Sorry Queen listers, I am running way behind for a variety of reasons and am just posting some results that arrived thursday. They are discouraging from my point of view because they don't help resolve the Francis Queen ancestry, and they don't help the James Campbell Queen descendants much either. We are each adrift in our own little DNA boats. Anyway, events have overtaken me and I will be out of town until May 9th because of a death in the family. I'll try to check in, but if any amazing results come in, I am sure I can rely on Gene to report them to the group. I'll be in Kentucky. See ya when I get back! Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/2005

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: QUEEN, COAKLEY, COKELY, TAGGART Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3YBBAEB/535 Message Board Post: Looking for any info on Bessie QUEEN b. abt 1792 in Ireland. She married John COAKLEY, b. abt. 1788 in Ireland. They had at least one child, John COAKLEY Jr. (in one census spelled COKELY), b. 12 Jan 1814 in Ireland. John Jr. married Frances Taggart on 10 Jul 1844 in Paoli, Orange, Indiana, USA, and he d. 4 Jan 1864 in Orleans, Orange, IN. Need parent info on Bessie QUEEN, birthdate, place, etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Does anyone recognize these 3 Queens--the only ones I found on the Arizona Vital Statistics on line? Katy [No. 1] Microfilm copy [on internet] Arizona State Board of Health, Bureau of Vital Statistics [marked No. 1077]. This also marked by pen= " 167 " . Original Document follows: Date of Death 6/8/1935: "#477 [stamped]-- AZ Death Certificates: Yavapai County, Arizona, village Dewey. #209-B. 1951--JOHN QUEEN, resident 14 years at Dewey AZ; How long in state when death occurred -16 years; male, white, widower [Eula Queen, wife of]. Born "about 1885"; age: "about 50"; Ranch Hand; Birthplace: "no record", [State:] TEXAS; [No record of mother or father or birthplace]. Informant: Dan Fain, Address: Dewey, Arizona. Date of death 6/8/35 "Gunshot wound in head with suicidal intent"; at home; Embalmer.....Prescottt AZ; Removal to: Lubbock TX --6/13/1935; Registrar---filed: 6/12/35....;Was disease or injury in any way related to occupation of deceased? No. signed ......, Coroner, Prescott AZ." [No.2] WILLIAM LEWIS QUEEN July 26, 1893 NORTH CAROLINA --April 29, 1951 AZ, wife Rose survived.: "[stamped:] 2373; Registrar's No. 55 [copy of microfilm] Maricopa County, Arizona , in Glendale--rural-- 14 yrs.; in AZ 14 yrs; Route 2, Box 311. William Lewis Queen, male, white,[dates] Age: 57 years, 9 months, 3 days; Usual Occupation: bartender; Bar; Birthplace: North Carolina, USA. [US Armed Forces?]No; Social Security No. --None. Father's name: Unknown; Birthplace: Unknown Mother's maiden name: Unknown; Birthplace: Unknown; Informant: Rose Queen, Rt.2 Box 311 Glendale AZ; Date of Death April 29,1951. Cause of Death: Circulatory failure; Interval between onset and death: 48--72 hrs. Antecedant causes: Inanation & Debilitation, 12 months; Due to: Carconontosis; Other Significant Conditions: Probable Primary Ca[re] of liver or GB [gall bladder]. "I attended deceased from: 12/6, 1949 to 4/29/ 1951. That I last aw the deceased alive on 4/29/1951 and that death occurred at 1:40 PM from the causes and on the date stated above. Signature: F.P. McCann, D. O., Pearia, AZ signed 5/3/1951. Burial 5/2/1951 Resthaven Park, Glendale AZ.signed by Funeral director, Registrar, and Embalmer. [Hand numbered #750679]. [No. 3] birth Woodrow Wilson Queen 3/15/1913. "Maricopa County, District of Wilson, [stamped:]#216; County Register No. 146; Local Registrar's no. 1657. Wilson District, Child: Woodrow Wilson Queen, male, one child; Legitimate? yes; Date of birth March 15,1913. Father: WILLIAM A. QUEEN, Wilson District, white, age at last birthday-54, birthplace: NORTH CAROLINA; farmer. Mother: Hattie Harris, Wilson District, white, age at last birthday 42; birthplace TENN; housewife. Number of child. of this mother: 5. Now living, 3. Certificate of Physician; occurred 3/15/1913, at 1? AM, Otto E. Plath , physician; signed by Local Registrar 3/21/191_ and County Registrar [#685-315-882] on 4/8/1913. The End.

