Congratulations!!! :-D ---------------- Hey Cuzzins, Just wanted to take a moment to announce the arrival of my new son, Jackson Wesley Queen. Jackson arrived at 7:55 a.m. on 5/11/05. He weighs 8 lbs 3 oz and is 18.5 inches long. Mother and son are both in fine shape. We should be getting discharged on Friday evening. Pictures will be available at www.clarkregional.org within 72 hours of discharge. If I get a more precise link, I'll forward it. Carmen and I want to thank each and every one for the prayers and concern we received during the pregancy. God Bless, Charlton ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== Visit my homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 -- Skip Queen Viruses? Spyware? Not me! I use Linux!! Linspire - The world's easiest desktop Linux!

Hey Cuzzins, Just wanted to take a moment to announce the arrival of my new son, Jackson Wesley Queen. Jackson arrived at 7:55 a.m. on 5/11/05. He weighs 8 lbs 3 oz and is 18.5 inches long. Mother and son are both in fine shape. We should be getting discharged on Friday evening. Pictures will be available at www.clarkregional.org within 72 hours of discharge. If I get a more precise link, I'll forward it. Carmen and I want to thank each and every one for the prayers and concern we received during the pregancy. God Bless, Charlton

Congratulations to Charlton and Family. As you probably know, Jackson has a long history in the Queen Family dating back to before the Civil War. My Grandfather was Joseph Jackson Queen. He was named after his Uncle - Joseph Jackson McElrath who died at Camp Chase Prison in the Civil War. The McElrath Clan was spun off the McDowell's who were noted Civil and Revolutionary War figures. Good Luck, Don Queen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlton Queen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:26 AM Subject: [QUEEN] New Arrival > Hey Cuzzins, > > Just wanted to take a moment to announce the arrival of my new son, > Jackson Wesley Queen. > > Jackson arrived at 7:55 a.m. on 5/11/05. He weighs 8 lbs 3 oz and is 18.5 > inches long. > > Mother and son are both in fine shape. We should be getting discharged on > Friday evening. Pictures will be available at www.clarkregional.org > within 72 hours of discharge. If I get a more precise link, I'll forward > it. > > Carmen and I want to thank each and every one for the prayers and concern > we received during the pregancy. > > God Bless, > > Charlton > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Visit my homepage: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 > >

