There are records of the remarriage of Timothy's wife Jane to Ralph Fisher in 1726 and a child by that marriage, Mary Anne Fisher. I guess that means that IF we are descendants of Timothy MacQueen and Jane (Henson?) we are also part of the Fischer lineage, sharing the same maternal source. Don Queen ----- Original Message ----- From: "James B.. Hardin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:21 AM Subject: [QUEEN] Gene's Message - Message: #7 QUEEN-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 222 > Gene stated: > > "Lest we forget, it could be that old William, himself, was a child born > out of wedlock to a female Queen.. But, we likely don't want to think > about that possibility.. " > > Gene is absolutely right on both counts! Some "possibilities" are much > harder to contemplate than others. > > Having said that, before we "go there" it is necessary to have at least > circumstantial evidence that "Old William" is not the William MacQueen > born 18 August 1716, son of Timithy MacQueen baptized in King George's > parish, Prince George's County, Maryland Colony. > > Does anyone have a transcription of the baptismal record? I have not seen > a reference to the "mother" connected with this record. > > If we get to the "go there's" (eg. somebody finds the grave of "William > MacQueen born 18 August 1716, son of Timithy MacQueen, died young) then it > would also be necessary to consider, it could be that old William, > himself, was a child born out of wedlock to a female that was not a > Queen - but his father was a Queen. I would tend to think this more > likely . > > Both of these types of "out of wedlock births" happened in various > branches and generations of our Queen family after ."Old William" Queen's > time, people were not any different in nature during & before "Old > William" Queen's time. > > Rolla - > > !. Do we have DNA info on the "John Queen married Mary Unknown" line Some > believe he is the John MacQueen, born 9 October 1719, son of Timithy & > Jane MacQueen; others have him born in County Donegal, Ireland - will was > proved Sep. 9,1805 in Loudoun Co., VA? > > 2. Am I correct in believing that the DNA project has proved "Old William" > is not a descendent of Samuel Queen & Katherine Marsham? > > James B. Hardin > > > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Visit my homepage to view old Queen documents: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:21 PM Subject: [QUEEN] Queen mama for old william? > No Gene ,Please don't go there! With old William Queen and his mama.! > Betty > I agree, Betty. But, it sure would be great to have a break-thru to the "old country" wherever that may be. It seems to me that the two greatest opportunities are: 1. Obtain DNA samples from lineages of early Queens and Mac/McQueens in America who reported their place of birth as Scotland or Ireland. 2. Obtain DNA samples from Queens and Mac/McQueens currently living in Scotland or Ireland. Anyone visiting Scotland or Ireland may wish to make it a point to visit with a Queen or Mac/McQueen family to extend greetings and best wishes from Queens in America and invite them to join our project. We can fund the cost of the sample at no cost to them. What a fascinating trip it would be to travel Scotland in search of living Queens, visit with and photograph families, and bring back a bit of history of Queens in Scotland or Ireland. Wow! Perhaps if I live to retire, I'll make this my first major venture out into the wide wide world of Queens. Such a visit would provide chapter after chapter of material for "The Queen Family History". Oh well, an old man can dream. Gene

No Gene ,Please don't go there! With old William Queen and his mama.! Betty

We're still waiting for a breakthrough on a perfect match 37 marker test with a non-Queen to old William. Lest we forget, it could be that old William, himself, was a child born out of wedlock to a female Queen. But, we likely don't want to think about that possibility. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rolla Queen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: [QUEEN] Reporting DNA results > Greetings listmates, snip I can include them in the Queen DNA webpage, much as I did > for the Chauncey Poor descendant. Such extra-marital events, such as > adoption or child born out of wedlock, do occur, and even though it may be > problematic in the short term, these relationships may hold clues to > unlocking the keys to some stubborn family history doors. snip