My husband and I have been researching the William and William Lewis Queen lines. Before we make the trip to North Carolina for more research would like to have some input if any other researcher has followed up on the property deeds in Anson County, NC of William Stone and William Queen and a possible relationship. Our thinking on the deeds. In 1754 William Stone land was surveyed and (first name not readable) Queen was a chain bearer. In most cases the chainbears were sons or other relatives. In 1755 William Stone sells to William Queen 100 acres, "on which he now lives." This to us implies some sort of relationship between William Stone and William Queen and his wife Margaret as he was already living on the property. This 100 acres is also sold to William Queen for 6 pounds, a small amount even for that date. In February 1768 William Queen sells this same 100 acres with wife Margaret "relinquishing her rights." The fact that Margaret relinquished her rights usually would have meant that she had a dower interest in the property given her by a relative. Now, we are not making this leap but just throwing out to see if anyone has already been down this road or if any more thoughts or ideas. The names of Stone, Queen, Smith, Downs and Vines keep turning up as sellers, buyers and witnesses for each other. In 1748, the people of the Pee Dee area petitioned for a new county, Anson, be formed since Elizabeth was over 100 miles away. Anson County was formed out of Bladen County in 1750. September 27, 1745 Before his Excellency the Governor at Bath the 27th of Sepr. 1745. Read the following Petitions for Warrants – Wm. Stone 400 acres, Bladen Co., Granted. 9 Pg. 195. 13 Feb 1748 Robert HUMPHRIS of Anson Co., to Duncan GRANT of same, for L10 Va. currency...100 A on N side of Great Pee Dee, S side of Little River...below William STONEs now dwelling place...half of 200 A granted to Robert MILLS 24 March 1747...confirmed by MILLS to William STONE by deed...then to Robert HUMPHRIS...Robert HUMPHRIS (RH) (SEAL), Wit: Charles ROBINSON, Benjamin B. VINES. pp.17-18: January 19, 1754 Bladen Co., NC – Surveyed for John Teer, 200 acres in Bladen Co., on a prong of Bear Creek including the place where William Queen lived; begin at a white oak, below the path leading from John Smith’s to Nicholas Smith. Nicholas Smith, John Keys, Chain bearers. 7 Pg. 173. July 24, 1754 Anson County, NC – William Stone; surveyed 24 July 1754 by Chas. Robinson; 200 acres near a long branch of a fork of Little River; Chain bearers: John Smith, _____ Queen. 6 Pg. 25. Anson Co. NC Deed Bk C-1, p. 88: 21 July 1755. William Stone of Anson Co., to William Queen of same, for 6 pound Va. money.....100 A granted to sd. Stone 23 Dec 1754...on Little River of Pee Dee, below mouth of Ridge Creek...and where William Queen now lives...William Stone (M)(seal), Wit: William Downs, Charles Robinson. Brent H. Holcomb, Anson County, North Carolina, Deed Abstracts, 1749-1766, Abstracts of Wills & Estates 1749-1795 (Baltimore: Genealogical Pub. Co., 1980), 206-207. 11 Feb. 1761. Benjamin Roberts of Anson Co. NC, planter to WILLIAM QUEEN of same, planter, for 30 pds. proc. money...part of 200 A granted to Robt. Mills 24 Mar 1747, conveyed to Wm Stone, then to Richd Downs, then to Benjamin Roberts...on bank of Little River, adj. Stone & William Crittenden, 100 A...Benjamin Roberts (seal), Wit: Sam'l Ratliff, Wm. (X) Jones . The Little River is in present-day Montgomery Co. Anson Co. NC Deed Bk H-1, p. 78: 13 July 1767. Wm. Queen, of Anson, to Wm. Mears, of Cumberland Co.,for 30 pounds, 100 acres on southwest side of Peedee, dividing line of Wm.Stone and Wm. Crittenden, part of 200 acres granted to Robt. Mills 24 Mch 1747 and conveyed by Robt. Mills to Wm. Stone; from Stone to Richard Downs;from Downs to Benj. Roberts; from Roberts to Wm. Queen, which the record w.John Smith, Sandhill Proved July term 1767 Mary Hount Reg. Oct. 10, 1767 Holcomb, Anson County, North Carolina Deed Abstracts 1749-1766 ...., 209-26. Feby. 1768. Wm. Queen to Sam'l Parsons, for 100 pounds proc., 100 acres granted to Wm. stone; 33 Dec 1750, from Stone to Wm. Queen, on bank of Little River, below Ridge's Creek, where said Wm. Queen now lives. Margaret, wife of Wm. Queen relinquishes rights. Marks of William and Margaret Queen affixed. Wit: John Curlo Smith, John Smith Sandhill . April term 1769 proved in court by oath of John Smith Sandhill. Anne & Dennis Wilson

