Okay, it's been "weeks later" since my e-mail of last night. So here's the bomb. Reuben Queen and James C. Queen researchers, and all others who will, click on Rolla's link to his spreadsheet and check out kits 25569, 37863 and 29369. I recommend the short version. Focus on the mutations and what we know about how these suckers work. Pay special attention to 18 on 456. Then 12 on 391. No cheating, no looking anywhere else for a "missing" relative. Just focus on these three sample results with minimum attention to the names. http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm What possible conclusions do you draw from these three samples? Thanks, Gene

Hey. I got it! -----Original Message----- From: queen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:queen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of O. Eugene Queen Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:47 PM To: 'QResearchers' Subject: Re: [QUEEN] Reuben/James Queen - What's Up? Testing to see if this comes thru the list. Did anyone get the first one? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rolla Queen" <rolla.queen@charter.net> To: "'O Eugene Queen'" <EQueen@lexcominc.net>; "'QResearchers'" <QUEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: RE: [QUEEN] Reuben/James Queen - What's Up? > While you all are following Gene's lead, in making some of the updates, I > noticed that I have both kits 26040 and 25569 tracing back to a James C. > Queen, one listed as birth date 1806, and the other 1805. And to > complicate > things, I have kit 26040 going back to Moses Queen (1781), but the > original > ancestry information I was given for the spreadsheet had Moses birth year > at > 1805. Clearly, something is amiss here, so let's get it corrected. > > Are these two James C. Queens the same person? If so, let's make the > connection. What is the correct birth year that each of these kits are > reporting? And what is the correct birth year for Moses. Is Moses the > confirmed last ancestor for 26060, and if so, if both James are one in the > same person, would not Moses also be the ancestor for both lines? > > Please set me straight!! > > Rolla > > > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/listowners TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/listowners > http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm > > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM

While you all are following Gene's lead, in making some of the updates, I noticed that I have both kits 26040 and 25569 tracing back to a James C. Queen, one listed as birth date 1806, and the other 1805. And to complicate things, I have kit 26040 going back to Moses Queen (1781), but the original ancestry information I was given for the spreadsheet had Moses birth year at 1805. Clearly, something is amiss here, so let's get it corrected. Are these two James C. Queens the same person? If so, let's make the connection. What is the correct birth year that each of these kits are reporting? And what is the correct birth year for Moses. Is Moses the confirmed last ancestor for 26060, and if so, if both James are one in the same person, would not Moses also be the ancestor for both lines? Please set me straight!! Rolla

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tqueen177 Surnames: Queen Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.queen/289.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm a descendent of Avery Butler Queen and am interested in sharing info. Please contact me at tqueen@our-town.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

OK. Queen listers. I just posted a new webspreadsheet for the Queen results with a revised lineage sheet http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarkerlineage.htm What is new is that I have added some twists and revisions to the display of the lineage data to make the thing look more generational than it was. What you will see are the direct male ancestors for a specific male DNA donor as reported to me. You will notice that between some individuals there may be one or may blank white spaces. These can be ignored. What I am trying to do is sort of match up the folks who are born with a certain time range - or generational range. But for some of these, I have place a solid black fill. This means that the age range between the two individuals on the direct line is outside the norm, and we need to confirm that, hypothetically speaking, an 80 year old man did father the next person in the line. Or we need to make sure I have entered the correct birth years for these ancestors. You will notice that I have reorganized some of the groupings of individuals within Group 1 to stir the brain cells and put some possibilities on the table. So if your ancestor don't be liken' who he be sittin' next to, then you better come at me with something stronger than "Dagnabbit!, That can't be right!" Bring some data to boot! I am also asking for FTDNA to answer a few questions about the interpretation of the 464 marker set, which I think we may be looking at incorrectly, and mutations there may hold the key to some larger questions. I will also point out that there are several donors for whom I have no direct male ancestry at all - and this does cripple the overall analysis, especially for Group 1 at this point. Since I am not in Group 1, I guess I should care not, but I have grown accustomed to you guys, mutations and all, and I think it would be a great story if we could piece all these various threads together into a cohesive story. I feel we are only one or two donors and mutations away from a breakthrough here! So let's get that information in so I can include it in the spreadsheet. As for the rest of us mutants, just because we don't got lots of matches, don't mean we shouldn't be trying to answer some questions. Let's not shrug shoulders and walk away. The answers are out there. We just need to keep scratching and sniffing till something smells! Rolla