Wendy, I'm replying to your post because of the three surnames that you mention. I have a John QUEEN born in North Carolina about 1803-1810. He moved to McNairy County, Tennessee and then on to Tishomingo County, Mississippi. He had a son, John, b. about 1838 in Mississippi. He had a daughter that married a STANTON. And there was a close relationship between this family of QUEEN's and the KIZER/KISER family. In fact, another of this John QUEEN's daughters has a Benjamin KIZER living in her household on the 1850 census. On the 1830 US census for McNairy County, Tennessee, my John QUEEN is living in close proximity to a number of KIZER households. And then on the 1840 US census and on the 1845 Mississippi state census it is the same. It looks as though these families migrated together from North Carolina. I realize that your John and my two John QUEEN's are not the same person but the same three surnames surrounding your John and mine is striking. Can you tell me a little bit more about your John QUEEN and his parents? Thanks, Luann -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [QUEEN] Family of John Albert Queen? Okay family here is the question. John Albert Queen is apparently married three times. First to Martha Jammerson. Second to Mattie Kizer and 3rd to Rose Stanton. However, on the 1900 Federal Census for North Carolina it states he has a son Marvin (Martin?) KIZER living with him and Sarah KIZER and then two children Leroy P(?) Queen and and a daughter whose name I couldn't make out. Then in the 1910 census for High Shoals Township the Kizer children are gone. How come he has Kizer children living with him before marrying their mother. Can someone fill in the gaps for me? Explain the situation. Also, How come I can't find a census record for John A Queen before 1900 in North Carolina? Do we know who his children married? I have Walter P. born April 18 1901 and died April 1975 in Rutherford, NC. I have Clarence M Queen born June 18 1902 and died Feb 1971 in NC. And I have Dwight L. Queen born Aug 10 1909 in NC and died in Nov 1984. Do we have any birth or death dates for the others. I have found some birth dates for Queens with the names of John and Herbert but they were born closer to Dwights birthdates which could be correct but then perhaps John Albert was married to Mattie Kizer first and that is why he has Kizer children from her previous marriage living with him in 1900, and he married Martha second and some of their children that are listed first were really born after Clarence and Dwight. I found a Leroy P Queen on the 1900 Census born in Sept 1895 ( think that is correct as it was EXTREMELY hard to read.) Could this be the Roy Queen that some of you have listed in your family trees? What does the P stand for or is the P for Pate and we have two children listed when it is really only one? Can't wait for some feedback. Thanks family Wendy P. ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== Visit my homepage to view old Queen documents: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

These are the census entries I can find: 1870 census, Higgins twp, McDowell Co., NC p. 9 # 59/59 age 18 single at home. 1900 census, Boiling Springs twp, Cleveland Co., NC (SD 8, ED 49, sheet 12B) # 214/215 Queen John head W M Mar 1850 50 m. 6 yrs. b. NC " Martha wife W F Mar 1863 37 m. 6 yrs. 6 children, 4 living b. NC Kiser Marvin son W M Jun 1890 9 single b. NC " Sarah dau W F Aug 1892 7 single b. NC Queen LeRoy P. son W M Sep 1895 4 single b. NC " Ellen dau W F Seo 1897 2 subgke b, BC 1910 census, High Shoal twp, Rutherford Co., NC (SD 10, Ed 136, sheet 4A) # 54/54 Queen John A. head M W 60? m. 14 yrs. b. NC " Mary M. wife F W 38 m. 14 yrs. 9 children, 7? living b. NC " Leroy? P. son M W 13 b. NC " Winnie? S. dau F W 12 b. NC " Walter P. son M W 8 b. NC " Clarence M. son M W 6 b. NC " Dwight L. son M W 8/12 b. NC 1920 census, Broad River twp, McDowell Co., NC (SD 10, ED 118, sheet 6A) # 108/109 Queen John A. head M W 69 married b. NC " Rosey E. wife F W 50 married b. NC " Dwight T. son M W 10 single b. NC Don Erickson, Colorado Springs CO USA [email protected]

