I don't think it's "Moutair". Appears that ancestry dot com's indexer didn't know what to use, so just left it off the index. I like "Martin". Sure was glad to see that "Dud" was Dudley. Surprised that anyone would use a nickname "Dud". That's my "real" identity, but I don't tell anyone. You won't either, will you? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Queen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [QUEEN] Queens of Texas(CORRECTION) > GENE WROTE: >> >> Okay, I'm poking around the Texas census records to get my feet on some >> solid Texas soil. Right now looking at 1900 Williamson County and find >> the following: >> >> 318-Queen J.A. (?) b. May 1866 TX, dad born NC >> Nellie, Wife, b. Aug 1866 >> Mattie, dau, b. Feb 1891 >> Moutair(sp?), son, b. Sep 1892 >> Dewey, son, b. Nov 1896 > I think that the Mourtair should be MARTIN... what do you think? > > Carol > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Visit my homepage: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

1900 Williamson Co Queen, B(?), b. sep 1860 Mary Fieldman(?) Dud (Really?) Mollie Bud Who is the head of household and who is the 2d and 3d child? 1900 Queen, Robert L, b. 1869 TX; parents in MO Maggie Phalma, dau, b. 1897 (is it Phalma or Thalma?) Beal, son Any kin to Reuben Queen descendants? Any more info on these? My continuing thanks, Gene

Martin sounds better than Moutair - but it was actually Montes . WWI Registration - Mont C. Queen - born 09/12/1893 Jonah TX; living in Williamson Co, TX at time of registration; has blue eyes and light hair; single -----Original Message----- From: O Eugene Queen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 3:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [QUEEN] Queens of Texas(CORRECTION) I don't think it's "Moutair". Appears that ancestry dot com's indexer didn't know what to use, so just left it off the index. I like "Martin". Sure was glad to see that "Dud" was Dudley. Surprised that anyone would use a nickname "Dud". That's my "real" identity, but I don't tell anyone. You won't either, will you? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Queen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [QUEEN] Queens of Texas(CORRECTION) > GENE WROTE: >> >> Okay, I'm poking around the Texas census records to get my feet on some >> solid Texas soil. Right now looking at 1900 Williamson County and find >> the following: >> >> 318-Queen J.A. (?) b. May 1866 TX, dad born NC >> Nellie, Wife, b. Aug 1866 >> Mattie, dau, b. Feb 1891 >> Moutair(sp?), son, b. Sep 1892 >> Dewey, son, b. Nov 1896 > I think that the Mourtair should be MARTIN... what do you think? > > Carol > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Visit my homepage: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== Search for a Surname, GenConnect Family Association: Queen http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/srchsite.pl?site=88QUEEN QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

GENE WROTE: > > Okay, I'm poking around the Texas census records to get my feet on some > solid Texas soil. Right now looking at 1900 Williamson County and find > the following: > > 318-Queen J.A. (?) b. May 1866 TX, dad born NC > Nellie, Wife, b. Aug 1866 > Mattie, dau, b. Feb 1891 > Moutair(sp?), son, b. Sep 1892 > Dewey, son, b. Nov 1896 I think that the Mourtair should be MARTIN... what do you think? Carol

Thanks Vicky for all the Texas help. Any scoop on the Ewing Queen, age 50 in 1900 with dad born in N. C.? Wife, Sarah, but dau's name unintelligible. Thanks, Gene

See Below - Believe this was son of Elias & Martha (Barber) Queen, grandson of Reuben & Mary (Butler) Queen??? 1900 Federal Census - Williamson Co, TX - Prec. 1, ED 121, Dwelling No. 298 - Bez Queen, born 09/1860 TX (parents born TX), married 20 years; Mary, born 01/1865 KY (parents born KY), has had 6 children with 4 currently living; Fielden, born 01/1884 TX; Dud, born 03/1886 TX; Mallie, born 04/1888 TX; Bud, born 07/1890 TX 1910 Federal Census - Hartley Co, TX - ED 137, Dwelling No. 3 - D.W. Queen, age 49, born TX (parents born AR), married 1 time for 29 years; Mary, age 45, born KY (parents born KY), married 1 time, has had 9 children with 7 currently living; Dud, age 24, born TX; Bud, age 18, born TX; Meda, age 8, born TX; David, age 6, born TX; Ruth, age 4, born TX 1920 Federal Census - Williamson Co, TX - ED 153, Georgetown, Dwelling No. 119 - David W. Queen, age 59, born TX (parents born MO); Mary L., age 54, born KY (parents born KY); Almeda, age 18, born TX; David, age 15, born TX; Ruth, age 13, born TX 1930 Federal Census - Williamson Co, TX - ED 1, Georgetown, Dwelling No. 119 - David W. Queen, age 68, born TX (father born MO, mother born KY), married at age 21; Mary L., age 65, born KY (parents born KY), married at age 16 . Georgetown Odd Fellows Cemetery, Williamson Co, TX - David Walton Queen - born 1860; died 1942; Mary - born 1865; died 1939 . Georgetown Odd Fellows Cemetery, Williamson Co, TX - Dudley W. Queen, b. 1886; d. 1917 . Georgetown Odd Fellows Cemetery, Williamson Co, TX - Fielden Lee Queen - b. 1884; d. 1938 . Georgetown Odd Fellows Cemetery, Williamson Co, TX - David Walton Queen - b. 1904; d. 1953 -----Original Message----- From: O Eugene Queen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [QUEEN] More Texas Queen help needed 1900 Williamson Co Queen, B(?), b. sep 1860 Mary Fieldman(?) Dud (Really?) Mollie Bud Who is the head of household and who is the 2d and 3d child? 1900 Queen, Robert L, b. 1869 TX; parents in MO Maggie Phalma, dau, b. 1897 (is it Phalma or Thalma?) Beal, son Any kin to Reuben Queen descendants? Any more info on these? My continuing thanks, Gene ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from Queen-L: Send an email to [email protected] with the word unsubscribe in the body of the letter. Same for D list. Just substitute the D for the L. QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

