Regarding recent posts of Gayle and Mandy, the following is provided for any possible value: Reference (Gayle): John Hall bought land for $9.15 on 12-25-1832 being the land on which John Jones and Josiah Jones "now" live, adjoining land of Robert Hall and land on which Hugh Queen now lives. Reference (Mandy): J. W. Quinn, Macon Co., NC 1840 census: Aged 30<40 plus 1 male 16<20 Comments: 1830 Macon County census pg 26: James Quinn, male 20<30 and female 15<20. Page 2: John Hall age 40<50 with others in HH Page 16: James Queen age 20<30 (b. ca 1808, son of Alfred?) female 15<20 (Isabella?) next name: Josiah Jones age 40<50 with others in HH Page 18: William Morgan age 50<60 2 males 20<30 2 males 15<20 others Page 20: Mary Queen age 30<40 (head of household) male <5 male 5<10 Page 25: William Morgan age 30<40 female 20<30 female 5<10 Page 32: John Hall age 20<30 w/female 20<30 next name: William Queen age 20<30 female 20<30 female 5<10 ...Assume that this is William Queen, son of Henson Queen of ca 1742 and Sarah Hampton Queen? Also assume that this is father of Samuel Patton Queen who was born on 12-16-1833 in MACON Co.? Further, assume that the oldest female is Mary Ann Patton, wife of William.) Please note that there are differing assumptions concerning the ancestor of this William Queen. Macon Co. Marriages: Maxwell Queen and Sela Rose 12-20-1832 by H. G. Woodfin, Deputy Clerk Wm. B. Morgan and Mary Queen 2-3-1833 by John Hall, Clerk Jessey Sherrill and Margaret Queen 10-26-1833 John Turner and Mary Queen 11-8-1834 Discussion: Who is the John Hall who bought the land per Gayle's reference? The John Hall of page 2 or the one of page 32 with a William Queen living nearby? If we consider the land on which "Josiah Jones" now lives, then he lives next door to James Queen, son of Alfred of 1810? Is the John Hall the man who was Clerk at the time of marriage of Wm B Morgan to Mary Queen in 1833? Clerks have a way of getting land sold by sheriffs. And...just for kicks...the Mary Queen age 30<40 (= born ca 1790-1800) of the 1830 census, was she the Mary Queen who married Wm B. Morgan in 1833 or John Turner in 1834, or neither? (With two young children and no husband in her household in 1830, I'm going to assume that she had been married and her Queen husband is now deceased.) Was she the Mary Ann State (Slate) who married Timothey in Haywood in 1816? Was she the Polly Queen who was age 63 and back in Haywood in 1860 with John State (Slate) age 97 also in the household? Comments anyone....especially challenges to the William Queen assumptions listed above. Gene

Hi Gayle and all, Some very interesting information which you have presented, especially with the dates in Macon, the Joneses and the possible SC connection. Folks familiar with William Queen know of a Hall and Jones connection. Does this Hugh tie into any of "our" Queens? Does a bear have hair? I hope that interest can be aroused regarding this post. I could easily be persuaded to join a serious research effort regarding the Joneses, Halls, etc. The 1828-1835 period of Haywood and Macon Counties still hold many secrets concerning Queen families. Gene Gayle Cantrell wrote: > ...QUEEN, that is. > > "Sheriff's sale: JAMES TRUETT, Sh'ff of Macon, to JOHN HALL, to satisfy > judgement of county ct. against JOHN JONES for $8.20, land or improvement on > which John Jones & JOSIAH JONES now live, adj. line of ROBERT HALL & land on > which HUGH QUEEN now lives. John Hall had high bid of $9.15, Dec. 25, 1832. > JAmes Truett, Sheriff. Registered Dec. 3, 1833." from Records of Old Macon > County, North Carolina, 1829-1850, compiled by Barbara Sears McRae > > Census Index: Colonial America, 1607-1789 > Queen, Hugh State : SC : Ninety-six Dist. Year : 1779 > > So, who is Hugh? (What a hoot!) I had pretty much ignored this lone QUEEN > until Ms. Mandy QUEEN mentioned him. Is this Macon County Hugh one in the > same as the SC 96th District, 1779 Hugh, and does he tie any of our Johns, > Thomases or Williams together? > > Gayle Phillips Cantrell > gpcantrell@home.com > What's my line? > > I have transcribed those records below verbatim, but with formatting (MS > Word document) I'm too tired to convert to something readable in plain text > (sorry). If anyone would like a copy, just let me know! > > "Records of Old Macon County, N.C., 1829-1850", compiled by Barbara Sears > McRae, Clearfield Company: > > -Q- > Henry 26 > Henson, Hency 19, 51, 59, 153, 167 > Hugh, 15 > John 12, 26, 149, 162 > John W., Jr. 154 > William 82 > William B. 124, 148, 163" > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Queen info pg. Message boards, family crest info, > other Queen links, etc. > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/5932/queen.html

...QUEEN, that is. "Sheriff's sale: JAMES TRUETT, Sh'ff of Macon, to JOHN HALL, to satisfy judgement of county ct. against JOHN JONES for $8.20, land or improvement on which John Jones & JOSIAH JONES now live, adj. line of ROBERT HALL & land on which HUGH QUEEN now lives. John Hall had high bid of $9.15, Dec. 25, 1832. JAmes Truett, Sheriff. Registered Dec. 3, 1833." from Records of Old Macon County, North Carolina, 1829-1850, compiled by Barbara Sears McRae Census Index: Colonial America, 1607-1789 Queen, Hugh State : SC : Ninety-six Dist. Year : 1779 So, who is Hugh? (What a hoot!) I had pretty much ignored this lone QUEEN until Ms. Mandy QUEEN mentioned him. Is this Macon County Hugh one in the same as the SC 96th District, 1779 Hugh, and does he tie any of our Johns, Thomases or Williams together? Gayle Phillips Cantrell gpcantrell@home.com What's my line? I have transcribed those records below verbatim, but with formatting (MS Word document) I'm too tired to convert to something readable in plain text (sorry). If anyone would like a copy, just let me know! "Records of Old Macon County, N.C., 1829-1850", compiled by Barbara Sears McRae, Clearfield Company: -Q- Henry 26 Henson, Hency 19, 51, 59, 153, 167 Hugh, 15 John 12, 26, 149, 162 John W., Jr. 154 William 82 William B. 124, 148, 163"

Has anybody ever found and/or connected any THOMAS QUEEN's to John W. Queen, Jr. and/or Sr. BESIDES his descendants named Thomas This or Thomas That? Gayle Phillips Cantrell gpcantrell@home.com What's my line?