If we haven't thoroughly done so, I'm recommending that we consider the possibility that donor of kit 26040 (James C. Queen descendant?) and kit 38694 (Wm L. Queen, Jr. descendant?) have matching mutations on 464c for a reason. A "common ancestor" reason. Further, I'm recommending that we exclude donor of kit 25569 (James C. Queen descendant?) from being as closely related as are donors of kits 26040 and 38694 above. (Spin #2, to come weeks later, will place kit 25569 somewhere else.) Can we rule out the possibility of a tree up the line with a branch for the 26040 lineage and the 38694 lineage? 38694: Wm L. Queen, Jr. of 1774? ..James Smith Queen of 1819? ....John M. Queen of 1848 (d. 1934) - yes ......James A. Queen of 1873 - yes ........Robert C. Queen of 1893 - yes ..........Donor (born 1934) kit 38694 Can probably dig up a death certificate of John Merritt Queen (d. 1934) and document the lineage back to James Smith Queen of 1819. However, cannot guarantee that Wm L. Queen, Jr. was the father of James Smith Queen. How far back can donor of 26040 document lineage and what is the earliest documented ancestor? Let's spin her around for possibilities. Thanks, Gene

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Whitebuffalo5301 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.queen/215.302.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Who is Elihu's mother. Andrew Jackson Queen married my great-grandmother Melissa Ann Cavins. You can email me direct at Whitebuffalo530@aol.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

*Does anyone claim Jonas and Moses ?* ** *QUEEN, JONAS* - Born in Burke County where he resided as a farmer prior to enlisting at age 17 on September 22, 1862. Discharged at Danville, VA., July 31, 1863 by reason of "pthysis pulmonalis, great general debility & nonage." Later reenlisted in this company and was captured near Petersburg, VA., March 25, 1865. Confined at Point Lookout, MD, until released June 17, 1865, after taking the Oath of Allegiance. *QUEEN, MOSES*- Enlisted in Burke County at age 26, September 22, 1862. Died at Richmond, VA., March 26, 1863 of "enteritis." -- Don Queen

Part of my planned Confederate Battlefield tour this fall will include Malvern Hill, near Richmond VA. John Henderson Queen fought on horseback with the 3rd NC Regiment at Malvern Hill. We know that Noah Biggerstaff met with John Henderson Queen before the battle. Both men were farmers from Burke County NC. JHQ promised Noah that he would take care of Noah's wife and children if Noah didn't survive. Noah was captured and died at Camp Chase MD. JHQ was captured later on and was eventually discharged from Point Lookout MD after taking an oath to the Union at the end of the war. JHQ walked home to NC and after a short courtship, he married Noah's widow, adopted her daughters and went on to have several more children including my Great Grandfather Joseph Jackson Queen. James Queen also fought at Malvern Hill. JHQ came upon his wounded brother James and told him that he would come for him after the battle. When JHQ returned James was dead. Here is a short excerpt from "Malvern Hill - The Last of the Seven Days" by Daniel Moran *Brigadier General Roswell S. Ripley's brigade the 3rd North Carolina Infantry first engaged when it was reported that another Confederate Infantry regiment was in their front. The 3rd Infantry regiment was ordered to lie down and take the federal pounding the best they could. While suffering from various rounds of Federal Artillery they had also taken in musketry from the rear. Moving by the left flank as the right of the line was being ordered to fall back. This was not heard by the men of the 3rd North Carolina however, and they paid dearly, their colonel taking a shell fragment to the head, dying with twenty three others.* -- Don Queen

