Kevan, you're welcome ........1st. yes it was a catholic marriage 2nd .....you're misinterpreting some of the info ........when son Peter/Pierre was baptized Louis Menard would have used an alias Louis Leriche .......Philomine Gagnon was only married once. In his marriage record he was listed as Louis BERNARD alias MENARD. Also found 2 baptisms 1 at St-Jean-sur-Richelieu & 1 at Lacolle of illegitimate girls, whose godmothers were Seraphine Champagne (Philomine Gagnon's mother) I believe these are Sara & Marie "Mathilde" b 25 May 1871 bp 3 Jun 1872 at Lacolle of parents unknown .....in baptismal record it states that the parents of this child were living together as husband & wife without being married, and refused to marry even when pleaded to in front of Church. this would be "Sara" "Marie Jeanne" b. 9 Oct 1872 bp. 24 Feb 1873 at St-Jean-sur-Richelieu of parents unknown from the United States. They could not have gotten married until Adeline Belleville died .....still looking for that record. Don In a message dated 10/17/2014 12:58:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mytrack1982@gmail.com writes: Truly remarkable. Thank you indeed. How did you find the Menard/Belleville marriage? Was it a Catholic marriage? And, I’m surprised that the Menard/Gagnon marriage didn’t mention that Philomene too had been married previously. So, it’s likely true that they are parents of the children in the marriage cert, but this is a mixed family. And, it means that they didn’t necessarily fool around prior to their marriage. Thank you again. Very much appreciated. Cheers, Kevan From: DStam33157@aol.com [mailto:DStam33157@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:10 PM To: mytrack1982@gmail.com; grandeebc@shaw.ca Cc: quebec-research@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Q-R] A mixed family indeed; need some help in making sense - translation... Kevin 1st marriage of Louis Menard & Adeline Belleville took place at St-Patrick's in Rouses Point, NY on 5 aug 1865 son Peter ...baptized as Pierre LERICHE son of Louis Leriche & Philomene Gagnon ...born 20 Oct 1875 Lacolle daughter Margaret......baptized as Marie Marguerite MAYNARD d/o Louis Maynard & Philomene Gagnon......born 26 Dec 1877 Lacolle son Louis........baptized as Louis MENARD s/o Louis Menard & Philomene Gagnon couldn't find birth of Sara or Marie Don In a message dated 10/16/2014 7:26:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _quebec-research@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:quebec-research@rootsweb.com) writes: You see the problem then. The marriage record states these kids are Philomene's; but, does she get pregnant at 10 years of ages and have a baby one year later? Something's not right. Or, this is as it is, and Louis was a bad boy. I'll have to look at the resocrds I have again. I think I have Philomene at an earlier census still living with her parents. I'll keep you posted. Cheers, Kevan -----Original Message----- From: Doreen O [mailto:grandeebc@shaw.ca] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:13 AM To: Kevan Barton Cc: _quebec-research@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:quebec-research@rootsweb.com) Subject: Re: [Q-R] A mixed family indeed; need some help in making sense - translation support The 1881 Canada Census, which gives surname as "Minor" shows the family of Louis, aged 26 with wife Philomene age 22 with the following children: Sarah - age 11 Mary - age 9 Peter - age 5 Margaret - age 3 Louis - age 2 - he does not appear in record for father's second marriage. The 1883 marriage of Louis, widower of Adeline Belleville, shows the youngest child as Jean Baptiste aged 6 months. Drouin/Ancestry shows that Louis Menard, son of Louis Menard & Philomene Gagnon was buried on 7 July 1881 at St-Bernard, Lacolle. Also another unnamed infant born to Louis & Philomene was buried on 5 January 1882 at St-Bernard, Lacolle. Cheers! Doreen ========== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevan Barton via" <_quebec-research@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:quebec-research@rootsweb.com) > To: _quebec-research@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:quebec-research@rootsweb.com) , _quebec-research-bounces@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:quebec-research-bounces@rootsweb.com) , _QUEBEC-RESERCH@rootsweb.com_ (mail to:QUEBEC-RESERCH@rootsweb.com) Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:10:15 PM Subject: [Q-R] A mixed family indeed; need some help in making sense - translation support _http://interactive.ancestry.com/1091/d1p_02320461/4737850?backurl=http%3a%2 f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3ddrouinvitals%26h%3d473785 0%26ti%3d0%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t57364495_p40290255314_kpidz 0q3d40290255314z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t57364495_p4029025 5314_kpidz0q3d40290255314z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=Return Record_ (http://interactive.ancestry.com/1091/d1p_02320461/4737850?backurl=http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=drouinvitals&h=4737850&ti=0&ind iv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t57364495_p40290255314_kpidz0q3d40290255314z0q26pgz0q3 d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t57364495_p40290255314_kpidz0q3d40290255314z 0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord) Hoping someone can give me a complete translation of this register. I can pretty easily pick out the dates and names, but the children listed later in the register are very odd. I can’t believe they are the children of this couple. I’ve noted the family in a census, but almost dismissed it as the children could not be the offspring of the couple as the ages don’t make sense. Anyway, any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Kevan -- *Kevan L. Barton* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to _QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com) with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message