alive after 1690 or 1696. Would she be considered as a "widow" if she was divorced? -----Original Message----- From: Maryellen Horrigan Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 2:42 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Jane Regan NC and Ann N Rigan VA I believe Martha was a Noyal because she was already married to William and Rebecca was their daughter. Only married Martha gets the kids, and from the will of Daniel II...she speculatively got the kids. Daniel II 's sister Patience is mentioned in Dan II's will as having married an unk Shivers. Re Jane Gross Regan, she is marked s a widow in 1696. Something is wrong here, as Francis does not die until 1727: In the afore mentioned 17th Century Isle of Wight book in the section titled Deed Book I p. 630 and 631: " Gov. Berkeley granted Richard Gross 200 acres which escheated and belongs to the said Gross. Jane Rigan, als Jane Gross, widow dau and sole heir of Richard Gross,dec.for 5000 lbs tbco sell to Nicholas Casey 9 Feb. 1696 Richd. Wilkison, James Tullaugh." "Wm Berkeley grants to Richard Gross 200 acres which was patented 12 Sept 1662 and found to escheat, 7 Sept 1670. Pat dated 6 April 1671. Jane Regan, als Jane Gross, widow, dau. and sole heir of Richard assigns her right to Nicholas Casey 9 Feb, 1696. Jas Tullaugh. Rich Wilkinson, Rich. Reynolds".p. 630-31 -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:28 AM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] oddities to share Maryellen, I regards to Joseph b. 1710 s/o Francis Jr, I do NOT have any additional info pertaining to him. I am only speculating that he could be a possible anditate as the fathr ofboth John & Fracis since we know nothing more of him. Regarding Daniels mother Ann Noyall I do not have a copy of her will. From what you are saying Ann had a SISTER Martha Noyall who supposedly took the two orphans of Ann. Then in Daniel's wil he mentions his uncle William Noyall. Since William was a "Noyall" he wouldn't marry another "Noyall", namely Martha Noyall. We know Martha is a "Noyall" because she is a SISTER to Ann Noyall. So it appears that Ann Noyall had a sister Martha & a brother William. Sorry I am no help on this one, but I agree that women not married could not be guardians and in the case of Ann & her children it does NOT make since that her sister Martha is named as guardian. In regards to Jane Gross, WHEN did her father, Richard leave her his inheritance? Did Richards will give a last name of Jane? According to source Francis & Jane married either in 1682 or abt 1689/90, depending upon the birth dates of their children. Was Joseph Sr the eldest child b. 1683 or 1690 as source indicates? If we knew the correct marriage date & if Jane received the inheritance before the correct marriage date, then likely she was married before. And lastly, unfortunatley, I know very little abt the Durham & the Shearin connection with the Regans. My focus is primarily on Peter Regan & wife Rebecca Lindsay, trying to identify Peters father. I have yet to connect with any Durhams or Shearins in Peters line of decendants. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James, this is weird, because you have me looking for Lindseys, I just linked my Littleton Riggins' second wife, Nancy Crowson to the Crowsons of TN (Hulda Lindsey married Richard Crowson) and before that MD wherein Comfort Littleton marred William Crowson in Accomack VA.( They slipped into MD later) Just like falling off a log. I've only been staring at them for 30 years or so...thanks! MCH -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maryellen Horrigan Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:19 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Isabel Lindsey Durham James, do you have a Hulda Lindsey I Sevier Co TN?... if so, she's mine. I have a whole pack of Lindsey researchers in AL that I've pretty well bee ignoring, except that one f them married in Sevier TN to a Crowson. He's mine too. -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:38 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Isabel Lindsey Durham Thanks Maryellen for he info. Intereting that Lindays & Durhams were connected in Hanover VA & in Granville NC the earliest Lindsay I find is Joseph Lindsay in 1750. The earliest Durham I find in Bute NC is William & Samuel in 1769. Do you have earlier dates for Durhams in Granville or Bute? I wonder if there were any Regans in Hanover VA in early 1700s. -----Original Message----- From: Maryellen Horrigan Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:47 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Isabel Lindsey Durham Have you seen this ... I was googling Samuel Durham to see what documentation I could find....I thin a Lindsey is yours...just interesting...MCH Name: Samuel Davis DURHAM Sex: M Birth: 1755 in Hanover County, Virginia Birth: 1755 Death: 1801 Note: Enlisted in Washington's Army and fought five years. His pension application is filed in the National Archives in Washington No. W 7053, wife listed as Isabel. Samuel was engaged to marry Esbal at the outbreak of the war but