Hi Rita, Jerry and all, I received the following information from Missi Croker who posted to QUEEN-L back in March regarding John Queen and Catherine Lowery. (Missi, I hope you don't mind my reprinting your info here!). Don't know how this all connects, but hopefully something will click for someone. John and Catherine later had a son whose name has been transcribed on the Union County Website census as Buckhead. However, Missi and I question if this should read "Bankhead", and is in fact Missi's ancestor "Banks" Queen mentioned below. I added the info within brackets [ ] for clarification. Regards, Diane Carney ******************************************************************* Missi Croker wrote: "I received this info from another researcher, so I don't have the household numbers or anything... 1860 Cherokee County NC: John Queen 27 [s/o James C. Queen] Catherine [Lowery] 26 Mary [Louisa?] 6 John A. 5 Elizabeth 3 Mary 1 (Yes, two Mary's) Next household: Nancy Queen 38 Jerry 18 Mary 11 Harvey 9 Jane 5 Jonas 2 Next household: William Queen 23 [s/o James C. Queen] Fanny [Cox] 23 Next household: Henson Queen 59 Zilpha 50 David 21 Martha 19 John 17 Catherine 14 Charity 12 Franklin 5 I don't know if the researcher meant by Next Household that these households were really next to one another, or it was the next Queen household she found. I tend to believe, due to the connections that I know of these families, that they were all next door neighbors. The Nancy listed above, if I recall correctly her maiden name was York, but she was the widow of Henson Queen, who I think was the son of the Henson and Zilpha listed here (its been awhile since I've looked at my records, but I'm pretty sure this is correct). Anyway, her son, Jonas, married Rachel Louisa "Lou" Martin... Lou's sister, Mary "Mollie" Martin, married my "Banks" Queen, in 1881 in Cherokee Co NC. " RITAB wrote: > Am curious about all these postings although I can't connect to any of these > as yet. Except for my own line, this is the first time I recall seeing the > name York associated with the Queen name. I am particularly interested > since my gggrandmother was Nancy York Queen, wife to Hence Queen, resided > Rabun County GA 1850. I haven't found the parents of Hence or Nancy > thusfar. Per census info, Hence would have been about 27 in 1850 and Nancy > 23. Apparently he died young because Nancy was widowed and living in > Cherokee NC in 1860 with their 5 children (Jerry b. 1846, Mary b. 1849, > Harvey b. 1851, Jane b. 1855, and HInsey Jonas b. 1859). > > Rita

Am curious about all these postings although I can't connect to any of these as yet. Except for my own line, this is the first time I recall seeing the name York associated with the Queen name. I am particularly interested since my gggrandmother was Nancy York Queen, wife to Hence Queen, resided Rabun County GA 1850. I haven't found the parents of Hence or Nancy thusfar. Per census info, Hence would have been about 27 in 1850 and Nancy 23. Apparently he died young because Nancy was widowed and living in Cherokee NC in 1860 with their 5 children (Jerry b. 1846, Mary b. 1849, Harvey b. 1851, Jane b. 1855, and HInsey Jonas b. 1859). Rita

Hi group, Another message in the series regarding James C. Queen and his origins. Remember that James C. migrated from Burke County c. 1842 to Union Coiunty, GA. He was listed there in 1850 as age Found in the 1850 Burke County, NC census: p. 352, HH#263: Jesse Tallent, 44, farmer, b. NC Sada 37 " HH#264: Reubin Tallent, 56, farmer, b. NC Lydia 50, b. VA Aaron 21, b. NC Jesse 15, " HH#265: Solomon Queen, 46, farmer, NC Sophronia, 30, b. NC Moses, 10, NC Solomon, 6, NC Tobias, 2, NC FYI: Gene posted data on Solomon Queen last year when I didn't have the time to delve into the search. His analysis hinted at the possibility Solomon was a son of "Moses" Queen (Quinn), Burke Co. Both Solomon and James C. Queen named their first son 'Moses." Coincidence? Found in the "Burke County Heritage" book published by the Burke County NC Historical Society in 1981- p480, article 774, the following data: Solomon Queen married Sophronia York, dau. of William R. York and Catherine Smith (York's second marriage). York had mograted to Burke Co. from Randolph Co. NC. Solomon and Sophronia are buried in a small plot adross from the Mt. Gilead Church. unquote. My question remains - Does anyone have any data/info/guesses on the Moses Queen, born apparently in Wilkes County, GA between 1770 and 1780? Could he have possibly migrated into NC in the late 1790's? Can anyone refute this hypothesis? All comments welcome. Regards. Jerry

Hi all, On April 8 Carol posted a transcript of the 1841 Will of a William Grayson of Rutherford Co., NC. Just in case those interested are not aware of data from pg 302 of 1840 Rutherford census, it is listed after a brief recap of some data from Grayson's 1841 Will. Will: William Grayson lists: son, Benjamin; dtrs Patsy Queen, Elizabeth, Sally Deviney. Witness and/or jurat: Joseph Taylor, John M. Grayson, Jos. D. G. Deviney, W. T. Howser. Wm Grayson's land adjoins: Spencer Melton and J. H. Jones. 1840 Rutherford Census: James Queen, age 30<40; male 5<10; female 20<30; female 5<10; female <5 next: Jos Deviney, age 30<40; female 30<40; children next: Wm Grason, oldest age 60<70; other adult persons...and children in HH next: Jos Taylor, oldest male age 40<50; others in HH next group of names: John M. Grason, James Hunt, Elija Hunt, Wm G. Grason, A. Deveny (?), Spencer Milton. I have census details of above if anyone interested. Gene

Hi group, Checked the index for 1850 Burke County, NC for QUEEN, and TALLENT. And the survey says: QUEEN: 352B, 357B, 363A, 399A TALLENT: 351B, 352A, 352B, 355A Others checked in same census index-Aiken - 338A, 339A, 339B Harshaw - 402A. Just FYI. Will see what I can find on the actual census. Regards, Jerry

