Rita, I feel strongly "Hence" is not his real name--a nickname? Therefore it is possible he is listed elsewhere---marriage or other document-- under his "first" or real name. Or, using initials. 1. Did you know there is a Mortality Schedule for the 1850 Census? I didn't. Could there be one for the 1860 Census? worth looking. Katy ----- Original Message ----- From: "RITAB" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:24 PM Subject: Fw: [QUEEN] Starting fires! > My comments on Rolla's Truth or Dare... Rita > > > >> I want to focus on 4 of the test results and their reported most distant >> known ancestor - >> >> 26983, Samuel, 1759 >> 24404, Hence 1, 1823 >> 26707, Hence 2, 1823 >> 31628, John R., 1854 >> >> Facts: >> >> 1) Kit 24404 is a perfect match with the proposed ancestral DNA sequence >> >> 2) The remaining 3 kits all share the 1 mutation mismatch at marker 464c. >> >> Ergo: >> >> Truth or Dare >> >> 1) 24404 and 26707 (Hence 1 and 2) claim they trace back to the same > common >> ancestor (Hence), but only one shares the mutation. Consequently the >> mutation occurred after they last shared a common ancestor. The last > common >> ancestor was Hence. Therefore, Hence did not have the mutation. The >> mutation occurred after the split. > > Comment: Their (24404 and 26707) last common ancestor was Hence's son, > Hinsey Jonas Queen. Respectively, 24404's grandfather and 26707's father > were brothers. So which kit has the mutation? 24404 or 26707? If Hence > and son Jonas were available for DNA testing, isn't it possible that their > samples could mirror 26707 instead of 24404? I am looking for a > descendant > of 26707's brother. Is it worthwhile to pursue descendants of Hence's > other > 2 sons. Would that confirm/deny/confuse the true DNA pattern? If I am > way > out in left field, please tell me. >> >> 2) As a result, kits 26707, 31628, and 26983 all share a common ancestor >> after Hence. All three donors must trace their lines of descent back to a >> common ancestor before Hence, and then back through Hence. > > Comment: Open to suggestions on how to surge over this brick wall. I've > looked for a paper trail for Hence Queen for some time, and have not found > any link to other Queen families. Some of you may remember the story--he > appears in the 1850 Rabun County census with wife, Nancy, and 2 children. > By 1860 Hence has disappeared and Nancy is widowed with 5 children (3 > sons, > 2 daughters) in 1860 Cherokee County NC. I have checked courthouses, > archives, and libraries in NC, GA, and TN looking for a marriage record > for > Hence and Nancy, or any record of his existence. To date, his only > documented occurence is the 1850 Rabun County GA census. >> >> 3) Kit 26983 indicates that he can trace his lineage back to Samuel, >> 1759. >> Consequently, he should be able to document his most recent common > ancestor >> with the 26707 and 31628, and should be able to follow his ancestry > through >> the next most common ancestor (Hence) with 24404. > > Comment: In an effort to figure out where the paths crossed, I contacted > several of the 37-marker matches in the hopes of compiling a spreadsheet > detailing geographic locations for each our ancestors for the census years > as a means to find a common place/time for our lineage. Only one > responded. > Since I am stuck at 1850, I can't begin to pinpoint his location in 1840 > when Hence would have been about 17. > >> 4) If the DNA is interpreted correctly, and the documents are interpreted >> correctly, then all 4 donors should trace back through Hence to Samuel, > born >> in 1759. >> >> 5) The time frame between Samuel (1759) and Old William provide that Old >> William could be the father or grandfather of Samuel, or that Samuel >> might >> share a common ancestor with Old William. >> >> 6) Now, the descendant of John R, born 1854, has the mutation. Hence was >> born in 1823, John R. in 1854. 30 years difference is not enough distance > to >> provide John R to be a grandson of Hence, and the mutation had to occur >> after Hence. Therefore, logic dictates that John R. had to be a son of > Hence > > Comment: Hence disappeared from my family line somewhere between > 1858-1860. > He could have moved on and established another family somewhere. >> >> >> 7) In order for 26983 and 26707 to share the mutation after Hence, then > they >> must also share a common ancestor in John R. The mutation has to occur > with >> John R. or one of his desendants, and all three donors must trace back >> through those descendants. Does not leave many generations to work with. >> >> 8) So if all is to be believed. All these kits descend from Samuel, > through >> an unnamed second generation, third generation Hence - one child of Hence >> leads to 24404, John R is another child of Hence and he becomes the >> partiarch for kits 26983, 26707, 31268. >> >> After this, we play spin the bottle! >> >> >> Rolla >> >> http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ >> http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 >> >> >> ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== >> Visit my homepage: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ >> QUEEN YDNA PROJECT >> http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True >> http://www.ysearch.org/ >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. 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