March - 9 messages April - 4 messages May - 1 message thus far March 1988 - 4 messages Greetings listmates, Funeral Services will be held for Queen-L in approximately ____ days. Yep, 4 messages were posted to the list during April, which ties with 4 for March 1988. I suppose we don't have any more to share, any more research to do, anything of value to anyone to post any more. So, I suppose we should have a funeral service. Is there a minister in our group? Back in 1902 the family was getting ready to put dirt into the grave of my great grandfather, Rev. James Henry Queen. But, a family member looked up and there on his horse coming down the hill was L. D. Queen and someone spoke up, "Wait for Dee", or so the story was told to me by my great aunt - who was there as a young girl. So, let's wait for the service. I'm trying not to clutter the list as I once did; but there is more information "out there" that will help in the Queen research. I have a hunch that Samuel Queen of Md will be a topic in coming days. Old Henson Queen still deserves a close look by some of us. If we can't help ourselves, can we help others? Gene

Reports of my death are premature, Queen-L was heard to say! Don't know about the rest of you, but I have been busy. I have also got a stack of research to go through, and now re-go through based on the results that just came back, and are now posted on the webpage. I thought I had sent a message to this effect, but I realize now that it did not go to the entire list. There probably has been a lot of off-list discussion that should be done on the list so that everyone can weigh in - so it is important to realize when you hit the reply button, that you probably need to hit the Reply-All button to make sure that the Queen-L list sees the response. Anyway, new results are posted on the webspreadsheet. The results now allow us to change the status of Group 2 (Samuel Queen) to CONFIRMED - at least at the 12 marker level - based on a perfect 12 marker match. This match for Group 2 has implications for the research into the origins of Francis Queen (Group 3), since that group (me) has been chasing some old and new theories that kept open the possibility that our line may have tied back into the Samuel Queen line - but the tie has always been problematic since there is another DNA participant whose ancestry also tied into that line, and our DNA did not match. Consequently, the results for the current participant were sure to take one or the other of us in some new directions. As it stands, looks like Old Francis is still looking to break that brick wall. However, we also know that results at the 12 marker level can be very fickle, so I strongly encourage the two DNA participants on the Group 2 line to upgrade to the 37 marker test. It will prove confirming and informational for both participant's research. I will let Gene and other's more knowledgeable about these lines weigh in, as I was only beginning to explore these lines as a result of following new theories on Francis Queen's origins. For those curious, there has been a theory floating around for a while, and there is a lot of circumstantial evidence to support it, that Francis Queen may have been descended from the Washington/Maryland Queens, and for the most part some of the descendants of that line are chronicled well in the genealogies of Charles Jerningham Queen. The theory was given some weight in the sense that it turns out that there was a large migration of Marylanders in the latter half of the 1700s that settled specifically in the Brushy Mountain area of North Carolina (where Francis Queen is first found in 1778) and, indeed, many of the other lines making up my ancestry can be traced. With the current DNA results, it appears that Francis can make no claim to direct ancestry from the Samuel Queen line. It is possible that Francis Queen may have come from that area and perhaps heritage, but there can be almost no doubt now that a male Queen from that line is responsible for our DNA. We can pilfer through all the possibilities, but other than the circumstantial connection to the Marylanders and the Brushy Mountains, we have no evidence to prove or make any specific claims. We are back at square one, in some ways. So, we are keeping all avenues of research open, but the DNA question itself seems to be resolved. I encourage the two participants in Group 2 to link up and help each other. Now I will point out that I am still waiting for direct male lineage information from several DNA participants to place on the expanded webpage. I believe that providing this information will open up areas in research and help make sense of the DNA. So once again, I ask for all participants, regardless of Group or number of matches to send along that information. Gene is right, when you can't help yourself, you may be sitting on some nice tidbit that may help someone else. The list provides that work space to toss out ideas and get them shot down! Everyone should be a moving target - only way that the strong ideas survive and get passed on to the next generation! Rolla -----Original Message----- From: queen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:queen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of O. Eugene Queen Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 10:18 AM To: QResearchers Subject: [QUEEN] 9-4-1 Queen March - 9 messages April - 4 messages May - 1 message thus far March 1988 - 4 messages Greetings listmates, Funeral Services will be held for Queen-L in approximately ____ days. Yep, 4 messages were posted to the list during April, which ties with 4 for March 1988. I suppose we don't have any more to share, any more research to do, anything of value to anyone to post any more. So, I suppose we should have a funeral service. Is there a minister in our group? Back in 1902 the family was getting ready to put dirt into the grave of my great grandfather, Rev. James Henry Queen. But, a family member looked up and there on his horse coming down the hill was L. D. Queen and someone spoke up, "Wait for Dee", or so the story was told to me by my great aunt - who was there as a young girl. So, let's wait for the service. I'm trying not to clutter the list as I once did; but there is more information "out there" that will help in the Queen research. I have a hunch that Samuel Queen of Md will be a topic in coming days. Old Henson Queen still deserves a close look by some of us. If we can't help ourselves, can we help others? Gene