Hi group! Haven't had much time lately to do much analysis on my group of QUEENs, but thanks to an extremely nice and generous lady (Hi Diane Carney!), several documents have been posted on the Union County, GA Web page. All are interesting. But,... one in particular brings back visions of my group of Queens and the origins of which, I have suspected, probably in BURKE County, NC. The document posted by Diane consisted of Estate documents for "Jesse TALLANT." Names within the document were: Moses Queen, James C. Queen, & Nathan Jenkins. As you know, Moses is James C's son, while Nathan is James' son-in-law. But, what of this Jesse Tallant (Tallent)? Funny you should ask. On the 1840 BURKE Co. census, Jessey Talent is listed on the same page as one MOSES QUINN. Further, William Tallent is listed next to Moses. There's more! Reubin, Jos., and Aaron Tallent, Jr., were also listed on the same page as the elder Moses Quinn. Jesse Tallent was between 20-30, and wife, same age, no children, on the 1840 census. 1850 census unavail when I checked. 1860 - Union County, GA - HH#041/039, wife Sady, age 45 while Jesse was 52. (Now, we all know that James C. Queen was HH# 054/052, close neighbors with Jesse Tallent.) 1870 - Jessee listed as HH#114, age 61, b. NC. Sada age 52, b. NC. (James C. Queen - 1870 - HH#77, age 67, b. NC Sally, age 62, b. NC) Comment: I personally don't believe all this is just coincidence. James C. Queen (son of Moses Queen, Burke Co.?) was a contemporary of Jessee Tallent in Burke County, NC. Jessee moved to Union County, GA and lived very close to James Queen. Since there appears to have been no children born to Jessee and Sady Tallent, who best to be nominated as executor of his estate than a life long friend from Burke County, James C. Queen? The lineup of the tree seems to be getting clearer. But what of Moses Queen, "possible" father of James C. Queen? Is he the one from Wilkes County, GA? Comments Welcome. Regards, Jerry.

KINGTOWN BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY Fannin Co., GA RITA ANN QUEEN DEC 24 1943 AUG 24 1945 INF SON OF M/M H. F. QUEEN FEB 21 1929 FEB 21 1929 VARIA QUEEN AUG 6 1906 DEC 20 1912 ONE UNNAMED GRAVE ONE UNNAMED GRAVE MINNIE J. QUEEN AUG 17 1896 AUG 1 1917 LEORA QUEEN NOV 7 1915 MAR 22 1916 ARTHUR QUEEN JAN 29 1911 SEP 5 1913 AMANDA QUEEN 1875 1913 GEORGE H. QUEEN MAR 26 1860 JAN 2 1969 NORA ELLEN QUEEN MAY 23 1899 OCT 1 1899 MARY E. QUEEN APR 2 1904 JUN 26 1979 CLINTON QUEEN MAR 23 1903 PEARL QUEEN ONE DATE 1922 OSKAR QUEEN ONE DATE 1923 MAGLENE QUEEN ONE DATE 1926 J. T. QUEEN ONE DATE 1939 ADDlE P. QUEEN DEC 3 1898 OCT 8 1970 ELMER QUEEN JUL 22 1896 MAR 15 1966 NEW RIVER BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY HWY 195 - CEMETERY IS ON HILL BEHIND CHURCH. NEW RIVER CHURCH ORGANIZED 1928 REBUILT 1959 IN MEMORY OF J. C. QUEEN. HAROLD J. QUEEN SEP 25 1957 SEP 27 1957 JAMES EARL QUEEN JAN 4 1950 MAY 31 1964 HAYDEN H. QUEEN JUN 28 1907 AUG 15 1979 MYRTLE K. QUEEN APR 10 1912 JOHN R. QUEEN JAN 23 1872 MAR 28 1949 EMMA A. QUEEN JAN 29 1873 JUN 28 1953 DAMASCUS BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY OFF HWY S BETWEEN McCAYSVILLE AND BLUE RIDGE, FANNIN COUNTY GA GEORGIA B. QUEEN DEC 8 1931 J. HUBERT QUEEN DEC 18 1927 JAN 9 1979 BETTY SUE QUEEN FEB 18 1945 APR 11 1945 JETTIE QUEEN AUG 16 1889 JUN 16 1955 JOHN H. QUEEN JUN 1 1885 MAR 22 1947 MACEDONIA CEMETERY BONNIE QUEEN SEP 16 1926 AUG 7 1928 INFANT QUEEN DEC 4 1941 DEC 4 1941 HARRY M. QUEEN MAY 30 1894 APR 20 1943 EFFIE D. QUEEN JUN 14 1905 JUL 29 1983 CONCORD BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY SAMUEL H. QUEEN MAY 29 1866 AUG 17 1979 MARGARET C. QUEEN JAN 31 1866 AUG 8 1945 "Where there is no vision, the people perish" Proverbs:29:18 *************************************************************************** QUEENSCASTLE BRANCHES AND BOUGHS http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire Homepage/Donegal, Ireland, Poland & Russia Information http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6587 Home of Donegal, Ireland Information Site Also Poland & Russia

Hi Queen List Does anyone have information on this Queen. William E. Queen b. May 17, 1837, d. Feb. 10, 1918. Buried Rest Haven Cemetery Monroe, Walton Co., Ga. Jimmy O. Redmond, Sr.

