Hi All, The following link is offering "free" access to the WWI draft registration records until 11/25/05 http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/ Carol

Hi Group 4 Queens, I have been doing a little sleuthing and have sent a message to the Quinn group administrator to see if I can get an update on their study. They have a closed group at this point and do not post results online, so I have to ask for updates. They are up to 12 members at this point. I was wondering if any of our Group 4 Queens had requested to join their group at this point and if so, have you learned anything that might of relevance to the rest of us Queens. Also, in sleuthing around, I see that there are at least 5 12 marker matches to Group 4 Queens that might be worth pursuing a contact: These involve 2 Quinns, 1 McCann, 1 McCain, and 1 McQueen. There is also a McQueen DNA study with one participant at this point. Based on his 12 marker results, he appears to be a perfect match to the Group 4 Queens. Has anyone made contact with the individual? Stirring the DNA pot today. Anyone had any contacts with others in the other DNA studies that might prove if interest to our group? Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker-x.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen

Thanks Vicki. Heritage Quest has him indexed as Nucen. I would never have found him without your help. With that handwriting, I don't see how anyone could get Queen out of it. Don Erickson, Colorado Springs CO USA [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicky Hutchings" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: RE: [QUEEN] Julius Queen in 1920 - was Queen and Jarrell > Don, > > I owe you an apology! This is located on the Mecklenburg Co, VA film - > must > have had the fat fingers that day...

Don, I owe you an apology! This is located on the Mecklenburg Co, VA film - must have had the fat fingers that day... -----Original Message----- From: Don Erickson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 9:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [QUEEN] Julius Queen in 1920 - was Queen and Jarrell Vicki Hutchings said she found Julius in 1920: 1920 Federal Census - Mecklenburg Co, NC - Chase, ED 51, Dwelling No. 108 J.A. Queen, age 47, born NC (parents born NC), widowed; Octavia (dtr), age 19, born NC (parents born NC); Lillie, age 14, born NC (parents born NC); Lucy, age 12, born NC (parents born NC), Jimmie, age 7, born VA (parents born NC); Mary (mother), age 69, born NC (parents born NC), widowed but I haven't been able to find them on the Heritage Quest films; maybe the indexing didn't get done right. Don Erickson, Colorado Springs CO USA [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: [QUEEN] Re: Queen and Jarrell > > Found another child for Julius A. and Amanda Crotts > Queen > He is Alonzo R. Queen born about 1910. > > Can anyone place Julius and Thomas F. Queen in 1920? ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== Visit my homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Thanks all, J. A. Queen I found him listed under J.A. Imeson on Ancestry.com. All of the births and names fit. I can see why they have him listed that way. Ancestry took allot of people to volunteer to do this transcribing and some couldn't read the film very easily. I use to be a subscriber to A.G.L.L. "American Genealogy Lending Library" The same films you get from them at your library. They were taking volunteers back then, 25 years ago. But believe me you got your money's worth. They sent me 3 book binders that was at least 3" thick and I would get periodic updated material to order and after I ordered 10 rolls of film ,which you got to keep for a month, and stayed up until 2am going throgh them evernight I ruined my eyes.You got everything that they had. And stuff that still isn't on the internet. --- Vicky Hutchings <[email protected]> wrote: > Don, > > I owe you an apology! This is located on the > Mecklenburg Co, VA film - must > have had the fat fingers that day... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Erickson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 9:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [QUEEN] Julius Queen in 1920 - was Queen > and Jarrell > > Vicki Hutchings said she found Julius in 1920: > > 1920 Federal Census - Mecklenburg Co, NC - Chase, ED > 51, Dwelling No. 108 > J.A. Queen, age 47, born NC (parents born NC), > widowed; > Octavia (dtr), age 19, born NC (parents born NC); > Lillie, age 14, born NC (parents born NC); > Lucy, age 12, born NC (parents born NC), > Jimmie, age 7, born VA (parents born NC); > Mary (mother), age 69, born NC (parents born NC), > widowed > > but I haven't been able to find them on the Heritage > Quest films; > maybe the indexing didn't get done right. > > Don Erickson, Colorado Springs CO USA > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:07 AM > Subject: [QUEEN] Re: Queen and Jarrell > > > > > > Found another child for Julius A. and Amanda > Crotts > > Queen > > He is Alonzo R. Queen born about 1910. > > > > Can anyone place Julius and Thomas F. Queen in > 1920? > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Visit my homepage: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about > your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Visit my homepage: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com

Vicki Hutchings said she found Julius in 1920: 1920 Federal Census - Mecklenburg Co, NC - Chase, ED 51, Dwelling No. 108 J.A. Queen, age 47, born NC (parents born NC), widowed; Octavia (dtr), age 19, born NC (parents born NC); Lillie, age 14, born NC (parents born NC); Lucy, age 12, born NC (parents born NC), Jimmie, age 7, born VA (parents born NC); Mary (mother), age 69, born NC (parents born NC), widowed but I haven't been able to find them on the Heritage Quest films; maybe the indexing didn't get done right. Don Erickson, Colorado Springs CO USA [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:07 AM Subject: [QUEEN] Re: Queen and Jarrell > > Found another child for Julius A. and Amanda Crotts > Queen > He is Alonzo R. Queen born about 1910. > > Can anyone place Julius and Thomas F. Queen in 1920?