Hi Everyone, I'm off to visit a few spots of significance in Virginia that involve the life of my Great Grandfather John Henderson Queen. He was a private in the 3rd NC Cavalry. While reviewing my old records and numerous emails I looked closely at an email I received several years ago concerning a family story told by Pinckney Gaither Queen. He related that Noah Biggerstaff had died in the arms of John Henderson Queen at Camp Chase, Ohio. The problem I've discovered is that the dates don't add up. I've forgotten who mailed the info to me, it was probably Nancy, but I can't find her email. So if anyone can spread a bit of light on this, please drop me a line Thanks, Don Queen -- 13614 Lake Wildwood Dr Penn Valley, Ca. 95946 530-432-9520 Cell 530-277-7372

Rollo, I haven't received an Queen email lately. Hope you saw this message from Jerry. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Queen To: Sue Baldwin ; rolla.queen@charter.net ; equeen@lexcominc.net Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:21 AM Sue/Rolla/Gene, I checked the FamilytreeDNA website this morning and it is showing 04/27/2007 as the target results date for my sample (83513). - Jerry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take a break and play crossword puzzles - FREE! Play Now!

In my database, I have that Jane Newton, md. Meredith Queen in 1797. Does anyone have info on parents or siblings of her mother, Nancy McCall Newton? I'm posting below the application Nancy McCall Newton made for pension due to her husband's military service. It appears that Nancy was born about 1750 and died 12 May 1845 in Cleveland Co NC. I am very interested in the McCall connection! Linda >From Bill Navey, http://members.tripod.com/~rosters/index-24.html NANCY McCALL NEWTON RUTHERFORD COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA DECLARATION FOR PENSION OCTOBER 23, 1840 WIDOW OF CAPTAIN BENJAMIN NEWTON -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA RUTHERFORD COUNTY ON THIS 23RD DAY OF OCTOBER 1840 PERSONALLY APPEARED BEFORE ME, JAMES McNEILLY. ONE OF THE ACTING JUSTICES OF THE PEACE IN AND FOR THE COUNTY AFORSAID. NANCY NEWTON, AGE NINTY YEARS WHO BEING DULY SWORN ACCORDING TO LAW DOTH ON HER OATH MAKE THE FOLLOWING DECLARATION IN ORDER TO OBTAIN THE BENIFIT OF THE PROVISION MADE BY THE ACT OF CONGRESS PASSED JULY THE 4TH 1836. THAT SHE IS THE WIDOW OF BENJAMIN NEWTON WHO WAS A PRIVATE IN THE ARMY OF THE REVOLUTION AND LIEUTENANT IN THE ARMY OF THE REVOLUTION AND SERVED IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER AND PERIODS TO WIT. HIS FIRST TOUR OF SERVICE WAS FOR THREE MONTHS AS LIEUTENANT UNDER CAPTAIN MATTOCKS, WHOSE COLONEL WAS WILLIAM GRAHAM, THE MAJORS NAME WAS HARRINGTON. HE SERVED THREE MONTHS ON THIS TOUR. HIS NEXT TOUR OF SERVICE WAS AS A VOLUNTEER BEARING THE COMMISSION AND EXECUTING THE OFFICE OF FIRST LIEUTENANT UNDER VARIOUS OFFICERS ALL OF WHICH ARE NAMED IN HIS ORGINAL DECLARATION HEREWITH FILED AND PRAYED TO MADE A PART OF THIS DECLARATION. THIS DECLARATION STATES FURTHER THAT HE SERVED FOUR THREE MONTHS