I am forwarding a couple of interesting items from the FTDNA newsletter for your interest. Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen In the News: The Genographic Project ======================================================== The National Geographic Society and IBM, with support from the Waitt Family Foundation, launched on April 13, 2005, a groundbreaking research initiative that will trace the migratory history of the human species. The Genographic Project is a real time effort to map how humankind populated the earth. It is a five-year research partnership between National Geographic and IBM with support from the Waitt Family Foundation, and public participation through Family Tree DNA.The resulting public database will house one of the largest collections of human population genetic information ever assembled and will serve as an unprecedented resource for geneticists, historians and anthropologists. For more information about the Genographic Project and Family Tree DNA's involvement, please check this page: FAQ - Genographic Project/Family Tree DNA. Educational Resources: Upcoming Events ====================================== If you would like to learn more about Genetic Genealogy, we invite you to attend the events listed below. Please see the relevant web sites for registration information. May 13-14, 2005 --------------- Family Tree DNA Exhibit. Stop by and visit us at our booth. Southern California Genealogical Society Jamboree Burbank Hilton and Convention Center Burbank, California http://www.scgsgenealogy.com/2005jam-comm.htm May 13, 2005 ------------ DNA Speaker: Bennett Greenspan Southern California Genealogical Society Jamboree Burbank Hilton and Convention Center Burbank, California 2:00 P.M. http://www.scgsgenealogy.com/2005jam-comm.htm May 14, 2005 ------------ DNA Speaker: Bennett Greenspan Southern California Genealogical Society Jamboree Burbank Hilton and Convention Center Burbank, California 11:30 A.M. http://www.scgsgenealogy.com/2005jam-comm.htm May 14, 2005 ------------ Uncovering Your Roots with DNA Speaker: Max Blankfeld Polish Genealogical Society of Texas 3599 Westcenter Drive, Houston, Texas 10:00 A.M. May 16, 2005 ------------ Jewish History and DNA Speaker: Bennett Greenspan Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles Skirball Cultural Center, 2701 N. Sepulveda Blvd. 7:30 P.M. June 1-4, 2005 -------------- Family Tree DNA Exhibit. 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Whadda ya mean "getting" goofy. I've been goofy all along. I'm also a flip-flopper as I look at more data. 1. The adoption (?) of John R. Queen of ca 1854. a. If Alfred's wife, Mary, had engaged in an affair with a male Queen Avon salesman in 1854 and the birth of John was one result of that affair - then Mary could not have kept John hid from her husband, Alfred. Since John, at age 5 or 6, was not in the Alfred Queen household of 1860; the assumption is that he was either missed in the census or was living in the home of his birth. Since John shows up in the Alfred Queen household at age 15 in 1870; the assumption is that he was Alfred and Mary's son, properly listed on the 1870 census or else he was adopted from another male Queen lineage between 1860 and 1870. b. YDNA results reveal that a descendant of this John R. does not carry the same DNA as that of one of John's supposed sibling. The DNA of that one sibling, James Henry Queen of 1847, has been confirmed via samples from two branches of his tree. One easy explanation is that John's donor sample truly reflects the DNA of John and thus John was an adopted son of Alfred and Mary. Another easy explanation is that Alfred's DNA was the same as that of old William and that two of Alfred's sons had mutations, two different mutations. With this explanation, the assumption is that YDNA did what YDNA does - mutated - and that coincidentally that of John was identical to two other distantly related Queens. Another easy explanation is that John R. Queen's DNA was identical to that of his blood (?) sibling, James Henry Queen, but somewhere down the line of John, a Queen Rawleigh products salesman was involved or else an adoption took place down the lineage from John. 2. There is no "2" right now. I'll get to it later. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rolla Queen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [QUEEN] 464 Mutation Follow-up > Gene, > > Don't go getting goofy on me. I can't agree with your assessment that the > 3 > matches on 464c are coincident. These 3 individuals share a common > ancestor > more recently with each other than they do with the rest of the group. > That > is the most logical explanation and must be ruled out before you start > claiming coincidence. You Group 1 Queens really need to take a close look > at > this, focus in on it, especially since one of the donors also claims > relationship to Hence Queen - and the other Hence donor does not have this > mutation - which means........ > > I don't follow your arguments about the adoption. Have you been drinking > my > birthday punch?!! > > Rolla > > http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ > http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen > > -------Original Message------- > > From: O Eugene Queen > Date: 05/08/05 12:44:20 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [QUEEN] 464 Mutation Follow-up > > Regarding Glenda's observations of allele 464... > > 1. I, too, will await a response from Rolla regarding the technical > aspects. > > 2. I concur with the writer, John Chandler, regarding the example of why > the > names of donors who are close relatives should not be released until or > unless they have reviewed the results of YDNA tests and concur with the > release of their name. > > 3. The 3 Queen DNA samples with mutations on 464c do NOT appear to be > anything other than coincidental mutations - except for the possibility of > my John R. Queen. If there is a "problem" in his lineage, it clearly > appears > to have been an adoption issue. It is hoped that more samples will resolve > this issue. > > Gene > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Visit Reiley Kidd's homepg to view Queen information > compiled and catagorized by first name: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/2864/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 5/9/2005 > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > QUEEN (Q500) at ROOTSWEB > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/q/u/QUEEN/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Gene, Don't go getting goofy on me. I can't agree with your assessment that the 3 matches on 464c are coincident. These 3 individuals share a common ancestor more recently with each other than they do with the rest of the group. That is the most logical explanation and must be ruled out before you start claiming coincidence. You Group 1 Queens really need to take a close look at this, focus in on it, especially since one of the donors also claims relationship to Hence Queen - and the other Hence donor does not have this mutation - which means........ I don't follow your arguments about the adoption. Have you been drinking my birthday punch?!! Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen -------Original Message------- From: O Eugene Queen Date: 05/08/05 12:44:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [QUEEN] 464 Mutation Follow-up Regarding Glenda's observations of allele 464... 1. I, too, will await a response from Rolla regarding the technical aspects. 2. I concur with the writer, John Chandler, regarding the example of why the names of donors who are close relatives should not be released until or unless they have reviewed the results of YDNA tests and concur with the release of their name. 3. The 3 Queen DNA samples with mutations on 464c do NOT appear to be anything other than coincidental mutations - except for the possibility of my John R. Queen. If there is a "problem" in his lineage, it clearly appears to have been an adoption issue. It is hoped that more samples will resolve this issue. Gene ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== Visit Reiley Kidd's homepg to view Queen information compiled and catagorized by first name: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/2864/ QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 5/9/2005