Found another child for Julius A. and Amanda Crotts Queen He is Alonzo R. Queen born about 1910. Can anyone place Julius and Thomas F. Queen in 1920? I found in the 1930 census Guilford Co., High Point, NC. Thomas F. Queen 28 ([email protected]) mrd at age 22 Louis (?) " 28 wf " Sam T. " 5 son Claude J. " 4 son Below him is Julius Queen 57 ([email protected]) mrd at age 50 Maud 38 31 (mrd @ 7 years) Louis 5 dau? step daug hard to read John 18 born Virginia Can;t find them in Virginia but a death record for a Julius A. Queen born about 1872 with death date as 4 Sept 1954 North Carolina. Thomas Franklin Queen born 1901 died 24 Jan 1985 Smithfield Johnston Co., NC. Any of this fit for anyone on the same names in Guilford Co? Nancy Long Nancy <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:35:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: Nancy <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Jarrell-L] Queen and Jarrell > > For those interested in Julius A. Queen and Amanda > Crotts Queen. > > According to the new birth index for North > Carolina > Birth Index 1800-2000 on Ancestry.com the following > children were listed under this couple. > > Donie Alice Queen w- f- 4 May 1898 > Willie Octavia w-f- 23 Aug 1899 > Thomas Franklin Queen w-m- 15 Oct 1901 > (on Thomas they had the father’s full name Julius > Alexander Queen on some places they Amanda down as > Amanda D. or Amanda L.) > > Lillie Ann Queen w-f- 30 July 1904 > Lucy Bell Queen w-f- 4 Aug 1906 > > These children were all born in Cleveland County. > Could have been Caesar. > > WIFE: Mary JARRELL > > BORN: Apr 1850 NC > > MARR: 15 May 1869 Rutherford Co NC > > DIED: living 1880 Cleveland Co NC > > NOTE: both parents born in NC > > FATHER: > > MOTHER: > > SOURCES: Birth...data supplied by source note 2, > 30 > > May 2003 > > BPlace..data supplied by source note 3, 4 > > Jul 2003 > > Other...source note 1 > > > ====================================================================== > > HUSBAND: Alfred QUEEN > > BORN: circa 1852 NC > > DIED: living 1880 Cleveland Co NC > > FATHER: Charles QUEEN born circa 1805, NC; died > > before 1880. > > MOTHER: Martha ??? born circa 1810, NC; living > > 1880, enumerated with > > son Alfred, Cleveland Co NC. > > SOURCES: Birth...data supplied by source note 2, > 30 > > May 2003 > > BPlace..data supplied by source note 3, 4 > > Jul 2003 > > Death...data supplied by source note 2, > 30 > > May 2003 > > DPlace..data supplied by source note 2, > 30 > > May 2003 > > Father..data supplied by source note 2, > 30 > > May 2003 > > Mother..data supplied by source note 2, > 30 > > May 2003 > > Other...source note 1 > > > ====================================================================== > > 1 | NAME: Julius A. QUEEN > > F | BORN: May 1874 > > | MARR: circa 1895 > > | DIED: living 1910 Rutherford Co > NC > > | HUSB: Amanda CROTTS > > | BORN: 1876 DIED: > > living 1910 > > | NOTE: seven children; six living in 1910 > > | SRCE: Other...data supplied by source note 2, > > 30 May 2003 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > | Grandchild by Amanda CROTTS > > 1 | NAME: ??? QUEEN > > M | BORN: > > | MARR: > > | DIED: > > | NOTE: unknown - added for descendancy > chart > > purposes > > > ====================================================================== > > > > If you can add, subtract, delete, change any of > the > > above data please > > advise. If you have any questions about the data > > feel free to ask! > > > > If you are a descendant of this line you can > e-mail > > me, privately, > > at [email protected] and I will provide you > a > > descendants list > > and an ahnentafel chart for yourself. > > > > Wiley Alston Jarrell > > 15610 Edenvale > > Friendswood Texas 77546 > > [email protected] > > 281-482-3671 <>< > > _______________________________________________ > > Jarrell-L mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/jarrell-l > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Jarrell-L mailing list > [email protected] > http://solaris.cc.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/jarrell-l > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com

I have cut and pasted from the citations you note and notice that an Edward Towrey witnessed. Betty Towery of our list may know about this. Notation follows: 33(1):34 p. 445, 16 July 1810, Moses Queen of Burke Co., NC to Michael Hufstetler of RCNC, 130 acres on Coxes Creek joining William Wilson and Francis, granted 26 November 1796, surveyed 13 Oct. 1796 to William L. Queen Senr., who conveyed it to Moses Queen on 18 April 1809. Wit. Danl. Reinhardt, Edward Towrey. #70, 12 May 1812. I ordered and received yesterday two beautiful books by Elizabeth Towery about Golden Valley. Betty, did someone from your husband's family, an Edward Towrey witness this deed? Phyllis Queen Mattek Reiley Kidd <[email protected]> wrote: One of the things that got the Queen List off to a tremendous start about 6 years ago was a virtual flood of information pertaining to the Queen family of NC onto this list. People scoured their files for all citations mentioning a Queen, and posted it onto this list. In recent times, this flood has slowed to a trickle. In part, this may be because new records are becoming more scarce. But I suspect that more information is out there, waiting to be posted, where it will be more likely to find its way into the hands of someone who needs it, OR to some of the super-sleuths on this List who can make sense of it, put it with other pieces of the puzzle, and make a breakthrough that will help others. In that light and with that hope, here's my gleanings from the Bulletin of the Genealogical Society of Old Tryon County (BGSOTC for short), volume 33. The 4th issue arrived today, with its terrific index, and the 4 issues are LOADED with citations of Queen material (along with many related families - Gene and others, if you don't subscribe to this quarterly, you really should! I'll send you my copies!) The records they are publishing direct one to the appropriate record. I'm designating the volume, issue, and page of BGSOTC like this - 33(4):22 is Volume 33, issue 4, page 22. RUTHERFORD COUNTY N.C. DEED BOOK 26 33(1):29 p. 386, 6 July 1808, James Vinzant of NC to John Queen of the same county and state, 10 dollars, 2 acres on the south side of Little Broad River, part of a grant to Ben Shaw and conveyed from Robert Smith to James Vinzant by deed. Wit. Robt. H. Taylor, Benjamin Earwood. #11, 25 February 1811. 33(1):30 p. 392 14 January 1811, William Queen of Rutherford Co to James Queen of the same, 400 dollars, negro girl Milia aged 30 years. Wit. Jesse Benton, Jas. Mitchell, Littleton Sims. #17, 26 Feb. 1811. 33(1):30 p.394, 6Oct. 1810, Joshua Fraser of Rutherford County to William L. Queen Senr., attorney irrevocable in my name to sue and cause to be arrested and brought to trial John Smith Senr. and Robert Smith or either of them, to recover damages or loss sustained by a fraudulent sale made by the sd. John or Robert Smith of a tract on First Little Broad River above Robert Jones's line and joining the same on the northeast. Wit. Andr. Taylor, Richard Sparks. #19, 26 Feb. 1811. 