Charlton, Good to know you're surfing. Keep feeding our mascot. How are the smiles? Katy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlton Queen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:16 AM Subject: [QUEEN] Harmon Queen death date > While surfing the Haywood Co., NC site I found the following information > listed on the 1850 mortality schedule: > > Harmen Queen age: 50; sex: female; Free White; Born: NC; Died: June; > Married; Occupation: Farmer; Cause of Death: Fever; # Days Ill: 4 > > The only person in my database that is a close fit is Harmon Queen s/o > Samuel Queen and Dicey Rolls. Harmon's DOB is abt. 1799 and all his > children were born in Haywood Co. The fact that the Harmen in question > has farmer listed as an occupation leads me to believe that the sex > designation as female is a transcription error. > > Does anyone have information to support or disprove my assumption? > > Just trying to add a tidbit between diapers and bottles, > > Charlton > > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Visit Reiley Kidd's homepg to view Queen information > compiled and catagorized by first name: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/2864/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/157 - Release Date: 11/2/2005 > >

While surfing the Haywood Co., NC site I found the following information listed on the 1850 mortality schedule: Harmen Queen age: 50; sex: female; Free White; Born: NC; Died: June; Married; Occupation: Farmer; Cause of Death: Fever; # Days Ill: 4 The only person in my database that is a close fit is Harmon Queen s/o Samuel Queen and Dicey Rolls. Harmon's DOB is abt. 1799 and all his children were born in Haywood Co. The fact that the Harmen in question has farmer listed as an occupation leads me to believe that the sex designation as female is a transcription error. Does anyone have information to support or disprove my assumption? Just trying to add a tidbit between diapers and bottles, Charlton

Hi everyone, Greetings from Ireland! I see that new results are arriving daily for the DNA study. Unforetunately, I am not in a position to post them. So everyone hang tight and we will get them up when we return. We are heading south today from Enniskillen. We note in some research here that a lot of the Quinns, or Ua Coinnes, and O'Quinns are from County Tyrone, but there is also a town of Quin near Limerick. We will be doing a drive by just to see what is about. Rolla

Hi Queen list, I finally found a computer I could use in Ireland at a library. I just wanted to say we are hvaing a BLAST. So much history, so many sites, and I am actually learning something about various parts of my family. I spent part of yesterday on an archaeological site related to my Cassity side of the family. Described as the Ancient Cassity Rath, it was an old mound on top of a hill that the Cassity clan used as a defensive position and fort back in the good old days when fending off Normans, and the English, and all other Irish wannabees. Anyway, I have seen plenty of Quinn and McQueen names around the area, so I feel I am not too far from home. I'll write all about it when I get back. best wishes, Rolla and Dale