Queen Carle, Katherine has sent this note about presenting information on DNA to group meetings. If you ever need it, check directly with her for ideas. You might take a copy of our Queen print-out with you if you can make your local meeting. [Find some more Queens from your neck of the woods.] A friend has just retired and tells me they have an "unknown" Queen grandmother from Oklahoma. I'm checking with her in hopes she has a Queen male we can identify. Katy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Hope BORGES" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:28 AM Subject: Next Project: DNA Speeches > Dear Admins, > > I'm going to begin work on "samples" of genetic genealogy > speeches. I have three levels of speeches in mind - > "non-technical", "semi-technical" and "technical". > > These speeches will be uploaded to the 'Files' portion > of the ISOGG Yahoo Groups website and are for members > to use. Members are free to edit it at will, and customize > the speeches to meet their own needs. > > Many of you may never give a speech on genetic genealogy, > but at some future time, you may want to download one of the > speeches for someone else to present at a family reunion, or other > such function, and that's fine too. > > I welcome input, critique and feedback! > ~Katherine > www.isogg.org > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 > >

Hi List Is anyone on the list familiar with the Ratley, Ratly, or Ratliff surname? From the Home of Jimmy and JoAnne Redmond Sr

This is for all on the list who want to know more about DNA. Here is a DNA Dictionary Link. I met the author today and we had an interesting conversation. He is giving a DNA seminar at the local Family History Center in a couple of weeks. I am not pushing anything for him or his site but thought it may be of interest to some. Carl http://www.kerchner.com/books/ggdictionary.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rolla Queen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: [QUEEN] New test results > Well, upgrade test results for 25551 are in, and they sure did not go as I > expected. The result is that our "almost" confirmed Group 2 has > disintegrated, and I have had to create a Group 7 to place the results for > Merideth Queen (c 1823, NC). At the 37 marker level strangely enough, the > closest match is participant 24082, the confirmed donor tracing back to > Old > William., but they are 7 mutations apart. This means that they likely did > not share a common ancestor within the time frame that surnames were > established, but may have shared an ancestor some time ago in the Old > Country. A little discussion might shed light on this result, since > Merideth > seems to be common Group 1 name, it might be worth exploring explanations > for this result, and the likely connections to the Group 1 Queens by other > means. > > Rolla > > http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ > http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005 > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > GenConnect Family Association: Queen > Surname Index > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=88QUEEN > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

I have no other info than what was on the previous post. I would assume the date is the one listed after name in parenthesis (093026). On the 1820 census, page 27, there appears to be two white males in a Jno Crum household, one middle age and one an older male, ages unreadable. I did not see any other Crums on pages 26-27-28. There are no Crum's listed in an 1830 search by name on Ancestry. On page 28, 1820 Ms census, there is a Queen household, Rich Queen, with males and females, ages unreadable. The following site address with get you to location where I found obit info. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mstippah/DeathPQR.html Mark