May the good Lord bless and keep you forever. Betty

Greetings Sue Baldwin and all, Sue, I've snipped a bit of data from one of your e-mail posts to Queen-L back in February. Are you free to share with Queen-L the ancestral lineage below of the YDNA donor of this lineage? Perhaps we can begin pecking away at trying to find the possible connection to old Samuel Queen of Md and to the other donor descendant. Thanks, Gene JAMES M QUEEN born 1820 in Ky.or IN. Died Nov, 1862 in Danville, Ky. James M.Queen is stated to have been born in Ky or Indiana depending onwhose account you read. He was born in 1820. He apparently came to Brown Towship, Martin Co, In as a young man and married at age 19 to Mary Magdalen Strange. They had two children: Joseph born in 1841 and William Ignatius born in May 1845. James then married Priscilla Miles and had eight more children.He was in the Army during the Civil War. He enrolled on the 14thday of August 1862 at Loogootee in Co "B" 80th Regiment ofIndiana Volunteers to service as a Private on the thrid day ofSeptember 1862 in Princeton in Co B 80th Regiment of Indiana.Volunteers to serve Three years on during the war. On the MustorRoll of Co. "B" of the Regiment , for the months of Sept. Oct.Nov, Dec Han , Feb March, Month of March 1863, he is reported Died of Disease at Danville, Ky Nov 20th 1862. This is from hisPension Record filed by his wife Priscilla Miles Queen . Age 29, Perry, Martin, IN, 1850 census. James M. Queen (b. 1820 d. 11-1862 Danville, KY) m. 1st Mary Strange children: Joseph Queen (b. 1841) William Ignatius Queen (b. 5-1845) m. Cecila Kidwell ..Mary Magdalen Queen ..Malinda Ellen Queen ..John William Queen m. Lillian Greenwell ..Celia Ann Queen ..Joseph Patrick Queen (b. 1-22-1872 Martin Co., IN d. 1962 Washington, Daviess Co., IN) .....m. 1st Mary E. Beckley .....m. 2d Henrietta Clements ..James Richard Queen (b. 1875 Washington, Daviess Co. IN) ..Rebecca A. Queen (b. 4-1-1880 Martin Co., IN d. 8-20-1945 Washington, Daviess Co., IN) m. John Ash James M. Queen (b. 1820 d. 11-1862) m. 2d Priscilla Miles ( b. 4-17-1828 d.7-16-1896) children: James C. Queen Melinda Ellen Queen Richard M. Queen, b. 22 Jun 1849; d. 22 Jul 1907. John Owen Queen, b. 27 Mar 1851; d. 08 Apr 1931. Mary Magdaline Queen, b. 05 Oct 1852; d. 1853. Sarah E. Queen, b. 29 Mar 1856; d. 19 Feb 1938. Thomas A. Queen, b. 23 Mar 1858, Miles Settlement, Martin county, IN; d. 01 Jan 1924, Martin county, IN.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: doetschma Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.queen/215.302.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Andrew Jackson "AJ" Queen was my great grandfather too. He had a son Elihu who would have been my grandfather and his son Leslie was my father. I have just recently started to research the Queen family. How are you related to AJ? How far back have you been able to trace? I got as far as his father, John E. Queen. I don't have much yet, but am willing to share what I do have. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Just wanted to let everyone know that my cousin has just been accepted into the DAR. We are descended from Wm. Lewis Queen Sr. through his daughter, Virginia Jane "Jennie:" Queen who md. Joshua Hall Jr. Congratulations, Hope! Linda

Having a hard time getting this message to send...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol A. Queen To: queen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Georgia Deaths A. Queen 08 Mar 1923 Polk J. C. Queen 01 Feb 1923 Hall Mrs. Sophrona Queen 13 Feb 1920 Fulton Fannie M. Queen 28 Jul 1923 Rabun Mrs. J. A. Queen 29 Oct 1920 Fannin Shirley Queen 12 Feb 1920 Fulton Louise L. Queen 05 May 1920 Cobb Rubie Queen 20 Oct 1920 Fannin J. Levy Queen 18 Dec 1920 Barrow Rubie Queen 20 Oct 1920 Fannin Inf. Of J. L. Queen 09 Jul 1920 Douglas M. A. Queen 17 Aug 1920 Fulton