TOURS AS LIEUTENANT AFTER THE FIRST TOUR ABOVE MENTIONED. THEY WERE NOT UNDER ONE ENGAGEMENT BUT AS SOON AS ONE TERM OF SERVICE WAS EXPIRED HE WAS READY AND WILLING TO VOLUNTEER AGAIN. SHE SAID HE WAS ALMOST OUT FROM SEVENTEEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY SEVEN UNTIL SEVENTEEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY SEVEN UNTIL SEVENTEEN HUNDRED AND EIGHTY. THIS DECLARANT RECOLLECTS THAT IN THAT PERIOD HE SERVED TWELVE MONTHS AS LIEUTENANT AND THREE MONTHS AS A LIEUTENANT, OF THIS TIME WAS UNDER COL. DUDLEY SAY FROM 1777 UNTIL 1780 MAKING IN ALL FIFTEEN MONTHS AND THE FIRST THREE MONTHS UNDER GENERAL RUTHERFORD MAKES EIGHTEEN MONTHS AS FIRST LIEUTENANT. HE SERVED ALSO AS A PRIVATE UNDER MAJOR HARRIS , 2 MONTHS AT ONE PERIOD ALSO UNDER CAPTAIN JOHN CLARK, ONE MONTH AS APPEARS FROM HIS OWN DECLARATION TO WHICH REFERENCE IS HERE MADE, IN ALL TWENTY ONE MONTHS, EIGHTEEN OF WHICH WAS AS LIEUTENANT. HE WAS NEVER DRAFTED, ALWAY WAS A VOLUNTEER. THIS DECLARANT RECOLLECTS HIS HAVING HIS COMMISSIONS AND THE MANNER IN WHICH HE DESTROYED THEM, THINKING THET COULD BE ON NO USE WHATEVER. THIS DECLARANT FURTHER STATES THAT ALTHOUGH SHE WAS KNOWN TO ALL HIS SERVICES BEING MARRIED TO HIM DURING THE PERIOD OF THE REVOLUTIONARY AND PARTICIPATING IN ALL THE THINGS OF THOSE DISTRESSING TIMES, YET FROM THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF HER, HER NEVER EXPECTIONG TO BE CALLED ON TO TESTIFY AS TO THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. SHE DID NOT CHARGE HER MEMORY ABOUT THEM AND THEREFORE IT IS WHICH SHE CANNOT BE PARTICULER AS TO DATES HE SERVED UNDER COLONELS GRAHAM, DUDLY, CLEVELAND AND SUMTER AND UNDER GENERALS RUTHERFORD AND GREEN. SHE FURTHER DECLARES THAT SHE WAS MARRIED TO THE SAID BENJAMIN NEWTON ON THE TWENTY FOURTH DAY OF JANUARY SEVENTEEN HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE AS WILL APPEAR BY THE FAMILY RECORD HEREWITH ANNEXED AND FILED. THAT HER HUSBAND THE AFORSAID BENJAMIN NEWTON DIED ON THE TWENTY OF FEBRUARY 1835 AND THAT SHE THE SAID NANCY NEWTON HAS REMAINED A WIDOW EVER SINCE THAT PERIOD BY THE REFERENCE TO THE PROOF HERETO ANNEXED. SHE FURTHER STATES THAT HER HUSBAND MADE HIS DECLARATION IN HIS LIFETIME AND THE SAME WAS SENT TO THE WAR DEPARTMENT, BUT WAS SENT BACK FOR AMMENDMENTS AND FURTHER PROOF, ALL OF WHICH WAS DONE, BUT OWING TO HIS BAD HEALTH THE SAME WAS NOT SENT PM AGAIN TO WASHINGTON UNTIL HE DIED. SINCE THEN THE PAPERS HAVE BEEN IN HER POSSION. THE AMMENDMENTS AND ALL OTHER PAPERS THEREIN ARE HEREWITH FILED AND PRAYED TO BE TAKEN AS A PART OF THIS DECLARATION. ALSO THE CERTIFICATE OF MAJOR GRAHAM IS AMONG THE PROOF TO THE AMMENDED DECLARATION TO WHICH SPECIAL REFERENCE IS HERE MADE ALSO TO THE FAMILY RECORD WHICH HAS BEEN KEPT IN THE FAMILY FROM 1777 TO THE PRESENT. SHE FURTHER DECLARES THAT SHE HAS NO OTHER RECORD OR OTHER DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF HER CLAIM. SWORN TO AND SUBSRIBED BEFORE ME THE DAY AND YEAR FIRST ABOVE MENTIONED HER NANCY + NEWTON JP McNEILLY, JP JUSTICE OF THE PEACE FOR RUTHERFORD