Anyone know the lineage of this William Queen? Anyone know anything else about this William? Gene snip... Thanks for your quick response! Yes, we have deceided to go for the 37 marker test. Like you, I feel it will be a wise investment. Elmer's mother was Rosan Ritchey born 1856 in Saline County Illinois. Her father John B. Ritchey was also born in Illinois 1821. His father Frances Adam Ritchey was born in N.C. about1796. His father John was born in Virginia, we do not have a date for him. On the 1860 census of Franklin Co. Illinois there is the family of William R. Queens from Tennessee (William is 35) wife Nancy 34, children; Mary J 9, Martha E. 7, Salena A. 5, and Rufus S. 3. Do these names mean anything? Franklin County is next door to Saline County. Food for thought. snip...

Well, upgrade test results for 25551 are in, and they sure did not go as I expected. The result is that our "almost" confirmed Group 2 has disintegrated, and I have had to create a Group 7 to place the results for Merideth Queen (c 1823, NC). At the 37 marker level strangely enough, the closest match is participant 24082, the confirmed donor tracing back to Old William., but they are 7 mutations apart. This means that they likely did not share a common ancestor within the time frame that surnames were established, but may have shared an ancestor some time ago in the Old Country. A little discussion might shed light on this result, since Merideth seems to be common Group 1 name, it might be worth exploring explanations for this result, and the likely connections to the Group 1 Queens by other means. Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: QUEEN/JOBE/NEWBORN/MEWBORN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3YBBAEB/534 Message Board Post: Hi everyone! We are seeking a volunteer who is a direct male descendent of James Campbell Queen of Wayne Co. TN, to participate in the ongoing QUEEN DNA project. A 12 marker DNA test will be conducted at NO EXPENSE to you! The test consists of only swabbing the inside of your cheek with a cotton swab and mailing the kit (postage already paid) to the lab. All the materials will be supplied to you, along with the instructions. It's simple and painless. If you are a direct descendent of this line and are interested in joining this exciting project please email me at [email protected] so that I can provide you with details. There is no 'catch'. We are simply trying to confirm or refute our own link from James Campbell Queen to one of the other older Queen families that have already had DNA testing, and need your help to do so. Thanks and best wishes! Carol

Obituaries from Ripley's SOUTHERN SENTINEL and other sources 1836 through 1936 http://www.rootsweb.com/~mstippah/DeathPQR.html QUEEN, WILLIAM (093026) died Saturday, age 97/ buried in Mt. Pleasant Cemetery, four miles east of Chalybeate/ were died a few years ago/ no one knows where he came from/ supposed to have a son who is on the ocean somewhere/ lived with Mr. Crum of Chalybeate.

Until this Olive Vine Queen, I had only heard Olivine and the name was used in almost all the families here. I am innciined to be lieve this was the census taker ( or at least I'm saying the name had no true reason for being two words.) who wrote it with two words.We also got the Ollie....here pronounced as O -Lee .( Rutherford County N C ) where the older Queens we have thus far were at one time.Betty