Kate Hart sent this..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Hart" <[email protected]> To: "Katy McMillen" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: QUEEN info - fresh off the presses!! > Hi Katy, > > Here as promised is the QUEEN info from my cousin > George. I have transcribed it word for word (it can be > confusing, any questions just ask!) and the dates put > Alexander marrying at age 11 (who knows what they got > up to in the old days!!) > > Feel free to post it to the QUEEN list, someone might > find a connection there. > > George, bless his little 82year old cotton socks is > very excited and can't wait to hear any feedback it > might generate. (Me too!) > > Catch up with you soon, > > Kate. > > ______________________________________________________ > > > The Queen Connection > As known by descendants in New Zealand > > The earliest record held is the 1851 Census of that > part of Glasgow, Scotland where our QUEEN forebears > lived and children born, namely the Parish of College > Lanarkshire 644/1 on L.D.S film no. 103705 > > Take note of the changes in the spelling of the family > name through the years and the informants names and > signatures. > > Living at 77 New Vennel Glasgow were Alexander QUIN, > head, 19years, Dyer: Marion QUIN, wife, 28yrs: and two > female lodgers. > > The next record is the birth entry for daughter > Margaret QUEEN born 28 Sep 1855 at 77 New Vennel, > Father Alexander QUEEN, Dyer, Soldier, 21 years, who > was born in County Monaghan, Ireland. Mother Marion > QUEEN, m.s KERR, 31yrs, born Paisley, Scotland, her > fourth child. Also on the birth entry Alexander and > Marion said they were married in Glasgow in 1846 and > there had been three previous births two boys and one > girl, all deceased. The informant registering the > birth was Isabella LAIRD, neighbour, she gave her > mark. > > The next record is the birth of James Wright QUIN at > 77 New Vennel, Glasgow on the 4th April 1858 to > Alexander QUIN, Soldier and Marion QUIN, m.s KERR, > Mother. The informant was Mary WRIGHT, a cousin. > > The next record is the 1861 Census of the Parish of > Highchurch, Glasgow. 644/2 on LDS film # 0103850 > Halfway through the film to volume two, Enumeration > book 37, page 6. At 77 New Vennel were Alexander > QUEEN head, 26yrs, Labourer. Marion QUEEN wife 30yrs, > Margaret QUEEN daughter 5yrs, James QUEEN son, 3yrs > and four female lodgers. > > The next record is the birth of a daughter Jeanie QUIN > at 81 New Vennel, Glasgow on the 9th may 1862 to > Alexander QUIN, Masons labourer and Marion QUIN, > mother m.s KERR. The informant was Margaret WILLIAMSON > inmate, and her mark. Also recorded was the year > Alexander and Marion married, 1842 in Glasgow. > > The next record is the birth of a daughter Christina > QUEEN at 81 New Vennel, on 4th June 1865 to Alexander > QUEEN labourer and Martha QUEEN mother m.s KERR. The > informant was Jane MacGREGOR, Aunt, and her mark. Also > recorded was the date of marriage for Alexander and > Marion 2 June 1840 in Glasgow. > > The next record is the death entry for Christina QUEEN > who lived five days and died on the 9th June 1865. the > rest of the information was a repeat of the birth > entry > > The interesting thing noted that neither parent > registered the births of the death of their children. > The informants were illiterate, no doubt the parents > were also. Having gathered the above information a > search was made of the 1871 Census of Glasgow, which > was discontinued after sighting 11 rolls of film and > not finding Alexander QUEEN and family. The project > will have to be started again. > > The next record is of James (Wright, he never used it > again and it is believed that he never knew of it) > QUEEN's intention to marry document of May 1884 where > he states he had lived in the area (Paparoa, > Northland, New Zealand) for three years, then marrying > Charlotte CARTWRIGHT on the 27th May 1884 in the > residence of the brides father, Mr. Nelson CARTWRIGHT > of Matakohe, Northland. > > No known family history has survived telling us of > James QUEEN's early life or that of his parents or > siblings. > > > > The above was written by George MacKAY, the grandson > of James QUEEN. > He has been researching the QUEEN family of New > Zealand for the past 15years or so. > In the last few months we have been transcribing all > his notes and findings onto LEGACY, the family tree > programme. > > George can be contacted by mail using the following > address. > > George MacKAY > 23b Cambrai Ave > Mt Roskill > Auckland > New Zealand. > > I can be contacted on the following email address and > am happy to pass any correspondence onto George as > required. > > Katherine HART (Great, Great Grand-daughter of James > QUEEN.) > > [email protected] > > > > > Auckland > New Zealand > > Currently researching: > Harts of Waihi, Coromandel and Thames NZ > Harts of Salford, Lancs. > Harts of Haughton and Seighford, Staffs > Harts of Ohura/Stratford/Taumaranui NZ > Owens of Hulme, Lancs > Owens of Bangor, North Wales > Queens of Papamoa/Matakohe NZ > Toveys of London > Beech of Onehunga/Otahuhu NZ > Armstrongs of Otahuhu NZ > Gt Uncle Trevor HART who changed his name to Steve and hasn't been heard > of since!!! Also Barry HART.. where did you disappear too?? > A never-ending supply of chocolate tim tams > World Peace > > (not in that order of course) > > Check out our HART family webpage. > > http://hartsofnewzealand.rootschat.net/ > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 > >