Let me preface this information by saying this is all compiled from various sources and may have mistakes, so use with caution. Next, this is also my direct line, so I would be very interested in comparing notes with anyone searching the same ancestors or can add to the research. There is a book, in fact several, written by a Athey in Texas. You might want to track them down. C Mathews cmathews@intercom.net Family Group Record ============================================================ ============== Husband: Thomas ATHEY - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Birth: 14 Feb 1717 Prince George County, Maryland AKA: John Marriage: 1753 Prince George County, Maryland Father: John ATHEY (b bet 1675 and 1680) Mother: Margaret LEWIS (b 1690) Other spouse: Mrs. Judith ATHEY (m 1750) ============================================================ ============== Wife: Elinor QUEEN - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Birth: 14 Feb 1716 Prince George County, Maryland Father: Richard QUEEN Mother: ? ============================================================ ============== Children ============================================================ ============== 1 F Ethylda ATHEY Birth: 13 Oct 1765 Fauquier County, Virginia Death: abt 1810 Fauquier County, Virginia Spouse: Thomas LEACH - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 2 M Benjamin ATHEY Birth: 16 Jul 1754 Prince George County, Maryland - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 3 M John Queen ATHEY Birth: 24 May 1756 Prince George County, Maryland Death: 1831 Knox County, Kentucky Spouse: Dorcas CULLEN (m 24 Aug 1785) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 4 F Eleanor Lucille ATHEY Birth: 20 Sep 1762 Prince George County, Maryland Death: Apr 1840 Prince George County, Maryland Census: 1820 and 1830 Wood County, West Virginia AKA: Nella AKA: Lucy or Lucinda Spouse: John E. DAWKINS Sr. (m abt 1780) ============================================================ ============== ============================================================ ==============