COUNTY MARK JM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EBENEZER & GEORGE NEWTON, MARGARET GOINS DECLARATION TO SUPPORT MOTHERS CLAIM. STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA CLEAVELAND COUNTY ON THIS 3RD DAY OF MARCH 1852 PERSONALLY APPEARED BEFORE THE UNDERSIGNED , A JUSTICE OF PEACE IN AND FOR SAID CLEVELAND COUNTY AND STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA. GEORGE NEWTON, AGED ABOUT SIXTY YEARS, EBENEZER NEWTON, AGED SEVENTY ONE YEARS AND MRS MARGARET GOINS, AGE ABOUT NOT STATED ALL OF WHOM ARE RESIDENTS OF SAID COUNTY AND WHOM ON THEIR OATH MAKE THE FOLLOWING DECLARATIONS IN ORDER TO RECEIVE FROM THE UNITED STATES IN RITE OF THEIR MOTHER NANCY NEWTON AS WIDOW OF THE LATE CAPTAIN BENJAMIN NEWTON AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF PENSION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ALLOWED TO THEIR MOTHER IN 1845. BEING ONLY FORTY A YEAR UNDER ACT OF CONGRESS OF 4TH JULY 1836 WHICH WAS ALLOWED TO THEIR MOTHER IN RITE OF THEIR FATHER THE SAID CAPTAIN BENJAMIN NEWTON. THE APPLICANTS WOULD THEN STATE THAT THEY ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD FROM THEIR FATHER FROM THEIR EARLEST RECOLLECTIONS THAT HE WAS IN THE SERVICE OF THE UNITED STATES DURING THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR. THAT HE FIRST ENTERED THE SERVICE AS A PRIVAT IN THE EARLY PARTS OF THE WAR AND SERVED SEVERAL MILITARY TOURS THAT HE WAS THEN PROMOTED TO AN ENSIGN AND THEN WAS PROMOTED TO LIEUTENANT, AND FROM LIEUTENANT HE WAS AN EXPRESS RIDERS AND WAS ACTING IN THIS CAPACITY FOR SOME CONSIDERABLE TIME, THAT THAT DURING OF ALL HIS SERVICE HE WAS IN LINCOLN COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA. AT AFTER HE HAD ACTED AS EXPRESS RIDE HE WAS APPOINTED OR ELECTED A CAPTAIN AND RAISED A COMPANY. WHICH COMPANY HE CONTINUED TO COMMAND FOR VARIOUS SIX MONTH TOURS. THAT THEY ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD FROM THEIR FATHER THAT HE SERVED AS CAPTAIN THE GREATER PART OF HIS TIME AND ALMOST CONSTANTLY KEPT IN SERVICE FOR THE WHOLE OF THE YEARS SEVENTEEN HUNDRED EIGHTY ONE, 1782 AND 1783. THAT HE BELONGED TO THE LINCOLN COUNTY REGIMENT, THAT HE CONTINUED TO SERVE UNTIL THE CLOSE OF THE WAR IN 1783. APPLICANTS THEREFORE BELIEVE FROM WHAT THEY ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD FROM HIM THAT HE SERVED AS LEAST AS SUCH TWO YEARS AS CAPTAIN ALSO THE VARIOUS TOURS HE SERVED AS PRIVATE, ENSIGN AND LIEUTENANT. ALTHO THEY CANNOT NOW GIVE THE PARTICULERS OF HIS SERVICE THAT THEY HAVE OFTEN HEARD HIM SAY THAT DURING HIS THE TIME HE WAS AN EXPRESS RIDER HE SWAM THE RIVERS AS MANY AS FOURTEEN TIMES AND APPLICANTS FURTHER STATE THE PREVOUS TO THEIR FATHERS DEATH HE WAS AN APPLICANT FOR PENSION, UNDER ACT 7 JUNE 1832 IN WHICH APPLICATIONS THEY SUPPOSE CONTAIN A FULL AN ACCOUNT OF HIS SERVICE AND TOWHICH THEY NOW REFER. THEY FURTHER DECLARE THAT AFTER THE DEATH OF THEIR FATHER HIS WIDOW NANCY NEWTON APPLIED FOR A PENSION IN RITE OF HER HUSBAND AND WAS IN 1845 WASA ALLOWED A PENSION OF FORTY DOLLARS AND THAT AFTER SHE HAD