1900 Williamson County, Texas 282 Queen, Elias b. 1821 NC, dad b. Ind., mom b. Ind, m. 52 years Queen, Martha J., b. Feb 1832 Ind, dad b. Ind., mom b. Ind., m. 52 years 12 children with 7 living Who is this Elias Queen whose parents were born in Indiand and who has been married to Martha J. Unknown for 52 years? Who are their children? Thanks, Gene

See below - believe he was son of Samuel & Jane Queen, grandson of Reuben & Mary (Butler) Queen??? 1880 Federal Census - Williamson Co, TX - District 159, Dwelling No. 64 - Ewin Queen, age 30, born AR (parents born TN); Sarah C., age 25, born AR (parents place of birth not given); Allie O., age 8, born TX 1900 Federal Census - Williamson Co, TX - ED 128, Dwelling No. 114 - Ewing M. Queen, born 04/1850 AR (father born NC, mother born TN), married 28 years; Sarah C., born 06/1855 TX (father born VA, mother born TN), has had 2 children; Mintie R., born 08/1887 TX; William Lawler (son-in-law), born 04/1871 TX (father born MS, mother born IL), married 8 years; Allie B. (dtr), born 02/1873 TX (father born AR, mother born TX), has had 4 children; Claude A., born 01/1893 TX; Birdie M., born 03/1895 TX; Louis H., born 09/1898 TX; Floyd R., born 03/1900 TX 1910 Federal Census - Williamson Co, TX - District 126, 4th j-pct, Dwelling No. 90 - E.M. Queen, age 60, born AR (parents born TN), married 1 time for 40 years; Sarah, age 55, born TX (father born unknown, mother born TN), married 1 time, has had 2 children with both living 1920 Federal Census - Williamson Co, TX - ED 161, Florence, Dwelling No. 151 - Charles A. Rice, age 34, born TX (parents born AR), widowed; Nellie (dtr), age 11, born TX (parents born TX); Nola (dtr), age 9, born TX (parents born TX); Raymond (son), age 7, born TX (parents born TX); Jewell (dtr), age 5, born TX (parents born TX); Charles (son), age 2 11/12, born TX (parents born TX); Sarah Queen (mother-in-law), age 64, born TN (parents born AR), -----Original Message----- From: O Eugene Queen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [QUEEN] Ewing M. Queen b. 1850 Thanks Vicky for all the Texas help. Any scoop on the Ewing Queen, age 50 in 1900 with dad born in N. C.? Wife, Sarah, but dau's name unintelligible. Thanks, Gene ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== Visit my homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Katy, Linda and Jean...or anyone else, Okay, I'm poking around the Texas census records to get my feet on some solid Texas soil. Right now looking at 1900 Williamson County and find the following: 318-Queen J.A. (?) b. May 1866 TX, dad born NC Nellie, Wife, b. Aug 1866 Mattie, dau, b. Feb 1891 Moutair(sp?), son, b. Sep 1892 Dewey, son, b. Nov 1896 319 Houshawy (sp?) M., b. Nov 1842 KY, Wd, b. Ky sons Samuel and William 320 Queen. E. B. b. Dec 1854 TX, dad b. NC Alice, wife, b. Jan 1860, mother of 9 - all living- all below Leon, son, b. Feb 1881 Ella, dau, b. Mar 1882 Bessie, dau, b. Dec 1883(?) Samuel, b. Apr 1886 Edward. son. b. May 1888 Ethel (sp), dau, b. Sep 1890 Marvin, son, b. Dec 1891 Nolan, son, b. Oct 1893 Montie (sp?), dau, b. Jan 1896 Question: Who is family 318? Please correct my interpretation of the spelling and add any pertinent info. Thanks, Gene