Hi does any one know any thing about a Richard Queen that had a Daughter that married a Thomas Atha/athy/athey/athee, her name was Elinor and was born about 1732 in Prince George Co., Va.. If you do will you share some information with me she is one of my husbands gggggrandmother. Thank you Patty Greer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Queen <postalq@grnco.net> To: <QUEEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 12:58 PM Subject: [QUEEN] Possible migration explanation > Hi all, > I read the following on a GenConnect board. Thought it might be > interesting. It's a little long, but has some insights into possible > migrations from and to NC. It's on the Kent Co., DEL. GenConnect board. > carol > REV. JOHN NEWTON b 1732 BAPTIST MISSIONARY TO THE CAROLINAS > > > > In preparation for writing SC BAPTISTS and MATERIALS TOWARD A HISTORY OF THE > BAPTISTS "of the several Provinces," Morgan Edwards took a tour in 1772 and > wrote in notebooks on the spot in his travels. He penned: Rev. John Newton > was born August 7, 1732 in Kent County, Pennsylvania and was baptized in > 1752 by Rev. Isaac Potts in Southampton County, Virginia. In preparing this > bio, Submitter went to the list of PA counties ready to click on > "Kent"...but there was no present-day Kent Co., PA. As do all good > researchers in the twenty-first century, Submitter then posted a query to > the "I don't know what county to look in" PA post. Joan (joan@rootsweb.com) > promptly responded: "I am willing to bet that the reference is to the > present Kent County, Delaware! Kent County is the middle county of Delaware. > Delaware's three counties were referred to as the 'three lower counties' of > PA until the Revolution." So that is why you readers interested in Kent > County, Delaware are reading about Rev. John Newton. [The Rev. John Newton > who wrote the hymn "Amazing Grace" was a contemporary of this Rev. John > Newton, but not the same person. The hymnwriter lived in England 1725-1807.] > > Morgan Edwards sometimes wrote two different entries at two different times. > As stated above, he indicated that Rev. John Newton was baptized by Rev. > Isaac Potts in Southampton County, Virginia in 1752. In another place he > wrote: "Baptized by Rev. Joshua Potts about the year 1752." Submitter does > not know if Rev. Potts' given name was Isaac or Joshua, or if Isaac and > Joshua were the same person. Edwards seems to give parenting credit to > Newton's parents in saying that he was "bred a churchman" (George W. > Paschal, HISTORY OF NC BAPTISTS Vol.I 1663-1805, published 1930 by NC > Baptist State Convention, p. 390). > > The Sandy Creek Baptist Association [a group of Baptist churches, of like > faith and order, voluntarily affiliating for fellowship] was organized in > 1758. According to Semple (HISTORY OF VA BAPTISTS), Black River Baptist > Church sent delegates [Baptists call them messengers]. This church, > according to Paschal, "seems to have been situated somewhere on Black River > in the present county of Duplin [NC] and was probably in some way connected > with the [Baptist] church on Bull Tail, which is a creek emptying into Black > River" (p. 322). The Bull Tail (Wells' Chapel) Baptist Church was pastored > by Rev. Samuel Newton [not the same Rev. Samuel Newton of SC who pastored > the Bush River Baptist Church and died in 1771] who died during the > Revolutionary war. [Submitter does not know if Rev. Samuel Newton and Rev. > John Newton, both Baptist pastors in present-day Duplin County, NC, were > related.] On March 7, 1757, Rev. John Newton was ordained as pastor of Black > River Baptist Church "and probably served it in that capacity until his > departure for South Carolina in 1765" (Paschal, p. 322). > > Before he was ordained, but perhaps after he was licensed to preach [a > licentiate], John Newton stopped one day at the home of Philip Mulky (who > lived with his wife near Roanoke in Halifax County, NC) and read to him from > the fifty-third chapter of Isaiah in the Bible. The year was 1756. Now for > the rest of the story, an account based upon Morgan Edwards' manuscript > history of the SC Baptists, who (when writing about Fairforest Baptist > Church) wrote a biographical sketch of Rev. Philip Mulky with the following > account of his conversion: One night as he went out of a house where he had > been playing the fiddle at a dancing frolic he saw (as he thought) the Devil > grinning at him with fiery eyes; upon which he swooned away. [Edwards did > not say if it were the Devil or Mulky who swooned away.] When he came to > himself, he was in the greatest terror thinking the Devil would be permitted > to take him bodily by way of example to the company he had been with. > However, he mounted his horse and as he rid home, he fancied that the trees > struck at him, and the stars frowned at it. In this terror he continued > about three weeks, reforming but not able to sleep much and wasting in flesh > and strength. After this he was tempted to believe that he never could be > saved until he had been faithful to his old master, the Devil, for hitherto > he had been faithful to neither; and he began to serve the Devil faithfully. > Meantime a stranger came to his house whose name is John Newton (now a > minister), and read Isaiah 33d Chapter [elsewhere he wrote that it was the > fifty-third chapter], three verses, which put him in the mind of seeking > salvation. Newton goes away...he [Mulky] follows afar off from an > apprehension that as soon as he lost sight of him fire would come as when > Lot left Sodom. Shortly afterwards Mulky [sometimes written Mulkey] found > peace, and seemingly under Newton's direction went to Sandy Creek where he > was baptized on December 25, 1756 at the age of 24. Philip Mulky was > ordained on the month of October, 1757, and became pastor of Deep River > Baptist Church. He later planted churches in the wilderness of South > Carolina [Fair Forest Baptist Church, lively and zealous] and was one of the > most successful and active of the early Separate [Baptist] preachers, > according to Paschal (pp. 293-294, 386). > > "While the Baptists from the parts of NC to the north of Sandy Creek went to > TN, those from Little River and the southeastern parts of the Province went > rather to SC when they despaired of being protected in their rights by the > Government of North Carolina" (Paschal, p. 385). Morgan Edwards seems "not > to have visited this section of the Province" [present-day Duplin County, > NC] during his tour in 1772. "It is probable that before Morgan Edward's > tour in 1772 the [Baptist] church at Black River [where Rev. John Newton > became pastor in 1757] has been brought to extinction by the removal of its > members to other provinces to escape the unjust taxation and extortions of > officers under Tryon's administration. Such migrations had reduced the once > large Great Cohara [Baptist] church to eight members, and doubtless greatly > depleted all the churches of this section" (Paschal, p. 323). Morgan Edwards > did later write a biographical sketch of Rev. John Newton, after he was > ordained again in SC, and stated that he "had preached many years before in > NC where his labors had been much blest" (Paschal, p. 390). > > Rev. John Newton went to South Carolina in 1765. Resulting from the > preaching of Rev. Philip Mulky, in whose conversion he was instrumental, and > Rev. Daniel Marshall who preached in SC from age 55 to 65 [then to GA with > unabated missionary zeal and with never failing success], converts in the > Congaree area were organized into the Congaree Baptist Church on November > 30, 1766. Joseph Reese, whom Mulky had baptized, was ordained pastor by > Elders Oliver Hart and Evan Pugh, and with him as colleague Rev. John Newton > in 1768. Under the enthusiastic ministry of Mr. Reese, the Congaree Baptist > Church in five years had four branches [in other words, had mothered four > new churches]. As Hart and Pugh were Regular Baptists and not Separates, > trouble arose in consequence of their ordaining Reese and Newton (Paschal, > p. 390). Regarding Rev. Newton, Paschal also stated: "Both he and Reese got > into trouble because they had accepted this ordination at the hands of two > Particular Baptist ministers, Rev. Oilver Hart and Rev. Evan Pugh, and were > silenced by the Sandy Creek [Baptist] Association" (p. 322). Morgan Edwards > states that Rev. Reese and Rev. Newton "were both injured by the Sandy Creek > Association in NC [with which the Congaree Baptist Church had connections] > for their receiving ordination from the Regular Baptists" (Paschal, p. 390). > According to Morgan Edwards, "Mr. Reese made acknowledgement and was > restored to their favor and his ordination confirmed; Mr. Newton thought he > had done what was right and would make no acknowledgement. The Assn. > claiming authority to govern the churches directed Mr. Reese and the church > to silence Mr. Newton. This was accordingly done while he was in the midst > of a useful and successful work" (Paschal, p. 390). > > Twenty years later, after formation of the Bethel Baptist Association > [parent of Broad River, Saluda, and Edgefield Baptist Associations] in 1789, > the "little differences between Separates and Regulars were upon the > initiative of the Bethel Association adjusted, and the distinction of > Separate and Regular fell into disuse, as it was already falling into disuse > in North Carolina" (Paschal, p. 393). > > Those "little differences" proved too much for Rev. Newton, however. Paschal > reports: "Both Mr. Reese and the church were afterwards convinced they were > wrong in obeying the mandate of the Assn. and restored Mr. Newton; but he > never fully engaged in ministerial work afterward" (p. 390). > > "Where there is no vision, the people perish" Proverbs:29:18 > > *************************************************************************** > QUEENSCASTLE BRANCHES AND BOUGHS > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire > Homepage/Donegal, Ireland, Poland & Russia Information > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6587 > Home of Donegal, Ireland Information Site > Also Poland & Russia

I have noticed that the Queens who migrated to NC and GA all seem to be of the Protestant denomination, while those who migrated to KY all seem to be Catholic. Wonder if that may be one reason the migration from Maryland differs for these two groups of Queens? Or could it be the later immigration of Queens to Virginia are the group that went further south? Sue