Hi All! Here is all I have on the Queen Family: Charles Queen, B. 1835 in SC, Died 1908 and burried at Cunningham Cemetery, Athens, McMinn Co., TN. Married Sarah Jane Hayes, 23 Jan 1868 in Monroe Co., TN. Sarah was born in 1840 and died in 1903. (These dates come from the head stones.) The son of Charles and Sarah is; Thomas Queen, B. 28 Jan 1871, D. 31 Oct. 1945 at Athens, Tn. He Married Emily Russell( Dau. of Issac Leo Russell and Mary Dianne Slack) B.31 Dec 1869, D. Mar 1932 In Athens, TN. The children of Tom and Mary Dianne(called Aunt Polly) were: Martha Ella (Queen) Knox John Henry Queen Samuel Russell Queen Mary Jane Queen * Martha Ella Queen Knox was my grandma and use to rock and hum to me when I was small. (I give her credit for much of my love of music.) B. 12Jan 1902 in Athens (McMinn Co.), TN D. 3Nov 1983. Married Luther NMN Knox . I can give you much more on the Russells, Knoxs, Ogles and Carmacks if you wish but I don't think most of you are interested. I have the pension numbers from the American Revolution on several of my grandpas and can go back to 6 AD on the Ogle side(if anyone is interested). I think that what interest me the most is why? Why did they leave Ireland, Wales, England and Scotland? During the 1500's , the English Crown started a policy of Plantations in Ireland where by Friends of the Crown from Scotland were given large farms in Ireland in order to disenfranchise the Irish Catholics. This was largely unsucessful and was stopped. In about 1630-1960 the 30 years war took place with Prods fighting Caths. At about the same time, the English Civil War was going on and at the end of this horror the soldiers of Scotland (the finest soldiers in Europe at the time) were given land in Ireland as pay for service. Now, Most Highland Scots were Roman Catholic prior to the late 1500. But--due to mass murder buy the forces of Cromwell and the non acceptence of Scots who had become Presp. by the English Crown (who was Anglican), Scots went to France, Canada and the Thirteen (ToBe) States. This was a small Migration. The Jacobite Wars were next when the supporters of the Stuart Lines clain to the Crown of England ,1700-1745. The Highlanders supported the Jacobite cause (Most) and lost. The English proceded to kill and enslave most of the highlands and those who could escape, did. This lead to the American Scottish Hate of the English (most) that lead to the Am. Rev. The MacQueens were fromthe north end of the Isle of Skye and were of the clan MacDonald. They were highlanders. John Prebble is a good author to read about the fate of our Highlanders. Thanks, Mike Knox (excuse my spelling) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi all, I have had, and still do have, a great deal on my plate, so I apologize for throwing in only tidbits, but you never know... According to my cousin, Connie Barnes Southard, her QUEEN documentation goes back to the 1700's, with their migration to NC from the Columbia, SC area. I eventually (gasp!) intend to share what I have with her in hopes of discovering any apparent discrepancies and potential leads. Until then, perhaps kind soul out there can shed light on this as well. I guess my question at this time would be is/was there a Burke County anywhere near the Columbia, SC area? John W. QUEEN, Jr. --> Sim M. QUEEN --> Martha Ella QUEEN Arvey --> Lois Arvey Phillips --> Gayle Phillips Cantrell John W. QUEEN, Jr. --> Sim M. QUEEN --> Mary Jane QUEEN Burnett --> Bana Burnett Barnes --> Connie Barnes Southard Very best regards, Gayle Cantrell gpcantrell@home.com P.S. Mandy, was Martha 38 or 28 on the 1850 census? Thanks! "It is hard when looking at the pasts of other people to understand the fine points of their lives. It is difficult to know the exact shadings of dates which were never written down and to know the intricacies of events which we have not lived through ourselves but only viewed from the distances of time and space." No Great Mischief © 1999 by Alistair MacLeod, 1st American Edition 2000, W.W. Norton & Company Ltd. -----Original Message----- From: MndyQn@aol.com [mailto:MndyQn@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:35 AM To: QUEEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [QUEEN] John Queen Hi, Got some questions about John William Queen, Sr and Jr. These are from census: 1860 (jw, sr would be 86-91{if living}think he died btw 1851-1860; jw, jr would be 44) Queen, John W (jr) Macon Co NC: John W. Queen 43M b. Burke Co., NC, Martha 37F b. Burke Co., NC, Mira E. 14F, Butler Thomas 12M, Adda A 10F, Sarah E. 7F, William M. 4M and "unnamed" 5/12, all born Macon Co., NC. 1850 (jw,sr would be 76-81; jw, jr would be 34) Queen, John (jr) Macon NC; 34, Martha 38, Lucy 8, Elvira 5, Butler 4, Brunetta 3/12, John 76 b Mont Co 1840 (jw,sr would be 66-71; jw, jr married this yr (Oct) would be 24) (jw jr's first child b. 1842 Macon Co) Queen, John, Macon NC Aged 60-70 yrs Est birth 1770-1780 +1 M 20-30 (john, jr) Quinn, J. W. , Macon NC Aged 30-40 yrs Est birth 1800-1810 +1 M 16-20 Question: If John Wm Jr married in OCT of 1840 and he's still in John W Sr's hh who is this J W Quinn in Macon Co? Queen or Quinn? Does anyone have the rest of this census? 1830 (jw sr would be 56-61; jw jr would be 14) Queen, John Burke NC Queen, John Macon NC 1m 10-15, 1m 20-30, 1f 20-30 Queen, John Lincoln NC Quean, John Rowan NC Queen, John Haywood NC (20-30) Question: Does anyone have a copy of the JW sr in burke Co? Reiley stated that this JW sr was in Burke Co on Cove Creek. Who are all these other John's? JW jr would still be at home being 14. 1820 (jw sr would be 46-51; jw jr would be 4) Queen, John Burke NC 1 M +45, 1 M 10-16, 1 M 0-10, 1 F +45, 2 F 16-26, 3 F 0-10 1810 (jw sr would be 36-41) Queen, John Rowan NC 26-45 M, 16-26 F (not jw sr? he would have children, see 1810 & 1820) Queen, John Montgomery NC Queen, John Martin NC Question: Where was John William Sr in 1810? Who are these other Johns? Reiley places JW sr in Rutherford Co in 1806,1808,1809 (deeds, etc) 1800 (jw sr would be 26-31, mar abt. 1793-1795?) Queen, John Ruth. NC 1m -10, 1m 16-26, 2f -10, 1f 16-26 1790 (jw sr would be 16-21 at home w/parents) Queen, Henson Mont. Co NC 02-02-03 Just trying to get all my ducks in a row :) Mandy ______________________________