Jeremiah Lindsey said he objected to his daughter marrying a soldier so they waited untilt he war was over. Isabel always said that the Lindsey's were Tories and that Jeremiah said his daughter would marry no rebel and that Samuel replied that after he came home from the service all would be rebels. Jeremiah told him that in that unlikely event he would give his consent for their marriage. In Administration Book E, page 173, Greene county, Georgia, shows date of January 11, 1802, Isabellah Durham and Abraham Durham applied for letters of Administration on the estate of Samuel Durham, deceased. February 18, 18-02, Letters of Administration granted. Marriage Bond of Samuel Durham, Batchellor and Miss Isbell Lindsey in the County of Hanover. Bound unto his Excellency Thos. Nelson Junior Esq., Governor of commonwealth of Virginia, 10th day of September 1781 War Department records (far from complete) show in the Adjutant General's Office, Washington, d.D. that Samuel Durham served in the War of the Revolution as a private in Captain Richard Call's Troop, 1st Regiment Light Dragoon's Continental troops, also known as 1st Regiment Virginia Light Dragoons, commanded by Theodorick Bland. The records indicate he enlisted February 14, 1778 to serve three years and his name last appears on that company's master role for November 1778. Samuel came home latter part of 1781. Isabel said he had been gone five years, making his first enlistment in 1777. Application of Isabel Durham for pension of Certain Widows: State of Georgia Green County On this 21st day of May 1845 before me the Subscriber a Justice of the Superior Court in and for the said county the same being a court of record personally appeared Isabel Durham a resident of said county and state aged eighty five years past who being first duly sworn according to law doth on her oath make the following Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress passed on the 7th of July 1838--entitled an Act granting half pay and provisions to certain widows, that she is the widow of Samuel Davis Durham commonly called Samuel Durham who resided in Hanover County, State of Virginia and enlisted at the commencement of the War of the Revolution for the Term of two years on the Virginia Continental Line and faithfully served out the term of his enlistment as private of Infantry and before he returned home enlisted for the Term of three years in a troop of Horse and faithfully served out his Term of enlistment as a private of Cavalry in the State troop in Continental Line in Virginia was at the Battle of Brandywine--Bunkerhill and others and while in Service marched as far South as Savannah, Georgia; That she does not make the foregoing statements of her own knowledge but speaks from hearsay and her present recollection. The name of the Corps and Regiment in which the said Samuel served not recollected at this late period even from hearsay; That she was aquainited with the said Samuel prior to his first enlistment and was engaged to be married on his return from Service. He again enlisted for a second term which he faithfully served out and received an honorable discharge and returned home in the latter part of the year 1781 which was the first time that she saw him from the timie that he first entered the Service, foresaid making five years that he was private and served in the Virginia Continental Line in State troops. That she knows of no person living who could give the name of the Corps or Regiment in which the said Samuel served or that could give a narrative of his Service or their own knowledge. That she has no documentary evidence showing the service of said Samuel. That the same Samuel D. Durham died on the 27th day of December Eighteen hundred and One in Green County, State of Georgia, and at the time and after his death the deponent had his discharges in her possession and that some 30 years since she gave up her house and home and resided among her children when all her papers went into the possession of her daughter, afterwards into the possession of her brother-in-law who moved to the State of Alabama and died and she is unable to learn anything of the discharges aforesaid and deponent further declares that she was legally married to the said Samuel D. Durham soon after he returned from the Service aforesaid to wit in the latter part of the year seventeen hundred and eighty-one. That she has no family registry in her possession, her family Bible was delivered with the other papers and is gone from her knowledge, but that she was legally married in Hanover County, State of Virginia and moved from there to Georgia Green County where her husband died on the day aforesaid. That she has remained a widow ever since the period of her husbands death. That she was not married prior to her husbands last service but was married prior to the 1st day of January 1794. Isabel Durham Sworn to and subscribed on the day and year first written before me a Justice of the Inferior Court, County of Green, State of Georgia,May a.d. 1845. J. R. Hall JIC JP Father: Abram DURHAM b: in Durham County, England Mother: ANNE Marriage 1 