In a message dated 9/6/2019 3:42:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, wflem72706@aol.com writes: Hi Sue Otto Eudes, comte de Vermandois married Pavie de HamBorn Vermandois, Normndy, FranceDied May 25, 1045  "                 "Parents were Herbert 4 de Vermandois married Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine of BarPavie Born 990 Vermandois, Normandy, FranceDied 1058             "                      "             "Parents were Evrard 2 seignuer, de Ham married Jehanne________________+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------BestBill