AOL EmailHi, Wendy. The only way that the 1900 census is going to make sense is if Martha, age 37, was married to KISER first, had Marvin and Sarah, then married John Queen about 1894, and had LeRoy and Ellen. This is also consistent with her having 4 living children by 1900. In 1910, the wife is called Mary, and age 38. But it says they have been married 14 years; also, I can just barely read that she has 7 living children by 1910. That is consistent with the 5 Queen children listed, plus her 2 KISER children. I found Marvin Kiser age 21 single living elsewhere in 1910. So, my conclusion is that Martha in 1900 is the same as Mary in 1910, and the age is wrong in 1910. In 1920, the wife is Rosey E., age 50, so that is definitely a new wife. Maybe those other children that I (and others) have listed for John might be accounted for if we could find him on the 1880 census, but I have not found his 1880 census. He would have been 28 years old then. Don Erickson, Colorado Springs CO USA [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Family of John Albert Queen? Okay family here is the question. John Albert Queen is apparently married three times. First to Martha Jammerson. Second to Mattie Kizer and 3rd to Rose Stanton. However, on the 1900 Federal Census for North Carolina it states he has a son Marvin (Martin?) KIZER living with him and Sarah KIZER and then two children Leroy P(?) Queen and and a daughter whose name I couldn't make out. Then in the 1910 census for High Shoals Township the Kizer children are gone. How come he has Kizer children living with him before marrying their mother. Can someone fill in the gaps for me? Explain the situation. Also, How come I can't find a census record for John A Queen before 1900 in North Carolina? Do we know who his children married? I have Walter P. born April 18 1901 and died April 1975 in Rutherford, NC. I have Clarence M Queen born June 18 1902 and died Feb 1971 in NC. And I have Dwight L. Queen born Aug 10 1909 in NC and died in Nov 1984. Do we have any birth or death dates for the others. I have found some birth dates for Queens with the names of John and Herbert but they were born closer to Dwights birthdates which could ! be correct but then perhaps John Albert was married to Mattie Kizer first and that is why he has Kizer children from her previous marriage living with him in 1900, and he married Martha second and some of their children that are listed first were really born after Clarence and Dwight. I found a Leroy P Queen on the 1900 Census born in Sept 1895 ( think that is correct as it was EXTREMELY hard to read.) Could this be the Roy Queen that some of you have listed in your family trees? What does the P stand for or is the P for Pate and we have two children listed when it is really only one? Can't wait for some feedback. Thanks family Wendy P.

Okay family here is the question. John Albert Queen is apparently married three times. First to Martha Jammerson. Second to Mattie Kizer and 3rd to Rose Stanton. However, on the 1900 Federal Census for North Carolina it states he has a son Marvin (Martin?) KIZER living with him and Sarah KIZER and then two children Leroy P(?) Queen and and a daughter whose name I couldn't make out. Then in the 1910 census for High Shoals Township the Kizer children are gone. How come he has Kizer children living with him before marrying their mother. Can someone fill in the gaps for me? Explain the situation. Also, How come I can't find a census record for John A Queen before 1900 in North Carolina? Do we know who his children married? I have Walter P. born April 18 1901 and died April 1975 in Rutherford, NC. I have Clarence M Queen born June 18 1902 and died Feb 1971 in NC. And I have Dwight L. Queen born Aug 10 1909 in NC and died in Nov 1984. Do we have any birth or death dates for the others. I have found some birth dates for Queens with the names of John and Herbert but they were born closer to Dwights birthdates which could be correct but then perhaps John Albert was married to Mattie Kizer first and that is why he has Kizer children from her previous marriage living with him in 1900, and he married Martha second and some of their children that are listed first were really born after Clarence and Dwight. I found a Leroy P Queen on the 1900 Census born in Sept 1895 ( think that is correct as it was EXTREMELY hard to read.) Could this be the Roy Queen that some of you have listed in your family trees? What does the P stand for or is the P for Pate and we have two children listed when it is really only one? Can't wait for some feedback. Thanks family Wendy P.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Queen Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3YBBAEB/513.1.3 Message Board Post: I am a Queen from Kansas USA. Fortunate that much work has been done by relatives from W Virginia, USA (originally Virginia). We have verification going back from USA of Charles Queen (previously Charles McQueen of Ireland). Then there we loose track, but believe that this person came from Scotland and was originally a MacQueen. Our ancestor dropped the Mc so that he could claim some free land in America. I had not imagined that there might be Queens still in Scotland.

