I believe that Rolla intented this for Queen-L; thus I'm forwarding it. His chart can be located at: http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm To ease Rolla's "nervous" problem, the donors of kits 23496 and 46552 are quite closely related. They share a most recent common ancestor level at the grandfather of one and the great grandfather of the other. The common ancestor died in 1955 and the family lived in Arkansas. I'm not aware of any shred of doubt regarding their lineage. The conservative (omigosh) in me used the word, "reportedly", instead of the more appropriate statement that the donor is "darn well" closely related. As to the donors of kits 72376 and 39478, they are related at the "daddy" level - in other words, they are blood brothers. Christmas Eve has passed; but hoping that Santa made everyone happy this Christmas Day. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Rolla Queen To: 'O Eugene Queen' Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 11:31 PM Subject: RE: Cuss/Discuss The results to which Gene refers, plus some new results for Group 4 are now posted for your Christmas Eve enjoyment. I cannot refute Gene's assertions. Things are as they appear. Of course, I do so get nervous when terms such as "reportedly" are used to describe close relations. Any chance that this 38 allele distant ancestor could somehow be . . . Naw..........., I'll let Gene have his Christmas present wrapped with a smile this time! Merry Christmas Gene! RQ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: O. Eugene Queen [mailto:EQueen@Lexcominc.net] Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 8:13 PM To: Rolla Queen Subject: Cuss/Discuss Kit 23496; 20 on 520; 38 on CDYb. Donor is reportedly closely related to kit 46522 with the 20 mutation on 520 and but not the 38 mutation on CDYb. Kit 72376; 19 on 520; 38 on CDYb. Donor is brother of kit 39478 who has same two mutations, plus 25 on 390. Donor is also documented relative of all the Alfred Queen clan - all have 19 on 520. Conclusion: The mutation 38 on CDYb is another parallel mutation as it relates to the descendants of Alfred's son L. D. Queen (brothers kits 72376 and 39478) when compared to kit 23496 not closely related. Refute? The good news for the Alfred Queen clan, and the project, is that we have another perfect example of the power of YDNA and mutations as it relates to the L. D. Queen lineage. With just 2 samples at the 37 marker level we hit the point of mutation to 25 on 390. We have other examples in the project where one descendant of a particular lineage has a mutation, while another decendant of the same lineage does not. Gene