33(1):31 P. 406, 6 April 1809, William L. Queen of RCNC to Catharine Hunt of the same, 130 dollars, 105 acres on the west side of Ward's Creek joining Moses Queen, the waggon road that leads from Francis to John Smith's, and the pounding mill branch, being part of a grant to William Sheppard. Wit. Robert H. Taylor, Robert Wells. #30, 12 March 1811. 33(1):34 p. 445, 16 July 1810, Moses Queen of Burke Co., NC to Michael Hufstetler of RCNC, 130 acres on Coxes Creek joining William Wilson and Francis, granted 26 November 1796, surveyed 13 Oct. 1796 to William L. Queen Senr., who conveyed it to Moses Queen on 18 April 1809. Wit. Danl. Reinhardt, Edward Towrey. #70, 12 May 1812. 33(1):34 p. 446, 18 April 1809, William L. Queen Senr. of RCNC to Moses Queen of the same, 200 dollars, 100 acres on Coxes Creek joining John Wilson and Francis, granted to Wm. L. Queen Senr. 26 November 1796, surveyed 13 October 1796. Wit. Robert H. Taylor, Joseph Taylor. #71, 12 May 1811. 33(2):53 p. 497, 27 February 1807, William Tilghman, Peter Stephen Duponceau, Esqrs., Abraham Kintzing Junior, George Warrel and Tench Coxe by Peter Fisher their attorney in fact, to Wm. L. Queen Junr. of RCNC, 50 dollars, 94 acres on Sally's fork of the Little Broad River, part of a grant to James Greenlee and Company, #1027. Wit. Andrew Taylor, Jno. Hamby, Robt. Jones. #124, 12 Sept. 1811. 33(3):137 p. 659, 18 April 1811, William L. Queen Sr. of RCNC to Edward Towrey of the same, $32 paid to Samuel Queen and $6 paid to himself, 127 acres on Wards Creek joining Michael Hufsetlers and Polly Hunt, being part of a grant to Robert Collingwood. Wit. A. Whiteside, Mareday Queen. #274, 21 August 1812. 33(3):138 P. 686, 27 February 1811 William L. Queen and James Queen to Adam Mooney, all of RCNC, $200, 43 acres on the main fork of First Little Broad River joining said Mooney, widow Hogue and Christopher Mooney, being part of grants to Benj. Shaw, Beaty and Armstrong, and Wm. Jones. Wit. Jacob Holifield, Christy Moony. #297, 3 October 1812. p. 687, 11 November 1811, John Queen of RCNC to Adam Mooney of the same, $10, 2 acres on the south side of Little Broad River, part of a grant to Benj. Shaw and from Jas. Vanzant to John Queen. Wit. Robert H. Taylor, Abraham Crow. #298, 31 Oct. 1812 RUTHERFORD COUNTY NC ESTATES, ORPHANS AND OTHERS October 1818 33(2):62 John Lewis charged with bastardy on the body of Mary Newton came into open court and gave bond to indemnify the county in the sum of 250 pounds, with John Crago and Merrida QUEEN. 33(3):105 October 1822 On motion the court appointed Margaret Queen administratrix on all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of William L. Queen dec'd, who entered into bond for her administration in the sum of two hundred dollars with Jesse Hogue and was duly sworn. 33(3):106 On motion the court appointed Margaret Queen administratrix on all and singular the goods and chattels rights and credits of Mary Orr in place of her late husband, who was executor of the last will of said Mary Orr, dec'd., who entered into the proper bond in the sum of $200 with Jesse Hogue and was duly sworn and prayed letters & orders of sale. Letters of admr., copies of the inventories, orders of sale and a copy of the will issued in both cases. Margt. Queen administratrix on the estate of William L. Queen dec'd., returned an inventory of the said estate unto the court. Margt. Queen administratrix on the estate of Mary Orr dec'd., returned an inventory of the said estate unto the court. The last will and testament of Mary Orr was proved in open court by James McNeely and Margaret Queen widow and relict of William L. Queen, dec'd. who was the executor named therein was appointed thereon administratrix. 33(3):107 November Court 1822 On motion and petition filed the court appointed Daniel Melton, Littleton Sims and Abram Crow Esqr. a committee to lay off and set apart to Margrt. Queen widow of William L. Queen dec'd, one years allowance to herself & seven children out of estate of said dec'd. 33(3):108 The committee appointed to settle and allow to Margaret Queen one years allowance out of the estate of William L. Queen dec'd report the kind and amount of said allowance to this court. 33(3):109 April Court 1823 Margaret Queen administratrix of William L. Queen dec'd. returned an account of sale of said dec'd. estate to this court. 33(3):112 October 1823 Court The court made a settlement of the estate of William L. Queen dec'd with Margaret Queen administratrix which is certified by the chairman of the court. 33(3):120 September 1824 Court On motion the court granted administration on all and singular the goods and chattels rights and credits of John Jones (blind) dec'd which were not divided by his last will to John Jones Junr. who gave bond in 250 pounds, with James Queen for security and was then duly sworn and prayed order of sale. Issued. 33(3):125 April 1825 Court On motion the court granted administration pendent lite on the said estate to John Jones, who entered into bond in 600 pounds with James Queen for security....... 33(3):126 Administration on John Jones (blind) dec'd....Edward Jones permitted to give additional security and was then reinstated as administrator. Bond in 400 pounds with John Queen for security given. 33(3):127 July 1825 Court On motion it was ordered by the court that the sheriff summons a jury of twelve good and lawful men of the county to enquire upon their oaths whether Henson Queen be of proper and sane mind or whether he be a lunatic or not. Jury to investigate the case of Henson Queen do find and say that he is a lunatic and not in his proper mind. 33(4):153 April Court 1826 A paper purporting to be the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd was presented in open court for probate. David Glass and Francis Glass subscribing witnesses thereto came into court and being sworn, proved the same in the usual form when it was ordered to be recorded. John Queen the executor named in the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd came into open court and was duly qualified as such, and took upon himself the burthen thereof. And prayed an order to sell the perishable estate of his testator. Granted. Letters testy. order sale and copy all issued. 33(4):154 July 1826 Court John Queen excr. of Henson Queen dec'd returned an account of sales of said estate to this court. 