Greetings listmates, As one of the DNA group administrators, I get email copies of notifications to Queen DNA participants whenever there is a match between them and someone not in the Queen DNA study, but perhaps in another surname study. When those matches are at the 12 marker level, I usually ignore them because 12 marker matches between non-matching surname participants is common. But matches at the 25 or 37 marker level are much more significant. Although I am informed of the match, I am not informed who the non-Queen participant match is. That information is only shared with the Queen DNA participant. Whenever a match of 23, 24, or 25 markers at the 25 marker level, or 33 and above match at the 37 marker level occurs, we should really encourage that individual to join our group, or at least share the results manually, even though the last name is different. In those cases, it is almost 99% likely that two participants with different surnames but matching DNA share a common ancestor. I can include them in the Queen DNA webpage, much as I did for the Chauncey Poor descendant. Such extra-marital events, such as adoption or child born out of wedlock, do occur, and even though it may be problematic in the short term, these relationships may hold clues to unlocking the keys to some stubborn family history doors. So for those of you getting such a match confirmation, consider sharing with the group, or at least contact one of the DNA group administrators to discuss its importance. thanks Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005

The Queens listed on the Castle Garden Page show how things have changed. Ann Queen is listed as a spinster at 22. Old beyond her years. First name Nancy QUEEN Servant, Gentleman's Servant 25 F 1871-05-08 Ireland Abyssinia WILLIAM S. QUEEN Weaver 27 M 1872-04-22 England Abyssinia ANN QUEEN Spinster 22 F 1884-09-26 Ireland Adriatic MRS. QUEEN Unknown 44 F 1882-04-24 Scotland Anchoria HUGH. QUEEN Stone Cutter 45 M 1882-04-24 Scotland Anchoria CATHERINE QUEEN Child, Youngster 4 F 1882-04-24 Scotland Anchoria ROSINA QUEEN Infant 909 F 1882-04-24 Scotland Anchoria JOHN QUEEN Child, Youngster 4 M 1882-04-24 Scotland Anchoria ELIZABETH QUEEN Servant, Gentleman's Servant 25 F 1882-05-31 Ireland Anchoria HELEN QUEEN Child, Youngster 7 F 1882-04-24 Scotland Anchoria

Thanks Valorie, This is a great source. Don Queen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valorie Zimmerman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: [MacQueen] CastleGarden.org > The Castle Garden Database is now online. You can presently search New > York passenger arrivals from 1830-1892. > > http://www.castlegarden.org/ > > A search for Mc Queen brought 137 matches! Here are the first ten : > > Firstname Lastname Occupation Age Sex Arrived Origin Ship > > THOMAS W. MC QUEEN Gentleman 28 M 1884-09-22 USA Alaska > SAM MC QUEEN Butcher 24 M 1885-10-14 Scotland Anchoria > JOHN MC QUEEN Bricklayer, Maurer 20 M 1880-05-04 Scotland Anchoria > JOHN MC QUEEN Engine Driver 40 M 1880-05-04 Scotland Anchoria > THOMAS MC QUEEN Stone Cutter 24 M 1881-05-11 Scotland Anchoria > MRS. MC QUEEN Unknown 40 F 1878-04-02 Scotland Anchoria > JOHN MC QUEEN Bricklayer, Maurer 21 M 1885-05-27 Scotland Anchoria > UNKNOWN MC QUEEN Infant 909 M 1878-04-02 Scotland Anchoria > THOMAS MC QUEEN Draper 22 M 1880-11-16 Scotland Anchoria > JOHN MC QUEEN Stone Cutter 23 M 1881-05-11 Scotland Anchoria > > Searching for McQueen with no space got 40 results. MacQueen 12, Mac Queen > 2. > > The website says, in part: > > CastleGarden.org offers free access to an extraordinary database of > information on 10 million immigrants from 1830 through 1892, the year > Ellis > Island opened.... From 1855 to 1890, the Castle was America's first > official > immigration center, a pioneering collaboration of New York State and New > York > City. > > CastleGarden.org is an invaluable resource for educators, scholars, > students, > family historians, and the interested public. Currently the site hosts 10 > million records, and support is needed to complete the digitization of the > remaining 2 million records, beginning in 1820, from the original ship > manifests. > > Have fun! > > Valorie > > > ==== MacQueen Mailing List ==== > Rootsweb has created a resource page for us, with a number of searches > and other goodies: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/m/a/MACQUEEN > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 > >

