Paul, I'm posting to Queen-L for the benefit of all, rather than responding off-list. My understanding is that you are correct in that Wm Q, Sr. of 1749 and Samuel of 1759 were brothers - and that they were sons of old William. However, Samuel of 1776-80 is not the same Samuel as the one who married Dicey. The DNA of descendant donors of Sr., Samuel of 1759 and Samuel of 1776 do not match. However, it is understandable that they do not match since 100's of male children were born of these lineages between 1749 and 1920+. (Over 90 male Queens descend from Alfred Queen of 1810 by 1942.) Thus, one point - perhaps two - mutations are expected in many lineages. Remember, it's the YDNA of the donor that is being analyzed; not the YDNA of the old ancestor. It's from the donor DNA that we can draw inferences as to DNA of the old ancestor. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mears" <[email protected]> To: "O Eugene Queen" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [QUEEN] DNA - Alfred Queen Lineages > so Alfred DNA didn't match WLQ Sr line?...Samuel Queen that married Dicey > Rolls was a brother to William Lewis Queen Sr...he is listed on Wm's > pension > application...so we have no hard evidence that WLQ Sr and Samuel were sons > of William Queen of Anson County NC? > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "O Eugene Queen" <[email protected]> > To: "Paul Mears" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 10:29 PM > Subject: Re: [QUEEN] DNA - Alfred Queen Lineages > > >> There are a number of living male Queen descendants of the WLQ, Sr. > lineage. >> We have a number of documented or DNA genetic links to him. >> >> Stay tuned to Queen-L as others begin to follow-thru with their lineages. >> >> As to the Haywood County Queens of my lineage; it appears that Samuel > Queen >> of 1776-80 hatched a number of them before the William Queen crowd >> arrived >> later in the 1820's. Ah, if we could just find the pa of this Samuel. >> >> The Jones are of great interest to a number of Queen researchers. In >> addition to census and other data, my mapping project in Rutherford >> County >> confirms land ownership in the Whitesides Settlement of Queens and Jones > in >> close proximity. >> >> Gene >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Mears" <[email protected]> >> To: "O Eugene Queen" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 10:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [QUEEN] DNA - Alfred Queen Lineages >> >> >> > no living descendants from WLQ Sr either?..and I concur about >> > proof...it >> > is >> > a must...but we have to still make assumptions when there were only >> > four >> > or >> > five Queen families that made the trek from Rutherford to Haywood and > can >> > only rely on census for the most part, they didn't just hatch there...I >> > have >> > many Queen's on my tree and very close family from this line in Haywood >> > County NC where I was born...there is no direct Queen lineage proven >> > but >> > my >> > interest for joining the Queen L group was my Jones direct line of >> > Rutherford married into this Queen family...there were eight dau's on > the >> > Rutherford Census with WLQ Sr...the only Queen on the 1790 Rutherford >> > Census...we do know that some of my Jones married the Queen's in >> > Rutherford...they resided in Whitesides Settlement, Rutherford County >> > NC >> > and >> > were nearby on the 1820 Rutherford Census..of the known marriages btw >> > children of John Jones of Whitesides Settlement and children of William >> > Lewis Queen, Sr we know that Ursula Jones married Joseph H Queen and >> > removed >> > to GA...Josiah Jones m. Catherine Queen and removed to GA...and Edward >> > Jones >> > m. Olive Vine Queen and removed to Haywood County/Jackson County, > NC...it >> > is >> > possible that Charles Jones wife was Elizabeth Queen and Robert Jones >> > m. >> > Rebecca Queen by a possible dau on the 1850 Rutherford Census named >> > Olivine >> > it was used exclusively in this Queen family. >> > >> > Paul >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "O Eugene Queen" <[email protected]> >> > To: "Paul Mears" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:57 PM >> > Subject: Re: [QUEEN] DNA - Alfred Queen Lineages >> > >> > >> >> I agree regarding the YDNA of WLQ, Jr. Unfortunately my sources have >> >> come >> >> up with zilch as to a living male Queen of this lineage. >> >> >> >> A more likely relationship that some of us have worked for about 30 > years >> > is >> >> that Alfred was a brother to James Henry Queen (b. 1808) who married >> >> Isabella Bryson. Regretably, there is no living male Queen of this >> > lineage >> >> either. My last hope dried up in Texas. I was about 6 years too >> >> late. >> >> >> >> I have an open mind regarding WLQ, Jr. One of my Alfred's daughters >> > married >> >> a grandson of Jr. >> >> >> >> But, I want to see some documentation or DNA evidence before I claim a >> >> relationship. I've been researching too long in the search for >> > facts/solid >> >> evidence to settle for anything less. >> >> >> >> Gene >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Paul Mears" <[email protected]> >> >> To: "O Eugene Queen" <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:49 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [QUEEN] DNA - Alfred Queen Lineages >> >> >> >> >> >> > from census and logical assumption he would be a son of Wm Lewis > Queen, >> > Jr >> >> > but I have no other evidence...Cocke County TN borders Haywood >> >> > County >> >> > NC..W >> >> > L Queen Jr died young with no will..his brother James named a son >> >> > Alfred >> >> > as >> >> > well...would be interesting to see some DNA results of others from > the >> > Jr >> >> > line to see if they match your Alfred Queen? >> >> > >> >> > Paul >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "O Eugene Queen" <[email protected]> >> >> > To: "Paul Mears" <[email protected]> >> >> > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:34 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [QUEEN] DNA - Alfred Queen Lineages >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Not to my knowledge. >> >> >> >> >> >> We just do not have adequate evidence to "assign" a pa to Alfred. >> >> >> >> >> >> Gene >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Paul Mears" <[email protected]> >> >> >> To: "O Eugene Queen" <[email protected]> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:24 PM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [QUEEN] DNA - Alfred Queen Lineages >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Gene, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Alfred Queen was a son of William Lewis Queen, Jr and born in >> >> >> > Rutherford >> >> >> > County NC? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Paul