I show that Edward Jones married an "Olive Wines". Didn't put a source unfortunately, so not sure it's correct. I know that Olive was a popular name in our Queen line. Old William had a daughter named Olive but she was probably born well before 1789. And Joseph H. Queen, had a daughter, Olive Vine Queen, b. 1816 who married Daniel Colley. And Joseph H. married a sister to Edward Jones, Ursula Jones. Maizie Queen Young told me that there were so many Jones families in that area, she could never sort any of them out. Sorry, I didn't even come close to answering either of your questions. Vicki At 09:10 AM 4/26/2005, Reiley Kidd wrote: >I've recently been contacted by Anne Templeton Wilson, whose husband >evidently descends from Edward Jones and Olive Vine (Queen?). She writes: >My husband is a descendant of Edward Jones and Olive Vine (most likely >Queen) and a daughter of William Lewis Queen and wife. Our Olive Vine was >born 1789. Edward was a son of "Blind" John Jones the neighbor of William >L. Queen in Rutherford, NC. > > Now the questions, after amassing a ton of Queen information and > digging thru all of it I can find no reference to the wife as Margaret or > Margaret Meredith. Also, find in researching early Wilkes Co., GA that > there were only a small handful of white men there prior to reaching out > to the Indians in 1774 and then the settlers came in. > The 1788 Court record of William Queen testifying against the Anderson > and Wilsons. There is an Oliff Queen who also testified. At that point > in history a single female especially on such a delicate manner usually > would not be in court. Could Williams wife possibly be Olive, it would > almost seem logical that if a man gave testimony in an "abortion" that > the wife would also be included. Just a theory.????? Also would explain > the plethora of Olive, Olivevina and so on down the family line. >She asks two hard questions: >1. What evidence do we have that William Lewis Queen's wife's given name >was Margaret? and >2. What evidence is there that her surname was Meredith? > >I think that we've hashed the second question out on the list earlier, and >concluded that there IS no hard evidence. >The first question has me stumped. Can anyone help? > >And yes, I'm strongly encouraging her to join the list. Demonstrating the >power and effectiveness of the list on this question may convince her to join. > >Thanks, >Reiley Kidd >Seattle > > > >==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== >Visit my homepage: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ >QUEEN YDNA PROJECT >http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True >http://www.ysearch.org/ > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Also, John Queen of Tishomingo county, Mississippi, named a daughter Nancy Olive Queen. She is listed as Oliff Queen on her marriage registration. Luann -----Original Message----- From: Vicki [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [QUEEN] the name of William Lewis Queen Sr.'s wife I show that Edward Jones married an "Olive Wines". Didn't put a source unfortunately, so not sure it's correct. I know that Olive was a popular name in our Queen line. Old William had a daughter named Olive but she was probably born well before 1789. And Joseph H. Queen, had a daughter, Olive Vine Queen, b. 1816 who married Daniel Colley. And Joseph H. married a sister to Edward Jones, Ursula Jones. Maizie Queen Young told me that there were so many Jones families in that area, she could never sort any of them out. Sorry, I didn't even come close to answering either of your questions. Vicki At 09:10 AM 4/26/2005, Reiley Kidd wrote: >I've recently been contacted by Anne Templeton Wilson, whose husband >evidently descends from Edward Jones and Olive Vine (Queen?). She writes: >My husband is a descendant of Edward Jones and Olive Vine (most likely >Queen) and a daughter of William Lewis Queen and wife. Our Olive Vine was >born 1789. Edward was a son of "Blind" John Jones the neighbor of William >L. Queen in Rutherford, NC. > > Now the questions, after amassing a ton of Queen information and > digging thru all of it I can find no reference to the wife as Margaret or > Margaret Meredith. Also, find in researching early Wilkes Co., GA that > there were only a small handful of white men there prior to reaching out > to the Indians in 1774 and then the settlers came in. > The 1788 Court record of William Queen testifying against the Anderson > and Wilsons. There is an Oliff Queen who also testified. At that point > in history a single female especially on such a delicate manner usually > would not be in court. Could Williams wife possibly be Olive, it would > almost seem logical that if a man gave testimony in an "abortion" that > the wife would also be included. Just a theory.????? Also would explain > the plethora of Olive, Olivevina and so on down the family line. >She asks two hard questions: >1. What evidence do we have that William Lewis Queen's wife's given name >was Margaret? and >2. What evidence is there that her surname was Meredith? > >I think that we've hashed the second question out on the list earlier, and >concluded that there IS no hard evidence. >The first question has me stumped. Can anyone help? > >And yes, I'm strongly encouraging her to join the list. Demonstrating the >power and effectiveness of the list on this question may convince her to join. > >Thanks, >Reiley Kidd >Seattle > > > >==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== >Visit my homepage: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ >QUEEN YDNA PROJECT >http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True >http://www.ysearch.org/ > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== Visit my homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I've recently been contacted by Anne Templeton Wilson, whose husband evidently descends from Edward Jones and Olive Vine (Queen?). She writes: My husband is a descendant of Edward Jones and Olive Vine (most likely Queen) and a daughter of William Lewis Queen and wife. Our Olive Vine was born 1789. Edward was a son of "Blind" John Jones the neighbor of William L. Queen in Rutherford, NC. Now the questions, after amassing a ton of Queen information and digging thru all of it I can find no reference to the wife as Margaret or Margaret Meredith. Also, find in researching early Wilkes Co., GA that there were only a small handful of white men there prior to reaching out to the Indians in 1774 and then the settlers came in. The 1788 Court record of William Queen testifying against the Anderson and Wilsons. There is an Oliff Queen who also testified. At that point in history a single female especially on such a delicate manner usually would not be in court. Could Williams wife possibly be Olive, it would almost seem logical that if a man gave testimony in an "abortion" that the wife would also be included. Just a theory.????? Also would explain the plethora of Olive, Olivevina and so on down the family line. She asks two hard questions: 1. What evidence do we have that William Lewis Queen's wife's given name was Margaret? and 2. What evidence is there that her surname was Meredith? I think that we've hashed the second question out on the list earlier, and concluded that there IS no hard evidence. The first question has me stumped. Can anyone help? And yes, I'm strongly encouraging her to join the list. Demonstrating the power and effectiveness of the list on this question may convince her to join. Thanks, Reiley Kidd Seattle