Joe Queen 26 May 1923 Franklin Joseph Queen 25 Dec 1923 Baldwin Mary C. Queen 24 Jan 1923 Fulton John Queen 31 Dec 1923 Fulton Inf. of Jessie M. Queen 23 Oct 1924 Fulton Ethel E. Queen 27 Mar 1924 Dougherty John Queen 16 Jul 1924 Catoosa Nolan Queen 09 Jun 1924 Cobb Mary Queen 12 Jan 1925 Barrow Lou A. Queen 02 Jul 1925 Douglas Myrtle L. Queen 11 Aug 1925 Cobb Mrs. Nancy L. Queen 16 Apr 1925 Fulton Mrs. Ruth Queen 04 Oct 1925 Madison Alvin H. Queen 18 Jul 1926 Fulton Cecil Queen 02 Jul 1926 Fannin Bessie F. Queen 04 Sep 1926 Douglas Havannah Queen 14 Feb 1926 Quitman Mrs. Mary Queen 21 Sep 1926 Douglas Mrs. Mary E. Queen 18 Aug 1926 Baldwin Mrs. S. M. Queen 15 Jul 1926 Fulton T. N. Queen 18 Feb 1926 Hall Sarah Queen 12 Feb 1926 Walton Annie M. Queen 25 May 1927 Cobb James G. Queen 21 Apr 1927 Walton Mrs. Nancy Queen 19 Nov 1927 DeKalb James H. Queen 26 Aug 1927 Hall Tonley Queen 17 Aug 1927 Dougherty W. J. Queen 14 Aug 1927 Walton Inf of Will Queen 23 Sep 1927 Cherokee William Queen 21 Dec 1927 Fannin William E. Queen 20 Apr 1927 Whitfield J. F. Queen 06 Oct 1928 Baldwin Isic W. Queen 09 Sep 1928 Fannin Jim Queen, Jr. 23 Oct 1928 Randolph John Queen 09 Aug 1928 Fulton Nelie Queen 03 Jun 1928 Cobb

A. Queen 08 Mar 1923 Polk J. C. Queen 01 Feb 1923 Hall Mrs. Sophrona Queen 13 Feb 1920 Fulton Fannie M. Queen 28 Jul 1923 Rabun Mrs. J. A. Queen 29 Oct 1920 Fannin Shirley Queen 12 Feb 1920 Fulton Louise L. Queen 05 May 1920 Cobb Rubie Queen 20 Oct 1920 Fannin J. Levy Queen 18 Dec 1920 Barrow Rubie Queen 20 Oct 1920 Fannin Inf. Of J. L. Queen 09 Jul 1920 Douglas M. A. Queen 17 Aug 1920 Fulton

Congratulations are in order for Sue Baldwin and those working with the Maryland to Kentucky Queens and those who descend from Samuel Queen of the 1600's era. Finally, a YDNA match at the 12 marker level. However, the celebration should, perhaps, be a bit subdued for now. Rolla's note is of vital importance... "...we also know that results at the 12 marker level can be very fickle, so I strongly encourage the two DNA participants on the Group 2 line to upgrade to the 37 marker test. It will prove confirming and informational for both participant's research." Upgrades are the order of the day - kit 25551 needs to be upgraded from 25 to 37 markers. Kit 83513 needs to be upgraded from 12 to 37 markers. We have had some disappointments even with a perfect match at 12; so let's nail these down before drinking too much Mountain Dew, or whatever. FTDNA website is open 24/7, thus update orders can be placed now. Yep, rat now. Gene

Joe Queen 26 May 1923 Franklin Joseph Queen 25 Dec 1923 Baldwin Mary C. Queen 24 Jan 1923 Fulton John Queen 31 Dec 1923 Fulton Inf. of Jessie M. Queen 23 Oct 1924 Fulton Ethel E. Queen 27 Mar 1924 Dougherty John Queen 16 Jul 1924 Catoosa Nolan Queen 09 Jun 1924 Cobb Mary Queen 12 Jan 1925 Barrow Lou A. Queen 02 Jul 1925 Douglas Myrtle L. Queen 11 Aug 1925 Cobb Mrs. Nancy L. Queen 16 Apr 1925 Fulton Mrs. Ruth Queen 04 Oct 1925 Madison Alvin H. Queen 18 Jul 1926 Fulton Cecil Queen 02 Jul 1926 Fannin Bessie F. Queen 04 Sep 1926 Douglas Havannah Queen 14 Feb 1926 Quitman Mrs. Mary Queen 21 Sep 1926 Douglas Mrs. Mary E. Queen 18 Aug 1926 Baldwin Mrs. S. M. Queen 15 Jul 1926 Fulton T. N. Queen 18 Feb 1926 Hall Sarah Queen 12 Feb 1926 Walton Annie M. Queen 25 May 1927 Cobb James G. Queen 21 Apr 1927 Walton Mrs. Nancy Queen 19 Nov 1927 DeKalb James H. Queen 26 Aug 1927 Hall Tonley Queen 17 Aug 1927 Dougherty W. J. Queen 14 Aug 1927 Walton Inf of Will Queen 23 Sep 1927 Cherokee William Queen 21 Dec 1927 Fannin William E. Queen 20 Apr 1927 Whitfield J. F. Queen 06 Oct 1928 Baldwin Isic W. Queen 09 Sep 1928 Fannin Jim Queen, Jr. 23 Oct 1928 Randolph John Queen 09 Aug 1928 Fulton Nelie Queen 03 Jun 1928 Cobb