You live in a fascinating place, from a genealogical view point. I have several questions; What do you know about the apparent relocation of the graves of Stephen Hogue and Rebecca ? Can you trace where they came from ? Do they have grave stones ? These are both significant figures in our history, can you get photos of the grave stones? You mention Sarah, wife of James. Is this my gggGrandmother ? born 1785, died 1860? Does she have a gravestone ? Is there any evidence of the grave of James ? You mention that Golden Valley Cemetery, the final resting place of Old William is now known as Old Hogue Cemetery. To the best of your knowledge is this the probable location of Old Wms grave ? What is the condition of the cemetery ? This is beginning to sound like a great field trip, perhaps a casual meeting of all us curious minds. Inquiring genealogical minds want to know ! Thanks, Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [QUEEN] OLd Williams final resting place > That probably of Mazie's is.... probably true.> Stephen Hogue and his > wife Rebecca are buried on the Guy and Helen Oates Grayson land.now. They > live about 4 miles from me.. James Queen's wife Sarah is buried in (My) > First Broad Bap. Church Cem. Less than 2 niles from me. Sarah is the > Sarah Queen that some say has not been proven to be the one Sally Queen > Branch was named for, but you can't tell that to the folk here that its > not proven they claim their Grantcer's and Granny's ( Grandparents) told > them it was she indeed the branch was named for.(.Sally lived above her > Pa's place blind John Jones land and his grist mill ) And the branch > called Sally Queen Branch was called so because ,Sarah called Sally lived > there near the branch. I'm about 3 miles from where the Old William Queen > lived.There is a Gun Club now on or about the place where he (Wm Queen) > lived .I've been in the Valley since 1948.Soon be 58 years About long > enough to know a place quite well.Especially when it doesn't rate a dot on > the map.Two stores, Miliken Mill,Haven in the Hills retirement home > ,Steeples on about every knoll and ....me (A few more people) But...you > youngins have already heard all this By the way the cemetery Mazie refered > to is a Golden Valley Cemetary but we call it the old Houge > Cemetery.Betty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:03 PM > Subject: [QUEEN] OLd Williams final resting place > > >> It should be noted that my hero Mazie Queen Young wrote that Old William >> was "probably buried in the Golden Vally Cemetary, south of a land trac >> sold to him by the Spec. Land Company" Stephen Hogue and his wife Rebecca >> were buried in the same cemetary. >> >> Don >> > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Search for a Surname, GenConnect Family Association: Queen > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/srchsite.pl?site=88QUEEN > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/138 - Release Date: 10/17/2005 > >

That probably of Mazie's is.... probably true.> Stephen Hogue and his wife Rebecca are buried on the Guy and Helen Oates Grayson land.now. They live about 4 miles from me.. James Queen's wife Sarah is buried in (My) First Broad Bap. Church Cem. Less than 2 niles from me. Sarah is the Sarah Queen that some say has not been proven to be the one Sally Queen Branch was named for, but you can't tell that to the folk here that its not proven they claim their Grantcer's and Granny's ( Grandparents) told them it was she indeed the branch was named for.(.Sally lived above her Pa's place blind John Jones land and his grist mill ) And the branch called Sally Queen Branch was called so because ,Sarah called Sally lived there near the branch. I'm about 3 miles from where the Old William Queen lived.There is a Gun Club now on or about the place where he (Wm Queen) lived .I've been in the Valley since 1948.Soon be 58 years About long enough to know a place quite well.Especially when it doesn't rate a dot on the map.Two stores, Miliken Mill,Haven in the Hills retirement home ,Steeples on about every knoll and ....me (A few more people) But...you youngins have already heard all this By the way the cemetery Mazie refered to is a Golden Valley Cemetary but we call it the old Houge Cemetery.Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: [QUEEN] OLd Williams final resting place > It should be noted that my hero Mazie Queen Young wrote that Old William > was "probably buried in the Golden Vally Cemetary, south of a land trac > sold to him by the Spec. Land Company" Stephen Hogue and his wife Rebecca > were buried in the same cemetary. > > Don >