Greetings Queen listers, I'm back and beginning to work through the 200 emails in my inbox. Seems as if someone started a nasty rumor about my birthday being on May 5th. While I really truly appreciate all the birthday wishes, my birthday is not the 5th of May. Last time I looked, it was the 9th of May. So I will bank those early wishes until my real birthday, which is ...uh....today! Happy Birthday to me! Anyway, I will try to address a couple of questions that came up while I was gone. Up until know we have sort of made believe that each of the 37 DNA markers were distinct and that a change in one marker equalled one mutation. For the most part that is true, but there are a couple of places where the reality is more complicated. This is true of markers labeled 464 a, b, c, d and e and 389 I and II. To determine the number of mutations for these markers you have to compare across the board and not one to one. For 464 the sequence is not important, it is matches between the groups. It is hard to explain, but easy to visualize. Let's pretend we have the following gene sequence from different individuals a b c d e 15 15 17 17 15 15 17 17 There are an equal number of 15s and 17 in the two individuals - so there is no genetic difference. But the following individuals have: 15 17 15 17 17 15 15 17 Although it looks like a mismatch in the first two markers, there are still two 17s and two 15s, so there is no difference between the two. There is no change. The following sequence is: 15 15 16 17 17 15 17 15 In the above the two 15s match and one 17 matches, but there is one mismatch between the 16 and 17, so there would be 1 mutation separating these two individuals. With the 389 I and II genes, the comparisons are similarly quirky. Look at the following examples 389 I and 389 II 15 16 15 16 The above would be a perfect genetic match. But I and II are redundant pairs, and as long as the mutation shifts between the numbers are parallel, the change is counted as 1 mutation. 15 16 16 17 would represent a 1 (not 2) step mutation since there is a parallel shift or increase the each loci of 1. Look a the results of the Group 8 Queens for an example of what appears to be two mismatches - but only 1 mutation. but 15 16 16 18 are not equal shifts. This would represent a 2 step mutation. This is all quick and dirty, and there are more comprehensive explanations on the web. But this is a start. My apologies on the mistake reporting the 26707 results. I just missed the mutation. I will post corrected results in in a while. Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen -------Original Message------- From: O Eugene Queen Date: 05/08/05 12:44:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [QUEEN] 464 Mutation Follow-up Regarding Glenda's observations of allele 464... 1. I, too, will await a response from Rolla regarding the technical aspects. 2. I concur with the writer, John Chandler, regarding the example of why the names of donors who are close relatives should not be released until or unless they have reviewed the results of YDNA tests and concur with the release of their name. 3. The 3 Queen DNA samples with mutations on 464c do NOT appear to be anything other than coincidental mutations - except for the possibility of my John R. Queen. If there is a "problem" in his lineage, it clearly appears to have been an adoption issue. It is hoped that more samples will resolve this issue. Gene ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== Visit Reiley Kidd's homepg to view Queen information compiled and catagorized by first name: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/2864/ QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 5/9/2005

Used to communicate with Gayle Cantrell a long time ago. Is she a current member of this list? Any idea how I can contact her? Thank you, Bill Gerow

Would appreciate a copy of descendant chart for Cornelius McQueen, b. July 1839, if possible. Thank you. Bill Gerow [email protected]