RECEIVED HER SAID PENSION SHE DIED IN SAID COUNTY OF CLEAVELAND ON THE 12TH DAY OF MAY 1845. THAT AT THE TIME OF HER DEATH SHE WAS STILL THE WIDOW OF THEIR FATHER THE LATE CAPTAIN BENJAMIN NEWTON AND THAT SHE LEFT THE FOLLOWNING CHILDREN, JANE QUEEN, FORMERLY JANE NEWTON, ELIZABETH McGLAMERY, EBENEZER NEWTON, MARY NEWTON, MARGARET GOINS, GEORGE NEWTON, MARY QUEEN, SINTHIA LEWIS ALL OF WHOM ARE STILL LIVING AND ARE THE ONLY SURVIVING CHILDREN OF THE SAID NANCY NEWTON AND THAT HEY THEREFORE MAKE THIS DECLARATION IN ORDER TO RECOVER AN INCREASE OF SAID PENSION FROM THE ORGINAL IN THE AMOUNT ALLOWED THEIR MOTHER FOR A YEAR TO THE FULL PAY OF A CAPTAIN OF CAVALRY AS THEY ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THJAT HE COMMANDED A LIGHT HORSE COMPANY. SWORN AND SUBSCRIBED BEFORE ME THIS DATE ABOVE WRITTEN. HIS ALFRED N. GOINS JP EBENEZER X NEWTON MARK HIS GEORGE X NEWTON MARK HER MARGARET X GOINS MARK ******************************************************************************* STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA CLEVELAND COUNTY I ALFRED N. GOINS A JUSTICE OF PEACE IN AND FOR SAID COUNTY DO HEREBY CERTIFY THAT I AM WELL AQUAINTED WITH EBENEZER NEWTON, GEORGE NEWTON AND MRS. MARGARET GOINS. WHO HAS THIS DAY APPEARED AND UNDER OATH TO THE ABOVE DECLARATION FEFORE ME. THAT THEY ARE PERSONS OF TRUTH AND VERSITY AND THAT FULL FAITH AND CREDIT IS DUE AND OUGHT TO BE GIVEN TO THEIR STATEMENTS AND I FURTHER TESTIFY THAT THEY ARE THE CHILDREN OF NANCY NEWTON THE IDENTICAL NANCY NEWTON WHO WAS A PENSIONER OF THE UNITED STATES AT THE RATE OF $40 A YEAR AND THAT SHE DIED IN THIS COUNTY ON 12 MAY 1845 INVENTORY WHOSE OF I SUBMIT SET MY HAND AND SEAL ALFRED GOINS JP ******************************************************************************************************* KNOWN ALL MEM BY THOSE PRESENCE THAT WE EBENEZER NEWTON GEORGE NEWTON AND MARGARET GOINS OF CLEVELAND COUNTY AND STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA DO HEREBY APPOINT WM. E. JONES OF NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE OUR TRUE AND LAWFUL ATTORNEY RE FACT AND IN OUR NAMES TO PROSECUTE AND RECOVER FROM THE UNITED STATES THE AMOUNT OF PENSION THAT IS DUE AND COMING US IN RITE OF OUR MOTHER NANCY NEWTON THE WIDOWN OF CAPT BENJAMIN NEWTON AND HEREBY CONFIGURE ALL THE ACTS AND DEEDS OF OUR SAID ON THE PROMISE OF VIRTURE OF US HEAR TRANSFERED TO HIM, SET OUR HANDS AND SEALED THIS 31 DAY OF MARCH 1852 EBENEZER NEWTON GEORGE NEWTON MARGARET GOINS THEIR MARKS SIGNED SEALTED AND DELIVERED IN PRESENSE OF US EBENEZER NEWTON W. M. McGLAMORY ******************************************************************************* STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA CLEVELAND COUNTY BE I KNOWN THAT ON THIS 31 DAY MARCH 1852 PERSONALLY APPEARED BEFORE THE UNDERSIGNED A JUSTICE OF PEACE IN AND FOR SAID COUNTY EBENEZER NEWTON GEORGE NEWTON AND MARGARET GOINS WITH WHOM I AM PERSONALLY AQUAINTED AND WHO KNOWLY BE THESE SET AND SIGNED FOR THE PURPOSE HEREIN CONTAINED. WITNESS MY HAND AND SEAL DATE ABOVE. ALFRED N. GOINS JP