Hi all again, Here is a post on the Duplin Co., NC GenConnect board that may be of interest. Carol REV. SAMUEL NEWTON, BAPTIST PASTOR IN BULL TAIL (WELLS' CHAPEL) 1760's RELIGIOUS LEADER OF HIS TIMES Posted by Mary Meyer <meyerma@webtv.net> on Sat, 22 Jan 2000 Surname: NEWTON, HOWARD, FANE, ALDERANTHY, ABERNATHY, HUFHAM, WELLS, HIGHSMITH, DeVANE, ROGERS, McADEN, BROWN Rev. Samuel Newton organized Bull Tail (Wells' Chapel) Baptist Church in 1756, and served the church as pastor until he died during the Revolutionary war. He was buried near his old home in present-day Duplin County, NC. His widow then married a [Mr.] Howard and moved to GA. Rev. Samuel Newton had a son Moses Newton and a daughter Miriam Fane. According to George W. Paschal (HISTORY OF NC BAPTISTS, Vol. I 1663-1805), as to the organization of "old Bulltail" [Baptist] church, "No one ever questioned the fact that it was organized by Rev. Samuel Newton in 1756. It had been the home of the Newtons, the Alderanthys [misprint for Abernathys ?], the Hufhams, the Wellses, the Highsmiths, the DeVanes, the Rogerses, and many other families known there to this day. It was said of him, Samuel Newton, that he was a 'great preacher' and the religious leader of his times. He was pastor till the time of his death, which occurred during the Revolutionary War" (p. 322). Another Rev. Samuel Newton, who was the first pastor of Bush River Baptist Church in SC, died in November 1771. According to Morgan Edwards (author of SC BAPTISTS), this SC pastor was "called [to preach] and baptized in North Carolina." According to Hon. J. T. Alderman, who made a study of the Newton family in NC, he was not the same Rev. Samuel Newton as the one in Duplin Co., NC. Paschal, author of HISTORY OF NC BAPTISTS, states (p. 392) that he was personally advised of these facts by Hon. J. T. Alderman. Paschal states that Black River Baptist Church was "probably connected" with the Baptist church on Bull Tail: "Black River [Baptist Church] is on the list of churches given by Semple [author of HISTORY OF VIRGINIA BAPTISTS] as having delegates at the Sandy Creek [Baptist] Association in the year of its organization in 1758. This church seems to have been situated somewhere on Black River in the present county of Duplin, and was probably in some way connected with the [Baptist] church on Bull Tail, which is a creek emptying into Black River. On March 7, 1757, Rev. John Newton was ordained as its [Black River Baptist Church] pastor, and probably served it in that capacity until his departure for South Carolina in 1765." This Rev. John Newton, according to Morgan Edwards [author of SC BAPTISTS], was born in PA August 7, 1732; was baptized in 1752 by Rev. Isaac Potts in Southampton County, Virginia; was instrumental in the conversion of Rev. Philip Mullky near Roanoke in Halifax County, North Carolina, about 1756; was ordained in 1757; and after going to SC in 1765 he was again ordained [Feb. 1868 by Rev. Oliver Hart and Evan Pugh] as colleague of Rev. Joseph Reese in the ministry of the Congaree [Baptist] church in 1768. Edwards stated that this Rev. John Newton had preached many years before in North Carolina where his labors had been much blest. [This information was taken from Paschal's book on p. 322; note the name Rev. Isaac Potts above. On p. 390, Paschal quotes Edwards as stating that Rev. John Newton was "bred a churchman" and "baptized by Rev. Joshua Potts about the year 1752." The submitter does not know if Rev. Potts' given name was Isaac or Joshua.] The submitter does not know if Rev. John Newton, pastor of Black River Baptist Church (in present-day Duplin County NC) in the early 1760's, was related to Rev. Samuel Newton, pastor of the Baptist church at Bull Tail (Wells' Chapel) in present-day Duplin County NC in the 1760's. Perhaps those answers could be found in the writings of Hon. J. T. Alderman "who has made a study of the Newton family in North Carolina" (Paschal p. 392). Paschal cites evidence that the churches in this area were depleted and became extinct even before our nation had its first President: "We do not know what Separate [Baptist] minister first preached at Black River, whether Stearns and Marshall or some of their early itineraries to the east, or [Rev. John] Newton himself. As early as 1756 Rev. Hugh McAden found many people in all this section eager to have the gospel preached among them. Some were doubtless the converts of Rev. Edward Brown, a Gerneral Baptist of the Kehukee [Baptist] Church, who began preaching on the Great Cohara as early as 1749. Morgan Edwards (author of SC BAPTISTS) seems not to have visited this section of the Province and says nothing of this church and does nothing more than mention the names of the churches at New River and Lockwood's Folly. It is probable that before Morgan Edwards's tour in 1772 the church at Black River had been brought to extinction by the removal of its members to other provinces to escape the unjust taxation and extortion of officers under [Governor] Tryon's administration. Such migration had reduced the once large Great Cohara church to eight members, and doubtless greatly depleted all the churches of this section" (p. 323). This information was taken from Paschal's book (published 1930 by NC Baptist State Convention), pp. 390-392, 322-323. "Where there is no vision, the people perish" Proverbs:29:18 *************************************************************************** QUEENSCASTLE BRANCHES AND BOUGHS http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire Homepage/Donegal, Ireland, Poland & Russia Information http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6587 Home of Donegal, Ireland Information Site Also Poland & Russia