33(4):158 January 1827 Court A paper writing purporting to be the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd was presented in open court for probate by John Hicks Senr. John Queen the qualified executor of a writing of similar import and prior date heretofore proved and recorded in this court being present in court objected to the probate and record of the writing presented, that it is not the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd. Whereupon on motion the court ordered that an issue divisant vel non be made up and submitted to a jury. 33(4):159 On motion the court ordered that the sheriff summon a jury to inquire by the best means in their power into the state of mind of John Hicks senr. whether he be of sound mind and understanding, and report their inquisition or verdict attested by the sheriff into court immediately. Thomas Upton and Martin Green in right of their wives vs. John Queen, qualified excr. of Henson Queen dec'd. On affidavit filed and motion made, it was ordered by the court that the probate of the writing purporting to be the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd under which John Queen qualified and acts as executor be set aside, and that an issue divisant vel non be made and submitted to a jury. On motion it was ordered by the court that letters of administration pendente lite on all the goods, chattels rights and credits of Henson Queen dec'd issue to George Walton and John Logan, who came into court and entered into bond in $2000 payable to the Governor, with David Miller, George Cabiness and Dunlap Scott security and were duly sworn - and prayed order of sale, which was granted. 33(4):160 Moses Brooks entered into bond payable to Hu Quin chairman & etc. in 250 pounds, to indemnify the county against the expense of raising a bastard child begotten by Meredy Queen on Peggy Queen single woman. 33(4):166 January 1828 Court Thomas Upton & Sally Green vs. John Queen excr. of Henson Queen dec'd. Will caveated. Devisant vel non. This suit is dismissed at the cost of the plaintiffs. George Walton and John Logan who had been appointed adm. pendente lite on the estate of Henson Queen dec'd. came into court on the dismissal of the suit above stated, and surrendered their letters and rights of administration and prayed that commissioners be appointed to settle with them previous to their surrender of the estate in their hands, whereupon the court appointed Solomon A. Ross, Joseph Taylor and Robert K. Wilson Esquires to perform that service and report same to the court. 33(4):154 The court appointed John Queen administrator on all and singular the goods and chattels rights and credits of Henson Queen dec'd who entered into bond in $2500 payable to the Governor with Francis Morrison and John Morrison security, and was then duly sworn in open court and prayed order of sale of the whole estate, including the negroes, which was granted by the court. RUTHERFORD COUNTY NC ROAD DOCKET, 1814 33(2):76 The court appointed Henry Wortman overseer of the public road in the room and place of William Steward, Edward Towery, Wm. Downs, Michl. Wortman, Thos. Neely, Thos. Brackett, Henry Wortman, Jas. McNeely, Martin Seesk, Jesse Hills, Jno. McNeely, Alex. Duckworth, Robt. Going, Aaron, Devany, Geo. McGlamery Senr., Wm. Silbey, Ephm. Dunlap, Elias Stafford, Geo. McGlammery, George QUEEN, and Jiles Carter. Some good soap opera drama here, for sure! Reiley Kidd Seattle ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== Visit my homepage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ QUEEN YDNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True http://www.ysearch.org/ ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Reiley, Thanks for the new to me data. I am going to have to play with this some. You are right about one thing, I have run out of new data. I keep hoping that some of the new folks will share some of the info they have on their families. I keep thinking that surely there are more documents available that we haven't even seen yet and your data is proof that there is. Anyone else with info that they might want to share, it's always welcome on the list. Particularly if you have death certificates, birth certs, or court records etc. These are documents that not everyone has access to and they sometimes contain new info on those Queen folks. Carol

It's good to hear from you Reilly, I have many back issues of the BGSOTC, but most of these entries are new to me. I always thought that Henson was bit Looney ! Thanks for the input. Don Queen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reiley Kidd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: [QUEEN] Queen citations in BGSOTC > One of the things that got the Queen List off to a tremendous start about > 6 years ago was a virtual flood of information pertaining to the Queen > family of NC onto this list. People scoured their files for all citations > mentioning a Queen, and posted it onto this list. > In recent times, this flood has slowed to a trickle. In part, this may be > because new records are becoming more scarce. But I suspect that more > information is out there, waiting to be posted, where it will be more > likely to find its way into the hands of someone who needs it, OR to some > of the super-sleuths on this List who can make sense of it, put it with > other pieces of the puzzle, and make a breakthrough that will help others. > In that light and with that hope, here's my gleanings from the Bulletin of > the Genealogical Society of Old Tryon County (BGSOTC for short), volume > 33. The 4th issue arrived today, with its terrific index, and the 4 issues > are LOADED with citations of Queen material (along with many related > families - Gene and others, if you don't subscribe to this quarterly, you > really should! I'll send you my copies!) > The records they are publishing direct one to the appropriate record. I'm > designating the volume, issue, and page of BGSOTC like this - > 33(4):22 is Volume 33, issue 4, page 22. > > RUTHERFORD COUNTY N.C. DEED BOOK 26 > > 33(1):29 p. 386, 6 July 1808, James Vinzant of NC to John Queen of the > same county and state, 10 dollars, 2 acres on the south side of Little > Broad River, part of a grant to Ben Shaw and conveyed from Robert Smith to > James Vinzant by deed. Wit. Robt. H. Taylor, Benjamin Earwood. #11, 25 > February 1811. > 33(1):30 p. 392 14 January 1811, William Queen of Rutherford Co to James > Queen of the same, 400 dollars, negro girl Milia aged 30 years. Wit. > Jesse Benton, Jas. Mitchell, Littleton Sims. #17, 26 Feb. 1811. > 33(1):30 p.394, 6Oct. 1810, Joshua Fraser of Rutherford County to William > L. Queen Senr., attorney irrevocable in my name to sue and cause to be > arrested and brought to trial John Smith Senr. and Robert Smith or either > of them, to recover damages or loss sustained by a fraudulent sale made by > the sd. John or Robert Smith of a tract on First Little Broad River above > Robert Jones's line and joining the same on the northeast. Wit. Andr. > Taylor, Richard Sparks. #19, 26 Feb. 1811. > 33(1):31 P. 406, 6 April 1809, William L. Queen of RCNC to Catharine Hunt > of the same, 130 dollars, 105 acres on the west side of Ward's Creek > joining Moses Queen, the waggon road that leads from Francis to John > Smith's, and the pounding mill branch, being part of a grant to William > Sheppard. Wit. Robert H. Taylor, Robert Wells. #30, 12 March 1811. > 33(1):34 p. 445, 16 July 1810, Moses Queen of Burke Co., NC to Michael > Hufstetler of RCNC, 130 acres on Coxes Creek joining William Wilson and > Francis, granted 26 November 1796, surveyed 13 Oct. 1796 to William L. > Queen Senr., who conveyed it to Moses Queen on 18 April 1809. Wit. Danl. > Reinhardt, Edward Towrey. #70, 12 May 1812. > 33(1):34 p. 446, 18 April 1809, William L. Queen Senr. of RCNC to Moses > Queen of the same, 