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carmaskid Surnames: Clements, Queen, Kidwell, Wampler, Miles Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.queen/426.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you received any replies to this message? I think that Basil & Manerva Clements were the aunt and uncle of my g-grandfather, Basil Clements, who married Edna Alice Wampler in 1899. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

If Barbara or Bob receive this, please, please contact me regarding TBJ Queen. I need help in lighting a fire. Stephen Queen researchers - it's time for a pow-wow. Need a volunteer to obtain a male Queen scalp from this lineage. Oops, I mean scraping. I have directions for the ponies. Other listmates, roll over and go back to sleep. Gene

I have revised the colorful lineage version of the websheet to remove any speculative ancestral connections it may have contained. I found that some folks were getting confused, and some folks assumed that because we made a tentative connection based on circumstantial evidence, that it must be fact. In reality all we were trying to do was help a little. So any colored blocks or names that were added to a specific lineage that were speculative have been removed. What we want on the websheet is the most distant ancestor for which you have documentary evidence. The DNA can tell us a lot, but it can't tell us if you just guessing or how you know what you know. So if anyone wants me to change anything on the websheet regarding any implication that someone is or isn't your last confirmed ancestor, please let me know so that I can change things before anyone gets more confused. I'm confused just trying to unconfuse things! We also need lineages for the following kits . . . 25569 24845 24082 22029 24723 48402 73107 What I need is direct male ancestry back from the donor (who can remain nameless, identified only by kit number) to the most distant confirmed ancestor. Please provide a year of birth, or circa data, for each individual. If we can get this information, we can fill out the remaining blanks in the Group 1 Queen DNA study information. And the rest of us Queens out there that ain't Group 1, time to pony up. Been resting on your laurels, time to get some info into command central. Got to get out of the doldrums! Darn them Heels!!!!!!!! Rolla

Rolla asked what does this mean to the '19's. Don't think I have any wisdom either - but I love puzzles. Have been looking at William Lewis Queen Sr. 1749 descendent dna samples. As I see it here is what we have. Kit 38694 - William L Jr. 1774 Line, - marker 464c - 16 Kit 25626 - Meredith 1775, line through John and Cynthia - 17 Kit 24082 - James Queen 1777 - 17 Kit 29459 - Joseph H. 1794 - 17 Kit 26040 - Moses 1781 - 16 So gang - I can't tell you what this means to the '19's, cause first off I either have wrong boys for William Lewis Sr, wrong kit numbers, something. Say William Lewis Sr. had the 17, the odds of him having two sons that end up with 16 - slim but it could happen - right? I was all excited at first thinking we had found a way to definitely split off William Lewis Sr. clan - which would eliminate any possibility that the '19' showed up with an unknown son of William Lewis Sr. - but it doesn't look like that. Ok Gene, Rolla and clan - what do you think - what have I done wrong or right? Glenda

Hi all, I was reviewing the DNA results of John W. Queen of 1816. I am a big dummy when it comes to DNA. Has anyone got any conclusions about his relationship to James Campbell Queen? Carol