Hi all, I read the following on a GenConnect board. Thought it might be interesting. It's a little long, but has some insights into possible migrations from and to NC. It's on the Kent Co., DEL. GenConnect board. carol REV. JOHN NEWTON b 1732 BAPTIST MISSIONARY TO THE CAROLINAS In preparation for writing SC BAPTISTS and MATERIALS TOWARD A HISTORY OF THE BAPTISTS "of the several Provinces," Morgan Edwards took a tour in 1772 and wrote in notebooks on the spot in his travels. He penned: Rev. John Newton was born August 7, 1732 in Kent County, Pennsylvania and was baptized in 1752 by Rev. Isaac Potts in Southampton County, Virginia. In preparing this bio, Submitter went to the list of PA counties ready to click on "Kent"...but there was no present-day Kent Co., PA. As do all good researchers in the twenty-first century, Submitter then posted a query to the "I don't know what county to look in" PA post. Joan (joan@rootsweb.com) promptly responded: "I am willing to bet that the reference is to the present Kent County, Delaware! Kent County is the middle county of Delaware. Delaware's three counties were referred to as the 'three lower counties' of PA until the Revolution." So that is why you readers interested in Kent County, Delaware are reading about Rev. John Newton. [The Rev. John Newton who wrote the hymn "Amazing Grace" was a contemporary of this Rev. John Newton, but not the same person. The hymnwriter lived in England 1725-1807.] Morgan Edwards sometimes wrote two different entries at two different times. As stated above, he indicated that Rev. John Newton was baptized by Rev. Isaac Potts in Southampton County, Virginia in 1752. In another place he wrote: "Baptized by Rev. Joshua Potts about the year 1752." Submitter does not know if Rev. Potts' given name was Isaac or Joshua, or if Isaac and Joshua were the same person. Edwards seems to give parenting credit to Newton's parents in saying that he was "bred a churchman" (George W. Paschal, HISTORY OF NC BAPTISTS Vol.I 1663-1805, published 1930 by NC Baptist State Convention, p. 390). The Sandy Creek Baptist Association [a group of Baptist churches, of like faith and order, voluntarily affiliating for fellowship] was organized in 1758. According to Semple (HISTORY OF VA BAPTISTS), Black River Baptist Church sent delegates [Baptists call them messengers]. This church, according to Paschal, "seems to have been situated somewhere on Black River in the present county of Duplin [NC] and was probably in some way connected with the [Baptist] church on Bull Tail, which is a creek emptying into Black River" (p. 322). The Bull Tail (Wells' Chapel) Baptist Church was pastored by Rev. Samuel Newton [not the same Rev. Samuel Newton of SC who pastored the Bush River Baptist Church and died in 1771] who died during the Revolutionary war. [Submitter does not know if Rev. Samuel Newton and Rev. John Newton, both Baptist pastors in present-day Duplin County, NC, were related.] On March 7, 1757, Rev. John Newton was ordained as pastor of Black River Baptist Church "and probably served it in that capacity until his departure for South Carolina in 1765" (Paschal, p. 322). Before he was ordained, but perhaps after he was licensed to preach [a licentiate], John Newton stopped one day at the home of Philip Mulky (who lived with his wife near Roanoke in Halifax County, NC) and read to him from the fifty-third chapter of Isaiah in the Bible. The year was 1756. Now for the rest of the story, an account based upon Morgan Edwards' manuscript history of the SC Baptists, who (when writing about Fairforest Baptist Church) wrote a biographical sketch of Rev. Philip Mulky with the following account of his conversion: One night as he went out of a house where he had been playing the fiddle at a dancing frolic he saw (as he thought) the Devil grinning at him with fiery eyes; upon which he swooned away. [Edwards did not say if it were the Devil or Mulky who swooned away.] When he came to himself, he was in the greatest terror thinking the Devil would be permitted to take him bodily by way of example to the company he had been with. However, he mounted his horse and as he rid home, he fancied that the trees struck at him, and the stars frowned at it. In this terror he continued about three weeks, reforming but not able to sleep much and wasting in flesh and strength. After this he was tempted to believe that he never could be saved until he had been faithful to his old master, the Devil, for hitherto he had been faithful to neither; and he began to serve the Devil faithfully. Meantime a stranger came to his house whose name is John Newton (now a minister), and read Isaiah 33d Chapter [elsewhere he wrote that it was the fifty-third chapter], three verses, which put him in the mind of seeking salvation. Newton goes away...he [Mulky] follows afar off from an apprehension that as soon as he lost sight of him fire would come as when Lot left Sodom. Shortly afterwards Mulky [sometimes written Mulkey] found peace, and seemingly under Newton's direction went to Sandy Creek where he was baptized on December 25, 1756 at the age of 24. Philip Mulky was ordained on the month of October, 1757, and became pastor of Deep River Baptist Church. He later planted churches in the wilderness of South Carolina [Fair Forest Baptist Church, lively and zealous] and was one of the most successful and active of the early Separate [Baptist] preachers, according to Paschal (pp. 293-294, 386). "While the Baptists from the parts of NC to the north of Sandy Creek went to TN, those from Little River and the southeastern parts of the Province went rather to SC when they despaired of being protected in their rights by the Government of North Carolina" (Paschal, p. 385). Morgan Edwards seems "not to have visited this section of the Province" [present-day Duplin County, NC] during his tour in 1772. "It is probable that before Morgan Edward's tour in 1772 the [Baptist] church at Black River [where Rev. John Newton became pastor in 1757] has been brought to extinction by the removal of its members to other provinces to escape the unjust taxation and extortions of officers under Tryon's administration. Such migrations had reduced the once large Great Cohara [Baptist] church to eight members, and doubtless greatly depleted all the churches of this section" (Paschal, p. 323). Morgan Edwards did later write a biographical sketch of Rev. John Newton, after he was ordained again in SC, and stated that he "had preached many years before in NC where his labors had been much blest" (Paschal, p. 390). Rev. John Newton went to South Carolina in 1765. Resulting from the preaching of Rev. Philip Mulky, in whose conversion he was instrumental, and Rev. Daniel Marshall who preached in SC from age 55 to 65 [then to GA with unabated missionary zeal and with never failing success], converts in the Congaree area were organized into the Congaree Baptist Church on November 30, 1766. Joseph Reese, whom Mulky had baptized, was ordained pastor by Elders Oliver Hart and Evan Pugh, and with him as colleague Rev. John Newton in 1768. Under the enthusiastic ministry of Mr. Reese, the Congaree Baptist Church in five years had four branches [in other words, had mothered four new churches]. As Hart and Pugh were Regular Baptists and not Separates, trouble arose in consequence of their ordaining Reese and Newton (Paschal, p. 390). Regarding Rev. Newton, Paschal also stated: "Both he and Reese got into trouble because they had accepted this ordination at the hands of two Particular Baptist ministers, Rev. Oilver Hart and Rev. Evan Pugh, and were silenced by the Sandy Creek [Baptist] Association" (p. 322). Morgan Edwards states that Rev. Reese and Rev. Newton "were both injured by the Sandy Creek Association in NC [with which the Congaree Baptist Church had connections] for their receiving ordination from the Regular Baptists" (Paschal, p. 390). According to Morgan Edwards, "Mr. Reese made acknowledgement and was restored to their favor and his ordination confirmed; Mr. Newton thought he had done what was right and would make no acknowledgement. The Assn. claiming authority to govern the churches directed Mr. Reese and the church to silence Mr. Newton. This was accordingly done while he was in the midst of a useful and successful work" (Paschal, p. 390). Twenty years later, after formation of the Bethel Baptist Association [parent of Broad River, Saluda, and Edgefield Baptist Associations] in 1789, the "little differences between Separates and Regulars were upon the initiative of the Bethel Association adjusted, and the distinction of Separate and Regular fell into disuse, as it was already falling into disuse in North Carolina" (Paschal, p. 393). Those "little differences" proved too much for Rev. Newton, however. Paschal reports: "Both Mr. Reese and the church were afterwards convinced they were wrong in obeying the mandate of the Assn. and restored Mr. Newton; but he never fully engaged in ministerial work afterward" (p. 390). "Where there is no vision, the people perish" Proverbs:29:18 *************************************************************************** QUEENSCASTLE BRANCHES AND BOUGHS http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire Homepage/Donegal, Ireland, Poland & Russia Information http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6587 Home of Donegal, Ireland Information Site Also Poland & Russia