200 dollars, 100 acres on Coxes Creek joining John > Wilson and Francis, granted to Wm. L. Queen Senr. 26 November 1796, > surveyed 13 October 1796. Wit. Robert H. Taylor, Joseph Taylor. #71, 12 > May 1811. > 33(2):53 p. 497, 27 February 1807, William Tilghman, Peter Stephen > Duponceau, Esqrs., Abraham Kintzing Junior, George Warrel and Tench Coxe > by Peter Fisher their attorney in fact, to Wm. L. Queen Junr. of RCNC, 50 > dollars, 94 acres on Sally's fork of the Little Broad River, part of a > grant to James Greenlee and Company, #1027. Wit. Andrew Taylor, Jno. > Hamby, Robt. Jones. #124, 12 Sept. 1811. > 33(3):137 p. 659, 18 April 1811, William L. Queen Sr. of RCNC to Edward > Towrey of the same, $32 paid to Samuel Queen and $6 paid to himself, 127 > acres on Wards Creek joining Michael Hufsetlers and Polly Hunt, being part > of a grant to Robert Collingwood. Wit. A. Whiteside, Mareday Queen. > #274, 21 August 1812. > 33(3):138 P. 686, 27 February 1811 William L. Queen and James Queen to > Adam Mooney, all of RCNC, $200, 43 acres on the main fork of First Little > Broad River joining said Mooney, widow Hogue and Christopher Mooney, being > part of grants to Benj. Shaw, Beaty and Armstrong, and Wm. Jones. Wit. > Jacob Holifield, Christy Moony. #297, 3 October 1812. > p. 687, 11 November 1811, John Queen of RCNC to Adam Mooney of the same, > $10, 2 acres on the south side of Little Broad River, part of a grant to > Benj. Shaw and from Jas. Vanzant to John Queen. Wit. Robert H. Taylor, > Abraham Crow. #298, 31 Oct. 1812 > > RUTHERFORD COUNTY NC ESTATES, ORPHANS AND OTHERS > October 1818 > 33(2):62 John Lewis charged with bastardy on the body of Mary Newton came > into open court and gave bond to indemnify the county in the sum of 250 > pounds, with John Crago and Merrida QUEEN. > > 33(3):105 October 1822 > On motion the court appointed Margaret Queen administratrix on all and > singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of William L. Queen > dec'd, who entered into bond for her administration in the sum of two > hundred dollars with Jesse Hogue and was duly sworn. > 33(3):106 On motion the court appointed Margaret Queen administratrix on > all and singular the goods and chattels rights and credits of Mary Orr in > place of her late husband, who was executor of the last will of said Mary > Orr, dec'd., who entered into the proper bond in the sum of $200 with > Jesse Hogue and was duly sworn and prayed letters & orders of sale. > Letters of admr., copies of the inventories, orders of sale and a copy of > the will issued in both cases. > Margt. Queen administratrix on the estate of William L. Queen dec'd., > returned an inventory of the said estate unto the court. > Margt. Queen administratrix on the estate of Mary Orr dec'd., returned an > inventory of the said estate unto the court. > The last will and testament of Mary Orr was proved in open court by James > McNeely and Margaret Queen widow and relict of William L. Queen, dec'd. > who was the executor named therein was appointed thereon administratrix. > 33(3):107 November Court 1822 > On motion and petition filed the court appointed Daniel Melton, Littleton > Sims and Abram Crow Esqr. a committee to lay off and set apart to Margrt. > Queen widow of William L. Queen dec'd, one years allowance to herself & > seven children out of estate of said dec'd. > 33(3):108 The committee appointed to settle and allow to Margaret Queen > one years allowance out of the estate of William L. Queen dec'd report the > kind and amount of said allowance to this court. > 33(3):109 April Court 1823 > Margaret Queen administratrix of William L. Queen dec'd. returned an > account of sale of said dec'd. estate to this court. > 33(3):112 October 1823 Court > The court made a settlement of the estate of William L. Queen dec'd with > Margaret Queen administratrix which is certified by the chairman of the > court. > 33(3):120 September 1824 Court > On motion the court granted administration on all and singular the goods > and chattels rights and credits of John Jones (blind) dec'd which were not > divided by his last will to John Jones Junr. who gave bond in 250 pounds, > with James Queen for security and was then duly sworn and prayed order of > sale. Issued. > 33(3):125 April 1825 Court > On motion the court granted administration pendent lite on the said estate > to John Jones, who entered into bond in 600 pounds with James Queen for > security....... > 33(3):126 Administration on John Jones (blind) dec'd....Edward Jones > permitted to give additional security and was then reinstated as > administrator. Bond in 400 pounds with John Queen for security given. > > 33(3):127 July 1825 Court > On motion it was ordered by the court that the sheriff summons a jury of > twelve good and lawful men of the county to enquire upon their oaths > whether Henson Queen be of proper and sane mind or whether he be a lunatic > or not. > Jury to investigate the case of Henson Queen do find and say that he is a > lunatic and not in his proper mind. > > 33(4):153 April Court 1826 > A paper purporting to be the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd > was presented in open court for probate. David Glass and Francis Glass > subscribing witnesses thereto came into court and being sworn, proved the > same in the usual form when it was ordered to be recorded. > John Queen the executor named in the last will and testament of Henson > Queen dec'd came into open court and was duly qualified as such, and took > upon himself the burthen thereof. And prayed an order to sell the > perishable estate of his testator. Granted. Letters testy. order sale > and copy all issued. > > 33(4):154 July 1826 Court > John Queen excr. of Henson Queen dec'd returned an account of sales of > said estate to this court. > > 33(4):158 January 1827 Court > A paper writing purporting to be the last will and testament of Henson > Queen dec'd was presented in open court for probate by John Hicks Senr. > John Queen the qualified executor of a writing of similar import and prior > date heretofore proved and recorded in this court being present in court > objected to the probate and record of the writing presented, that it is > not the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd. Whereupon on > motion the court ordered that an issue divisant vel non be made up and > submitted to a jury. > 33(4):159 On motion the court ordered that the sheriff summon a jury to > inquire by the best means in their power into the state of mind of John > Hicks senr. whether he be of sound mind and understanding, and report > their inquisition or verdict attested by the sheriff into court > immediately. > Thomas Upton and Martin Green in right of their wives vs. John Queen, > qualified excr. of Henson Queen dec'd. On affidavit filed and motion > made, it was ordered by the court that the probate of the writing > purporting to be the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd under > which John Queen qualified and acts as executor be set aside, and that an > issue divisant vel non be made and submitted to a jury. > On motion it was ordered by the