There were three major considerations in assigning the titles Junior & Senior to a child. Father-Son: John Henry Doe & wife named a son John Henry Doe, Junior at birth to forever distinguish son from father. The son was often known as "Junior" within the family and sometimes outside the family (e.g. at school). However "Juniors" were often known by their middle name or a nickname" within the family and outside the family. Usage in public life: John Henry Doe & wife named a son John Henry Doe at birth. Junior was not a part of his name given at birth. There was no Junior" until father and son were both buying land or otherwise participating in community life at the same time. Records would refer to the father as "John Henry Doe, Senior" and the son as "John Henry Doe, Junior"; or, to the father as "John Henry Doe" and the son as John Henry Doe, Junior." Sometimes there are a string of a certain name. This was usually handled as follows: John Henry Doe, Senior; John Henry Doe, Junior; John Henry Doe, III; John Henry Doe, IV; etc. Some long range planners used "I" & "II" instead of "Senior" & "Junior". (Also "Senior" & "II".) Although Roman numerals have normally been used, both cardinal and ordinal numbers have also been used (e.g. John Henry Doe, 2nd; John Henry Doe, Second.) Usage in honoring illustrious family members: I have a rich relative, John Paul Doe, that needs buttered-up, we have the same surname, so my son is named John Paul Doe. Whether or not he is named "Junior" at birth, where both are buying land or otherwise participating in community life at the same time, the younger was sometimes named "Junior" in records to distinguish between them. Sometimes the family called the younger "Junior" to distinguish between them. String of a certain name: 1. John Henry Doe & son John Henry Doe - until son comes of age. 2. John Henry Doe (or John Henry Doe, Senior) & son John Henry Doe, Junior - until father dies. 3. John Henry Doe, Senior (son Junior from 2.) & son John Henry Doe - until son comes of age. 4. John Henry Doe (or John Henry Doe, Senior) & son John Henry Doe, Junior (son John Henry Doe from 3.) - until father dies. 5. Go through cycle again. Bad case scenario: You find decades of the same name with each father and son (after the first one of the name - this one will not appear as "Junior" under most conditions) being alternately "Junior" & "Senior in public records (but perhaps not in family records). There were six or eight generations of the same name in one family genealogy I saw. Worst case scenario: Neither family or public records bothered to distinguish father from son. I am sure this whole thing is confusing. The above is true to my experience as a genealogist to the best of my knowledge & belief. James B. Hardin

Hi, Got some questions about John William Queen, Sr and Jr. These are from census: 1860 (jw, sr would be 86-91{if living}think he died btw 1851-1860; jw, jr would be 44) Queen, John W (jr) Macon Co NC: John W. Queen 43M b. Burke Co., NC, Martha 37F b. Burke Co., NC, Mira E. 14F, Butler Thomas 12M, Adda A 10F, Sarah E. 7F, William M. 4M and "unnamed" 5/12, all born Macon Co., NC. 1850 (jw,sr would be 76-81; jw, jr would be 34) Queen, John (jr) Macon NC; 34, Martha 38, Lucy 8, Elvira 5, Butler 4, Brunetta 3/12, John 76 b Mont Co 1840 (jw,sr would be 66-71; jw, jr married this yr (Oct) would be 24) (jw jr's first child b. 1842 Macon Co) Queen, John, Macon NC Aged 60-70 yrs Est birth 1770-1780 +1 M 20-30 (john, jr) Quinn, J. W. , Macon NC Aged 30-40 yrs Est birth 1800-1810 +1 M 16-20 Question: If John Wm Jr married in OCT of 1840 and he's still in John W Sr's hh who is this J W Quinn in Macon Co? Queen or Quinn? Does anyone have the rest of this census? 1830 (jw sr would be 56-61; jw jr would be 14) Queen, John Burke NC Queen, John Macon NC 1m 10-15, 1m 20-30, 1f 20-30 Queen, John Lincoln NC Quean, John Rowan NC Queen, John Haywood NC (20-30) Question: Does anyone have a copy of the JW sr in burke Co? Reiley stated that this JW sr was in Burke Co on Cove Creek. Who are all these other John's? JW jr would still be at home being 14. 1820 (jw sr would be 46-51; jw jr would be 4) Queen, John Burke NC 1 M +45, 1 M 10-16, 1 M 0-10, 1 F +45, 2 F 16-26, 3 F 0-10 1810 (jw sr would be 36-41) Queen, John Rowan NC 26-45 M, 16-26 F (not jw sr? he would have children, see 1810 & 1820) Queen, John Montgomery NC Queen, John Martin NC Question: Where was John William Sr in 1810? Who are these other Johns? Reiley places JW sr in Rutherford Co in 1806,1808,1809 (deeds, etc) 1800 (jw sr would be 26-31, mar abt. 1793-1795?) Queen, John Ruth. NC 1m -10, 1m 16-26, 2f -10, 1f 16-26 1790 (jw sr would be 16-21 at home w/parents) Queen, Henson Mont. Co NC 02-02-03 Just trying to get all my ducks in a row :) Mandy