I have always heard that old William Queen was buried in Golden Valley...sooo rumor is all I have.I can find no proof.>Thanks for the comment Don,on my book.I now have Volume 2-If any one is interested... ask me about it.Make it soon they are going rather quickly.I haven't advertised it yet and may not.> And I'm working on Vol 3_ I will let you know when to expect the Volume on A Tribute to the Queen Family it won't be out until 2006..There will be no new family history in it.but even old "Stuff" looks good in a book.And not all of it is know to Queen List. Nancy Wiley's story on Pinkney Gaither Queen and one on Cicero Queen will be in it-- both are "Dillies">.We need to get our book on Queen Story's together. Katy when you get caught up on all the latest let us know a bit about it. Please and Thank you..Betty

It should be noted that my hero Mazie Queen Young wrote that Old William was "probably buried in the Golden Vally Cemetary, south of a land trac sold to him by the Spec. Land Company" Stephen Hogue and his wife Rebecca were buried in the same cemetary. Don

> Don ...Do you know where Old William Queen is buried in Golden Valley? =========================================================== I'm afraid it is only a great rumor, although I'm convinced it's true. I actually visited Golden Valley about 10 years ago and interviewed residents of the area. Apparently even the graveyard is gone after 200 years of neglect. The earliest grave I ever found was my ancestor Jamison Queen in Lincolnton, NC. However, you bring up a good question. Maybe it's time to reexamine the story about the burial place of Old William. I recently bought a beautiful little book authored by Elizabeth Towery, a member of the list. As the book demonstrates, she has extensive knowledge of Golden Valley area, hopefully she or another cousin can shed some light on this question. Don Queen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:51 AM Subject: [QUEEN] Re: QUEEN-D Digest V05 #273 > > Don ...Do you know where Old William Queen is buried in Golden Valley? Or > do > you have an approximation? I would love a personal guide to document the > sight. > Thanks > Margaret Fontana > > > In a message dated 10/26/2005 10:03:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > The 1801 date of death that you asked about is the date that Letters of > Administration were granted to Stephen Hogue on the estate of William > Queen > Sr. by the Rutherford County Court. > > That was in April of 1801. Therefore it is impossible that his date of > death > was 8 or 9 years earlier in 1793. > > I show his date of death as 1801 in Golden Valley where he was buried. > > Don Queen > > > > > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Search for a Surname, GenConnect Family Association: Queen > http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/srchsite.pl?site=88QUEEN > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/138 - Release Date: 10/17/2005 > >

Don ...Do you know where Old William Queen is buried in Golden Valley? Or do you have an approximation? I would love a personal guide to document the sight. Thanks Margaret Fontana In a message dated 10/26/2005 10:03:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The 1801 date of death that you asked about is the date that Letters of Administration were granted to Stephen Hogue on the estate of William Queen Sr. by the Rutherford County Court. That was in April of 1801. Therefore it is impossible that his date of death was 8 or 9 years earlier in 1793. I show his date of death as 1801 in Golden Valley where he was buried. Don Queen

Hi everyone, I hate that I haven't been able to be as involved as I'd like to in the Queen list but I do want you all to know that I've changed email addresses if you need to reach me. My new email is: [email protected] Thanks, Mandy

Rolla, I noticed on your website that you have Old William Queen born 1716 and death date as 5 Oct 1793. What is the source of the death date? I thought he died early in 1801 in Rutherford County, N.C. This is from my notes regarding old William: 1. Rutherford County, North Carolina Deed Bk 22-23: 407. 11 April 1794, William Queen, Jr., attorney for William Queen, Sr., to Jacob Prilhard, tract on Ward�s Creek granted to Robert Collinwood. (Wouldn't they have said William Queen, Sr., deceased?) 2. Also, Wooley, James E. and Vivian, 25. (There is no date for this, but it was proved in court in 1801.) Rutherford County, North Carolina Will Bk B, 123: Bill of Sale. I, William Queen, Sr. sold to Stephan Hogue ( William's son-in-law) 1 mare now in his possession, likewise, 6 plates, 3 dishes, 3 basins. Witnessed: David Forbes, William Hogue. Signed: William (x) Queen 3. William Queen household, 1800 Federal census, Rutherford County, North Carolina: 00001-00001 (1 male over 45, 1 female over 45). 4. Philbeck, �William Queen 1716-1801,� 142. Rutherford County, North Carolina Court Minutes, April 1801. Letters of administration granted to Stephen Hogue on the estate of William Queen, Sen., dec�d. William Carson security on bond. (I thought William Queen died between the census enumeration in summer of 1800 and April 1801.) Any comments? Thanks, Drew