Hi Listmates, My computer is blocking some of my mail because it doesn't know I want to hear from the list. I hope this works. Linda

We have only one sample from a donor reportedly from the John Queen of Montgomery County lineage. Due to the results of the sample, it's unlikely that this sample truly represents this lineage. A sample from another major branch of this John Queen's line is required before any responsible tentative conclusions can be reached regarding the DNA of this John Queen. He absolutely cannot be ruled out; nor can he be ruled in. (Remember, the DNA is of the donor only.) Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Minch & Kartholl" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 4:17 PM Subject: [QUEEN] Do we have a DNA donor for John Queen line? >I have been reading the list archives from 2002 for posts on Gene's land >deed project and location of cemeteries. On June 1, 2002, Gene mentions a >strip of land sold by John Queen to Adam Mooney a few months after James >Queen sold an adjoining plot to Adam Mooney. Do we have a donor for this >John Queen line to determine if he is an old William descendant and >therefore related to James Queen? > > > --Phil Minch-- > Louisville, KY > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > GenConnect Family Association: Queen > Surname Index > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=88QUEEN > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

You know what is interesting (keeping in mind I have a weird mind): look at the ages of various listed husbands and wifes! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [QUEEN] Glasgow, Scotland Queens to NZ Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:32:32 -0600 Resent-From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:32:32 -0400 From: Katy McMillen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Hi, Listers-I was checknig with Kate Hart, our New Zealand contact, because we hadn't heard from her since January. She says her actual Queen-named cousin is not approachable to do DNA testing, but good ole Cousin George has been at the library, using LDS, etc [no internet] and has found the following: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Hart" <[email protected]> To: "Katy McMillen" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: QUEEN info - fresh off the presses!! > Hi Katy, > > Here as promised is the QUEEN info from my cousin > George. I have transcribed it word for word (it can be > confusing, any questions just ask!) and the dates put > Alexander marrying at age 11 (who knows what they got > up to in the old days!!) > > Feel free to post it to the QUEEN list, someone might > find a connection there. > > George, bless his little 82year old cotton socks is > very excited and can't wait to hear any feedback it > might generate. (Me too!) > > Catch up with you soon, > > Kate. > > ______________________________________________________ > > > The Queen Connection > As known by descendants in New Zealand > > The earliest record held is the 1851 Census of that > part of Glasgow, Scotland where our QUEEN forebears > lived and children born, namely the Parish of College > Lanarkshire 644/1 on L.D.S film no. 103705 > > Take note of the changes in the spelling of the family > name through the years and the informants names and > signatures. > > Living at 77 New Vennel Glasgow were Alexander QUIN, > head, 19years, Dyer: Marion QUIN, wife, 28yrs: and two > female lodgers. > > The next record is the birth entry for daughter > Margaret QUEEN born 28 Sep 1855 at 77 New Vennel, > Father Alexander QUEEN, Dyer, Soldier, 21 years, who > was born in County Monaghan, Ireland. Mother Marion > QUEEN, m.s KERR, 31yrs, born Paisley, Scotland, her > fourth child. Also on the birth entry Alexander and > Marion said they were married in Glasgow in 1846 and > there had been three previous births two boys and one > girl, all deceased. The informant registering the > birth was Isabella LAIRD, neighbour, she gave her > mark. > > The next record is the birth of JAMES Wright QUIN at > 77 New Vennel, Glasgow on the 4th April 1858 to > Alexander QUIN, Soldier and Marion QUIN, m.s KERR, > Mother. The informant was Mary WRIGHT, a cousin. > > The next record is the 1861 Census of the Parish of > Highchurch, Glasgow. 