I'd like to throw this question out like a fly-fisherman casts a line and see what I reel in... Aside from those folks who already know that they trace back to Francis Queen (earliest confirmed date, 1778, Iredell County, North Carolina), are there any other folks out there that trace back to any Queens that come from or spend some time in Rowan County, Iredell County, Wilkes County, or Alexander County, North Carolina, and that do not definitively trace back to Francis, or can be traced to one of the other Queen lineages on the list? I think I put some stink bait on that lure, so it ought to attract something! Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005

James Queen1777-->children "Pleasant Queen schrum" "Old" William Queen son: William Lewis Queen, Sr. 1749 - 1835 md. 1773. William Lewis, Jr. James Queen Meredith*the elder Hampton*the elder? A. Nancy says: Gene's Alfred 1808 [below] Thru this line. WORKING PAPER ONLY-QUEEN LIST APRIL 24, 2005 B. Linda Menikos comes back [4/24/2005] with an altered schrum: ***the younger LINDA SAYS; JAMES QUEEN b. 1777 Wilkes Co. GA-3/22/1845 Rutherford Co. NC [RNC=Rutherford County, NC] md. Sarah Jones b. circa 1779 *** *** 1.Richard ** 2.William Allen 3.Mary 4.Pleasant L.*5.Lettie 6.Alfred Jones 7.Meredith 8James Jamason 9.Hampton 10.Sarah b:1804 NC b:1806 b.1808 b.8/17/1810 b.2/14/1813 b.1814RNC b.1815RNC?-b.5/17/1818RNC- b.1825 b.1827 d. d. after 1870 -md. David Hall- d. 1888 md.James Hall md. Martha md.Eliz. d.6/21/1901 md.Posey md.Ruth md. Mira Wilkerson md.Martha Lloyd Jeffrys Grayson ? Morgan 2nd md.Thos.Dorsey-2ndmd.Mary has a son Wm.Allen,Jr. Jeffrys **1. KSM: I agree we should add Richard to the The Pleasant Queen schrum: " "Rutherford Co. NC William A. 55, son of JAMES and brother to Richard" Queen-List 1/05/03 [from census of 1860?]. *2. KSM: Our discussion on the name "Louellyn/Lou Allen/possibly Llewellyn" has to do with the L. in Pleasant's name, followed by "Lou Allen", the son, being named "Pleasant"when he was 4 in the 1860 GA census, and called various spellings thereafter.[Queen-List Nancy (Mimi) 4/34/05] ***3.KSM : Both of James' sons, Meredith and Hampton named for James' brothers? So they are "Meredith the younger and Hampton the younger". Working Paper Only - Queen-List April 24. 2005.KSM.

