I agree completely. I, too have a hard time accepting the fact our clan was originally Catholic but am willing to accept whatever the records show. Perhaps Charles changed his name because 1) He was running from the law (and had money to purchase the land possibly thru another person). This might be thru the UK law and not necessarily American law. Perhaps he was trying to not appear to be Scottish and changed his name for that reason., 2) He had a rift with his father/family and changed his name out of anger. If this is the case then the key might be to see if anyone from the Maryland Queen's disappeared about the same time as Charles appeared in WV. Someone the same age, wife the same age, etc. IF Charles and his son and wife were making all these trips back and forth to the UK as legend dictates then some type of record should exist for at least one of the trips. ========== Begin forwarded message: > From: "billycurtisjr@tnni.net" <billycurtisjr@tnni.net> > Date: July 6, 2007 12:04:46 PM EDT > To: papanohair@mac.com, QUEEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [QUEEN] Fwd: Charles Queen > > Skip, > > I am in agreement with you on this. I am very sensitive to this as > there are many errors on the web > as a result of family legend. The problem with family legend is > that the story may change from > generation to generation. Someone thinks they kind of remember what > grandpa said and after a few > years that becomes fact. The next generation embellishes to > glamorize the dull tree and the content > is then posted to the web as fact. > > I'll give you a for instance. My family always told me that my > Queen ancestor was James Jett Queen, > son of Armstead Queen. The name was given as Jett because it was > believed he was the son of > Armstead's second wife Minnie Jett. I spent twelve years looking > for information on James Jett > Queen to no avail. The reason I couldn't find anything was because > there never was a James Jett > Queen. He was actually James N. Queen and he wasn't Minnie Jett's > son. The information came from > the Stephen Queen book. As a matter of fact that book stated > Armstead was married to Sarah Norman > and Minnie Jett. Primary source documents do not support that > claim. Armstead was NEVER married to > Sarah Norman. He was married to her sister Charlotte Norman. This > has been proven by the marriage > records of Faquier County, VA that show Sarah Norman being married > to John Ross Dennison. > (ironically enough these are my ancestor grandparents too) > > There are numerous census, marriage, death, and deed records that > show the truth about this line. I > get a bit frustrated with some who hold to the Queen book as an > inspired, God-breathed work. It has > many errors in it. But, the minute it is called into question you > would think a murder had taken > place. Family legend is a hard thing for many of us to call into > question. But, when there are > numerous primary source records that contradict it, we must yield > to the source documentation. > > I have not seen anything to suggest the Gnatty Creek Queens were > Catholic. That doesn't mean they > weren't. I am sure the DNA evidence would clear up whether there is > a close connection with the > Maryland Queens. Whether that evidence would be disregarded because > it contradicts family legend > remains to be seen. I am hoping one of the DNA experts on this > board will take a close look at the > relationship between the two groups. I am a novice at this, even > though I had the 37 marker test > for my surname. However, from what I do know, it appears the two > groups are not related. > > I am baffled at the lack of land records or any other records for > Charles Queen. That amount of > land would have to have a record somewhere. Maybe the board could > take on this project as it > certainly would answer alot of questions regarding the connection > between the Gnatty Creek, > Maryland, and Kentucky Queens. I will withhold final judgement > until I see documentation. My > ancestors and descendants deserve that. > > If anyone would like the primary source information regarding the > three wives and the correct > children of Armstead Queen and those wives, I will gladly provide it. > > Billy > > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > From : Skip Queen[mailto:papanohair@mac.com] > Sent : 7/6/2007 5:24:34 AM > To : QUEEN-L@rootsweb.com > Cc : > Subject : RE: [QUEEN] Fwd: Charles Queen > > Looks like the info out of the History of the Queen Family. > Unfortunately I (for one) do not believe it. If all this happened > then there should be some piece of paper somewhere with some > information on it. It is my understanding not one piece of > information in the book has a paper trail agreeing with any claim, in > fact there are a lot of contradictions. Surely between Magistrate, > British Officer, shipping manifests, something should be there. > ========= > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: msbaldwin43@aol.com >> Date: July 5, 2007 9:38:51 PM EDT >> To: QUEEN-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [QUEEN] Charles Queen >> >> ? >> http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/minibios/q/queen_family.htm >> >> ? >> >> We find there are quite a number of emigrants coming to America >> from Ireland by the name of McQueen and McQuinn, and they tell us >> there are no people in Ireland by the name of just QUEEN. Now it >> was for this purpose of availing himself of entering the (1400) >> acres of land in America that caused CHARLES QUEEN and his young >> wife come to America in or near (1750), and they wended their way >> into this section of the Virginia Colony, in Harrison County of >> America, and located a homestead on the waters of Gnatty Creek at >> the mouth of Peeltree, a stream of (4) miles in length and selected >> land, later owned by old Judge Edwin S. Dunkin and at present owned >> by Porter Maxwell, and Ira Post heirs. >> >> Whether CHARLES QUEEN entered the full (1400) acres of land or not, >> is not known. If he took out a Patten for the (1400) acres of land, >> it should have been recorded in the Clerk's Office (for Pattens), >> in Richmond, Virginia, and this all came about before the >> Revolutionary War. >> >> There was a son born in 1752 to CHARLES QUEEN and his young wife >> while they were here in America, and was given the name of CHARLES >> QUEEN, JR., and they did not remain here for long in America, but >> returned to England, and CHARLES QUEEN, SR., soon died, and as it >> was the law of that country that the parents of children had to >> give their sons a trade of some kind, the mother of CHARLES >> QUEEN,JR., bound him out to the weaver's trade, and when he had >> served his time at his trade, he then had to serve time in the >> English army, so when he had reached his majority, and was a free >> man, he longed and desired to see the land of his birth, in >> America, so the son, CHARLES QUEEN, JR., returned to America in or >> near the year (1770), and took possession of the old homestead on >> Gnatty Creek at the mouth of Peeltree. At this time he was not >> married, but soon did marry Miss May Haley in 1773, a native of >> that country, and to this union (9) children were born. >> >> CHARLES QUEEN,JR., died and was buried in the old homestead in an >> orchard, east of Clarksburg and Buckhannon Highway, opposite the >> Ira Post Mansion. >> >> Of course after 1863 this land is now in the state of West >> Virginia, and the Clarksburg And Buckhannon Highway is now West >> Virginia state Rt 20 >> Joseph Queen at http://4dw.net/jqueen >> >> >> >> >> ?Sue >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _ >> __ >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's >> free from AOL at AOL.com. >> When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to >> which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your >> reply. 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