Hi guys - confused?? I had emailed Gene off the list with some stuff I had found regarding 464 mutations, but since I did not know if the stuff I was found was accurate I asked Rolla to check into it. Remember the old saying "just cause it is in print doesn't make it true." And now it has just dawned on me - perhaps I should have included Katy too. Anyway if stuff is relative and or valid, I'm sure Rolla will pass it on. Also one question - I have hopes of getting to Jewell County Kansas over Memorial day and exploring an abandoned cemetery. I have been told there are Queens buried there, tp watch out of snakes (uck), and that some of the stones are tipped over. What do I need to watch out for when picking up the stones (besides the snakes), if they are crumbling what can I do. Just trying to think ahead so I take whatever I need. If those of you who have prowled abandoned cemeterys have any input, let me know. Also hope for nice weather if it is muddy we won't be able to get there. I admit to a great deal of curiosity as I'm thinkng all my Jewell County Queens are accounted for. Glenda > > From: O Eugene Queen <[email protected]> > Date: 2005/05/08 Sun PM 03:43:01 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [QUEEN] 464 Mutation Follow-up > > Regarding Glenda's observations of allele 464... > > 1. I, too, will await a response from Rolla regarding the technical aspects. > > 2. I concur with the writer, John Chandler, regarding the example of why the names of donors who are close relatives should not be released until or unless they have reviewed the results of YDNA tests and concur with the release of their name. > > 3. The 3 Queen DNA samples with mutations on 464c do NOT appear to be anything other than coincidental mutations - except for the possibility of my John R. Queen. If there is a "problem" in his lineage, it clearly appears to have been an adoption issue. It is hoped that more samples will resolve this issue. > > Gene > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Visit Reiley Kidd's homepg to view Queen information > compiled and catagorized by first name: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/2864/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Regarding Glenda's observations of allele 464... 1. I, too, will await a response from Rolla regarding the technical aspects. 2. I concur with the writer, John Chandler, regarding the example of why the names of donors who are close relatives should not be released until or unless they have reviewed the results of YDNA tests and concur with the release of their name. 3. The 3 Queen DNA samples with mutations on 464c do NOT appear to be anything other than coincidental mutations - except for the possibility of my John R. Queen. If there is a "problem" in his lineage, it clearly appears to have been an adoption issue. It is hoped that more samples will resolve this issue. Gene

Rita and all, I can relate to the "Argh!!". But, perhaps I owe you a great big hug! The mutations on "fast moving" marker 464c may help a number of us to help each other. We now have 3 samples with perfect matches (15) on allele 464c and all other markers. To my knowledge, there is no documentary evidence linking the ancestry of the three donors back up the tree to Samuel Queen of 1759. Therefore, it's beginning to appear to me that each of the 3 donors have found evidence of a mutation in their lineage that - PURELY COINCIDENTALLY - is the same. If true, then these mutations do not alter the documentation of their direct line ancestors; the mutations merely reflect a genetic branch in the tree. Arguments for the Hence Queen genetic lineage: 1. Hence Queen's YDNA was the same as that of old William. 2. Hinsey Jonas Queen's YDNA was the same as that of his father, Hence. 3. The James Harve Queen lineage continued with the exact DNA of Hence. 4. A mutation hit the YDNA of Riley Ireland Queen or the donor. Riley and the donor are both legal and biological descendants of Hinsey Jonas Queen; however a mutation occurred with Riley or the donor. This mutation distinguishes the genetics of this branch of the Hinsey Jonas Queen tree. YDNA has simply done what YDNA randomly does. In this case the mutation was a relatively recent occurence (1894 or 1924). My arguments for the Samuel Queen of 1759 genetic lineage: 1. I stand by my argument that the YDNA of Samuel Queen was a perfect match to that of his father, old William. 2. Somewhere up the tree between the donor of the Samuel Queen lineage and old Samuel Queen, himself...a mutation also occurred on the fast moving allele 464c. Coincidentally, the marker is 15. The mutation distinguishes the genetics of this branch of the Samuel Queen tree. One of my arguments, with sub-arguments, regarding the Alfred Queen genetic lineage: 1. Alfred Queen's YDNA was the same as that of old William. No mutations. 2. Alfred's son, James Henry Queen of 1847 had a mutation on allele 447. This is documented with two samples. 3. Alfred's son (not adopted in this argument), John R. Queen, carried the exact YDNA of Alfred; a perfect match with old William. However, somewhere down the tree of John R. Queen a mutation occurred on the fast moving allele 464c. Coincidentally, the marker is 15. What was unacceptable to me with results thus far in the Alfred Queen lineage was the idea that two of Alfred's sons (James Henry and John R.) had mutations; but the mutations were not the same. This just didn't make sense statistically. Further, if Alfred had the mutation on allele 447 and passed it on to James Henry Queen, then there was a back mutation in the DNA of John R. Or, if Alfred had the mutation on allele 464c and passed it on to John R., then there was a back mutation in the DNA of James Henry. Again, this didn't make the best of sense. The best of sense and genetics is that Alfred had no mutations; but one son did and a grandson or later descendant of another son had a different mutation. Conclusions: 1. More samples are needed of the Samuel Queen of 1759 lineage to identify the source of the mutation on allele 464c. If that mutation occurred after the birth of Alfred's John R. Queen, then coincidence is proven. 2. A sample is need of the lineage of a third son of Alfred Queen. If there are no mutations in that sample; then the theory of a perfect match of Alfred with old William is proven. Comments, challenges, differing opinions welcomed. Gene