Isabel LINDSEY Children Lindsey DURHAM b: 22 NOV 1789 -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:28 AM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] oddities to share Maryellen, I regards to Joseph b. 1710 s/o Francis Jr, I do NOT have any additional info pertaining to him. I am only speculating that he could be a possible anditate as the fathr ofboth John & Fracis since we know nothing more of him. Regarding Daniels mother Ann Noyall I do not have a copy of her will. From what you are saying Ann had a SISTER Martha Noyall who supposedly took the two orphans of Ann. Then in Daniel's wil he mentions his uncle William Noyall. Since William was a "Noyall" he wouldn't marry another "Noyall", namely Martha Noyall. We know Martha is a "Noyall" because she is a SISTER to Ann Noyall. So it appears that Ann Noyall had a sister Martha & a brother William. Sorry I am no help on this one, but I agree that women not married could not be guardians and in the case of Ann & her children it does NOT make since that her sister Martha is named as guardian. In regards to Jane Gross, WHEN did her father, Richard leave her his inheritance? Did Richards will give a last name of Jane? According to source Francis & Jane married either in 1682 or abt 1689/90, depending upon the birth dates of their children. Was Joseph Sr the eldest child b. 1683 or 1690 as source indicates? If we knew the correct marriage date & if Jane received the inheritance before the correct marriage date, then likely she was married before. And lastly, unfortunatley, I know very little abt the Durham & the Shearin connection with the Regans. My focus is primarily on Peter Regan & wife Rebecca Lindsay, trying to identify Peters father. I have yet to connect with any Durhams or Shearins in Peters line of decendants. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Henrietta ? Court likes Henrys... Interesting... I love elderly relatives. They can't remember yesterday, but do 50 years ago in exact minute detail. Sigh.MCH -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonna Mills Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:16 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] the ladies I have no idea where George is from or who his parents were. My great Aunt, whom I found on a mailing list, says that she either has a copy of his marriage certificate or she may found the marriage listed on the record books in Durham. Any way George's date of birth was on the marriage record as 1875 and his father was J L Ragan. She could not remember a mother being listed and she did not recall if the father J L Ragan was listed as being alive or not. Supposedly, George was related to,Jessie T Ragan. It was always believed that George and Jessie were brothers but no prove. George was my great grandfather but since he died when my grandmother was about four or five she really never knew him. My mother knows that she is related to Jessie and Dora's son Ross and they always thought it was because of the brother thing mentioned above. Jessie T Ragan was married to Dora and they had five children: Flossy, Jannie, Lillian, Robert Ross, and Elizabeth. Flossy - married a Bane and had two children that I know of Robert and Alice. Jannie - Do not know how many children they had but do know of one son maned Ott. George also related (not sure how) to a Hennie which was nickname that everyone called her. She had at least four children: Paul, Ruth, Mary, and Rachael. We are not sure if this Hennie was married to a Ragan or if she was a Ragan at one time. Her daughter Mary married Henry Medlin. We lost touch with all of them many, many years ago. Maryellen Horrigan <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> wrote: Oooo...Evans is always good...Do we know where George comes from? Who's his daddy? M'ellen -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonna Mills Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:32 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] the ladies I have a Euphemia Evans born 1838 in North Carolina. Parents: Henderson Evans b:1811 d:after 1870 Arama Adeline Duke Evans b:1809 d:after 1870 Siblings: Smith Evans b: 6 May 1835 d: 6 April 1907 William Evans b: July 1843 d: After 1900 Thomas Evans b: 1848 Euphemia's brother, Smith Evans, had a daughter Cora b:24 May 1883 d:15 June 1911 that married a George Ragan. All of the above are from NC mostly Orange and Durham counties. Maryellen Horrigan wrote: Does anyone have an odd ladies name Euthamia, Euphamia, Fama, are there any Frances? M'ellen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James, do you have a Hulda Lindsey I Sevier Co TN?... if so, she's mine. I have a whole pack of Lindsey researchers in AL that I've pretty well bee ignoring, except that one f them married in Sevier TN to a Crowson. He's mine too. -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:38 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Isabel Lindsey Durham Thanks Maryellen for he info. Intereting that Lindays & Durhams were connected in Hanover VA & in Granville NC the earliest Lindsay I find is Joseph Lindsay