Hope everyone on the list had a safe and Happy Holidays?    I've been really busy with the kids and cantatas and just a little of everything.   Hopefully I can get back to genealogy now.   I sure wish Santa had brought me a complete "Queen" tree!  :)    Well, that's something I can work on now.    Saw your comment on the Jr., Sr. thing.  This may throw a monkey wrench in it.   And this may be a southern thing, heck, it may be in my family only.    My father's name is   Billy Williams, Jr.    Not William,  No middle name,  just as you see it.   His father's name?    Oscar Cornelius Williams     Now how in the world did they get that?????????  What kind of rules followed that????????   LOL   If you find out, let me know! Just to let eveyone know who I am looking for here's my hubby's family: "Direct" Descendants of John Queen                     1  John Queen    b: Abt. 1775?        .+Mary "Polly" Campbell    b: Abt. 1798 KY? Williamson/Maury Co., TN?    m: April 30, 1816 Maury Co., TN    d: Bef. 1850 2      Female ? Queen    b: Btn. 1810 - 1820        2      Male ? Queen    b: Btn. 1816 - 1820        2      Male ? Queen    b: Btn. 1816 - 1820        2      James Campbell Queen    b: May 7, 1819 (Franklin Co., TN? or GA?)/Franklin Co., TN        d: January 26, 1897 Beech Creek, Wayne Co., TN ....    +Priscilla Jobe    b: 1818 Williamson Co., TN    m: Btn. 1844 - 1845 Wayne Co?, TN    d: Btn. 1853 - 1856 Wayne Co., TN ...    3      Mary Jane Queen    b: January 4, 1846 Wayne Co?, TN    d: Wayne Co., TN ...    3      Nancy C. Queen    b: 1847 Wayne Co., TN        d:  Wayne Co., TN ...    3      Elisabeth Queen    b: 1848 Wayne Co., TN        d:  Wayne Co., TN ...    3      Thomas Jake (James?) Queen    b: February 1850 TN        d: 1913 TN? or AR?/Tennessee .......+Amanda C. Grimes    b: 1852 Wanye Co.?, TN    m: November 17, 1869 Wayne Co., TN    d: Btn. 1880 - 1883 Wayne Co., TN ......    4      John J. Queen    b: 1871        d: Deceased ......    4      Martha E. Queen    b: 1872        d: Deceased ......    4      Francis C. Queen    b: 1873        ......    4      Thomas Fillmore "Fillmore" Queen    b: 1878 Wayne Co., TN        d: Aft. 1931 Wayne Co., TN ......    4      Charles Franklin Queen    b: January 9, 1880 Wayne Co., TN        d: 1902 Wayne Co., TN .......        +Katie C. Holmes    b: 1863 AL    m: June 24, 1883 Tipton Co., TN    d: Btn. 1901 - 1905 TN ......    4      Benjamin Franklin "Sandy" Queen    b: July 21, 1884 Haywood Co., TN        d: September 15, 1953 Lauderdale Co., TN ..........        +Rosie Bell Wardlow    b: January 10, 1884 Lauderdale Co., TN    m: 1907    d: December 1, 1963 Lauderdale Co., TN ........    5      Edgar Lee "EL" Queen    b: January 3, 1910 Lauderdale Co., TN        d: November 3, 1991 Lauderdale Co., TN  (hubby's Grandfather) ......    4      Fannie Queen    b: July 1887 TN        d: Deceased ......    4      Annie K. Queen    b: August 1893 TN        d: Deceased ARK ......    4      Mary Queen    b: May 1896 TN        d: Deceased ......    4      Lois Queen    b: February 15, 1899 Lauderdale Co., TN        d: March 20, 1978 Lauderdale Co., TN ......    4      Lorine Queen    b: July 11, 1901 Lauderdale Co., TN        d: September 14, 1977 Lauderdale Co., TN .......+Annie Jackson    b: 1883 TN    m: Btn. 1905 - 1906    ......    4      Will Queen    b: 1906        ......    4      Edward Sanford Queen    b: 1907        ......    4      Jack B. Queen    b: 1908        d: Unknown ......    4      Infant Queen    b: Abt. 1909        ......    4      O. Earl Queen    b: March 5, 1910 d: January 14, 1958 Lauderdale Co., TN ......    4      Aaron Queen    b: February 16, 1912 ARK        d: August 1991 ...    3      William McDonald Queen    b: August 3, 1852 Wayne Co., TN        d: May 6, 1928 Dunklin Co., MO  (Carol's family, postalq@grnco.net) ...    3      James H. Queen    b: December 23, 1853 Wayne Co., TN        d: November 16, 1899 ....    +Lucinda Haswell Newborn    b: December 11, 1829    m: Btn. 1854 - 1855 Wayne Co., TN    d: Bef. 1890 Wayne Co., TN ...    3      Charles F. "Charley" Queen    b: October 1, 1856 Wayne Co., TN        d: April 21, 1906 Trenton, Gibson Co., TN ...    3      Priscilla Alamenta "Minty" Queen    b: August 1857 Wayne Co., TN        ...    3      Harriet Frances Queen    b: 1860 Wayne Co., TN        ...    3      Janetta M. Queen    b: 1862 Wayne Co., TN        ...    3      John N. Queen    b: 1866 Wayne Co., TN        d: 1896 ...    3      Lucy Ann Queen    b: November 18, 1868 Wayne Co., TN        d: December 1948 MS ....    +Nancy Isabell Montague    b: November 6, 1814 Wayne Co., Tennessee    m: December 4, 1890 Wayne Co, TN    2      Elizabeth Ann Queen    b: July 4, 1820 (cen sts MS)        d: May 30, 1904 .......+Thompson M. Morgan   m. November 27, 1839 Wayne Co., TN Mandy Queen, listowner