court that letters of administration > pendente lite on all the goods, chattels rights and credits of Henson > Queen dec'd issue to George Walton and John Logan, who came into court and > entered into bond in $2000 payable to the Governor, with David Miller, > George Cabiness and Dunlap Scott security and were duly sworn - and prayed > order of sale, which was granted. > 33(4):160 Moses Brooks entered into bond payable to Hu Quin chairman & > etc. in 250 pounds, to indemnify the county against the expense of raising > a bastard child begotten by Meredy Queen on Peggy Queen single woman. > > 33(4):166 January 1828 Court > Thomas Upton & Sally Green vs. John Queen excr. of Henson Queen dec'd. > Will caveated. Devisant vel non. This suit is dismissed at the cost of > the plaintiffs. George Walton and John Logan who had been appointed adm. > pendente lite on the estate of Henson Queen dec'd. came into court on the > dismissal of the suit above stated, and surrendered their letters and > rights of administration and prayed that commissioners be appointed to > settle with them previous to their surrender of the estate in their hands, > whereupon the court appointed Solomon A. Ross, Joseph Taylor and Robert K. > Wilson Esquires to perform that service and report same to the court. > 33(4):154 > The court appointed John Queen administrator on all and singular the goods > and chattels rights and credits of Henson Queen dec'd who entered into > bond in $2500 payable to the Governor with Francis Morrison and John > Morrison security, and was then duly sworn in open court and prayed order > of sale of the whole estate, including the negroes, which was granted by > the court. > > RUTHERFORD COUNTY NC ROAD DOCKET, 1814 > 33(2):76 The court appointed Henry Wortman overseer of the public road in > the room and place of William Steward, Edward Towery, Wm. Downs, Michl. > Wortman, Thos. Neely, Thos. Brackett, Henry Wortman, Jas. McNeely, Martin > Seesk, Jesse Hills, Jno. McNeely, Alex. Duckworth, Robt. Going, Aaron, > Devany, Geo. McGlamery Senr., Wm. Silbey, Ephm. Dunlap, Elias Stafford, > Geo. McGlammery, George QUEEN, and Jiles Carter. > > Some good soap opera drama here, for sure! > Reiley Kidd > Seattle > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > Visit my homepage: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: 11/18/2005 >

One of the things that got the Queen List off to a tremendous start about 6 years ago was a virtual flood of information pertaining to the Queen family of NC onto this list. People scoured their files for all citations mentioning a Queen, and posted it onto this list. In recent times, this flood has slowed to a trickle. In part, this may be because new records are becoming more scarce. But I suspect that more information is out there, waiting to be posted, where it will be more likely to find its way into the hands of someone who needs it, OR to some of the super-sleuths on this List who can make sense of it, put it with other pieces of the puzzle, and make a breakthrough that will help others. In that light and with that hope, here's my gleanings from the Bulletin of the Genealogical Society of Old Tryon County (BGSOTC for short), volume 33. The 4th issue arrived today, with its terrific index, and the 4 issues are LOADED with citations of Queen material (along with many related families - Gene and others, if you don't subscribe to this quarterly, you really should! I'll send you my copies!) The records they are publishing direct one to the appropriate record. I'm designating the volume, issue, and page of BGSOTC like this - 33(4):22 is Volume 33, issue 4, page 22. RUTHERFORD COUNTY N.C. DEED BOOK 26 33(1):29 p. 386, 6 July 1808, James Vinzant of NC to John Queen of the same county and state, 10 dollars, 2 acres on the south side of Little Broad River, part of a grant to Ben Shaw and conveyed from Robert Smith to James Vinzant by deed. Wit. Robt. H. Taylor, Benjamin Earwood. #11, 25 February 1811. 33(1):30 p. 392 14 January 1811, William Queen of Rutherford Co to James Queen of the same, 400 dollars, negro girl Milia aged 30 years. Wit. Jesse Benton, Jas. Mitchell, Littleton Sims. #17, 26 Feb. 1811. 33(1):30 p.394, 6Oct. 1810, Joshua Fraser of Rutherford County to William L. Queen Senr., attorney irrevocable in my name to sue and cause to be arrested and brought to trial John Smith Senr. and Robert Smith or either of them, to recover damages or loss sustained by a fraudulent sale made by the sd. John or Robert Smith of a tract on First Little Broad River above Robert Jones's line and joining the same on the northeast. Wit. Andr. Taylor, Richard Sparks. #19, 26 Feb. 1811. 33(1):31 P. 406, 6 April 1809, William L. Queen of RCNC to Catharine Hunt of the same, 130 dollars, 105 acres on the west side of Ward's Creek joining Moses Queen, the waggon road that leads from Francis to John Smith's, and the pounding mill branch, being part of a grant to William Sheppard. Wit. Robert H. Taylor, Robert Wells. #30, 12 March 1811. 33(1):34 p. 445, 16 July 1810, Moses Queen of Burke Co., NC to Michael Hufstetler of RCNC, 130 acres on Coxes Creek joining William Wilson and Francis, granted 26 November 1796, surveyed 13 Oct. 1796 to William L. Queen Senr., who conveyed it to Moses Queen on 18 April 1809. Wit. Danl. Reinhardt, Edward Towrey. #70, 12 May 1812. 33(1):34 p. 446, 18 April 1809, William L. Queen Senr. of RCNC to Moses Queen of the same, 200 dollars, 100 acres on Coxes Creek joining John Wilson and Francis, granted to Wm. L. Queen Senr. 26 November 1796, surveyed 13 October 1796. Wit. Robert H. Taylor, Joseph Taylor. #71, 12 May 1811. 33(2):53 p. 497, 27 February 1807, William Tilghman, Peter Stephen Duponceau, Esqrs., Abraham Kintzing Junior, George Warrel and Tench Coxe by Peter Fisher their attorney in fact, to Wm. L. Queen Junr. of RCNC, 50 dollars, 94 acres on Sally's fork of the Little Broad River, part of a grant to James Greenlee and Company, #1027. Wit. Andrew Taylor, Jno. Hamby, Robt. Jones. #124, 12 Sept. 1811. 33(3):137 p. 659, 18 April 1811, William L. Queen Sr. of RCNC to Edward Towrey of the same, $32 paid to Samuel Queen and $6 paid to himself, 127 acres on Wards Creek joining Michael Hufsetlers and Polly Hunt, being part of a grant to Robert Collingwood. Wit. A. Whiteside, Mareday Queen. #274, 21 August 1812. 33(3):138 P. 686, 27 February 1811 William L. Queen and James Queen to Adam Mooney, all of RCNC, $200, 43 acres on the main fork of First Little Broad River joining said Mooney, widow Hogue and Christopher Mooney, being part of grants to Benj. Shaw, Beaty and Armstrong, and Wm. Jones. Wit. Jacob Holifield, Christy Moony. #297, 3 October 1812. p. 687, 11 November 1811, John Queen of RCNC to Adam Mooney of the same, $10, 2 acres on the south side of Little Broad River, part of a grant to Benj. Shaw and from Jas. Vanzant to John Queen. Wit. Robert H. Taylor, Abraham Crow. #298, 31 Oct. 1812 RUTHERFORD COUNTY NC ESTATES, ORPHANS AND OTHERS October 1818 33(2):62 John Lewis charged with bastardy on the body of Mary Newton came into open court and gave bond to indemnify the county in the sum of 250 pounds, with John Crago and Merrida QUEEN. 