Here is the census info on J.A. Queen - may be son of Elias & Martha J. Queen, grandson of Reuben & Mary (Butler) Queen??? 1900 Federal Census - Williamson Co, TX - Ed 121, Prec. 1, Dwelling No. 295 - J.A. Queen, born 05/1866 TX (father born NC, mother born IN), married 10 years; Nellie, born 08/1866 KY (parents born KY), has had 3 children; Mattie, born 02/1891 TX; Montie, born 09/1892 TX; Dewey, born 11/1896 TX 1910 Federal Census - Williamson Co, TX - ED 116, 1 J-Pct, Dwelling No. 108 - Joseph A. Queen, age 44, born TX (father born ?, mother born IN), married 1 time for 20 years; Nellie, age 43, born KY (parents born KY), married 1 time, has had 5 children; Mattie, age 19, born TX; Montie C., age 17, born TX; Dewey, age 14, born TX; Owney W., age 8, born TX; Glendin, age 1 6/12, born TX 1920 Federal Census - Glasscock Co, TX - ED 111, Prec. 4, Dwelling No. 24 - Joel A. Queen, age 53, born TX (parents born MO); Nellie, age 52, born KY (parents born KY); Oney, age 33, born TX; Glen, age 32, born TX; Dewey, age 21, born TX; Rose (dtr-in-law), age 19, born TX (parents born TX); Mary Hanshaw (mother-in-law), age 75, born KY (father born VA, mother born KY), widowed 1930 Federal Census - Glasscock Co, TX - ED 4, Prec. 4, Dwelling No. 9 - Joe A. Queen, age 64, born TX (father born AR, mother born MO), married at age 23; Nellie, age 62, born KY (parents born KY), married at age 22; Mont C.(son), age 38, born TX, married at age 34; Bessie A. (dtr-in-law), age 25, born TX (parents born TX), married at age 21 -----Original Message----- From: O Eugene Queen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 1:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [QUEEN] Queens of Texas Katy, Linda and Jean...or anyone else, Okay, I'm poking around the Texas census records to get my feet on some solid Texas soil. Right now looking at 1900 Williamson County and find the following: 318-Queen J.A. (?) b. May 1866 TX, dad born NC Nellie, Wife, b. Aug 1866 Mattie, dau, b. Feb 1891 Moutair(sp?), son, b. Sep 1892 Dewey, son, b. Nov 1896 319 Houshawy (sp?) M., b. Nov 1842 KY, Wd, b. Ky sons Samuel and William 320 Queen. E. B. b. Dec 1854 TX, dad b. NC Alice, wife, b. Jan 1860, mother of 9 - all living- all below Leon, son, b. Feb 1881 Ella, dau, b. Mar 1882 Bessie, dau, b. Dec 1883(?) Samuel, b. Apr 1886 Edward. son. b. May 1888 Ethel (sp), dau, b. Sep 1890 Marvin, son, b. Dec 1891 Nolan, son, b. Oct 1893 Montie (sp?), dau, b. Jan 1896 Question: Who is family 318? Please correct my interpretation of the spelling and add any pertinent info. Thanks, Gene ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from Queen-L: Send an email to [email protected] with the word unsubscribe in the body of the letter. Same for D list. Just substitute the D for the L. QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Here is the census history on the below - May be Elias Butler Queen (son of Reuben & Mary (Butler) Queen)???? 1850 Federal Census - Caldwell Co, TX - Dwelling No. 168 - Elias Queen, age 28, born SC; Martha J., age 17, born IN; Samuel, age 7, born AR; James, age 3, born MO; Texana, age 7/12, born TX 1860 Federal Census - Williamson Co, TX, Dwelling No. 406 - Elias Queen, age 39, born NC; Martha, age 28, born VA; Samuel S., age 17, born AR; James L., age 12, born AR; Ana, age 10, born TX; Wm L., age 7, born TX; Elias B., age 4, born TX; Arizona, age 2, born TX 1870 Federal Census - Williamson Co, TX - Dwelling No. 279 - Elias Queen, age 49, born NC; Martha, age 38, born IL; Wm, age 17, born TX; Elias, age 15, born TX; Arizona, age 12, born TX; David, age 9, born TX; Fanny, age 6, born TX; Joel, age 4, born TX; Robert, age 2, born TX 1880 Federal Census - Concho Co, TX - ED 40, Dwelling No. 5 - Elias Queen, age 60, born TN (parents born NC); Mary J., age 43, born TX (parents born TN); David, age 18, born TX; Fannie, age 15, born TX; James, age 13, born TX; Lee, age 11, born TX; Mary, age 6, born TX 1900 Federal Census - Williamson Co, TX - ED 121, Prec. 1, Dwelling No. 265 - M. Morris, born 09/1861 TX (parents born IN); Fannie, born 05/1864 TX (father born NC, mother born IN); Shirley, born 09/1893 TX; Elias Queen, born 02/1821 NC (father born IN, mother born PA), married 52 years; Martha J., born 02/1832 IN (parents born IN), has had 12 children with 7 currently living -----Original Message----- From: O Eugene Queen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 1:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [QUEEN] Elias Queen b. 1821 1900 Williamson County, Texas 282 Queen, Elias b. 1821 NC, dad b. Ind., mom b. Ind, m. 52 years Queen, Martha J., b. Feb 1832 Ind, dad b. Ind., mom b. Ind., m. 52 years 12 children with 7 living Who is this Elias Queen whose parents were born in Indiand and who has been married to Martha J. Unknown for 52 years? Who are their children? Thanks, Gene ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== Visit my homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

