All: I just received the test results for group 4 kit 75273. This kit is from my Uncle (age 77). I just had him tested as the oldest and last male of his generation in October, leaving myself and my son as the last males of my family line. I am replying to this message as there is a 1 marker difference at 458 between him and I, (13th marker). Maybe this shows that the possibility exists that sequence location is not an exact linier gauge and perhaps some interpolation may be in order. Since a one generational mutation clear back at my 13th marker; to what I had believed, would have indicated a much earlier common ancestor. I also regret to say my Uncle, Mr. Robert Queen of San Francisco, passed away just a few days before Christmas. Get those samples.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rolla Queen" <rolla.queen@charter.net> To: <radcrk@comcast.net>; <Queen-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [QUEEN] DNA study and mutation rates > Reilly, > > How many markers were being tested? At the 37 marker test, 4 mutations is > within the norm for what we are seeing - and remember that some of the > markers duplicate mutations and locations on the test, and even though it > may show a marker mismatch, the mismatch may be only counted as one, or > not > at all. You have to look at what FTDNA says the mutation difference is. > > Rolla > > And because I was 4 mutations (single mutation on four different markers) > away from other participants, a statistically unlikely event, I had my dad > tested. > And I am two steps away from him! One step on 459B and one on 460. > So either the lab made an error on my DNA, or I've "beat the odds," so to > speak. > And I've read that some families show a faster mutation rate than others. > So don't give up, just because you can't account for some mutations. > > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you > are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, > remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the > message subject to which you are replying. > > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/listowners > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES > AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/listowners > >> http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm >> >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Reilly, I am really sorry to hear about your uncle. Specific to Group 4, we need to spend some time filling in the lineages for the different tests. Having said that, I am quite a bit confused about what you are saying here. I have looked at the test results for all of Group 4, and the results indicate a tightly related group of males so far. I think that you are misinterpreting the markers and the importance of the sequence of the markers in the test. The sequence is not important, and their position on the display is not relevant to the degree of relationship. Each marker is an independent measure. If you show only one number different at one specific marker out of 37 markers tested, then this indicates that the two of you are closely related. Am I misunderstanding your point or analysis here? I don't want to leave people confused, least of all me! Rolla -----Original Message----- From: RQueen [mailto:rqueen1@kc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:30 PM To: Rolla Queen; radcrk@comcast.net; Queen-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [QUEEN] DNA study and mutation rates All: I just received the test results for group 4 kit 75273. This kit is from my Uncle (age 77). I just had him tested as the oldest and last male of his generation in October, leaving myself and my son as the last males of my family line. I am replying to this message as there is a 1 marker difference at 458 between him and I, (13th marker). Maybe this shows that the possibility exists that sequence location is not an exact linier gauge and perhaps some interpolation may be in order. Since a one generational mutation clear back at my 13th marker; to what I had believed, would have indicated a much earlier common ancestor. I also regret to say my Uncle, Mr. Robert Queen of San Francisco, passed away just a few days before Christmas. Get those samples.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rolla Queen" <rolla.queen@charter.net> To: <radcrk@comcast.net>; <Queen-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [QUEEN] DNA study and mutation rates > Reilly, > > How many markers were being tested? At the 37 marker test, 4 mutations is > within the norm for what we are seeing - and remember that some of the > markers duplicate mutations and locations on the test, and even though it > may show a marker mismatch, the mismatch may be only counted as one, or > not > at all. You have to look at what FTDNA says the mutation difference is. > > Rolla > > And because I was 4 mutations (single mutation on four different markers) > away from other participants, a statistically unlikely event, I had my dad > tested. > And I am two steps away from him! One step on 459B and one on 460. > So either the lab made an error on my DNA, or I've "beat the odds," so to > speak. > And I've read that some families show a faster mutation rate than others. > So don't give up, just because you can't account for some mutations. > > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you > are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, > remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the > message subject to which you are replying. > > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/listowners > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES > AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/listowners > >> http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm >> >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.4/615 - Release Date: 1/3/2007 1:34 PM
Roy, I know that you've been working hard on this. "Get those samples" is a must even if folks test only at the 12 marker level to begin. We just don't know what the future holds. For our own lineage, a YDNA sample is a gift like no other that we Queen males can give ourselves and those who come after us. Your uncle gave you a gift like no other. May he long be remembered. The best to you. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "RQueen" <rqueen1@kc.rr.com> To: "Rolla Queen" <rolla.queen@charter.net>; <radcrk@comcast.net>; <Queen-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [QUEEN] DNA study and mutation rates > All: > I just received the test results for group 4 kit 75273. This kit is > from > my Uncle (age 77). I just had him tested as the oldest and last male of > his > generation in October, leaving myself and my son as the last males of my > family line. I am replying to this message as there is a 1 marker > difference > at 458 between him and I, (13th marker). Maybe this shows that the > possibility exists that sequence location is not an exact linier gauge and > perhaps some interpolation may be in order. Since a one generational > mutation clear back at my 13th marker; to what I had believed, would have > indicated a much earlier common ancestor. I also regret to say my Uncle, > Mr. > Robert Queen of San Francisco, passed away just a few days before > Christmas. > Get those samples.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rolla Queen" <rolla.queen@charter.net> > To: <radcrk@comcast.net>; <Queen-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: [QUEEN] DNA study and mutation rates > > >> Reilly, >> >> How many markers were being tested? At the 37 marker test, 4 mutations is >> within the norm for what we are seeing - and remember that some of the >> markers duplicate mutations and locations on the test, and even though it >> may show a marker mismatch, the mismatch may be only counted as one, or >> not >> at all. You have to look at what FTDNA says the mutation difference is. >> >> Rolla >> >> And because I was 4 mutations (single mutation on four different markers) >> away from other participants, a statistically unlikely event, I had my >> dad >> tested. >> And I am two steps away from him! One step on 459B and one on 460. >> So either the lab made an error on my DNA, or I've "beat the odds," so to >> speak. >> And I've read that some families show a faster mutation rate than others. >> So don't give up, just because you can't account for some mutations. >> >> When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you >> are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, >> remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with >> the >> message subject to which you are replying. >> >> >> TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/listowners >> >> TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE >> ARCHIVES >> AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/listowners >> >>> http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm >>> >>> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> QUEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you > are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, > remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the > message subject to which you are replying. > > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/listowners > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES > AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/listowners > >> http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm >> >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message