Gene seems to think I have some special wisdom. I got squat! I am just a young whippersnapper, to young to have wisdom. I got lots of bluster and opinion, however. But first! How bout them HEELS!!! Now, as Gene has said, I have just posted revised results for kit 38694. The 37-67 marker results reported by FTDNA were in ERROR. It has been corrected and we can now place this participant firmly in the family tree he belongs. We have an interesting development between kits 38694, 26040, 26983 and 35107. If you look at the lineage version of the websheet, you can see how I have grouped this participants pretty easily. But what does it mean? How do we explain these results - are things as easy and obvious as they appear? Well, we might be able to state a few obvious things. It appears that these four participants represent descendants of at least two brothers, sons of William Queen. The sons are Samuel and William Lewis. The William Lewis Queen connections seems pretty solid, since two participants share the same "16" mutation on marker 464c. And it appears to support the documentary record for at least one of the partipants. The descendant participants tracing back to Samuel are a little more interesting. One shares a 17 with the majority of the Group 1 Queens, the other has a 15. a two step difference. But clearly, the documentary record for these two participants supports a common ancestor back to Samuel, and a close lineal relationship for these two participants. But the sequence of the mutations may not be as straightforward as it seems. There are actually a couple of ways or more to explain the results and get the same outcome, but each explanation has implications for the larger Group 1 Queens. The obvious interpretation is that 38694 and 26040 are more closely related than they are two 26983 and 35107. But that leaves the two step mutation from 35107 to 26983 and little problematic to explain, but not unreasonable. It might seem an obvious statement that 35107 shares the 17 with the larger group, and perhaps Old William, the 16 develops later for William Lewis descendants, and the 15 separately develops down the line through Samuel. But I have argued in the past that one should dismiss the simplest solutions first before moving on to more complex explanations. The classic DNA explanation would look to try to explain the sequence beginning with the 17, then stepping down through the 16 to the 15 - sort of like this: 17---->16----->15 Is there anyway we can dismiss this explanation given the result we see. Is there any possible way that the following explanation could hold water. 15--->16--->17 Is it possible that the 15 is the ancestral marker, and we see an upward migration leading to a 17 shared by most of the descendants of Old William? How does that square with the 19/20 split? Just thinking off the top of old baldy! Answer me these things! Rolla -----Original Message----- From: queen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:queen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of O. Eugene Queen Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 6:32 PM To: QResearchers Subject: [QUEEN] Reuben and James C. Queen Revised YDNA results are in on one sample and it's my opinion that some of the Reuben Queen folks and James C. Queen folks should take a careful look. I truly be quiet and not steal any of Rolla's thunder when he updates his chart; but if he doesn't share some observations and possibilities....well, then, he's lost his touch. I'll be watching the posts to see how this unfolds, but I be silent. Gene

Revised YDNA results are in on one sample and it's my opinion that some of the Reuben Queen folks and James C. Queen folks should take a careful look. I truly be quiet and not steal any of Rolla's thunder when he updates his chart; but if he doesn't share some observations and possibilities....well, then, he's lost his touch. I'll be watching the posts to see how this unfolds, but I be silent. Gene

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: daddysgirlcll115_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.queen/466.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: posted a earler message. have know e-mail address. i am related to edward queen. my grandmother was alberta mazie queen. canyou help with what info you have. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Yes Gene, I have made Hominey with the help of Tal's Aunt Cleo.I wrote a story about It but it is in cursive .I will send as soon as I can get it on the computer.However it sounds like you have it 'down pretty well pat' .Betty