In searching the big Queen document for the name Grayson, I also realized that this family had another connection: 1850 - in Rutherford Co., NC (Twp = Whitesides Sett), there are Medith Queen, listed as "Merith Queen", age 35, b. NC, with Elizabeth 30F b. NC, and children John 5M, Mary 4F, and James 3M, all born in NC. Also in the household are Lelitia Melton, a 21F b. NC, and Sarah Queen, age 2/12, born in NC. He lives next to Elijah Hunt, age 41, and wife Elizabeth, age 45, and other Hunts, Graysons, and Meltons are nearby. This Meredith reportedly married Elizabeth Grayson, daughter of William Grayson of Rutherford Co., NC after her father's death in 1841. Also listed are Richard Queen 35M (288), William Queen (291); in another cluster (also Twp = Whitesides Sett) are Richard Queen (p. 345) and Daniel and James (p. 343) and Edward and Thomas (p. 344) Upton. Perhaps by analyzing interactions between these families, some relationships will become clearer. Reiley ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Queen <postalq@grnco.net> To: <QUEEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: [QUEEN] Deviney/Grayson etc > Hi all, > Thought this might be of interest. From Rutherford Co. Wills and Misc. > Records > > page 77. > 16 Feb 1841. Recorded, March court 1841. > I, WILLIAM GRAYSON, being very low & weak in body, but of perfect mind and > memory. First I want my just debts paid. I give unto my son BENJAMIN all the > tract of land whereon I now live, joining lands of SPENCER MELTON and J. H. > JONES and others. I give unto my dtr. PATSY QUEEN one lot of land deeded to > me by the heirs of BENJAMIN GRAYSON dec'd. being a part of the dower laid > off and set apart for RACHEL GRAYSON, decd. widow of JOS. GRAYSON. I give > unto my dtr. ELIZABETH one lot granted to JOS. GRAYSON, Junr. being part of > the above mentioned dower. I give unto my dtr. SALLY DEVINEY, one lot > granted to myself being part of the above mentioned dower and one lot > granted to me from ISAAC GRAYSON a part of above mentioned dower I want > sold, and all other property belonging to me, that is stock, horses, hogs, > household and kitchen furniture, still, farming tools, the money arising to > pay my just debts and the surplus divided among my son BENJAMIN GRAYSON, > dtrs. SALLY DEVINEY, PATSY QUEEN AND ELIZABETH GRAYSON. I appoint my son > BENJAMIN GRAYSON my executor. > Wit. JOSEPH TAYLOR, jurat. JOHN M. GRAYSON, JOS. D.G. DEVINEY, W.T. HOWSER, > jurat > Signed Wm. Grayson > "Where there is no vision, the people perish" Proverbs:29:18 > > *************************************************************************** > QUEENSCASTLE BRANCHES AND BOUGHS > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire > Homepage/Donegal, Ireland, Poland & Russia Information > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6587 > Home of Donegal, Ireland Information Site > Also Poland & Russia >

Hi all, Just checking in to see if anyone on the list descends from the Richard Queen of 1810 and 1830 Rutherford County, NC and would care to share in an attempt to plot his moves, etc. Gene

Hi all, Thought this might be of interest. From Rutherford Co. Wills and Misc. Records page 77. 16 Feb 1841. Recorded, March court 1841. I, WILLIAM GRAYSON, being very low & weak in body, but of perfect mind and memory. First I want my just debts paid. I give unto my son BENJAMIN all the tract of land whereon I now live, joining lands of SPENCER MELTON and J. H. JONES and others. I give unto my dtr. PATSY QUEEN one lot of land deeded to me by the heirs of BENJAMIN GRAYSON dec'd. being a part of the dower laid off and set apart for RACHEL GRAYSON, decd. widow of JOS. GRAYSON. I give unto my dtr. ELIZABETH one lot granted to JOS. GRAYSON, Junr. being part of the above mentioned dower. I give unto my dtr. SALLY DEVINEY, one lot granted to myself being part of the above mentioned dower and one lot granted to me from ISAAC GRAYSON a part of above mentioned dower I want sold, and all other property belonging to me, that is stock, horses, hogs, household and kitchen furniture, still, farming tools, the money arising to pay my just debts and the surplus divided among my son BENJAMIN GRAYSON, dtrs. SALLY DEVINEY, PATSY QUEEN AND ELIZABETH GRAYSON. I appoint my son BENJAMIN GRAYSON my executor. Wit. JOSEPH TAYLOR, jurat. JOHN M. GRAYSON, JOS. D.G. DEVINEY, W.T. HOWSER, jurat Signed Wm. Grayson "Where there is no vision, the people perish" Proverbs:29:18 *************************************************************************** QUEENSCASTLE BRANCHES AND BOUGHS http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire Homepage/Donegal, Ireland, Poland & Russia Information http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6587 Home of Donegal, Ireland Information Site Also Poland & Russia