Where can I find the rules for the proper naming of Juniors, seniors and their children. For instance, is the son of a Jr. the 1st or the 2nd or the 3rd? When is the term Sr. used properly, How does one become the 1st? Baffled as usual, Don Queen

Penny in Massachusetts, I am Carl E. Queen and I live in Pennsylvania, none of my ancestors are from Pa. but tell me what you need and maybe I can help. I have seen Queen in Pa while doing my own research as far back as 1790-1800, some within eight miles of where I live. Let me know if I can be of any help to you. Carl E. Queen ----- Original Message ----- From: <PPeejoe@aol.com> To: <QUEEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: [QUEEN] Queens in PA > I'm desperate, are there any Queen researchers out there who have Queens in > Pennsylvania? > > Thanks, > Penny in Massachusetts > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > GenConnect Family Association: Queen > Surname Index > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=88QUEEN > >

--part1_61.a3d6b23.2788ec45_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_61.a3d6b23.2788ec45_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <listadmin-bounces@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-xd05.mx.aol.com (rly-xd05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.170]) by air-xd03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:21:41 -0500 Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by rly-xd05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:21:11 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f06LL7a27956 for QUEEN-admin@lists6.rootsweb.com; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:21:07 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:21:07 -0800 X-From_: tombrown@jhu.edu Sat Jan 6 13:21:07 2001 Received: from newmail.rootsweb.com (newmail.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.103]) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f06LL6327938; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:21:07 -0800 Received: from jhuml3.jhu.edu (jhuml3.jhu.edu [128.220.2.66]) by newmail.rootsweb.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f06LL5Y20324; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:21:05 -0800 Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.jhuml3.jhu.edu by jhuml3.jhu.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #47562) id <0G6R00501FB8DM@jhuml3.jhu.edu>; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by jhuml3.jhu.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #47562) id <0G6R00501FB7DK@jhuml3.jhu.edu> (original mail from tombrown@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu); Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by jhuml3.jhu.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #47562) with ESMTP id <0G6R003DLFB7R1@jhuml3.jhu.edu>; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tombrown@localhost) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (SGI-8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA52660; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:21:07 -0500 (EST) Old-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:21:07 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas F Brown <tombrown@jhu.edu> To: afrigeneas@msstate.edu, baltgen-l@rootsweb.com, mdgen-l@rootsweb.com, MD-AfriGeneas@egroups.com, MD-BaltimoreCity-D@rootsweb.com, QUEEN-D@rootsweb.com, Heritage2@aol.com Message-id: <200101062121.QAA52660@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: Queen Families in Maryland X-Envelope-To: QUEEN-D X-Mailer: Unknown Queen is a common surname among the mulatto and black population of southern MD, DC, and Baltimore. There were many white slave-owning Queens, and some of the non-white Queens may have gotten their surname from their owners. However, there was also a large free Queen family in the region. Odds are good that your line was free, and there is another explanation for the free family's surname origin. Between 1796 and 1813, various members of the Queen family instituted a rash of freedom petitions in Southern Maryland and D.C. courts. They claimed that they were legally entitled to their freedom because of their descent from Mary Queen, who had supposedly been a free woman. Elderly white members of the community were deposed for these cases, but their testimony conflicted as to whether Mary had been free or not. They also disagreed as to her origins. One person recalled her as a "South American Indian", another as being "from England". Much of this testimony was hearsay of hearsay, and none too reliable. However, the deposition of Benjamin Duvall reveals the most likely version of events, because he actually knew Mary Queen. [This deposition is in Nancy Queen v. Rev. Charles Sewall, Charles County Court Proceedings, Liber IB, 1796-97.] Duvall's father, Marcen Duvall of Anne Arundel County, had bought another slave--Sarah, a "Mundingo Negro"--off of the same boat that Mary Queen came in on. Also on the boat was Golden Coast Tom, purchased by "old Mr. Murdock". Thus this ship would appear to have contained West Africans. Duvall knew Mary Queen because she came to his father's plantation to visit her shipmate Sarah, and the two women spoke the same foreign language. Duvall was about eight when Mary was bought, placing her arrival ca. 1721. According to Duvall's testimony, it looks like Mary was probably in her early teens when she arrived. Mary's owner was James Carroll, who called her "his Pappow Queen", because she claimed to be a queen in her own country. Mary's skin color was "very yellow". She "wore beads on her arms and had her head dressed with them...and twisted round her hair, which was...near a yard long. And on the top she had a knot of beads." Mary had a mulatto son named Ralph, whose father was reputed to be "Thomas Barm who kept her as a mistress". Although Mary's great-granddaughter Nancy Queen lost her freedom suit, some members of the Queen family did manage to attain their freedom. Edward Queen was freed by his owner John Ashton in 1791 in PG County. He then sued Ashton for having held him in slavery, but lost the suit. Edward died in Baltimore in 1798. Other free Queens show up in D.C., Baltimore, Prince George's County, and Anne Arundel County records beginning around this time. In D.C., Queens were among the wealthiest members of the free black community during the antebellum period. During the late 1800s, Queens in Charles and PG Counties married into the mulatto deme that was beginning to self-identify as "Wesorts". Today, some descendants of this community pass for "Piscataway Indians", although evidence for their Piscataway ancestry is circumstantial and quite dubious. The records in D.C. and Southern MD have been fairly well preserved. If your Queen line was free, with any luck you could be able to trace them back to 1800 or even earlier. If they were enslaved, it will be much more difficult. If you can get your line back to the early 1800s, I can give you citations to the court cases to see if any of those names match. Also check Paul Heinegg's website at: www.freeafricanamericans.com. He has an entry on the Queen family. Thomas tombrown@jhu.edu --part1_61.a3d6b23.2788ec45_boundary--

I'm desperate, are there any Queen researchers out there who have Queens in Pennsylvania? Thanks, Penny in Massachusetts