644/2 on LDS film # 0103850 > Halfway through the film to volume two, Enumeration > book 37, page 6. At 77 New Vennel were Alexander > QUEEN head, 26yrs, Labourer. Marion QUEEN wife 30yrs, > Margaret QUEEN daughter 5yrs, James QUEEN son, 3yrs > and four female lodgers. > > The next record is the birth of a daughter Jeanie QUIN > at 81 New Vennel, Glasgow on the 9th may 1862 to > Alexander QUIN, Masons labourer and Marion QUIN, > mother m.s KERR. The informant was Margaret WILLIAMSON > inmate, and her mark. Also recorded was the year > Alexander and Marion married, 1842 in Glasgow. > > The next record is the birth of a daughter Christina > QUEEN at 81 New Vennel, on 4th June 1865 to Alexander > QUEEN labourer and Martha QUEEN mother m.s KERR. The > informant was Jane MacGREGOR, Aunt, and her mark. Also > recorded was the date of marriage for Alexander and > Marion 2 June 1840 in Glasgow. > > The next record is the death entry for Christina QUEEN > who lived five days and died on the 9th June 1865. the > rest of the information was a repeat of the birth > entry > > The interesting thing noted that neither parent > registered the births of the death of their children. > The informants were illiterate, no doubt the parents > were also. Having gathered the above information a > search was made of the 1871 Census of Glasgow, which > was discontinued after sighting 11 rolls of film and > not finding Alexander QUEEN and family. The project > will have to be started again. > > The next record is of JAMES (Wright, he never used the name again and it > is believed that he never knew of it) > QUEEN's intention to marry document of May 1884 where > he states he had lived in the area (Paparoa, > Northland, New Zealand) for three years, then marrying > Charlotte CARTWRIGHT on the 27th May 1884 in the > residence of the brides father, Mr. Nelson CARTWRIGHT > of Matakohe, Northland. > > No known family history has survived telling us of > James QUEEN's early life or that of his parents or > siblings. > > > > The above was written by George MacKAY, the grandson > of James QUEEN. > He has been researching the QUEEN family of New > Zealand for the past 15years or so. > In the last few months we have been transcribing all > his notes and findings onto LEGACY, the family tree > programme. > > George can be contacted by mail using the following > address. > > George MacKAY > 23b Cambrai Ave > Mt Roskill > Auckland > New Zealand. > > I can be contacted on the following email address and > am happy to pass any correspondence onto George as > required. > > Katherine HART (Great, Great Grand-daughter of James > QUEEN.) > > [email protected] > > > > > Auckland > New Zealand > > Currently researching: > Harts of Waihi, Coromandel and Thames NZ > Harts of Salford, Lancs. > Harts of Haughton and Seighford, Staffs > Harts of Ohura/Stratford/Taumaranui NZ > Owens of Hulme, Lancs > Owens of Bangor, North Wales > Queens of Papamoa/Matakohe NZ > Toveys of London > Beech of Onehunga/Otahuhu NZ > Armstrongs of Otahuhu NZ > Gt Uncle Trevor HART who changed his name to Steve and hasn't been heard > of since!!! Also Barry HART.. where did you disappear too?? > A never-ending supply of chocolate tim tams > World Peace > > (not in that order of course) > > Check out our HART family webpage. > > http://hartsofnewzealand.rootschat.net/ > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== GenConnect at Rootsweb http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Queen QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. 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Hi, Listers-I was checknig with Kate Hart, our New Zealand contact, because we hadn't heard from her since January. She says her actual Queen-named cousin is not approachable to do DNA testing, but good ole Cousin George has been at the library, using LDS, etc [no internet] and has found the following: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Hart" <[email protected]> To: "Katy McMillen" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: QUEEN info - fresh off the presses!! > Hi Katy, > > Here as promised is the QUEEN info from my cousin > George. I have transcribed it word for word (it can be > confusing, any questions just ask!) and the dates put > Alexander marrying at age 11 (who knows what they got > up to in the old days!!) > > Feel free to post it to the QUEEN list, someone might > find a connection there. > > George, bless his little 82year old cotton socks is > very excited and can't wait to hear any feedback it > might generate. (Me too!) > > Catch up with you soon, > > Kate. > > ______________________________________________________ > > > The Queen Connection > As known by descendants in New Zealand > > The earliest record held is the 1851 Census of that > part of Glasgow, Scotland where our QUEEN forebears > lived