OK. I've got a little time on my hands and what better time than now to set a fire under the Group 1 Queens. I'm going to make a few statements based on the DNA. It is sort of like Truth or Dare. I am going to tell you a DNA truth, and Dare you to prove me wrong. Remember, I am alien Queen DNA, so I can I have fun at your expense. I want to focus on 4 of the test results and their reported most distant known ancestor - 26983, Samuel, 1759 24404, Hence 1, 1823 26707, Hence 2, 1823 31628, John R., 1854 Facts: 1) Kit 24404 is a perfect match with the proposed ancestral DNA sequence 2) The remaining 3 kits all share the 1 mutation mismatch at marker 464c. Ergo: Truth or Dare 1) 24404 and 26707 (Hence 1 and 2) claim they trace back to the same common ancestor (Hence), but only one shares the mutation. Consequently the mutation occurred after they last shared a common ancestor. The last common ancestor was Hence. Therefore, Hence did not have the mutation. The mutation occurred after the split. 2) As a result, kits 26707, 31628, and 26983 all share a common ancestor after Hence. All three donors must trace their lines of descent back to a common ancestor before Hence, and then back through Hence. 3) Kit 26983 indicates that he can trace his lineage back to Samuel, 1759. Consequently, he should be able to document his most recent common ancestor with the 26707 and 31628, and should be able to follow his ancestry through the next most common ancestor (Hence) with 24404. 4) If the DNA is interpreted correctly, and the documents are interpreted correctly, then all 4 donors should trace back through Hence to Samuel, born in 1759. 5) The time frame between Samuel (1759) and Old William provide that Old William could be the father or grandfather of Samuel, or that Samuel might share a common ancestor with Old William. 6) Now, the descendant of John R, born 1854, has the mutation. Hence was born in 1823, John R. in 1854. 30 years difference is not enough distance to provide John R to be a grandson of Hence, and the mutation had to occur after Hence. Therefore, logic dictates that John R. had to be a son of Hence 7) In order for 26983 and 26707 to share the mutation after Hence, then they must also share a common ancestor in John R. The mutation has to occur with John R. or one of his desendants, and all three donors must trace back through those descendants. Does not leave many generations to work with. 8) So if all is to be believed. All these kits descend from Samuel, through an unnamed second generation, third generation Hence - one child of Hence leads to 24404, John R is another child of Hence and he becomes the partiarch for kits 26983, 26707, 31268. After this, we play spin the bottle! Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005