I would like to correspond with persons researching the QUEEN lineage in Maryland. I have successfully traced John H. Queen (ca. 1855-1927) and wife (Mary) Eliza Alcorn (ca. 1862-1917) to 1880, residing in Baltimore City. Moving beyond 1880 has been a challenge. Per the 1870 Anne Arundel census there is a Henry Queen residing in the Crownsville district: household of Henry Queen 43, Black, Carpenter, born in MD (as is wife and children); wife is Caroline 40, a cook; William H. 17; John H. 15; Rachel 14; Amelia 10; Christopher 9; Josiah 7; and Elija J. 4. It is my belief that the John reflected in this census record is my John H. Queen, however I have not yet been able to confirm. The names William and Amelia appear among his children. Information has been shared with me that a Dr. William Queen of Anne Arundel county was a slave holder who might of have been the owner of Henry Queen and his family. I would appreciate information regarding the slaves of William Queen and his Estate information. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who may be related to or researching the above families. I am willing to work with persons connected to these families. Celeste

> I found these on the Horry County, South Carolina Historical Page. > http://www.hchsonline.org/index.html > > > HORRY COUNTY, SOUTH CAROLINA > DEED BOOK ABSTRACTS > Abstracted by Catherine H. Lewis > > > > [ Deed Book A-1 > 300 William McQueen and Judith McQueen. L/GS/A to God and people called > Methodist, to Richard Galivant, William Palmer, David Rowland, William > McQueen, James Galevant, Peter Skipper and Daniel McQueen, trustees. 1 @, > pt. of large tract gr. to John Russ, and conveyed through several hands to > said William McQueen. NE side Little Pee Dee, N side Savanah C., and on head > of Piney Br., a prong of Howells Br. 22 Mar 1806. S/William McQueen, Judith > McQueen. W/Ezekial Skipper#, Nathan (x) Hardwick. PS/7 Apr 806. Plat S/D. > Rowland 22 Mar 1806. Recd 13 Apr 1807. > > > Horry District > Commissioner of Location > Plat Books A, B, C, 1802-1831 > Plat Book A > > Page Number; Owner and description of grant; Date Surveyed; Date Entered > > > 29 Daniel McQUEEN, Sen.: 320 acres on S side of Lake Sw. and on Loosing Sw., > bd. by Jacob Hoover (?), William McQueen, Thomas Garrel, Daniel McQueen, > Sen., Isaac Stevens, John Garrel & Daniel McQueen, Jun. 28 Mar 1803 8 IV > > 60b Daniel McQUEEN, Junr.: 126 acres on Chinners Sw., bd. by Patrick Donely > & John Smith, Israel Tomkins, Benjamin Moore, Judity Peyre. Note: sent by > Mr. Hanion. 10 Mar 1806 IV 19 1806 > > 72 William McQUEEN, Junr., son of Daniel & Susannah McQueen, minor: 337 > acres on Lake Sw., include. the mouth of Joiners Sw., bd. by Benjamin > Garrel, James Graham, Daniel McQueen, not known. Note: sent by Wm. McQueen. > 22 Aug 1808 IX 12 1808 > > > Horry District > Commissioner of Location > Plat Books A, B, C, 1802-1831 > Plat Book B > [A new book in much poorer condition begins here and the numbering begins > again. The microfilm shows no designation, but for identification purposes > here, it will be referred to as B.] > > Page Number; Owner and description of grant; Date Surveyed; Date Entered > B63 Daniel McQUEEN: 68 acres NE side Little Peedee R., N side Savannah Cr., > bd. by Samuel Hardwick, Daniel and Samuel McQueen, John Russ. Note: Above > plat given to Samuel Lewis. Fees to be paid by Captn. Sweet on account J. > Lewis making a Plat for him. 27 181? > B103 Richd. GALLAVANT: 330 acres NE side Little Pee Dee R., bd. by Richard > Gallevant And William McQueen, Peter Skipper, Henry Avant and Richd. > Gallevant, the river. 11 Nov 1816 16 Nov 1816 > C76 Bryan PITMAN and Silas PITMAN: 522 acres S side Lake Sw., bd. by William > McQueen, Allins Johnston, Hardy Pitman, vacant or unknown. 18 Mar 1824 10 > Apr 1824 > C19 William McQUEENE, Senr.: 104 acres NE side Little Pee Dee R., at mouth > of Treadwell's Sw., bd. by William McQueen, Richard Gallevant, the river. 26 > May 1820 XI 10 > > >

Several QUEEN records on this site: site address: http://www.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/archives/marriage.s If you use AOL you will probably have to copy and paste to get the address to work. Carol Don't let another child be hurt by ignorance. Educate yourself and your children about Tourette Syndrome. www.tsa-usa.org Care2 make the world greener !

19 QUEEN marriage records in Indiana before 1851. Go to: http://www.bmpl.cnz.com/bmpl8.html then scroll down and click on the marriage index database. Carol Don't let another child be hurt by ignorance. Educate yourself and your children about Tourette Syndrome. www.tsa-usa.org Care2 make the world greener !

Thomas QUEEN - resident of Morgan Co AL - enrolled 22 July 1833 for pension aged 82 - pvt NC militia Thomas QUEEN - applied for pension 1 Sept 1832 aged abt 80 - resident of Morgan Co AL - volunteered Mar 1780 - served under Capt McKENZIE, Lt Humphrey BARNES, Ensign BARNETT - later enlisted in Burke Co NC & served 15 months under Major BLUFORD, Col HILL, Gen SUMTER - in battles at Browns Old Field and Eutaw Springs - moved to Union Co SC, then to Elbert Co GA, then to Bedford Co TN, then to Morgan Co AL Michael QUINN - pension books at Mobile AL show his pension was transferred to SC Don't let another child be hurt by ignorance. Educate yourself and your children about Tourette Syndrome. www.tsa-usa.org Care2 make the world greener !