and children born, namely the Parish of College > Lanarkshire 644/1 on L.D.S film no. 103705 > > Take note of the changes in the spelling of the family > name through the years and the informants names and > signatures. > > Living at 77 New Vennel Glasgow were Alexander QUIN, > head, 19years, Dyer: Marion QUIN, wife, 28yrs: and two > female lodgers. > > The next record is the birth entry for daughter > Margaret QUEEN born 28 Sep 1855 at 77 New Vennel, > Father Alexander QUEEN, Dyer, Soldier, 21 years, who > was born in County Monaghan, Ireland. Mother Marion > QUEEN, m.s KERR, 31yrs, born Paisley, Scotland, her > fourth child. Also on the birth entry Alexander and > Marion said they were married in Glasgow in 1846 and > there had been three previous births two boys and one > girl, all deceased. The informant registering the > birth was Isabella LAIRD, neighbour, she gave her > mark. > > The next record is the birth of JAMES Wright QUIN at > 77 New Vennel, Glasgow on the 4th April 1858 to > Alexander QUIN, Soldier and Marion QUIN, m.s KERR, > Mother. The informant was Mary WRIGHT, a cousin. > > The next record is the 1861 Census of the Parish of > Highchurch, Glasgow. 644/2 on LDS film # 0103850 > Halfway through the film to volume two, Enumeration > book 37, page 6. At 77 New Vennel were Alexander > QUEEN head, 26yrs, Labourer. Marion QUEEN wife 30yrs, > Margaret QUEEN daughter 5yrs, James QUEEN son, 3yrs > and four female lodgers. > > The next record is the birth of a daughter Jeanie QUIN > at 81 New Vennel, Glasgow on the 9th may 1862 to > Alexander QUIN, Masons labourer and Marion QUIN, > mother m.s KERR. The informant was Margaret WILLIAMSON > inmate, and her mark. Also recorded was the year > Alexander and Marion married, 1842 in Glasgow. > > The next record is the birth of a daughter Christina > QUEEN at 81 New Vennel, on 4th June 1865 to Alexander > QUEEN labourer and Martha QUEEN mother m.s KERR. The > informant was Jane MacGREGOR, Aunt, and her mark. Also > recorded was the date of marriage for Alexander and > Marion 2 June 1840 in Glasgow. > > The next record is the death entry for Christina QUEEN > who lived five days and died on the 9th June 1865. the > rest of the information was a repeat of the birth > entry > > The interesting thing noted that neither parent > registered the births of the death of their children. > The informants were illiterate, no doubt the parents > were also. Having gathered the above information a > search was made of the 1871 Census of Glasgow, which > was discontinued after sighting 11 rolls of film and > not finding Alexander QUEEN and family. The project > will have to be started again. > > The next record is of JAMES (Wright, he never used the name again and it > is believed that he never knew of it) > QUEEN's intention to marry document of May 1884 where > he states he had lived in the area (Paparoa, > Northland, New Zealand) for three years, then marrying > Charlotte CARTWRIGHT on the 27th May 1884 in the > residence of the brides father, Mr. Nelson CARTWRIGHT > of Matakohe, Northland. > > No known family history has survived telling us of > James QUEEN's early life or that of his parents or > siblings. > > > > The above was written by George MacKAY, the grandson > of James QUEEN. > He has been researching the QUEEN family of New > Zealand for the past 15years or so. > In the last few months we have been transcribing all > his notes and findings onto LEGACY, the family tree > programme. > > George can be contacted by mail using the following > address. > > George MacKAY > 23b Cambrai Ave > Mt Roskill > Auckland > New Zealand. > > I can be contacted on the following email address and > am happy to pass any correspondence onto George as > required. > > Katherine HART (Great, Great Grand-daughter of James > QUEEN.) > > [email protected] > > > > > Auckland > New Zealand > > Currently researching: > Harts of Waihi, Coromandel and Thames NZ > Harts of Salford, Lancs. > Harts of Haughton and Seighford, Staffs > Harts of Ohura/Stratford/Taumaranui NZ > Owens of Hulme, Lancs > Owens of Bangor, North Wales > Queens of Papamoa/Matakohe NZ > Toveys of London > Beech of Onehunga/Otahuhu NZ > Armstrongs of Otahuhu NZ > Gt Uncle Trevor HART who changed his name to Steve and hasn't been heard > of since!!! Also Barry HART.. where did you disappear too?? > A never-ending supply of chocolate tim tams > World Peace > > (not in that order of course) > > Check out our HART family webpage. > > http://hartsofnewzealand.rootschat.net/ > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 > >

