Congratulations are in order for Sue Baldwin and those working with the Maryland to Kentucky Queens and those who descend from Samuel Queen of the 1600's era. Finally, a YDNA match at the 12 marker level. However, the celebration should, perhaps, be a bit subdued for now. Rolla's note is of vital importance... "...we also know that results at the 12 marker level can be very fickle, so I strongly encourage the two DNA participants on the Group 2 line to upgrade to the 37 marker test. It will prove confirming and informational for both participant's research." Upgrades are the order of the day - kit 25551 needs to be upgraded from 25 to 37 markers. Kit 83513 needs to be upgraded from 12 to 37 markers. We have had some disappointments even with a perfect match at 12; so let's nail these down before drinking too much Mountain Dew, or whatever. FTDNA website is open 24/7, thus update orders can be placed now. Yep, rat now. Gene