Thanks, James--Yes, I have a friend named Louellyn, went to school with her--she's just retired. I partcularly picked out from your list: > 27. Marny LLEWELLYN - 1880 States Census / California > Other Gender: Female Birth: <1854> WHALES<----- Because the census takers spelled his name so many ways over the years, we may never know which is correct. Linda Menikos says Pleasant L. the father, had two wives. There is a possibility that "LouAllen" was the last child of the first wife, and possible? it was her surname: "Llewellyn"which is Welsh. Who knows? Your list shows such a family name in Georgia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James B. Hardin" <[email protected]> To: "Katy McMillen" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: The Pleasant Queen Schrum > Katy, > > Your take on Lou Allen Queen triggered my memory concerning a surname I > had a brush with on my Hicks Line. both the sound and nationality of the > name and the sound of the name ring true. The census man may have written > down exactly what he heard. > > Its a long shot but check out the following 1880 Census listing for > variants on the surname for examples - I have no idea which one or ones > are "main stream". There may be one of these in Lou Allen Queen's mother's > lineage. > > Census - 1880 US Census > 26. William LEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / California > Other Gender: Male Birth: <1852> WALES > 27. Marny LLEWELLYN - 1880 States Census / California > Other Gender: Female Birth: <1854> WHALES > 29. George LLEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / California > Self Gender: Male Birth: <1844> ENG > 30. Mary LLEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / California > Wife Gender: Female Birth: <1848> IRE > 31. Lizzie LLEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / California > Dau Gender: Female Birth: <1874> CA > 32. George LLEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / California > Son Gender: Male Birth: <1876> CA > 33. Minnie LLEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / California > Dau Gender: Female Birth: <1877> CA > 34. Lottie LLEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / California > Dau Gender: Female Birth: <1879> CA > 35. W. LLEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / Colorado > Other Gender: Male Birth: <1842> WALES > 36. Ellen E. LEWELLEN - 1880 United States Census / District of Columbia > Other Gender: Female Birth: <1861> VA > 37. Arnold LLEWELLEN - 1880 United States Census / Georgia > Self Gender: Male Birth: <1820> GA > 38. Winny LLEWELLEN - 1880 United States Census / Georgia > Wife Gender: Female Birth: <1830> GA > 39. Haley LLEWELLEN - 1880 United States Census / Georgia > Dau Gender: Female Birth: <1856> GA > 40. Charles F. LUELLEN - 1880 United States Census / Iowa > Other Gender: Male Birth: <1851> OH > 41. W.B. LUELLEN - 1880 United States Census / Iowa > Other Gender: Male Birth: <1857> IA > 42. Irirah LEWELLEN - 1880 United States Census / Iowa > Self Gender: Male Birth: <1812> OH > 43. Julia LEWELLEN - 1880 United States Census / Iowa > Wife Gender: Female Birth: <1830> BADEN > 44. Marion LEWELLEN - 1880 United States Census / Iowa > Son Gender: Male Birth: <1866> IA > 45. Chalotta LEWELLEN - 1880 United States Census / Iowa > Dau Gender: Female Birth: <1868> IA > 46. Richard LEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / Illinois > Other Gender: Male Birth: <1854> MO > 47. Reese LEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / Illinois > Self Gender: Male Birth: <1848> WALES > 48. Rachel LEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / Illinois > Wife Gender: Female Birth: <1853> WALES > 49. Mary LEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / Illinois > Dau Gender: Female Birth: <1870> IL > 50. David LEWELLYN - 1880 United States Census / Illinois > Son Gender: Male Birth: <1873> IL > > James > > > On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:50:26 -0400, you posted the following in part: > > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:50:26 -0400 > From: "Katy McMillen" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: The Pleasant Queen Schrum > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nancy, > No. 2---I believe the name is "Louellyn" and that the census man did not > know how to spell it. So it would have been "Pleasant Louellyn Queen", > and, if it is as you say, he eventually dropped the "Pleasant" and was > called by the name which sounded like "Lou Allen". He could have spelled > it "LouAllen".[Is it a Welsh name?] > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 > >

OK family. This is a whole new name. Who is Lucilla Frances Queen md Azor Asalph Dale. I can't figure out who her parents are and what line she descends from. Any information would be great. Thanks Wendy