--part1_e6.f6f3061.277ec598_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_e6.f6f3061.277ec598_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <SGBAldwin@aol.com> From: SGBAldwin@aol.com Full-name: SGBAldwin Message-ID: <ce.e9701f3.277dcb9d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 06:12:29 EST Subject: Re: [QUEEN] Queen/Campbell To: faded-genes@wildmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 29 Try again: Here is my line of QUEENS , CAMPBELLS and other families: Order of linage: Hanson Family: John Hanson 1 md Mary------1714 John Hanson II ( b. 1681, d 1734) m 11/30/1705 Elizabeth Hussey (d 1747)=20 Clements:=20 Elizabeth Plunkett b. bfr 1728 m John Clements,1 b 1647 descendents: William Clements Sr m Mary Hanson=20 Bennett Hanson Clements m (unknown) b1732 , d1777=20 Bennett H Clements 11 m Charity he was born 1754 d 1804 Basil Clements (1-16-1770-11-2-1848 m. Mary Morgan b in Ky d-bef 1826 Patrick Clements b.7/7/1803 d7/21/1881 Md Permelia Campbell 6/15/1805-6/8/1871 Patrick's family Patrick Clements B 7-7-1803 in -( can't decipher the handwriting) d7-21-1881= =20 Mon 1-3-1824 Permilia Campbell b. 6-15-1805 or 7/15? In KY d 6-8-1871=20 someone sent me information copied from his will showing a widow -Susan.=20 Second wife? (His parents : Basil Clements -Mary Morgan(her father Patrick wa= s=20 a rev. war soldier) Patricks Children: Children: John b. 11-8-1827 -IN. d- 7-6-1904 M. 2-2-1890 Lucinda=20 Poindexter(10-6-1836,d 5-28-1911 (St Josephs Records In Indiana.=20 William -b 1830 -d 1-1-1887 - In , m. 11-28-1852 to Mary Jane Williams d=20 2-01?-1823 (47) Basil Jr- 1834 d 3-23(or24) 1874 m 11-20-1856,Minerva Queen (no b and d=20 record on here) Uriah -b 1837 d-8-16-1895 m. 1st Mary Ann Love on 11-11-1860 2nd Nancy D=20 Padgett on 4-30-1867 Rebecca b 1839 d ? m. George W . Arthis Patrick Jr b 7-22-1841(or 42) d, 4-15-1903 m 4-30- 1861 Mary Alice Anthisb=20 2-1-1848 d 3-21-1911=20 James b. 1-3-1845 d 4-8-1923 m Mary Elizabeth Miles Mary Ann b 1825 in KY d 2-11-1860 m 4-4-1844 Sylvester Kidwell Jr.=20 (This information was provided to me by a distant cousin:=20 There is a note below that says " My date for John is not right( John and=20 Lucinda in 1850 censes 96 97 )" ** It also says :=20 There was revalidation for St Joes records and Rebecca lived with Patrick an= d=20 Permilia in 1860 and ditto 1870 at 31 per census . She was 21 for census.=20 1840 Census shows one female other than Permilia who was 15-20 years? ) Mary Ann Clements (1825-2-11-1860 m Sylvester Kidwell, Jr.(5/23/1822-2/4/191= 0 Celia Ann Kidwell (1/22/1849-8/28/1937) m William I Queen (5/1845-12/31/02) James Richard Queen M Alice Modrena Greenwell _m y grandparents =20 QUEEN family: I have two seperate QUEEN families in my linage: RICHARD MARSHAM QUEEN-PARENTS UNKINOWN (father of my Henrietta who married=20 John Kidwell) Charles County Wills- Book 1, Page 111 Richard Marsham Queen, an orphan about six years of age on the 23rd day of=20 October last is by the court and consent of his mother bound unto William=20 Montgomery, of Peter, until he acquires to the age of twenty-one , who being= =20 present in court accepts thereof and engages to learn him to read distinctly= =20 on the Bible , to write a legible hand and to cypher as far as the rule of=20 three and when free to give him a decent suit of apparel; to wit , of milled= =20 country cloth or German Sarge, a pair of shooes and stockings a fine hat and= =20 two white shirts and a silk handkerchief. Tuesday, April 8, 1783 Jane Queen an orphan three years of age- 31st day of August last is by the=20 court with the consent of the mother bound unto William Montgomery, of Peter= ,=20 until she arrives to the age of sixteen; he being present in court and=20 accepts thereof and engages to learn her to read the Bible distinctly and to= =20 write a legible hand and when free to give her a decent suit of apparel cons= i sting of gown and petties of country cloth , a pair of shoes and stockings,=20= a=20 silk bonnet, a silk handkerchief, two white shifts and a spinning wheel and=20= a=20 pair of cotton cords. Tuesday April 8, 1783=20 Richard M. Queen m Sara Webb in 1800 in (Washington Co?), Ky parents of=20 Henrietta Queen. He died around 1814 HENRIETTA QUEEN (ca 1802 _ca1882 m JOHN KIDWELL ca 1797 -died bef 2-3-1836(o= n=20 1-22-1890 The following is not the son of Richard --- PARENTS OF JAMES -UNKNOWN JAMES M QUEEN born 1820 in Ky.or IN. Died Nov, 1862 in Danville, Ky m. first= =20 Mary STRANGE 1822 to 18?) she was my ancestor =20 2nd m Priscila Miles=20 James M Queen (1820? to 11/20/1862) m. 1st Mary Strange (1822 to 18?)=20 shen Ky or Indiana depending on whose account you read. He was born in 1820= .=20 He apparently came to Brown Towship, Martin Co, In as a young man and=20 married at age 19 to Mary Magdalen Strange. They had two children: Joseph=20 born in 1841 and William Ignatius born in May 1845.