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [QUEEN] DNA Results, Hence Queen Line Resent-Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:23:40 -0600 Resent-From: [email protected] Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 16:19:51 -0500 From: RITAB <[email protected]> Reply-To: RITAB <[email protected]> To: [email protected] NatureBelow is the information for the two DNA kits for the Hence Queen line. I believed these two samples were perfect 37-marker matches with 5 other samples in the Group 1 Queens. When I was compiling this information this morning, I made a startling discovery. Kit 26707 shows a different number for marker 464c. As a result, Kit 26707 is a perfect match with 2 other Group 1 Queens. Argh!!! Rita Donor 1 - Kit 24404, b 1954 GA, resides in GA Parents: Clifford Astor Queen, (b 1920 GA), wife Beatrice Grandparents: James Harve Queen (b 1888 Clay County NC), married 1909 Clay County NC to Minnie Elizabeth Coffey (b 1887 Cherokee County NC) GGrandparents: Hinsey Jonas Queen (b 1859 Rabun County GA), married 1879 Clay County NC to Rachel Louise Martin (b 1860 Hall County GA) GGGrandparents: Hence Queen, (b 1823 NC), wife Nancy York (b 1827 TN) resided 1850 Rabun County GA BRICK WALL Donor 2 – Kit 26707 b 1924 GA, resides in GA Parents: Riley Ireland Queen b 1894 NC, wife Nannie Carlile b 1892 GA Grandparents: Hinsey Jonas Queen (b 1859 GA), married 1879 Clay County NC to Rachel Louise Martin (b 1860 GA) GGrandparents: Hence Queen, (b 1823 NC), wife Nancy York (b 1827 TN) resided 1850 Rabun County GA BRICK WALL ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== RootsWeb Threaded Mailing List archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

NatureBelow is the information for the two DNA kits for the Hence Queen line. I believed these two samples were perfect 37-marker matches with 5 other samples in the Group 1 Queens. When I was compiling this information this morning, I made a startling discovery. Kit 26707 shows a different number for marker 464c. As a result, Kit 26707 is a perfect match with 2 other Group 1 Queens. Argh!!! Rita Donor 1 - Kit 24404, b 1954 GA, resides in GA Parents: Clifford Astor Queen, (b 1920 GA), wife Beatrice Grandparents: James Harve Queen (b 1888 Clay County NC), married 1909 Clay County NC to Minnie Elizabeth Coffey (b 1887 Cherokee County NC) GGrandparents: Hinsey Jonas Queen (b 1859 Rabun County GA), married 1879 Clay County NC to Rachel Louise Martin (b 1860 Hall County GA) GGGrandparents: Hence Queen, (b 1823 NC), wife Nancy York (b 1827 TN) resided 1850 Rabun County GA BRICK WALL Donor 2 – Kit 26707 b 1924 GA, resides in GA Parents: Riley Ireland Queen b 1894 NC, wife Nannie Carlile b 1892 GA Grandparents: Hinsey Jonas Queen (b 1859 GA), married 1879 Clay County NC to Rachel Louise Martin (b 1860 GA) GGrandparents: Hence Queen, (b 1823 NC), wife Nancy York (b 1827 TN) resided 1850 Rabun County GA BRICK WALL

As per a very good suggestion (sorry!) here is the update info: My name is Skip Queen and I was born in St Louis MO Oct 27, 1944 - I am married to Janie Cook (IL) My fathers name is Clyde H. Queen, born in Elvins, MO - his first wife was: Joyce Allen b 5/14/20 Second wife was Ethel K. Ford His father was Henry H. Queen, born 1885 - his wife was Mary Ellen Seabourne b. 1/1/1893 His father was Hezekiah, born 1857 - his wife Marcia Anna Gallagher b. Sep 27, 1858 His father was Cornelius, born 1809 - his wife Nancy Castor b. 1821 His father was John J, born 1776 his wife Elizabeth White b. 1778 His father was Charles Queen Jr born 1752 his wife May (Mary?) Haley b. 1755 His father was Charles Queen Sr - first of our line into the US -- Skip Queen Viruses? Spyware? Not me! I use Linux!! Linspire - The world's easiest desktop Linux!