Thanks to Jean and Katy, we now have more useful information concerning DNA possibilities with Reuben Queen. The reported most recent common ancestor of the donor of kits 24329 and 29369 is none other than Reuben, himself. (Kit 30850 was a mtdna kit) Wide open suggestion in view of the results of these two samples: For now, treat the lineage thru Samuel to Reuben as stopping at Samuel. Treat the lineage thru Elias to Reuben as stopping at Elias. Thus, we're looking for additional donors of the Samuel Queen lineage and of the Elias Queen lineage. Samuel Queen (firstborn son?) (b. 1819 NC d. 1908) m. Jane Petty ...Sterling Queen (b. 1861 d. 1899TX) m. Laura Ann Lee ......Robert Benton Queen (b. 1899 TX d. 1982 TX) m. Viola Smith .........Son .........DNA sample exists from the Robert B. Queen lineage ......Sudie Queen m. Mr. Townsend ......Charlie Queen .........Son 1 .........Son 2 Q: Did this Samuel Queen have other sons? Q: Did this Sterling Queen have other sons? DNA priorities - Find a donor through another son of Samuel if one exists. 2d choice - Find a donor down the Charlie Queen lineage. Objective is to confirm the DNA of kit 29369 and "push" that result as far up the tree as is possible to find the probable point of mutation. Next challenge: Elias Butler Queen, Sr. 6 sons, including Elias B. Queen, Jr. - Who are these 6 sons and are there male descendants of the remaining 5 of these sons? Elias B. Queen, Jr. 8 sons, including Nolan, Sr - Who are these 8 sons and are there male descendants of the remaining 7 of these sons? DNA priorities - Find a donor through another son of Elias Queen, Sr. if one exists. 2d choice - Find a donor down the lineage of another son of Elias, Jr. Objective for this kit 24329 is same as that with kit 29369. Push that mutation as far up the tree as is possible. How can I help? Gene

Hi Guys - Greetings from Kansas, home of the BAK. The trip to Jewell went well, and as usual you gain information, and then you have questions. It was a fun trip to the past in my mind anyway as we drove and I thought about what this part of Kansas looked like in 1870's when William H. Queen and family came to Jewell County, I've accumulated more knowledge of the county history since I've been up there. The Wallace Cemetary actually has a sign with an index and map. On the index is listed all the Queens I know and then Cyrus Queen with the same 'plot number' as my grandfather John Queen and Jennie Ferbrache. Back we walk, and next to John and Jennie is a Cyrus Carpenter. Back we walk to the sign, in the index is a Cyrus Carpenter with the same number. SO I'm thinking we have a slip of the eye when typing, and Cyrus Queen doesn't exist he's Cyrus Carpenter. (Of course Cyrus Carpenter isn't listed in 1870 in Kansas in the census either.) I have put out some queries and am looking for a contact name for cemetary to see if there are written records. (I'm doubtful there will be any written records, Jewell County was barely settled, but it never hurts to ask.) And actually dawned on me this morning, there is a lot of 'empty' space around William H. Queen's tombstone, duh, unmarked graves?, so there is more than one reason to pursue written records. Question - William H., wife, and daughter all have one tombstone. Wife died 1916. Daughter died 1885. Was stone put up later, or did they have the ability to engrave stone onsite earlier. Dates I have in database don't match exactly to tombstone. Oh the challenge of confirming data. With our wanderings in the country, we actually end up at Mankato, with the Bethel Cemetary or McGeehee Cemetary not found in the country, and I look at my husband who is trying hard to be patient. I say I'll tell you what let's go on up to Mankato and see if we can find the cemetary there. A quick stop at a gas station, with a gal who looks about 16 working there, I think oh no this won't work, but an older man walks in, who knows where the cemetary is. No sign or index at this cemetary, so I walk and walk, and finally surrender to the fact that I need more information or more patience to find the Queens I'm looking for, more letters to write :*) Two women stop in their car and ask who are you looking for, and believe it or not, they knew them, but they couldn't tell me where grave site was, or the other Queen that is supposed to be buried there. Thanks to those of you who read to end, and I know some of you are thinking you need to be writing these stories down for your children, and guess what by posting this message I've got a start. Keep searching guys. Glenda