in 1750. The earliest Durham I find in Bute NC is William & Samuel in 1769. Do you have earlier dates for Durhams in Granville or Bute? I wonder if there were any Regans in Hanover VA in early 1700s. -----Original Message----- From: Maryellen Horrigan Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:47 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Isabel Lindsey Durham Have you seen this ... I was googling Samuel Durham to see what documentation I could find....I thin a Lindsey is yours...just interesting...MCH Name: Samuel Davis DURHAM Sex: M Birth: 1755 in Hanover County, Virginia Birth: 1755 Death: 1801 Note: Enlisted in Washington's Army and fought five years. His pension application is filed in the National Archives in Washington No. W 7053, wife listed as Isabel. Samuel was engaged to marry Esbal at the outbreak of the war but Jeremiah Lindsey said he objected to his daughter marrying a soldier so they waited untilt he war was over. Isabel always said that the Lindsey's were Tories and that Jeremiah said his daughter would marry no rebel and that Samuel replied that after he came home from the service all would be rebels. Jeremiah told him that in that unlikely event he would give his consent for their marriage. In Administration Book E, page 173, Greene county, Georgia, shows date of January 11, 1802, Isabellah Durham and Abraham Durham applied for letters of Administration on the estate of Samuel Durham, deceased. February 18, 18-02, Letters of Administration granted. Marriage Bond of Samuel Durham, Batchellor and Miss Isbell Lindsey in the County of Hanover. Bound unto his Excellency Thos. Nelson Junior Esq., Governor of commonwealth of Virginia, 10th day of September 1781 War Department records (far from complete) show in the Adjutant General's Office, Washington, d.D. that Samuel Durham served in the War of the Revolution as a private in Captain Richard Call's Troop, 1st Regiment Light Dragoon's Continental troops, also known as 1st Regiment Virginia Light Dragoons, commanded by Theodorick Bland. The records indicate he enlisted February 14, 1778 to serve three years and his name last appears on that company's master role for November 1778. Samuel came home latter part of 1781. Isabel said he had been gone five years, making his first enlistment in 1777. Application of Isabel Durham for pension of Certain Widows: State of Georgia Green County On this 21st day of May 1845 before me the Subscriber a Justice of the Superior Court in and for the said county the same being a court of record personally appeared Isabel Durham a resident of said county and state aged eighty five years past who being first duly sworn according to law doth on her oath make the following Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress passed on the 7th of July 1838--entitled an Act granting half pay and provisions to certain widows, that she is the widow of Samuel Davis Durham commonly called Samuel Durham who resided in Hanover County, State of Virginia and enlisted at the commencement of the War of the Revolution for the Term of two years on the Virginia Continental Line and faithfully served out the term of his enlistment as private of Infantry and before he returned home enlisted for the Term of three years in a troop of Horse and faithfully served out his Term of enlistment as a private of Cavalry in the State troop in Continental Line in Virginia was at the Battle of Brandywine--Bunkerhill and others and while in Service marched as far South as Savannah, Georgia; That she does not make the foregoing statements of her own knowledge but speaks from hearsay and her present recollection. The name of the Corps and Regiment in which the said Samuel served not recollected at this late period even from hearsay; That she was aquainited with the said Samuel prior to his first enlistment and was engaged to be married on his return from Service. He again enlisted for a second term which he faithfully served out and received an honorable discharge and returned home in the latter part of the year 1781 which was the first time that she saw him from the timie that he first entered the Service, foresaid making five years that he was private and served in the Virginia Continental Line in State troops. That she knows of no person living who could give the name of the Corps or Regiment in which the said Samuel served or that could give a narrative of his Service or their own knowledge. That she has no documentary evidence showing the service of said Samuel. That the same Samuel D. Durham died on the 27th day of December Eighteen hundred and One in Green County, State of Georgia, and at the time and after his death the deponent had his discharges in her possession and that some 30 years since she gave up her house and home and resided among her children when all her papers went into the possession of her daughter, afterwards into the possession of her brother-in-law who moved to the State of Alabama and died and she is unable to learn anything of the discharges aforesaid and deponent further declares that she was legally married to the said Samuel D. Durham soon