Dates? Dates? They are most helpful in genealogy. It's a little scary to realize we are dealing mainly with NC/TN/MS/AR/WV/O/IN/IL/MO/TX dates one hundred to 150 years ago. Wow! You asked--PALESTINE, in Anderson Co., TEXAS, was founded 1847 about the time the county was formed [1846] because no existing town was then in the center of the county [which was supposed to be established in the center within 15 miles of every citizen--for county business purposes.]. In 1847 a large group of settlers from TN and AL also settled on land 14 mi. NW of Palestine in TENNESSEE COLONY, which still exists as a town. It is in the "Piney Woods" of East Texas, lumber country and oil was discovered in 1928. I don't have a phone book to look for Queen names, but the Palestine Carnegie Library has been open since 1882 and ought to be helpful. I find no Queens listed in Anderson County in the 1900 Census list that I have of Queen families [with children]. For Queens in Navarro Co. see below. Looking at my brand-new FREE map of Tennessee [ordered from the state on the internet] I find Chattanooga, TN in MARION County; the county is sitting on the southern state line with a juncture of the Alabama and Georgia statelines just below it. Who are you looking for? Charlton and James Davis Queen have had me looking 40 to 60 miles to the east of Marion County at COPPERHILL, TN [just west of the NC stateline in the extreme south-eastern most point of the state of Tennessee]. Queens from there showed up in Navarro County, Texas around 1910. [Navarro County is the next county NW of ANDERSON County; Corsicana is the county seat, big oil town there], that makes Tennessee Colony some 48 miles SE of Corsicana, TX. ****David A. Queen appears in the 1900 Navarro Co.Census; born (1848 NC-1924) son of Meredith Queen [born 1823 NC-1907 TN]; David married Sue C. Bowden. Also in Navarro County in 1900 census; are: NAME COUNTY VOL/ E.D. /S.D. /LN. Hattie Queen-Navarro Co. 84 - 97 - 8 - 29 J.T. Queen- Navarro Co. 84 -100 - 10 - 41 Lillie Queen - Navarro Co. 84 -100 - 24 - 87 W.T. Queen - Navarro Co. 84 -100 - 10 - 37 Who are they? Could someone look them up and report to us? We have lots of Queens in Texas! Does this help, Rolla? Katy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rolla Queen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: [QUEEN] Fishing >I am just curious. Is there anyone on the Queen list that knows of any > mention or has a connection to Queens that may have settled in Palestine, > Texas, or may have been in Marion County, Tennessee? I'm chasing a wild > hare > and I'm just curious to see where it leads. > > Rolla > > http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ > http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > QUEEN (Q500) at ROOTSWEB > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/q/u/QUEEN/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 > >

I have been reading the list archives from 2002 for posts on Gene's land deed project and location of cemeteries. On June 1, 2002, Gene mentions a strip of land sold by John Queen to Adam Mooney a few months after James Queen sold an adjoining plot to Adam Mooney. Do we have a donor for this John Queen line to determine if he is an old William descendant and therefore related to James Queen? --Phil Minch-- Louisville, KY

I am just curious. Is there anyone on the Queen list that knows of any mention or has a connection to Queens that may have settled in Palestine, Texas, or may have been in Marion County, Tennessee? I'm chasing a wild hare and I'm just curious to see where it leads. Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005

I uploaded a new webpage. There are no new results, but it reflects the current status of pending results, as well as a couple of Quinn study participants that may be closely aligned to some of us Queens. There is one perfect match for Group 4 (Charles Queen). I could use ancestor information for some of these pending tests, otherwise they will remain unidentified for the moment. thanks Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005