Katy: Sounds great! Thanks for ideas on how to address this situation. As a matter of fact, just the thought has me up at dawn to begin pulling the info together! I have found marriage records for all Hence and Nancy's children to include the daughters. But finding descendants has not been easy (is it ever easy?). Just this year descendants of the oldest son, Jeremiah, were found by a post on QUEEN-L. They believed their Queen line was through Isaac and Ruth Hunt Queen, but Vicky Hutchings graciously provided enough census data to sway the "jury." However, we have yet to find a willing DNA donor from this line. I will reattack and reevaluate the information I have. I will also check with my elderly source for Queen information to see if she can find yet another cousin. At 87 and legally blind (macular degeneration), she has a tremendous memory and loves to talk--what a great combination. She remembers an Anderson relative, but did not know the relationship until I told her. At Gene's suggestion, I looked for and found another donor for Kit 26707's branch. I talked to his nephew on Monday and was surprised he was such a willing participant. I ordered the kit. Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy McMillen" <[email protected]> To: "RITAB" <[email protected]> Cc: "Rolla Queen" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: Fw:Fire simmering...... > Hey Rita, There appears to be a fire going here--I'm trying to think > creatively--perhaps we could find some answers to at least one of your > questions--BY ADVERTISING. > Now, wait a minute: my best guess is "Nancy Queen's two daughters" in > the 1860 census. > 1.The girls may have kept a better record of "what-happened -to-Hence?" > then their brothers did. > 2. Find who each girl married--between 1870 and 1880?--if possible. > 3. Write up your story, giving the girl's married names > [also tell what happend to Mrs. Nancy Queen-was she near her relatives?]. > Make it short. > 4. Ask questions--a. "what-happened-to-Hence?"; > Where are the girls? What happened to Nancy? Was Hence a miner? etc. Then > the biggy: "Is there a Family Bible with dates?" WRITE A SHORT STATEMENT > INTO A QUERY that we can broadcast. > 5. Then I suggest posting a query with: > a) Genealogy Society of Old Tryon County, 102 W. Main, Forest City, NC > 28043; Or call, 828-247-8700; and ask where it would be best for you to > advertise. > b) Send query to any local historical society, whether or not they publish; > or advertise in an important local newspaper. > c. Then I suggest Queen-L DNA-ers get together and advertise in local > newspapers, Remembering to collect any and all Queens replying so that we > can try to get them into DNA. [That's sort of my job--I just need leads-KSM] > I'll put up the first $30 to advertise to find: > 1) DNA prospects, or > 2) Any connection to Hence of 1823 GA. > Katy > How does that sound? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RITAB" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:24 PM > Subject: Fw: [QUEEN] Starting fires! > > > > My comments on Rolla's Truth or Dare... Rita > > > > > > > >> I want to focus on 4 of the test results and their reported most distant > >> known ancestor - > >> > >> 26983, Samuel, 1759 > >> 24404, Hence 1, 1823 > >> 26707, Hence 2, 1823 > >> 31628, John R., 1854 > >> > >> Facts: > >> > >> 1) Kit 24404 is a perfect match with the proposed ancestral DNA sequence > >> > >> 2) The remaining 3 kits all share the 1 mutation mismatch at marker 464c. > >> > >> Ergo: > >> > >> Truth or Dare > >> > >> 1) 24404 and 26707 (Hence 1 and 2) claim they trace back to the same > > common > >> ancestor (Hence), but only one shares the mutation. Consequently the > >> mutation occurred after they last shared a common ancestor. The last > > common > >> ancestor was Hence. Therefore, Hence did not have the mutation. The > >> mutation occurred after the split. > > > > Comment: Their (24404 and 26707) last common ancestor was Hence's son, > > Hinsey Jonas Queen. Respectively, 24404's grandfather and 26707's father > > were brothers. So which kit has the mutation? 24404 or 26707? If Hence > > and son Jonas were available for DNA testing, isn't it possible that their > > samples could mirror 26707 instead of 24404? I am looking for a > > descendant > > of 26707's brother. Is it worthwhile to pursue descendants of Hence's > > other > > 2 sons. Would that confirm/deny/confuse the true DNA pattern? If I am > > way > > out in left field, please tell me. > >> > >> 2) As a result, kits 26707, 31628, and 26983 all share a common ancestor > >> after Hence. All three donors must trace their lines of descent back to a > >> common ancestor before Hence, and then back through Hence. > > > > Comment: Open to suggestions on how to surge over this brick wall. I've > > looked for a paper trail for Hence Queen for some time, and have not found > > any link to other Queen families. Some of you may remember the story--he > > appears in the 1850 Rabun County census with wife, Nancy, and 2 children. > > By 1860 Hence has disappeared and Nancy is widowed with 5 children (3 > > sons, > > 2 daughters) in 1860 Cherokee County NC. I have checked courthouses, > > archives, and libraries in NC, GA, and TN looking for a marriage record > > for > > Hence and Nancy, or any record of his existence. To date, his only > > documented occurence is the 1850 Rabun County GA census. > >> > >> 3) Kit 26983 indicates that he can trace his lineage back to Samuel, > >> 1759. > >> Consequently, he should be able to document his most recent common > > ancestor > >> with the 26707 and 31628, and should be able to follow his ancestry > > through > >> the next most common ancestor (Hence) with 24404. > > > > Comment: In an effort to figure out where the paths crossed, I contacted > > several of the 37-marker matches in the hopes of compiling a spreadsheet > > detailing geographic locations for each our ancestors for the census years > > as a means to find a common place/time for our lineage. Only one > > responded. > > Since I am stuck at 1850, I can't begin to pinpoint his location in 1840 > > when Hence would have been about 17. > > > >> 4) If the DNA is interpreted correctly, and the documents are interpreted > >> correctly, then all 4 donors should trace back through Hence to Samuel, > > born > >> in 1759. > >> > >> 5) The time frame between Samuel (1759) and Old William provide that Old > >> William could be the father or grandfather of Samuel, or that Samuel > >> might > >> share a common ancestor with Old William. > >> > >> 6) Now, the descendant of John R, born 1854, has the mutation. Hence was > >> born in 1823, John R. in 1854. 30 years difference is not enough distance > > to > >> provide John R to be a grandson of Hence, and the mutation had to occur > >> after Hence. Therefore, logic dictates that John R. had to be a son of > > Hence > > > > Comment: Hence disappeared from my family line somewhere between > > 1858-1860. > > He could have moved on and established another family somewhere. > >> > >> > >> 7) In order for 26983 and 26707 to share the mutation after Hence, then > > they > >> must also share a common ancestor in John R. The mutation has to occur > > with > >> John R. or one of his desendants, and all three donors must trace back > >> through those descendants. Does not leave many generations to work with. > >> > >> 8) So if all is to be believed. All these kits descend from Samuel, > > through > >> an unnamed second generation, third generation Hence - one child of Hence > >> leads to 24404, John R is another child of Hence and he becomes the > >> partiarch for kits 26983, 26707, 31268. > >> > >> After this, we play spin the bottle! > >> > >> > >> Rolla > >> > >> http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm > >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ > >> http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 > >> > >> > >> ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > >> Visit my homepage: > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > >> QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > >> http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > >> http://www.ysearch.org/ > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search the US Census Collection. 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