after he returned from the Service aforesaid to wit in the latter part of the year seventeen hundred and eighty-one. That she has no family registry in her possession, her family Bible was delivered with the other papers and is gone from her knowledge, but that she was legally married in Hanover County, State of Virginia and moved from there to Georgia Green County where her husband died on the day aforesaid. That she has remained a widow ever since the period of her husbands death. That she was not married prior to her husbands last service but was married prior to the 1st day of January 1794. Isabel Durham Sworn to and subscribed on the day and year first written before me a Justice of the Inferior Court, County of Green, State of Georgia,May a.d. 1845. J. R. Hall JIC JP Father: Abram DURHAM b: in Durham County, England Mother: ANNE Marriage 1 Isabel LINDSEY Children Lindsey DURHAM b: 22 NOV 1789 -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:28 AM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] oddities to share Maryellen, I regards to Joseph b. 1710 s/o Francis Jr, I do NOT have any additional info pertaining to him. I am only speculating that he could be a possible anditate as the fathr ofboth John & Fracis since we know nothing more of him. Regarding Daniels mother Ann Noyall I do not have a copy of her will. From what you are saying Ann had a SISTER Martha Noyall who supposedly took the two orphans of Ann. Then in Daniel's wil he mentions his uncle William Noyall. Since William was a "Noyall" he wouldn't marry another "Noyall", namely Martha Noyall. We know Martha is a "Noyall" because she is a SISTER to Ann Noyall. So it appears that Ann Noyall had a sister Martha & a brother William. Sorry I am no help on this one, but I agree that women not married could not be guardians and in the case of Ann & her children it does NOT make since that her sister Martha is named as guardian. In regards to Jane Gross, WHEN did her father, Richard leave her his inheritance? Did Richards will give a last name of Jane? According to source Francis & Jane married either in 1682 or abt 1689/90, depending upon the birth dates of their children. Was Joseph Sr the eldest child b. 1683 or 1690 as source indicates? If we knew the correct marriage date & if Jane received the inheritance before the correct marriage date, then likely she was married before. And lastly, unfortunatley, I know very little abt the Durham & the Shearin connection with the Regans. My focus is primarily on Peter Regan & wife Rebecca Lindsay, trying to identify Peters father. I have yet to connect with any Durhams or Shearins in Peters line of decendants. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have no idea where George is from or who his parents were. My great Aunt, whom I found on a mailing list, says that she either has a copy of his marriage certificate or she may found the marriage listed on the record books in Durham. Any way George's date of birth was on the marriage record as 1875 and his father was J L Ragan. She could not remember a mother being listed and she did not recall if the father J L Ragan was listed as being alive or not. Supposedly, George was related to,Jessie T Ragan. It was always believed that George and Jessie were brothers but no prove. George was my great grandfather but since he died when my grandmother was about four or five she really never knew him. My mother knows that she is related to Jessie and Dora's son Ross and they always thought it was because of the brother thing mentioned above. Jessie T Ragan was married to Dora and they had five children: Flossy, Jannie, Lillian, Robert Ross, and Elizabeth. Flossy - married a Bane and had two children that I know of Robert and Alice. Jannie - Do not know how many children they had but do know of one son maned Ott. George also related (not sure how) to a Hennie which was nickname that everyone called her. She had at least four children: Paul, Ruth, Mary, and Rachael. We are not sure if this Hennie was married to a Ragan or if she was a Ragan at one time. Her daughter Mary married Henry Medlin. We lost touch with all of them many, many years ago. Maryellen Horrigan <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> wrote: Oooo...Evans is always good...Do we know where George comes from? Who's his daddy? M'ellen -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonna Mills Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:32 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] the ladies I have a Euphemia Evans born 1838 in North Carolina. Parents: Henderson Evans b:1811 d:after 1870 Arama Adeline Duke Evans b:1809 d:after 1870 Siblings: Smith Evans b: 6 May 1835 d: 6 April 1907 William Evans b: July 1843 d: After 1900 Thomas Evans b: 1848 Euphemia's brother, Smith Evans, had a daughter Cora b:24 May 1883 d:15 June 1911 that married a George Ragan. All of the above are from NC mostly Orange and Durham counties. Maryellen Horrigan wrote: Does anyone have an odd ladies name Euthamia, Euphamia, Fama, are there any Frances? M'ellen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos.