The 1801 date of death that you asked about is the date that Letters of Administration were granted to Stephen Hogue on the estate of William Queen Sr. by the Rutherford County Court. That was in April of 1801. Therefore it is impossible that his date of death was 8 or 9 years earlier in 1793. I show his date of death as 1801 in Golden Valley where he was buried. Don Queen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Welch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: [QUEEN] Old William Queen > Rolla, > I noticed on your website that you have Old William Queen born 1716 and > death date as 5 Oct 1793. What is the source of the > death date? I thought he died early in 1801 in Rutherford County, N.C. > > This is from my notes regarding old William: > 1. Rutherford County, North Carolina Deed Bk 22-23: 407. 11 April 1794, > William Queen, Jr., attorney for William Queen, Sr., to Jacob Prilhard, > tract on Ward's Creek granted to Robert Collinwood. (Wouldn't they have > said William Queen, Sr., deceased?) > > 2. Also, Wooley, James E. and Vivian, 25. (There is no date for this, but > it was proved in court in 1801.) Rutherford County, North Carolina Will > Bk > B, 123: Bill of Sale. I, William Queen, Sr. sold to Stephan Hogue ( > William's son-in-law) 1 mare now in his possession, likewise, 6 plates, 3 > dishes, 3 basins. Witnessed: David Forbes, William Hogue. Signed: William > (x) Queen > > 3. William Queen household, 1800 Federal census, Rutherford County, North > Carolina: 00001-00001 (1 male over 45, 1 female over 45). > 4. Philbeck, "William Queen 1716-1801," 142. Rutherford County, North > Carolina Court Minutes, April 1801. Letters of administration granted to > Stephen Hogue on the estate of William Queen, Sen., dec'd. William Carson > security on bond. (I thought William Queen died between the census > enumeration in summer of 1800 and April 1801.) > > Any comments? Thanks, Drew > > > > > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Visit Reiley Kidd's homepg to view Queen information > compiled and catagorized by first name: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/2864/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/138 - Release Date: 10/17/2005 > >

Drew, The information on the website for the DNA study reflects the information provided to me by and large by the DNA donor/participant - therefore it reflects their knowledge and understanding and research back to their brick wall. Since I do not claim descent from the Old William line, I will defer to the many folks on the list that do and have better information. As I have tried to explain, the website should reflect for each DNA donor, the oldest confirmed ancestor that the participant can trace back to through research and documents, not who they speculate they should trace back to. The website information should also reflect the earliest confirmed appearance and geographic location that the most distant confirmed ancestor shows up. Sometimes that is the birth date and place, often times it is not. I have two different views of the web data. One designed with minimal info for easy printing on regular paper, and an expanded version with more information showing. I have been toying with various ways to jump start some of the Queen research by displaying the data in different ways, but I have just been to busy at work and getting ready for my vacation - to Ireland. Which begins later this day!!!!!! the two sites are http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker-x.htm Please, all of you, check the information on these sites, talk to the donors and see whether or not it reflects your current state of knowledge about you ancestor. When I get back we will all have a nice holiday discussion, over nog, about how to make our noggins solve some of these riddles of Queens in the past! Rolla -------Original Message------- From: Drew Welch Date: 10/26/05 06:19:13 To: Rolla Queen; [email protected] Subject: Old William Queen Rolla, I noticed on your website that you have Old William Queen born 1716 and death date as 5 Oct 1793. What is the source of the death date? I thought he died early in 1801 in Rutherford County, N.C. This is from my notes regarding old William: 1. Rutherford County, North Carolina Deed Bk 22-23: 407. 11 April 1794, William Queen, Jr., attorney for William Queen, Sr., to Jacob Prilhard, tract on Ward’s Creek granted to Robert Collinwood. (Wouldn't they have said William Queen, Sr., deceased?) 2. Also, Wooley, James E. and Vivian, 25. (There is no date for this, but it was proved in court in 1801.) Rutherford County, North Carolina Will Bk B, 123: Bill of Sale. I, William Queen, Sr. sold to Stephan Hogue ( William's son-in-law) 1 mare now in his possession, likewise, 6 plates, 3 dishes, 3 basins. Witnessed: David Forbes, William Hogue. Signed: William (x) Queen 3. William Queen household, 1800 Federal census, Rutherford County, North Carolina: 00001-00001 (1 male over 45, 1 female over 45). 4. Philbeck, “William Queen 1716-1801,” 142. Rutherford County, North Carolina Court Minutes, April 1801. Letters of administration granted to Stephen Hogue on the estate of William Queen, Sen., dec’d. William Carson security on bond. (I thought William Queen died between the census enumeration in summer of 1800 and April 1801.) Any comments? Thanks, Drew -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker-x.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen

Congradulations Reilley, and welcome to the world of DNA. You are about to embark on a fascinating experience. FTDNA is the firm that the Queen study uses. They are the largest firm so far, and that offers several advantages. Quality wise, all the DNA test companies seem to do quality work. But FTDNA has sort of set the standard, and your DNA markers will be tested against the largest database in existence (almost 40000 participatnts so far). The other companies have smaller databases, and test different markers in some instances. So it becomes hard to really compare results internationally. I think that FTDNA offers the best opportunity to find matches and work back to you genetic routes. They have also been very responsive to any and all questions we have posed. You can also easily upload and enter you data into other databases like Ysearch and Ybase. Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker-x.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen -------Original Message------- From: Reiley Kidd Date: 10/25/05 14:55:51 To: [email protected] Subject: [QUEEN] DNA projects This message is just for those of you on this list who are interested in and conversant with the DNA project on this list, and the process in general. Since Queen is a maternal line for me, I've not followed the discussions, and know very little, other than that it's been informative for several branches of the Queen family represented on this list. I am being recruited to participate in a DNA project now, on my paternal line, and I have just one question - there are apparently several different companies that provide this sort of genetic analysis as it pertains to genealogy. Are they all created equal? Which one does the Queen list use? And can anyone advise me about the company Family Tree DNA, which advertises itself as "America's first genealogy-driven DNA testing service"? This is the company chosen by the Kidd List organizers at Rootsweb. Thanks, Reiley Kidd Seattle ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== GenConnect at Rootsweb http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Queen QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005

This message is just for those of you on this list who are interested in and conversant with the DNA project on this list, and the process in general. Since Queen is a maternal line for me, I've not followed the discussions, and know very little, other than that it's been informative for several branches of the Queen family represented on this list. I am being recruited to participate in a DNA project now, on my paternal line, and I have just one question - there are apparently several different companies that provide this sort of genetic analysis as it pertains to genealogy. Are they all created equal? Which one does the Queen list use? And can anyone advise me about the company Family Tree DNA, which advertises itself as "America's first genealogy-driven DNA testing service"? This is the company chosen by the Kidd List organizers at Rootsweb. Thanks, Reiley Kidd Seattle