The Catholic Historical Society of Washington Spring Meeting "History of Georgetown Visitation Academy" by Sister Mada-anne Gell, VHM Sunday, April 30, 2000 4:00 pm St. Ann's Church, Collins Room Tenley Circle 4400 Wisconsin Avenue, NW Washington, DC Prior to the presentation will be a short business meeting. Refreshments will be served. St. Ann's Church is located one block south of the Tenleytown/American University Metro Station. Parking is available on the street and on the church parking lot. Enter the church from the Yuma Street side and proceed downstairs to the Collins Room. The Catholic Historical Society of Washington was founded in 1976 in order to preserve and promote awareness of Catholic history in the Archdiocese of Washington, which includes the city of Washington, DC and five surrounding Maryland counties (Montgomery, Prince George's, Charles, Calvert, and St. Mary's counties). The society sponsors four lectures each year, a quarterly newsletter, special presentations, and occasional tours of historic Catholic sites. Annual dues are $20 and may be sent to the Catholic Historical Society of Washington, 924 G Street, NW, Washington, DC 20001. Christopher J. Pohlhaus Board Member Catholic Historical Society of Washington pohlhaus@pressroom.com

My great-great-great-grandmother was Miriam Rowland, daughter of Thomas Rowland (1750-1836) and Mildred McCoy Lewis (1759 - 1847). Born in Rutherford County, NC in 1780, she died March 18, 1845. She is buried near her daughter, Huldah Logan (wife of Francis Logan) in the Mt Pleasant Methodist Church Cemetery in White County, GA, near Cleveland. She married Ransom Powell in 1797, but her father, in his Greenville, SC will, (probated April 18, 1836) speaks of her as Mira Queen. My copy is, of course, transcribed, but Mira could well be a nickname for Miriam. She and Ransom had several children. I have very little information on Ransom aside from a deed record in Anderson County, SC dated 1805, an 1803 Pendleton County, SC Land Grant, and a record (Book H, page 238, April 24, 1817) of a sale of 58 acres in Anderson County to Thomas Rowland. Miriam is found later in Habersham County, GA, where she had children. The big mystery is this. Her tombstone inscription, which I have seen, says "Miriam Powell, died March 18, 1845 at age 65. Daughter of Thomas Rowland". Thomas had been dead since 1836. There is no mention of a husband. If she remarried, why wasn't her husband's name on her stone? A few years before she died she acted as executrix of her son's will, and her name was given as Miriam Powell then, also. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance. Lily Mullinax

Received this from another list and reminded me of some problems we have run into with our research. Hope you all enjoy this as much as I did. Still stuck of James William QUEEN and Elizabeth BEST, Charlton Queen -----Original Message----- From: John D. Stone <jdstone@lv.rmci.net> To: GRAY-L@rootsweb.com <GRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 7:22 PM Subject: [GRAY] [Family History] The Thirteen Commandments for Names >The Thirteen Commandments for Names: > >1) Thou shalt name your male children: James, John, Joseph, Abel, Richard, >Thomas or William. > >2) Thou shalt name your female children: Elizabeth, Mary, Martha, Maria, >Sarah, Ida, Virginia or Mae. > >3) Thou shalt leave NO trace of your female children. > >4) Thou shalt, after naming your childen from the above lists, never refer >to them by those names again; instead, thou shalt call them by strange >nicknames as: Ike, Eli, Polly, Dolly, Sukey. > >5) Thou shalt not use any middle names on ANY legal documents or census >reports; and whenever possible, use only initials on legal documents. > >6) Thou shalt learn to sign all documants illegibly so that your surname can >be spelled, or misspelled in various ways: Tipper, Topper, Hopper, >Tucker,Tapper. > >7) Thou shalt, after no more than 3 generation, make sure that all family >records are lost, misplaced, burned in a court house fire, lost at sea or >buried so that NO future trace of them can be found. > >8) Thou shalt propagate misleading legends, rumors and vague innuendo >regarding your place of origin. > a) You may have come from: England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales ...or Iran. > b) You may have American Indian Ancestory of the ____tribe. > c) You MAY have descended from one of three brothers that came over from >_____. > >9) Thou shalt leave no cemetery records, headstones or headstones with >legible names; nor will any of the dates thereon match those in public >records. > >10) Thou shalt leave no family bible with records of birth, marriage or >death. > >11) Thou shalt ALWAYS flip thy name around. If born James Albert, thou must >make the rest of thy records in the name of Albert, AJ, JA, AL, Bert, Bart >or Fred. > >12) Thou must also flip thy parents names around when making reference to >them, although "Unknown" is an acceptable alternative. > >13) Thou shalt name all generations of children with the identical first >names, as will all of the brothers so that all cousins are named the same. > > >==== GRAY Mailing List ==== > If you're not already a Rootsweb member, please join with us! >RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Hello Gene Still looking for my branch of the Queen family I wish I had ask questions when my great uncle Marion B. Queen was alive . John Queen married Susan Jane Deveny or divine not sure of the spelling their son Avery B. Queen married Sarah ? Their children were. 1. John A. Queen who married Laura Phillips 2. Victoria Queen married George Laws 3. Marion B. Queen never married 4. Lonia Queen married John L.Gates John Queen came from Rutherford co. can anyone tell me any thing about these people I think they lived next to the Deveney family at some time or another Many thanks John H.