Oooo...Evans is always good...Do we know where George comes from? Who's his daddy? M'ellen -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonna Mills Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:32 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] the ladies I have a Euphemia Evans born 1838 in North Carolina. Parents: Henderson Evans b:1811 d:after 1870 Arama Adeline Duke Evans b:1809 d:after 1870 Siblings: Smith Evans b: 6 May 1835 d: 6 April 1907 William Evans b: July 1843 d: After 1900 Thomas Evans b: 1848 Euphemia's brother, Smith Evans, had a daughter Cora b:24 May 1883 d:15 June 1911 that married a George Ragan. All of the above are from NC mostly Orange and Durham counties. Maryellen Horrigan <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> wrote: Does anyone have an odd ladies name Euthamia, Euphamia, Fama, are there any Frances? M'ellen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you seen this ... I was googling Samuel Durham to see what documentation I could find....I thin a Lindsey is yours...just interesting...MCH Name: Samuel Davis DURHAM Sex: M Birth: 1755 in Hanover County, Virginia Birth: 1755 Death: 1801 Note: Enlisted in Washington's Army and fought five years. His pension application is filed in the National Archives in Washington No. W 7053, wife listed as Isabel. Samuel was engaged to marry Esbal at the outbreak of the war but Jeremiah Lindsey said he objected to his daughter marrying a soldier so they waited untilt he war was over. Isabel always said that the Lindsey's were Tories and that Jeremiah said his daughter would marry no rebel and that Samuel replied that after he came home from the service all would be rebels. Jeremiah told him that in that unlikely event he would give his consent for their marriage. In Administration Book E, page 173, Greene county, Georgia, shows date of January 11, 1802, Isabellah Durham and Abraham Durham applied for letters of Administration on the estate of Samuel Durham, deceased. February 18, 18-02, Letters of Administration granted. Marriage Bond of Samuel Durham, Batchellor and Miss Isbell Lindsey in the County of Hanover. Bound unto his Excellency Thos. Nelson Junior Esq., Governor of commonwealth of Virginia, 10th day of September 1781 War Department records (far from complete) show in the Adjutant General's Office, Washington, d.D. that Samuel Durham served in the War of the Revolution as a private in Captain Richard Call's Troop, 1st Regiment Light Dragoon's Continental troops, also known as 1st Regiment Virginia Light Dragoons, commanded by Theodorick Bland. The records indicate he enlisted February 14, 1778 to serve three years and his name last appears on that company's master role for November 1778. Samuel came home latter part of 1781. Isabel said he had been gone five years, making his first enlistment in 1777. Application of Isabel Durham for pension of Certain Widows: State of Georgia Green County On this 21st day of May 1845 before me the Subscriber a Justice of the Superior Court in and for the said county the same being a court of record personally appeared Isabel Durham a resident of said county and state aged eighty five years past who being first duly sworn according to law doth on her oath make the following Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress passed on the 7th of July 1838--entitled an Act granting half pay and provisions to certain widows, that she is the widow of Samuel Davis Durham commonly called Samuel Durham who resided in Hanover County, State of Virginia and enlisted at the commencement of the War of the Revolution for the Term of two years on the Virginia Continental Line and faithfully served out the term of his enlistment as private of Infantry and before he returned home enlisted for the Term of three years in a troop of Horse and faithfully served out his Term of enlistment as a private of Cavalry in the State troop in Continental Line in Virginia was at the Battle of Brandywine--Bunkerhill and others and while in Service marched as far South as Savannah, Georgia; That she does not make the foregoing statements of her own knowledge but speaks from hearsay and her present recollection. The name of the Corps and Regiment in which the said Samuel served not recollected at this late period even from hearsay; That she was aquainited with the said Samuel prior to his first enlistment and was engaged to be married on his return from Service. He again enlisted for a second term which he faithfully served out and received an honorable discharge and returned home in the latter part of the year 1781 which was the first time that she saw him from the timie that he first entered the Service, foresaid making five years that he was private and served in the Virginia Continental Line in State troops. That she knows of no person living who could give the name of the Corps or Regiment in which the said Samuel served or that could give a narrative of his Service or their own knowledge. That she has no documentary evidence showing the service of said Samuel. That the same Samuel D. Durham died on the 27th day of December Eighteen hundred and One in Green County, State of Georgia, and at the time and after his death the deponent had his discharges in her possession and that some 30 years since she gave up her house and home and resided among her children when all her papers went into the possession