Am I reading the below lineage correctly? If not, I'd appreciate corrections. If yes, then an important question is who is the most recent common ancestor of Kit 24329 and Kit 29369? This question would be of the highest priority for me at the moment. For me, the next highest priorities, in no specific order, would be: 1) Follow-through with a sample from a descendant of Samuel (b. 1819) and 2) Identify the most recent common ancestor of the two kits noted above - then develop a plan to confirm that kit #24329 is the dominant DNA. Funding the samples is not a cause of concern. Funds can be found. What's important at this point is the follow-through on kit 30850 and identifying a "proper" donor for confirming kit 24329. How can I help? Gene Reuben Queen (b. ca 1786) ...Samuel Queen (b. ca 1819) m. Unknown Petty ......Sterling Queen (b. unknown) m. Unknown .........Confidential Queen (b. unknown) Kit # 30850 (No results posted?????) ...Elias Butler Queen (b. unknown) m. Unknown Petty, m (3d) M. J. Barber (b. ca 1821) ......Dau ......Dau ......Dau ......Dau ......Dau ......Son ......Son ......Son ......Son ......Son ......Elias B Queen, Jr. (b. ca 1856 d. 1925) .........Nolan Queen (b. unknown d. 1946) ............Nolan Queen (b. unknown) Kit 24329 (Sample nearest old William's DNA) ........Dau ........Dau ........Dau ........Dau ........Son ........Son ........Son ........Son ........Son ........Son ........Son Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy McMillen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: [QUEEN] Reuben, Reuben > Gene, Rolla, etal--the reason we say REUBEN is because that is ALL we can > authenticate. Reuben Queen born 1786 [figured from census] born NC, don't > know his parents. [Reuben's sons Samuel b.1819 NC and Elias Butler Queen > b. 1821 NC came to TN, ARK, and TX-(1848) with Reuben (who died in TX). > > Reuben b. ca.1786 NC--ca. 1863 Mills Co.? TX. > [had only 2 sons, to our knowledge]: > Samuel b. ca.1819NC and Elias Butler Queen > md. Petty sister md.2nd? Petty sister > (only one marriage) 3rd md. M.J. Barber > _________Samuel's family: (b. ca. 1821) > [not clear on which son], > but Sterling Queen is father of #30850 [Ask Jean Moyers]. > ________Elias" B's family: 5 dau. 6 sons------------- > Son : Elias B. Queen Jr. 1856-1925 > 4dau. 8 sons; Son Nolan Queen died 1946; then, his son, our Nolan Queen, > #24329 of Weatherford, TX. > [whose son passed away in 2003?]. > > Now what do you suggest? Katy > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Visit my homepage: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Katy: Sounds great! Thanks for ideas on how to address this situation. As a matter of fact, just the thought has me up at dawn to begin pulling the info together! I have found marriage records for all Hence and Nancy's children to include the daughters. But finding descendants has not been easy (is it ever easy?). Just this year descendants of the oldest son, Jeremiah, were found by a post on QUEEN-L. They believed their Queen line was through Isaac and Ruth Hunt Queen, but Vicky Hutchings graciously provided enough census data to sway the "jury." However, we have yet to find a willing DNA donor from this line. I will reattack and reevaluate the information I have. I will also check with my elderly source for Queen information to see if she can find yet another cousin. At 87 and legally blind (macular degeneration), she has a tremendous memory and loves to talk--what a great combination. She remembers an Anderson relative, but did not know the relationship until I told her. At Gene's suggestion, I looked for and found another donor for Kit 26707's branch. I talked to his nephew on Monday and was surprised he was such a willing participant. I ordered the kit. Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy McMillen" <[email protected]> To: "RITAB" <[email protected]> Cc: "Rolla Queen" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: Fw:Fire simmering...... > Hey Rita, There appears to be a fire going here--I'm trying to think > creatively--perhaps we could find some answers to at least one of your > questions--BY ADVERTISING. > Now, wait a minute: my best guess is "Nancy Queen's two daughters" in > the 1860 census. > 1.The girls may have kept a better record of "what-happened -to-Hence?" > then their brothers did. > 2. Find who each girl married--between 1870 and 1880?--if possible. > 3. Write up your story, giving the girl's married names > [also tell what happend to Mrs. Nancy Queen-was she near her relatives?]. > Make it short. > 4. Ask questions--a. "what-happened-to-Hence?"; > Where are the girls? What happened to Nancy? Was Hence a miner? etc. Then > the biggy: "Is there a Family Bible with dates?" WRITE A SHORT STATEMENT > INTO A QUERY that we can broadcast. > 5. Then I suggest posting a query with: > a) Genealogy Society of Old Tryon County, 102 W. Main, Forest City, NC > 28043; Or call, 828-247-8700; and ask where it would be best for you to > advertise. > b) Send query to any local historical society, whether or not they publish; > or advertise in an important local newspaper. > c. Then I suggest Queen-L DNA-ers get together and advertise in local > newspapers, Remembering to collect any and all Queens replying so that we > can try to get them into DNA. [That's sort of my job--I just need leads-KSM] > I'll put up the first $30 to advertise to find: > 1) DNA prospects, or > 2) Any connection to Hence of 1823 GA. > Katy > How does that sound? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RITAB" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:24 PM > Subject: Fw: [QUEEN] Starting fires! > > > > My comments on Rolla's Truth or Dare... Rita > > > > > > > >> I want to focus on 4 of the test results and their reported most distant > >> known ancestor - > >> > >> 26983, Samuel, 1759 > >> 24404, Hence 1, 1823 > >> 26707, Hence 2, 1823 > >> 31628, John R., 1854 > >> > >> Facts: > >> > >> 1) Kit 24404 is a perfect match with the proposed ancestral DNA sequence > >> > >> 2) The remaining 3 kits all share the 1 mutation mismatch at marker 464c. > >> > >> Ergo: > >> > >> Truth or Dare > >> > >> 1) 24404 and 26707 (Hence 1 and 2) claim they trace back to the same > > common > >> ancestor (Hence), but only one shares the mutation. Consequently the > >> mutation occurred after they last shared a common ancestor. The last > > common > >> ancestor was Hence. Therefore, Hence did not have the mutation. The > >> mutation occurred after the split. > > > > Comment: Their (24404 and 26707) last common ancestor was Hence's son, > > Hinsey Jonas Queen. Respectively, 24404's grandfather and 26707's father > > were brothers. So which kit has the mutation? 24404 or 26707? If Hence > > and son Jonas were available for DNA testing, isn't it possible that their > > samples could mirror 26707 instead of 24404? I am looking for a > > descendant > > of 26707's brother. Is it worthwhile to pursue descendants of Hence's > > other > > 2 sons. Would that confirm/deny/confuse the true DNA pattern? If I am > > way > > out in left field, please tell me. > >> > >> 2) As a result, kits 26707, 31628, and 26983 all share a common ancestor > >> after Hence. All three donors must trace their lines of descent back to a > >> common ancestor before Hence, and then back through Hence. > > > > Comment: Open to suggestions on how to surge over this brick wall. I've > > looked for a paper trail for Hence Queen for some time, and have not found > > any link to other Queen families. Some of you may remember the story--he > > appears in the 1850 Rabun County census with wife, Nancy, and 2 children. > > By 1860 Hence has disappeared and Nancy is widowed with 5 children (3 > > sons, > > 2 daughters) in 1860 Cherokee County NC. I have checked courthouses, > > archives, and libraries in NC, GA, and TN looking for a marriage record > > for > > Hence and Nancy, or any record of his existence. To date, his only > > documented occurence is the 1850 Rabun County GA census. > >> > >> 3) Kit 26983 indicates that he can trace his lineage back to Samuel, > >> 1759. > >> Consequently, he should be able to document his most recent common > > ancestor > >> with the 26707 and 31628, and should be able to follow his ancestry > > through > >> the next most common ancestor (Hence) with 24404. > > > > Comment: In an effort to figure out where the paths crossed, I contacted > > several of the 37-marker matches in the hopes of compiling a spreadsheet > > detailing geographic locations for each our ancestors for the census years > > as a means to find a common place/time for our lineage. Only one > > responded. > > Since I am stuck at 1850, I can't begin to pinpoint his location in 1840 > > when Hence would have been about 17. > > > >> 4) If the DNA is interpreted correctly, and the documents are interpreted > >> correctly, then all 4 donors should trace back through Hence to Samuel, > > born > >> in 1759. > >> > >> 5) The time frame between Samuel (1759) and Old William provide that Old > >> William could be the father or grandfather of Samuel, or that Samuel > >> might > >> share a common ancestor with Old William. > >> > >> 6) Now, the descendant of John R, born 1854, has the mutation. Hence was > >> born in 1823, John R. in 1854. 30 years difference is not enough distance > > to > >> provide John R to be a grandson of Hence, and the mutation had to occur > >> after Hence. Therefore, logic dictates that John R. had to be a son of > > Hence > > > > Comment: Hence disappeared from my family line somewhere between > > 1858-1860. > > He could have moved on and established another family somewhere. > >> > >> > >> 7) In order for 26983 and 26707 to share the mutation after Hence, then > > they > >> must also share a common ancestor in John R. The mutation has to occur > > with > >> John R. or one of his desendants, and all three donors must trace back > >> through those descendants. Does not leave many generations to work with. > >> > >> 8) So if all is to be believed. All these kits descend from Samuel, > > through > >> an unnamed second generation, third generation Hence - one child of Hence > >> leads to 24404, John R is another child of Hence and he becomes the > >> partiarch for kits 26983, 26707, 31268. > >> > >> After this, we play spin the bottle! > >> > >> > >> Rolla > >> > >> http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm > >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ > >> http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 > >> > >> > >> ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > >> Visit my homepage: > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > >> QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > >> http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > >> http://www.ysearch.org/ > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search the US Census Collection. 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Hi Folks Who is J. Hampton Queen? Before 1800. Who is Joseph H. Queen? Before !800? From the Home of Jimmy and JoAnne Redmond Sr