Get your computer going for the Big Thank You Rolla deserves. Assuming you've seen his well-worked and colorful, nay, beautiful Queen DNA Chart. Also need to remind you that Charlton Queen didn't move his genealogy into the closet for nothing. His expected heir-Jackson--is due for arrival soon. We will probably get 2 AM posts from him while he handles the baby and bottle with the other hand. A prayer for the safe arrival. Katy

KIT NUMBER 25569 DONOR LIVES IN FLORDIA JAMES DAVIS QUEEN BORN 10-08-1940 IN JASPER GEORGIA FATHER JAMES GRAHAM QUEEN BORN 3-16-1917 IN POLK COUNTY TENN MARRIED LILLIAN DAVES 1939 GRAND FATHER DAVIS GRAHAM QUEEN BORN 1880 FANNIN COUNTY GEORGIA MARRIED CLARA I HYDE 1905 GG GRAND FATHER JAMES QUEEN BORN IN 1835 IN UNION COUNTY GEORGIA MARRIED ELIZABETH BEST FANNIN COUNTY GA IN SEPT 1874 GGG GRAND FATHER JAMES QUEEN BORN 1835 IN BURKE COUNTY NORTH CAROLINA MARRIED STACY FOX IN UNION COUNTY GEORGIA AUGUST 1855 GGGG GRANDFATHER JAMES C QUEEN BORN BURKE CO BORN ABT 1805 WIFE SARA QUEEN MARRIED 1825 MOVED FAMILY TO UNION COUNTY GA EARLY 1840S THE ABOVE IS VERFIED AND PROVEN GGGGG GRANDFATHER MOSES QUEEN BORN ABT 1781 WILKES COUNTY NORTH CAROLINA GGGGGG GRAND FATHER WILLIAM LEWIS QUEEN BORN ABT 1749 FAIRFAX VIRGINA GGGGGGG OLD WILLIAM QUEEN BORN AUG 18 1761 PRINCE GEORGE COUNTY MARYLAND GGGGGGGG GRAND FATHER TIMOTHY MC QUEEN BORN ABT 1698 IN BALTIMORE MD GGGGGGGGG GRAND FATHER JOHN MCQUEEN BORN 1653 PETTY INVERNESS SCOTLAND CAME TO AMERCIA 1697 FROM ENGLAND WISH I COULD PROVE ALL OF THIS BUT I HAVE SOME DOCUMENTS BUT NOT ENOUGH TO PROVE IT THIS IS MY LINE UP AS I SEE IT AFTER TWENTY YEARS OF SEARCHING IT GETS TOUGH JAMES DAVIS QUEEN FLORDIA I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT GROUP WITH THE QUEEN FAMILY MEMBERS I NEVER GET TIRED OF GENE QUEEN DETERMATION AND HIS INFO SORRY FOR THE LONG POST