33(3):105 October 1822 On motion the court appointed Margaret Queen administratrix on all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of William L. Queen dec'd, who entered into bond for her administration in the sum of two hundred dollars with Jesse Hogue and was duly sworn. 33(3):106 On motion the court appointed Margaret Queen administratrix on all and singular the goods and chattels rights and credits of Mary Orr in place of her late husband, who was executor of the last will of said Mary Orr, dec'd., who entered into the proper bond in the sum of $200 with Jesse Hogue and was duly sworn and prayed letters & orders of sale. Letters of admr., copies of the inventories, orders of sale and a copy of the will issued in both cases. Margt. Queen administratrix on the estate of William L. Queen dec'd., returned an inventory of the said estate unto the court. Margt. Queen administratrix on the estate of Mary Orr dec'd., returned an inventory of the said estate unto the court. The last will and testament of Mary Orr was proved in open court by James McNeely and Margaret Queen widow and relict of William L. Queen, dec'd. who was the executor named therein was appointed thereon administratrix. 33(3):107 November Court 1822 On motion and petition filed the court appointed Daniel Melton, Littleton Sims and Abram Crow Esqr. a committee to lay off and set apart to Margrt. Queen widow of William L. Queen dec'd, one years allowance to herself & seven children out of estate of said dec'd. 33(3):108 The committee appointed to settle and allow to Margaret Queen one years allowance out of the estate of William L. Queen dec'd report the kind and amount of said allowance to this court. 33(3):109 April Court 1823 Margaret Queen administratrix of William L. Queen dec'd. returned an account of sale of said dec'd. estate to this court. 33(3):112 October 1823 Court The court made a settlement of the estate of William L. Queen dec'd with Margaret Queen administratrix which is certified by the chairman of the court. 33(3):120 September 1824 Court On motion the court granted administration on all and singular the goods and chattels rights and credits of John Jones (blind) dec'd which were not divided by his last will to John Jones Junr. who gave bond in 250 pounds, with James Queen for security and was then duly sworn and prayed order of sale. Issued. 33(3):125 April 1825 Court On motion the court granted administration pendent lite on the said estate to John Jones, who entered into bond in 600 pounds with James Queen for security....... 33(3):126 Administration on John Jones (blind) dec'd....Edward Jones permitted to give additional security and was then reinstated as administrator. Bond in 400 pounds with John Queen for security given. 33(3):127 July 1825 Court On motion it was ordered by the court that the sheriff summons a jury of twelve good and lawful men of the county to enquire upon their oaths whether Henson Queen be of proper and sane mind or whether he be a lunatic or not. Jury to investigate the case of Henson Queen do find and say that he is a lunatic and not in his proper mind. 33(4):153 April Court 1826 A paper purporting to be the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd was presented in open court for probate. David Glass and Francis Glass subscribing witnesses thereto came into court and being sworn, proved the same in the usual form when it was ordered to be recorded. John Queen the executor named in the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd came into open court and was duly qualified as such, and took upon himself the burthen thereof. And prayed an order to sell the perishable estate of his testator. Granted. Letters testy. order sale and copy all issued. 33(4):154 July 1826 Court John Queen excr. of Henson Queen dec'd returned an account of sales of said estate to this court. 33(4):158 January 1827 Court A paper writing purporting to be the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd was presented in open court for probate by John Hicks Senr. John Queen the qualified executor of a writing of similar import and prior date heretofore proved and recorded in this court being present in court objected to the probate and record of the writing presented, that it is not the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd. Whereupon on motion the court ordered that an issue divisant vel non be made up and submitted to a jury. 33(4):159 On motion the court ordered that the sheriff summon a jury to inquire by the best means in their power into the state of mind of John Hicks senr. whether he be of sound mind and understanding, and report their inquisition or verdict attested by the sheriff into court immediately. Thomas Upton and Martin Green in right of their wives vs. John Queen, qualified excr. of Henson Queen dec'd. On affidavit filed and motion made, it was ordered by the court that the probate of the writing purporting to be the last will and testament of Henson Queen dec'd under which John Queen qualified and acts as executor be set aside, and that an issue divisant vel non be made and submitted to a jury. On motion it was ordered by the court that letters of administration pendente lite on all the goods, chattels rights and credits of Henson Queen dec'd issue to George Walton and John Logan, who came into court and entered into bond in $2000 payable to the Governor, with David Miller, George Cabiness and Dunlap Scott security and were duly sworn - and prayed order of sale, which was granted. 33(4):160 Moses Brooks entered into bond payable to Hu Quin chairman & etc. in 250 pounds, to indemnify the county against the expense of raising a bastard child begotten by Meredy Queen on Peggy Queen single woman. 33(4):166 January 1828 Court Thomas Upton & Sally Green vs. John Queen excr. of Henson Queen dec'd. Will caveated. Devisant vel non. This suit is dismissed at the cost of the plaintiffs. George Walton and John Logan who had been appointed adm. pendente lite on the estate of Henson Queen dec'd. came into court on the dismissal of the suit above stated, and surrendered their letters and rights of administration and prayed that commissioners be appointed to settle with them previous to their surrender of the estate in their hands, whereupon the court appointed Solomon A. Ross, Joseph Taylor and Robert K. Wilson Esquires to perform that service and report same to the court. 33(4):154 The court appointed John Queen administrator on all and singular the goods and chattels rights and credits of Henson Queen dec'd who entered into bond in $2500 payable to the Governor with Francis Morrison and John Morrison security, and was then duly sworn in open court and prayed order of sale of the whole estate, including the negroes, which was granted by the court. RUTHERFORD COUNTY NC ROAD DOCKET, 1814 33(2):76 The court appointed Henry Wortman overseer of the public road in the room and place of William Steward, Edward Towery, Wm. Downs, Michl. Wortman, Thos. Neely, Thos. Brackett, Henry Wortman, Jas. McNeely, Martin Seesk, Jesse Hills, Jno. McNeely, Alex. Duckworth, Robt. Going, Aaron, Devany, Geo. McGlamery Senr., Wm. Silbey, Ephm. Dunlap, Elias Stafford, Geo. McGlammery, George QUEEN, and Jiles Carter. Some good soap opera drama here, for sure! Reiley Kidd Seattle