Hi Folks I been dragging a stick in the mud, setting under my shed here trying to stay dry. My mind has pondered a lot. You know, proof is sometimes hard to come by. I don't have much proof, so when proof is not available I was taught (by a very steer old Colonel) you must use logic. So I don't have proof, but what if? Father 1. 1775 0 75 Kit #24403 2. Are they brothers and sons of #1 1796 21 52 Kit #23661 1806 31 48 Kit #28391 3. Are they brothers or sons of which one, 1796 or 1806. 1823 48 31 Kit #24404 1827 52 21 Kit #29459 4. Son of 1823 or 1827. 1850 75 0 Kit #25626 Joseph's (kit #29459) first child was born 27 Nov. 1856, and was a girl. The question is what son belongs to who. Anyone have the answers? From the Home of Jimmy and JoAnne Redmond Sr

My son is rolling along in Kansas on the "2005 Biking Across Kansas" trek--some 539 miles starting 6/4/05. go to: www.bak.org and clic on the route. Then click on "Elkhart"or is it "Elkhorn"? Anyway click on the town and it tells you this: "Santa Fe Trail Ralroad headed southwest from Dodge City and the towns of Rolla, Wilburton, and Elkhart sprang up along the southern border because of the tracks." Katy

Gene, Rolla, etal--the reason we say REUBEN is because that is ALL we can authenticate. Reuben Queen born 1786 [figured from census] born NC, don't know his parents. [Reuben's sons Samuel b.1819 NC and Elias Butler Queen b. 1821 NC came to TN, ARK, and TX-(1848) with Reuben (who died in TX). Reuben b. ca.1786 NC--ca. 1863 Mills Co.? TX. [had only 2 sons, to our knowledge]: Samuel b. ca.1819NC and Elias Butler Queen md. Petty sister md.2nd? Petty sister (only one marriage) 3rd md. M.J. Barber _________Samuel's family: (b. ca. 1821) [not clear on which son], but Sterling Queen is father of #30850 [Ask Jean Moyers]. ________Elias" B's family: 5 dau. 6 sons------------- Son : Elias B. Queen Jr. 1856-1925 4dau. 8 sons; Son Nolan Queen died 1946; then, his son, our Nolan Queen, #24329 of Weatherford, TX. [whose son passed away in 2003?]. Now what do you suggest? Katy