Ditto on that for me also. I have gone thru a similar thing trying to find May Haley ---------------------- Gene, I have not heard of this book. I have not done a great deal of research into May Haley. I did join a Haley Surname list but have not seen anything that would point me to finding information for her. The Queen Family History say Charles Queen, Jr. returned to this country in 1770 and was not married but soon did marry, 1773, Miss May Haley of that country? What ever that means. Since no information on how Charles got here or where he landed does not help. I have looked at ships lists for years but never found him. There is speculation of a marriage record in Virginia but I never really searched hard for one. I did look at Virginia Archives On line but did not turn anything up. If you do have a copy of the book and sometime when you happen to be looking through it come across May or Mary or Elizabeth Haley, I have seen all three names for her at different times, I would appreciate any clue to her you may find. Thanks for this information on the book and anything you may find. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "O Eugene Queen" <[email protected]> To: "carle" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: Haley Families > Question/comments for Carl or anyone interested in the Haley Family... > > Are you familiar with the book "Haley and Related Families" by Edward > Franklyn Haley, copyright 1979 by Eva F. Haley? > > My wife descends from the Haley family. > > Haleys lived in Louisa and Hanover County of the colony of Va in 1737; > Brunswick County in 1741; Goochland, Halifax, etc. Some Haleys moved on > into Kentucky and North Carolina. They were Quakers. > > From the book, "Ursula Haley...was married to a Crews. On the 13th of > April, 1771, she was given a 'paper of denial' for marrying out of unity, > 'by an hireling priest.'" > > I'd be willing to do some lookups if desired. > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [QUEEN] Re: lineage > > >> You are right Sheila, the wives and mothers should have been posted if >> known. > > snip................... > >> Lineage for Kit #23394 > GGGGrandfather-John J. Queen born 1776 Hampshire County, Virginia His wife > was Elizabeth (White) Queen > > GGGGGrandfather-Charles Queen, Jr. born 1752 in Colony of England, > Virginia, His wife was May (Haley) Queen >> >> Carl >> > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== Visit my homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- Skip Queen Viruses? Spyware? Not me! I use Linux!! Linspire - The world's easiest desktop Linux!

Gene, I have not heard of this book. I have not done a great deal of research into May Haley. I did join a Haley Surname list but have not seen anything that would point me to finding information for her. The Queen Family History say Charles Queen, Jr. returned to this country in 1770 and was not married but soon did marry, 1773, Miss May Haley of that country? What ever that means. Since no information on how Charles got here or where he landed does not help. I have looked at ships lists for years but never found him. There is speculation of a marriage record in Virginia but I never really searched hard for one. I did look at Virginia Archives On line but did not turn anything up. If you do have a copy of the book and sometime when you happen to be looking through it come across May or Mary or Elizabeth Haley, I have seen all three names for her at different times, I would appreciate any clue to her you may find. Thanks for this information on the book and anything you may find. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "O Eugene Queen" <[email protected]> To: "carle" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: Haley Families > Question/comments for Carl or anyone interested in the Haley Family... > > Are you familiar with the book "Haley and Related Families" by Edward > Franklyn Haley, copyright 1979 by Eva F. Haley? > > My wife descends from the Haley family. > > Haleys lived in Louisa and Hanover County of the colony of Va in 1737; > Brunswick County in 1741; Goochland, Halifax, etc. Some Haleys moved on > into Kentucky and North Carolina. They were Quakers. > > From the book, "Ursula Haley...was married to a Crews. On the 13th of > April, 1771, she was given a 'paper of denial' for marrying out of unity, > 'by an hireling priest.'" > > I'd be willing to do some lookups if desired. > > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [QUEEN] Re: lineage > > >> You are right Sheila, the wives and mothers should have been posted if >> known. > > snip................... > >> Lineage for Kit #23394 > GGGGrandfather-John J. Queen born 1776 Hampshire County, Virginia His wife > was Elizabeth (White) Queen > > GGGGGrandfather-Charles Queen, Jr. born 1752 in Colony of England, > Virginia, His wife was May (Haley) Queen >> >> Carl >> >

Question/comments for Carl or anyone interested in the Haley Family... Are you familiar with the book "Haley and Related Families" by Edward Franklyn Haley, copyright 1979 by Eva F. Haley? My wife descends from the Haley family. Haleys lived in Louisa and Hanover County of the colony of Va in 1737; Brunswick County in 1741; Goochland, Halifax, etc. Some Haleys moved on into Kentucky and North Carolina. They were Quakers. From the book, "Ursula Haley...was married to a Crews. On the 13th of April, 1771, she was given a 'paper of denial' for marrying out of unity, 'by an hireling priest.'" I'd be willing to do some lookups if desired. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "carle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [QUEEN] Re: lineage > You are right Sheila, the wives and mothers should have been posted if > known. snip................... > Lineage for Kit #23394 GGGGrandfather-John J. Queen born 1776 Hampshire County, Virginia His wife was Elizabeth (White) Queen GGGGGrandfather-Charles Queen, Jr. born 1752 in Colony of England, Virginia, His wife was May (Haley) Queen > > Carl >