( this is my great=20 grandfather). James then married Priscilla Miles and had eight more=20 children. He was in the Army during the Civil War. He enrolled on the 14th= =20 day of August 1862 at Loogootee in Co "B" 80th Regiment of Indiana =20 Volunteers to service as a Private on the thrid day of September 1862 in=20 Princeton in Co B 80th Regiment of Indiana. Vlunteers to serve Three years= =20 on during the war. On the Mustor Roll of Co. "B" of the Regiment , for the=20 months of Sept. Oct. Nov, Dec Han , Feb March, Month of March 1863, he is=20 reported Died of Disease at Danville, Ky Nov 20th 1862. =20 This is from his Pension Record filed by his wife Priscilla Miles Queen . =20 KIDWELL : SYLVESTER KIDWELL m. MARY ANN CLEMENTS - see above. HEZEHIAH KIDWELL ca 1745 -1812 m Susanna BARTLESTON 1769 -1818=20 JOHN KIDWELL -seee above MORGAN PATRICK MORGAN (civil war soldier) m ?=20 MARY MORGAN m Basil Clements (1-16-1770-11-2-1848 (see above) WILLIAM GREENWELL 1783 m MARY LOVE (LOWE?) 1-26-1789 -1-22-1869 William Richard Greenwell m Martha Weekley(Jan 28,1832) Her parents were=20 Nancy Cook b in Ky and fathers first name unknown son William Richardm Deborah White(02/21/1857 in Indiana, d. 10/18/1922)=20 (12/1/1851- in Union Co Ky and died 7/16/1914 in Loogootee, IN=20 James Richard Queen m. ALCIE MADRENA GREENWELL (My grandparents. )=20 (Greenwells listed below)=20 White family: Isaac and Sarah (Vaughn) White=20 John White m ? Andrew White m Susan Melvina O'Brien This from my cousin Pat Ekbert: I finally received Andrew J. White's military packet from the National=20 Archives Trust Fund in Washington, DC on Sat. 2/13/1999! I guess this wasn'= t=20 too long of a wait, considering I mailed the request form the 3rd or 4th=20 weekend in Nov. of 1998! I know that I am sending this information to a lot of different people, but=20 all of these people are connected to either the O'Brien, White's, Summers,=20 Browns, etc., all thru: =20 Susan 'Melvina' O'Brien Summers White (1820 KY) daughter of Peter O'Brien &=20 Elizabeth Moore from Daviess Co., IN; thru Andrew J. White (1834 IN -=20 2/4/1872 IN) son of John White, Daviess Co., IN; Thomas Summers, who was=20 Susan 'Melvina' O'Brien's 1st husband who died in 1850. Greenwells: Other information on Greenwells brothers and sisters along with my family.=20 William Greenwell -1783 m Mary Love(Lowe?)(Polly) -January 26, 1789 -January= =20 22, 1869 =20 St Mary Cemetary ,Barr=20 Twp,Daviess Co, IN=20 James 1418 -KY M Martha Walker July 22, 1812 -March 5, 1887 on Dec 11, 1844= =20 In Daviess CT. IN. George 1826 KY M Sarah Elizabeth Walker- Jan 1830 - June 5, 1901 in 1857 in=20 Daviess Co ,In William Richard 1830 - IN. m Martha Weekley Jan 28 1832 - June 25, 1909 on=20 unknown date in Ky.=20 Thomas July 26, 1833 -Oct 21. 1915 st Johns Cemetary <Loogootee, In m=20 Elizabeth fields Mahaley (b. May 24, 1840 d Oct 5, 1921) Aug 30, 1857 Davies= s=20 co. IN=20 Rebecca A 1824 KY Dec 10 , 1884 -Perry Township , Martin Co. IN. m Charles= =20 R. Van Hay -b. 1819 -20- d Dec 15, 1884 on =C3=BFec24, l849 in Martin Co, I= N Martha Elizabeth 1825 or 26 in Martin Co, IN d Feb 24 1875 in Loogootee m=20 John Francis Green (father is Thomas Green and mother Jennie Greenwell dat= e=20 1827 d Jan 30, 1901 on April 29, 1848 in Mt Pleasant, IN.=20 Children: Thomas-=20 George 1859 Ind d 1930 Loogootee In=20 (John)William Martin 1861 IN d 1930, IN m 1 Alice Williams 2nd Josephine=20 Eliz Gootee (Father James Gootee m Elizabeth Jones) In St Mary Barr Twp on=20 Aug 16, 1881 Thomas Henry Nov 8, 1862 IN m Anna M Gootee (father James Gootee m Elizabeth= =20 Jones0 On Aug 16, 1887 in Daviess Co IN James Thomas - died in Infancy Ann M -2-8-1867 to 1907 in Loogootee m Frank Jones=20 John Louis - 6-1-1869 d 12-7-1950 m Alice Maria Brothers=20 Eli -infant.=20 GEORGE GREENWELL - William Thomas b 1852 IN d 12-5 1899 -IN m Mary Emma Singleton (8-19-1858) o= n=20 May 7, 1878 Daviess Ct , IN. John W. 7-1854 IN 12-18-1828 -IN m. Sarah Hane Riney (2-5-1861-8-2-1909) 2= .=20 8-1883=20 James Henry -2-18-1856 ,In m Ann Bowling (2-14-1858-1896) in Barr twnsp ,IAn= =20 May 10, 1881 M 2nd- Joan Elizabeth Brown b. Feb 1865 d Jan 7, 1939=20 MARTHA ELIZABETH GREENWELL ( I am just going to name the children and who= =20 they Married as I need more time to work on this)=20 Martha E m Jacob Howell Rebecca Catherine m . Josiah Abel James Thomas m. Myra A Brown ( her mother was an Obrien)` Alice M m . John M Brown John Lewis m. (Nellie ) Ellen Jane Payne Ida May m. Samels Waggnor George W m Martha J. Gootee Mary Adeline m William Cass William D (unknown Helen Frances m John Thomas Summers James Greenwell, Children unknown if any William Richard Greenwell (my gggrandfather)=20 William Richard lll m Deborah White ( my ggrandparents): her mother Melvina=20 O=E2=80=99Brien, Father Andrew WHITE (I have a GED file on his family) Goorge Washington m. Elizabeth Patterson Elizabeth -? Joseph Walter m Alice Williams=20 Mary Elizabeth m. David Hamm Josephine -? Martha Ellen- ?=20 Ann Elizabeth m Levi Fax. --part1_e6.f6f3061.277ec598_boundary--

Alas, I would settle for a link to ANY of the darn Queens listed. My Hence (probably Henson) has a name, but no marriage (to Nancy York), death, or land record info. As for the Scotch, Bourbon, etc., this Scots Irish lass prefers Margaritaville! Happy New Year everyone! Rita Queen Bartmess