of her daughter, afterwards into the possession of her brother-in-law who moved to the State of Alabama and died and she is unable to learn anything of the discharges aforesaid and deponent further declares that she was legally married to the said Samuel D. Durham soon after he returned from the Service aforesaid to wit in the latter part of the year seventeen hundred and eighty-one. That she has no family registry in her possession, her family Bible was delivered with the other papers and is gone from her knowledge, but that she was legally married in Hanover County, State of Virginia and moved from there to Georgia Green County where her husband died on the day aforesaid. That she has remained a widow ever since the period of her husbands death. That she was not married prior to her husbands last service but was married prior to the 1st day of January 1794. Isabel Durham Sworn to and subscribed on the day and year first written before me a Justice of the Inferior Court, County of Green, State of Georgia,May a.d. 1845. J. R. Hall JIC JP Father: Abram DURHAM b: in Durham County, England Mother: ANNE Marriage 1 Isabel LINDSEY Children Lindsey DURHAM b: 22 NOV 1789 -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:28 AM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] oddities to share Maryellen, I regards to Joseph b. 1710 s/o Francis Jr, I do NOT have any additional info pertaining to him. I am only speculating that he could be a possible anditate as the fathr ofboth John & Fracis since we know nothing more of him. Regarding Daniels mother Ann Noyall I do not have a copy of her will. From what you are saying Ann had a SISTER Martha Noyall who supposedly took the two orphans of Ann. Then in Daniel's wil he mentions his uncle William Noyall. Since William was a "Noyall" he wouldn't marry another "Noyall", namely Martha Noyall. We know Martha is a "Noyall" because she is a SISTER to Ann Noyall. So it appears that Ann Noyall had a sister Martha & a brother William. Sorry I am no help on this one, but I agree that women not married could not be guardians and in the case of Ann & her children it does NOT make since that her sister Martha is named as guardian. In regards to Jane Gross, WHEN did her father, Richard leave her his inheritance? Did Richards will give a last name of Jane? According to source Francis & Jane married either in 1682 or abt 1689/90, depending upon the birth dates of their children. Was Joseph Sr the eldest child b. 1683 or 1690 as source indicates? If we knew the correct marriage date & if Jane received the inheritance before the correct marriage date, then likely she was married before. And lastly, unfortunatley, I know very little abt the Durham & the Shearin connection with the Regans. My focus is primarily on Peter Regan & wife Rebecca Lindsay, trying to identify Peters father. I have yet to connect with any Durhams or Shearins in Peters line of decendants. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have an odd ladies name Euthamia, Euphamia, Fama, are there any Frances? M'ellen

I have a Euphemia Evans born 1838 in North Carolina. Parents: Henderson Evans b:1811 d:after 1870 Arama Adeline Duke Evans b:1809 d:after 1870 Siblings: Smith Evans b: 6 May 1835 d: 6 April 1907 William Evans b: July 1843 d: After 1900 Thomas Evans b: 1848 Euphemia's brother, Smith Evans, had a daughter Cora b:24 May 1883 d:15 June 1911 that married a George Ragan. All of the above are from NC mostly Orange and Durham counties. Maryellen Horrigan <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> wrote: Does anyone have an odd ladies name Euthamia, Euphamia, Fama, are there any Frances? M'ellen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

I believe Martha was a Noyal because she was already married to William and Rebecca was their daughter. Only married Martha gets the kids, and from the will of Daniel II...she speculatively got the kids. Daniel II 's sister Patience is mentioned in Dan II's will as having married an unk Shivers. Re Jane Gross Regan, she is marked s a widow in 1696. Something is wrong here, as Francis does not die until 1727: In the afore mentioned 17th Century Isle of Wight book in the section titled Deed Book I p. 630 and 631: " Gov. Berkeley granted Richard Gross 200 acres which escheated and belongs to the said Gross. Jane Rigan, als Jane Gross, widow dau and sole heir of Richard Gross,dec.for 5000 lbs tbco sell to Nicholas Casey 9 Feb. 1696 Richd. Wilkison, James Tullaugh." "Wm Berkeley grants to Richard Gross 200 acres which was patented 12 Sept 1662 and found to escheat, 7 Sept 1670. Pat dated 6 April 1671. Jane Regan, als Jane Gross, widow, dau. and sole heir of Richard assigns her right to Nicholas Casey 9 Feb, 1696. Jas Tullaugh. Rich Wilkinson, Rich. Reynolds".p. 630-31 -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:28 AM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] oddities to share Maryellen, I regards to Joseph b. 1710 s/o Francis Jr, I do NOT have any additional info pertaining to him. I am only speculating that he could be a possible anditate as the fathr ofboth John & Fracis since we know nothing more of him. Regarding Daniels mother Ann Noyall I do not have a copy of her will. From what you are saying Ann had a SISTER Martha Noyall who supposedly took the two orphans of Ann. Then in Daniel's wil he mentions his uncle William Noyall. Since