If you use Ancestry.com and are looking at the 1840 Rutherford County census when you do a search (for any name) also look at any one that comes up on Richmond County North Carolina for 1840. I found my relatives in that county. It is Rutheford Co. you can clearly see Rutherford on some of the pages and "erford" on the backs of but is link to Richmond County for some reason. Now I have to go back to my Mathis family in Richmond Co. to see if they are correct. Nancy __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3YBBAEB/323.1.1.1 Message Board Post: To The Carver,s Daughter Checking back with you on Mason Rackley,its been a while.Do you have your husbands Grandfathers names on the Rackley side,I have some information that I might be able to make some connections.I,m from this Rackley line . OK, take care. Phil

Hi Queen list New results have been posted for a member of the Group 4 Queens (Charles Queen descendants). Perhaps one of the group participants could shed some light one what the DNA study has accomplished for this group so far. And where does this group think it needs to head in terms of future DNA studies to help answer questions or solidify relationships. I am also curious, since this group matches one of the European Quinn group participants perfectly at the 12 marker level, if any of you have tried to send an email to this individual and find out the status of his DNA study and what he knows about his family history. We also now have one new test in process at the FTDNA lab. Let's keep beating the bushes, their are more participants out there just waiting for a cheek swab! Don't hold me hostage to specific historical facts, but now that I have had my pilgramage to Ireland, I think I can state pretty firmly that there are no Queens in Ireland that are native to Ireland. So if you are a Queen who claims ancestry from Ireland, as do I, one is faced with a couple of prospects. You either are descendant from the Irish Quin/Quinn (O'Cuinn, Coyne, etc) clan, or you are a Queen (McQueen or variant) descendant from Scots that were settled in Ireland during the plantation period, and whose ancestors quickly moved on from Ireland to America, probably as a result of continuing Anglican oppression against both Cathlolics and other non-conformist religious groups, such as the Presbyterians, and whose migration make up much of the Scots-Irish settlement in the North Carolina and the Appalachians prior the American Revolution. And it is possible that any Queens that may have stayed in Ireland morphed their names into the more acceptable Quinn variant. I looked at every phone book in every town, and talked to lots of friendly Irish folks, and to a person they would agree that Queen was not Irish, it had to be originally Quinn or it had to be someone passing through. I did come across a Mulqueen, however. I was sort of curious about this name and its origin. Has anyone heard this name, and might it be some old variant of McQueen? Inquiring minds. In reading some of the literature while there, and I think this has probably been discussed on the list before, the differences in spelling between Quin and Quinn may have been a convenient device employed by the Anglican church, or other record/census keepers, to distinguish the Catholics, usually spelled Quinn, from the Protestants, usually spelled Quin. In either case, the Irish O'Cuinn, or Ui Cuinn clans (translated as I understand to mean "Chief" or "leader") were dominant historically in the County Tyrone, County Longford, and County Mayo areas, but are spread just about over every nook and cranny of Ireland these days. Since sooner or later, some of us Queens looking for "deep" ancestry must turn our sights towards the Quin/Quinn connection. This is exciting and it makes the DNA studies even more critical. Sooner or later, as the number of DNA participants from Europe and other countries in search of their roots increases, some of us are going to hit the mother pot-of-gold, with both European descendants and American descendants tracing back lines of descent from a common ancestor that may have split 300-400 years ago. It will be a fantastic experience when it happens. When families or individuals emigrated to America, not everyone came. So with luck, some of the folks that stayed behind had male descendants and they are now looking for the ancestors too. It is just a matter of time. When I get some time, I'll tell you about my experiences tracing my mother's family - the Cassity's. Also, in an interesting twist of fate, our yet to be discovered European cousins may be closer to the geographic source, but their genealogical records may not be as good as the records that survive in America. Irish records prior to 1800 are hit and miss and primarily the product of the Church. A lot of records have been destroyed through fires, fighting, and other untold disasters. For the most part, Irish records really don't begin until after 1800, long after most of our ancestors headed over the Atlantic. We may be of more help to them than we know. Anyway, just some speculative thoughts. Trying to get back in the discussion mode. Things have been quiet too long!! Rolla http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker.htm http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen/DNA/queenmarker-x.htm http://www.familytreedna.com/public/queenDNA/ http://webpages.charter.net/rlqueen

Try S32280 Series M805 Roll 672 Image 301 This is available online through Heritage Quest. Your local library may have a subscription. --Phil Minch-- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Welch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:46 PM Subject: [QUEEN] Thomas Queen, d. Madison Co.AL > Does anyone have the number of the Revolutionary War Pension Application > file for Thomas Queen, son > of old William? > Thanks, > > > Drew Welch > [email protected] > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > > ==== QUEEN Mailing List ==== > GenConnect at Rootsweb > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Queen > QUEEN YDNA PROJECT > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=X96855&special=True > http://www.ysearch.org/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Does anyone have the number of the Revolutionary War Pension Application file for Thomas Queen, son of old William? Thanks, Drew Welch [email protected] EarthLink Revolves Around You.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3YBBAEB/555.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: O. K. Jon, I will send you what I have for him. Carl

Its good to know you're home Rolla. Betty

Is Phoneas part of the Gnatty Creek Queens? Beckie McCoy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3YBBAEB/555.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: That is my Phineas Queen. I am descended from his son William L. I would appreciate any info you have on this family. Thank you very much. Jon