We made hominy a few years ago. To my best memory you pretty much have it down pat. We rubbed it through our hands to help take the hull off. Then rinsed it many times. It was better than store bought. But things you do yourself are always better. I am happy to say I enjoy the old ways. I am willing to learn most of them. We made molasses last year. I cooked for my first time and I really enjoyed it. We have taken it to someone for the last 3 years. I had a cousin that stayed with me and taught me. He had not cooked for 45 years. But he said it all came back. Shelia ----- Original Message ----- From: O. Eugene Queen To: QResearchers Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: [QUEEN] Hominy Approximately 55 years ago my mom made a "batch" of yellow corn hominy. It was shelled yellow field corn that was boiled (or something) for some period of time and I believe that wood ashes may have been in the kettle or pot. Seems that the ashes were helpful in removing the hull(?) from the kernel. I do not remember if the hominy tasted good; but I buy a can of "store-bought" on occasion. Wife won't eat it, but it's different and I eat it just because. Yes, I'm "into" doing some things that older Queens did decades ago, and maybe some to this very day. Hope so, anyway. Anyone know exactly how to make hominy? Doesn't have to taste like Del Monte, or whatever, but must be real hominy. Thanks, Gene When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/listowners TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/listowners > http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm > > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for More Information on Elijah Christenberry Queen who Married Margaret Jane Watts Elijah Served in The CSA out of Forsyth Co., Georgia Lived in Georgia and Alabama Born in North Carolina According to Census Records he is Buried in Galilee Christian Church Cemetery in Jackson County Georgia His Parents are John Queen and Mary E Martin any Help with Descendants and information on his Parents would be Greatly Appreciated <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Some time ago I inquired concerning a willing donor with a "20" on 520 and a perfect match to the old William Queen sample. The plan was to send a few samples to an alternate YDNA lab that offered testing on about 10 different locations on the Y chromosome than is offered by our preferred lab. The results are now in on the three samples (one with the 20 and two with the 19). There was no mutation in any of the samples on the additional markers, nor on the other markers included in our 67 marker tests. Thus, this is another stone that has been turned over with no real increase in knowledge. Wanted to share the info with our group and to thank those who volunteered to participate - and those who did. In my opinion there is no benefit in further testing using the alternate lab. Gene

There are stories told by the family about Myra QUEEN, daughter of Stephen QUEEN and Sarah STEWART, wife of John Harrison HUGHES that have always made me think she was one hell of a woman also. Daddy told how John HUGHES was always deserting the Union Army to check on the family at home. He told how he and a *companion* were headed back to Cherokee Co in Dec. When they came to the rivere [I assume he was talking about Tennesee River] it was cold, they were tired and the river was frozen. So they piled branches, etc in the middle of the river to look like brush caught up in the freeze. They crawled inside this *lean to* to sleep a bit. While they were sleeping there was a good snow that covered their hiding place completely, so they stayed there and just slept for a couple of days. I found out later that this companion had to be Grandma Myra. She went WITH her husband when he went to war. After they got there, they found out that there would be no rations for Grandma Myra. So in December Grandpa John got permission to take her home. According to the war records, home was her parents house on the GA-NC border. He never returned, says the roads were being patrolled by Thomas' Legion and he couldn't get through to get back. They charged him with the army carbine and horse he left with. They say he hid in the hills and Grandma Myra carried food to him. He came down every so often to check on her as well. One day while he was at the cabin, they saw a Union patrol headed for the house. Grandpa John didn't have time to leave and there was no place to hide in the house. So the story goes that Grandma Myra had him get down on all fours, sat on his back with her skirts covering him and calmly set on her *stool* and churned butter while the soldiers searched the house for Grandpa John. These are stories told to my Dad by Grandma Myra who died when Daddy was 18, at the age of 90. ----- Original Message ----- From: "O. Eugene Queen" <EQueen@Lexcominc.net> To: "QResearchers" <QUEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: [QUEEN] From NC Museum of History > ..................now you know, as if ya didn't already. > > Don't mess with North Carolina wimmin. > > Gene

1862 March 20: Sarah Malinda Pritchard Blalock cuts her hair, dons men's clothing, and enlists with her husband in the Confederate army, becoming North Carolina's only known female Civil War soldier. 1863 March 18: During what has become known as the Salisbury Bread Riot, several dozen women armed with axes and hatchets storm speculators' stores demanding flour, molasses, and salt in Salisbury. When shop owners refuse to turn over the goods, the women take them by force. ..................now you know, as if ya didn't already. Don't mess with North Carolina wimmin. Gene

Approximately 55 years ago my mom made a "batch" of yellow corn hominy. It was shelled yellow field corn that was boiled (or something) for some period of time and I believe that wood ashes may have been in the kettle or pot. Seems that the ashes were helpful in removing the hull(?) from the kernel. I do not remember if the hominy tasted good; but I buy a can of "store-bought" on occasion. Wife won't eat it, but it's different and I eat it just because. Yes, I'm "into" doing some things that older Queens did decades ago, and maybe some to this very day. Hope so, anyway. Anyone know exactly how to make hominy? Doesn't have to taste like Del Monte, or whatever, but must be real hominy. Thanks, Gene