Hey Rita, There appears to be a fire going here--I'm trying to think creatively--perhaps we could find some answers to at least one of your questions--BY ADVERTISING. Now, wait a minute: my best guess is "Nancy Queen's two daughters" in the 1860 census. 1.The girls may have kept a better record of "what-happened -to-Hence?" then their brothers did. 2. Find who each girl married--between 1870 and 1880?--if possible. 3. Write up your story, giving the girl's married names [also tell what happend to Mrs. Nancy Queen-was she near her relatives?]. Make it short. 4. Ask questions--a. "what-happened-to-Hence?"; Where are the girls? What happened to Nancy? Was Hence a miner? etc. Then the biggy: "Is there a Family Bible with dates?" WRITE A SHORT STATEMENT INTO A QUERY that we can broadcast. 5. Then I suggest posting a query with: a) Genealogy Society of Old Tryon County, 102 W. Main, Forest City, NC 28043; Or call, 828-247-8700; and ask where it would be best for you to advertise. b) Send query to any local historical society, whether or not they publish; or advertise in an important local newspaper. c. Then I suggest Queen-L DNA-ers get together and advertise in local newspapers, Remembering to collect any and all Queens replying so that we can try to get them into DNA. [That's sort of my job--I just need leads-KSM] I'll put up the first $30 to advertise to find: 1) DNA prospects, or 2) Any connection to Hence of 1823 GA. Katy How does that sound? ----- Original Message ----- From: "RITAB" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:24 PM Subject: Fw: [QUEEN] Starting fires! > My comments on Rolla's Truth or Dare... Rita > > > >> I want to focus on 4 of the test results and their reported most distant >> known ancestor - >> >> 26983, Samuel, 1759 >> 24404, Hence 1, 1823 >> 26707, Hence 2, 1823 >> 31628, John R., 1854 >> >> Facts: >> >> 1) Kit 24404 is a perfect match with the proposed ancestral DNA sequence >> >> 2) The remaining 3 kits all share the 1 mutation mismatch at marker 464c. >> >> Ergo: >> >> Truth or Dare >> >> 1) 24404 and 26707 (Hence 1 and 2) claim they trace back to the same > common >> ancestor (Hence), but only one shares the mutation. Consequently the >> mutation occurred after they last shared a common ancestor. The last > common >> ancestor was Hence. Therefore, Hence did not have the mutation. The >> mutation occurred after the split. > > Comment: Their (24404 and 26707) last common ancestor was Hence's son, > Hinsey Jonas Queen. Respectively, 24404's grandfather and 26707's father > were brothers. So which kit has the mutation? 24404 or 26707? If Hence > and son Jonas were available for DNA testing, isn't it possible that their > samples could mirror 26707 instead of 24404? I am looking for a > descendant > of 26707's brother. Is it worthwhile to pursue descendants of Hence's > other > 2 sons. Would that confirm/deny/confuse the true DNA pattern? If I am > way > out in left field, please tell me. >> >> 2) As a result, kits 26707, 31628, and 26983 all share a common ancestor >> after Hence. All three donors must trace their lines of descent back to a >> common ancestor before Hence, and then back through Hence. > > Comment: Open to suggestions on how to surge over this brick wall. I've > looked for a paper trail for Hence Queen for some time, and have not found > any link to other Queen families. Some of you may remember the story--he > appears in the 1850 Rabun County census with wife, Nancy, and 2 children. > By 1860 Hence has disappeared and Nancy is widowed with 5 children (3 > sons, > 2 daughters) in 1860 Cherokee County NC. I have checked courthouses, > archives, and libraries in NC, GA, and TN looking for a marriage record > for > Hence and Nancy, or any record of his existence. To date, his only > documented occurence is the 1850 Rabun County GA census. >> >> 3) Kit 26983 indicates that he can trace his lineage back to Samuel, >> 1759. >> Consequently, he should be able to document his most recent common > ancestor >> with the 26707 and 31628, and should be able to follow his ancestry > through >> the next most common ancestor (Hence) with 24404. > > Comment: In an effort to figure out where the paths crossed, I contacted > several of the 37-marker matches in the hopes of compiling a spreadsheet > detailing geographic locations for each our ancestors for the census years > as a means to find a common place/time for our lineage. Only one > responded. > Since I am stuck at 1850, I can't begin to pinpoint his location in 1840 > when Hence would have been about 17. > >> 4) If the DNA is interpreted correctly, and the documents are interpreted >> correctly, then all 4 donors should trace back through Hence to Samuel, > born >> in 1759. >> >> 5) The time frame between Samuel (1759) and Old William provide that Old >> William could be the father or grandfather of Samuel, or that Samuel >> might >> share a common ancestor with Old William. >> >> 6) Now, the descendant of John R, born 1854, has the mutation. Hence was >> born in 1823, John R. in 1854. 30 years difference is not enough distance > to >> provide John R to be a grandson of Hence, and the mutation had to occur >> after Hence. Therefore, logic dictates that John R. had to be a son of > Hence > > Comment: Hence disappeared from my family line somewhere between > 1858-1860. > He could have moved on and established another family somewhere. >> >> >> 7) In order for 26983 and 26707 to share the mutation after Hence, then > they >> must also share a common ancestor in John R. The mutation has to occur > with >> John R. or one of his desendants, and all three donors must trace back >> through those descendants. Does not leave many generations to work with. >> >> 8) So if all is to be believed. All these kits descend from Samuel, > through >> an unnamed second generation, third generation Hence - one child of Hence >> leads to 24404, John R is another child of Hence and he becomes the >> partiarch for kits 26983, 26707, 31268. >> >> After this, we play spin the bottle! >> >> >> Rolla >> >> http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ >> http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 >> >> >> ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== >> Visit my homepage: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ >> QUEEN YDNA PROJECT >> http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True >> http://www.ysearch.org/ >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > GenConnect at Rootsweb > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Queen > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005 > >