Hi, Roy, I need to tell you that the Queens have their own "blog" [Queen-List at Ancestry.com at Rootsweb] and because of its' success since about 1997 we rely heavily on the Q-L to introduce new informaton, answer questions, discuss, and generally keep up with what's going on in "Queen World". Now that you are number ---#42866--in our Queen DNA Program, come join us. Some of our listers get on the Queen Message Board, too, and our List "owner" Carol Queen occasionally moves Mess-Board messages from the Queen Message Board over to the Queen-List if the message/request is pertinent to what has been running through Queen-List. So we need you to be part of Queen-List 1) to get your messages directly to all our active members. You simply go to: [email protected] and type the single word: subscribe. 2) You can unsubscribe whenever you wish, and there are archives of all our past messages. Occasionally someone gets miffed and Carole Queen, the list "owner" has to step in and calm the disturbed ones down, but mainly we get along--even disagreeing on genealogy [known as "discussion"!]. There are a lot of real researchers in Queen-List who are a big help to those of us with questions. When frustration rose to the surface last summer on Queen-List I suggested using DNA testing to sort our families since there appeared to be some 5 or so different ancestor groups. [It did not mean we wouldn't work together.] It meant working more closely and trying to sort each name into the proper family. AND we are succeeding to do that. Glad you have joined us! [I've been out of town a month and am busy cleaning up my e-mails.] Katy

I received the following: "An exact match has been found between you and another person in the Family Tree DNA database. You and the other person match in all loci. If you share the same surname or variant, this means that there is a 99.9% likelihood that you share a common ancestor in a genealogical time frame. If you match another person without the same surname or variant, you still probably share a common ancestor, but this ancestor most likely lived in the time before surnames were adopted. The link below will take you to your Family Tree DNA Login. From there, click on the "Y-DNA Matches" tab to see a list of your matches. Newer matches will be at the top of the list. Additional emails will be sent to you as we find new matches between you and your "genetic cousins."" http://www.familytreedna.com/ftLogin.a Is this worth following up? I had the "short" DNA test run - is that enough to match someone with a 99.9% likeihood? -- Skip Queen Viruses? Spyware? Not me! I use Linux!! Linspire - The world's easiest desktop Linux!

Skip, If you get this message and it pertains only to the first 12 markers, I would discount the message unless the person shares the Queen surname or a variant. If you go look at the YDNA matches for the first 12 markers, you will probably notice that there are lots of perfect matches with people who do not share your surname. You will also notice that by the time the 25 or 37 markers matches are shown, almost all of the non-shared surname people have dropped by the wayside. I would only put stock in the 12 marker test matches for only people who share the same or similar surname, or in those cases where there is a suspicion that for other reasons, a person with a different surname should match - which is the case with the Chauncey Poor descendants. So, 12 markers are a pretty good indicator when you have a perfect or almost perfect match and you share the same or similar surname that you share a common ancestor in the genealogical time frame. Otherwise, I would discount it. At the 25 or 37 marker level, if that same individual shows up and has a different surname but is still a close match, then you have a strong basis for investigating the relationship that it implies. At this stage in the Queen DNA study, the 12 marker test is really just a screening and classifying device, and for the relationships we are trying to uncover, it really is inadequate to answer the questions we are after. I would encourage all participants to be at the 25 marker level, if not the 37 - depending on the circumstances and knowledge of relationships in your lineage. Of course, I always go and take a look at the YDNA match page to see who is showing up, there may be other clues there that are worth investigating. Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker-x.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen -------Original Message------- From: Skip Queen Date: 10/22/05 20:22:27 To: [email protected] Subject: [QUEEN] Question I received the following: "An exact match has been found between you and another person in the Family Tree DNA database. You and the other person match in all loci. If you share the same surname or variant, this means that there is a 99.9% likelihood that you share a common ancestor in a genealogical time frame. If you match another person without the same surname or variant, you still probably share a common ancestor, but this ancestor most likely lived in the time before surnames were adopted. The link below will take you to your Family Tree DNA Login. From there, click on the "Y-DNA Matches" tab to see a list of your matches. Newer matches will be at the top of the list. Additional emails will be sent to you as we find new matches between you and your "genetic cousins."" http://www.familytreedna.com/ftLogin.a Is this worth following up? I had the "short" DNA test run - is that enough to match someone with a 99.9% likeihood? -- Skip Queen Viruses? Spyware? Not me! I use Linux!! Linspire - The world's easiest desktop Linux! ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== Visit my homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 10/21/2005