William was a "Noyall" he wouldn't marry another "Noyall", namely Martha Noyall. We know Martha is a "Noyall" because she is a SISTER to Ann Noyall. So it appears that Ann Noyall had a sister Martha & a brother William. Sorry I am no help on this one, but I agree that women not married could not be guardians and in the case of Ann & her children it does NOT make since that her sister Martha is named as guardian. In regards to Jane Gross, WHEN did her father, Richard leave her his inheritance? Did Richards will give a last name of Jane? According to source Francis & Jane married either in 1682 or abt 1689/90, depending upon the birth dates of their children. Was Joseph Sr the eldest child b. 1683 or 1690 as source indicates? If we knew the correct marriage date & if Jane received the inheritance before the correct marriage date, then likely she was married before. And lastly, unfortunatley, I know very little abt the Durham & the Shearin connection with the Regans. My focus is primarily on Peter Regan & wife Rebecca Lindsay, trying to identify Peters father. I have yet to connect with any Durhams or Shearins in Peters line of decendants. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Okay, Nathan, Nathaniel, most "N" names ( except for surnames as given names appear to be girls!hmmm -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Court Conkwright Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:55 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] oddities to share Here's one for you all to take a look at. Since I am looking mainly in Mo and ILL. I found this in the History of Gasconade Co., MO. Gasconade Co., Mo is very close to Audrain and Cole., MO where both James Joseph and Powell Riggins were from. They first appear in these area in 1816-1819. Now one for you Maryellen! From the History of Gasconade County. Page 620 "The first permanent settlers, it is believed, came into the county in 1812, and among them were Henry Reed, on the Bourbeuse River, James Roark, three miles southeast of Hermann, and Isaac Perkins, William West, N. Riggins, and a few others who made their living principally by hunting and trading with the Indians." Now remember that John Riggin from Madison Co., ILL moved into Gasconade Co., Mo ca. 1840 and died there ca. 1844. Now my question is who is this N. Riggins? Does anyone have him in a data base in this area around 1812? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

N. Riggins could stand for Nathan or Nathaniel or Nicholas. A Nicholas Regan of Berkley VA sells land in Fairfax VA in 1778. A Nathaniel Ragin (b. by 1772) in 1793 Wilkes NC. Cannot find him after this. -----Original Message----- From: Court Conkwright Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:55 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] oddities to share Here's one for you all to take a look at. Since I am looking mainly in Mo and ILL. I found this in the History of Gasconade Co., MO. Gasconade Co., Mo is very close to Audrain and Cole., MO where both James Joseph and Powell Riggins were from. They first appear in these area in 1816-1819. Now one for you Maryellen! From the History of Gasconade County. Page 620 "The first permanent settlers, it is believed, came into the county in 1812, and among them were Henry Reed, on the Bourbeuse River, James Roark, three miles southeast of Hermann, and Isaac Perkins, William West, N. Riggins, and a few others who made their living principally by hunting and trading with the Indians." Now remember that John Riggin from Madison Co., ILL moved into Gasconade Co., Mo ca. 1840 and died there ca. 1844. Now my question is who is this N. Riggins? Does anyone have him in a data base in this area around 1812? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maryellen, I regards to Joseph b. 1710 s/o Francis Jr, I do NOT have any additional info pertaining to him. I am only speculating that he could be a possible anditate as the fathr ofboth John & Fracis since we know nothing more of him. Regarding Daniels mother Ann Noyall I do not have a copy of her will. From what you are saying Ann had a SISTER Martha Noyall who supposedly took the two orphans of Ann. Then in Daniel's wil he mentions his uncle William Noyall. Since William was a "Noyall" he wouldn't marry another "Noyall", namely Martha Noyall. We know Martha is a "Noyall" because she is a SISTER to Ann Noyall. So it appears that Ann Noyall had a sister Martha & a brother William. Sorry I am no help on this one, but I agree that women not married could not be guardians and in the case of Ann & her children it does NOT make since that her sister Martha is named as guardian. In regards to Jane Gross, WHEN did her father, Richard leave her his inheritance? Did Richards will give a last name of Jane? According to source Francis & Jane married either in 1682 or abt 1689/90, depending upon the birth dates of their children. Was Joseph Sr the eldest child b. 1683 or 1690 as source indicates? If we knew the correct marriage date & if Jane received the inheritance before the correct marriage date, then likely she was married before. And lastly, unfortunatley, I know very little abt the Durham & the Shearin connection with the Regans. My focus is primarily on Peter Regan & wife Rebecca Lindsay, trying to identify Peters father. I have yet to connect with any Durhams or Shearins in Peters line of decendants.