For some reason, I received this msg from Rolla, but not Queen-L with tag line to Rolla's updated chart, thus am forwarding to list. Please forgive if it's a duplicate. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rolla Queen" <rolla.queen@charter.net> To: "'O Eugene Queen'" <EQueen@lexcominc.net>; "'QResearchers'" <QUEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: RE: [QUEEN] 9-4-1 Queen > Reports of my death are premature, Queen-L was heard to say! > > Don't know about the rest of you, but I have been busy. I have also got a > stack of research to go through, and now re-go through based on the > results > that just came back, and are now posted on the webpage. > > I thought I had sent a message to this effect, but I realize now that it > did > not go to the entire list. There probably has been a lot of off-list > discussion that should be done on the list so that everyone can weigh in - > so it is important to realize when you hit the reply button, that you > probably need to hit the Reply-All button to make sure that the Queen-L > list > sees the response. > > Anyway, new results are posted on the webspreadsheet. The results now > allow > us to change the status of Group 2 (Samuel Queen) to CONFIRMED - at least > at > the 12 marker level - based on a perfect 12 marker match. This match for > Group 2 has implications for the research into the origins of Francis > Queen > (Group 3), since that group (me) has been chasing some old and new > theories > that kept open the possibility that our line may have tied back into the > Samuel Queen line - but the tie has always been problematic since there is > another DNA participant whose ancestry also tied into that line, and our > DNA > did not match. Consequently, the results for the current participant were > sure to take one or the other of us in some new directions. As it stands, > looks like Old Francis is still looking to break that brick wall. > > However, we also know that results at the 12 marker level can be very > fickle, so I strongly encourage the two DNA participants on the Group 2 > line > to upgrade to the 37 marker test. It will prove confirming and > informational > for both participant's research. > > I will let Gene and other's more knowledgeable about these lines weigh in, > as I was only beginning to explore these lines as a result of following > new > theories on Francis Queen's origins. > > For those curious, there has been a theory floating around for a while, > and > there is a lot of circumstantial evidence to support it, that Francis > Queen > may have been descended from the Washington/Maryland Queens, and for the > most part some of the descendants of that line are chronicled well in the > genealogies of Charles Jerningham Queen. The theory was given some weight > in > the sense that it turns out that there was a large migration of > Marylanders > in the latter half of the 1700s that settled specifically in the Brushy > Mountain area of North Carolina (where Francis Queen is first found in > 1778) > and, indeed, many of the other lines making up my ancestry can be traced. > > With the current DNA results, it appears that Francis can make no claim to > direct ancestry from the Samuel Queen line. It is possible that Francis > Queen may have come from that area and perhaps heritage, but there can be > almost no doubt now that a male Queen from that line is responsible for > our > DNA. We can pilfer through all the possibilities, but other than the > circumstantial connection to the Marylanders and the Brushy Mountains, we > have no evidence to prove or make any specific claims. We are back at > square > one, in some ways. So, we are keeping all avenues of research open, but > the > DNA question itself seems to be resolved. > > I encourage the two participants in Group 2 to link up and help each > other. > > Now I will point out that I am still waiting for direct male lineage > information from several DNA participants to place on the expanded > webpage. > I believe that providing this information will open up areas in research > and > help make sense of the DNA. > > So once again, I ask for all participants, regardless of Group or number > of > matches to send along that information. > > Gene is right, when you can't help yourself, you may be sitting on some > nice > tidbit that may help someone else. The list provides that work space to > toss > out ideas and get them shot down! Everyone should be a moving target - > only > way that the strong ideas survive and get passed on to the next > generation! > > Rolla

A. Queen 08 Mar 1923 Polk J. C. Queen 01 Feb 1923 Hall Mrs. Sophrona Queen 13 Feb 1920 Fulton Fannie M. Queen 28 Jul 1923 Rabun Mrs. J. A. Queen 29 Oct 1920 Fannin Shirley Queen 12 Feb 1920 Fulton Louise L. Queen 05 May 1920 Cobb Rubie Queen 20 Oct 1920 Fannin J. Levy Queen 18 Dec 1920 Barrow Rubie Queen 20 Oct 1920 Fannin Inf. Of J. L. Queen 09 Jul 1920 Douglas M. A. Queen 17 Aug 1920 Fulton