Bonjour Bertrand, I dont know if any of this will help, but once I started, I had to finish. Apparently I mis-spoke about the Springfield Diocese. That wasnt established until June 14 1870, so the whole state was under the Diocese of Boston in 1846. The Archives of the Archdiocese of Boston is where these old records are kept. They have a page here https://www.bostoncatholic.org/Offices-And-Services/Office-Detail.aspx?id=12 298 <https://www.bostoncatholic.org/Offices-And-Services/Office-Detail.aspx?id=1 2298&pid=1484> &pid=1484 https://books.google.com/books?id=x701SWintW0C <https://books.google.com/books?id=x701SWintW0C&q=st+anne#v=onepage&q=church &f=false> &q=st+anne#v=onepage&q=church&f=false Page 15 lists the churches with their dates. St Johns Church 1842 https://www.stjohnsworcester.org/ St Anns Church, originally called St. Annes 1856 https://www.telegram.com/news/20170429/st-anns-foretold-rise-fall-of-downtow n-churches St Paul Cathedral 1869 https://www.cathedralofsaintpaul.com/history Notre Dame de lAssomtion des Canadiens 1869 https://www.flickr.com/photos/saintetienne/albums/72157668203050198/ St. Anne & Notre Dame have been demolished, but they were French churches. For a civil record, I would suggest the Massachusetts State Archives. The people there are helpful, and hopefully would be able to figure out if there is an actual marriage register for Worcester that would have the normal information names, address, occupation, parents names, and name of the priest who married them [if they married in a church]- rather than this hodge podge of data that is on the ancestry site. Its possible that Certificate issued January 2, 1847 is all there is, or its possible they were not sorted out before they were filmed. They may also have an actual marriage register for Millbury if the marriage was recorded there, since the ancestry data only has the marriage intentions. Again, maybe thats all there is? https://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcgen/genidx.htm#1841 Generally speaking, the marriage could be in both Worcester and Millville, although I dont know when they started recording things in both places for sure. Because the bride lived in Millville and filed the intention there, Millville would have been notified that the marriage was complete assuming the priest returned the record . Since the marriage actually took place in Worcester, the record will be there as well. Massachusetts State Archives 617-727-2816 Fax: 617-288-8429 Email: <mailto:archives@sec.state.ma.us> archives@sec.state.ma.us Lisa lisa.lepore2@gmail.com From: Desjardins Bertrand [mailto:bertrand.desjardins@umontreal.ca] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 9:05 AM To: 'Quebec Research list' Subject: [Q-R] Re: [Pourriel Potentiel] Re: Theophilas Chartier marriage Thank you for this very thorough answer. They intended to marry, and they did, probably early in 1847. But where is the record? Bertrand _____ De : Lisa Lepore <lisa.lepore2@gmail.com> Envoyé : 30 août 2019 03:51:40 À : 'Quebec Research list' <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> Objet : [Q-R] Re: [Pourriel Potentiel] Re: Theophilas Chartier marriage Bonjour Bertrand, After looking at all the records in the Millbury book which is online at familysearch, all of the records there are marriage intentions, and not the actual marriage records. One of the ancestry items below is labelled as the marriage record - This record says the intention was 16 December 1846, but it was actually recorded as 26 December 1846 in Millbury. The record reads Mr. Theophilus Chartier of Worcester and Miss Elizabeth Dumas of Millbury, Intention entered 16 December 1846 and posted at the Town Hall. Certificate issued January 2, 1847. Although this record is labelled as a marriage record, this section of these records is under the section heading of Marriage Intentions. The collection is called Town and City Clerks of Massachusetts. Massachusetts Vital and Town Records, Provo, UT: Holbrook Research Institute (Jay and Delene Holbrook) There are other sections in this collection that are plainly marriage records. They are recorded on a different form and have a place for the parents, and the location of the marriage, etc. I dont know if these records dont exist for 1846 Worcester, or if this collection is not complete. Another of these links leads to a transcribed records of Millbury, and just gives the same marriage intention as above. You can find this book here https://archive.org/details/vitalrecordsmil00massgoog/page/n7 As far as Worcester parish records, maybe someone will know what churches were there at that time. Worcester was part of the Diocese of Springfield until 1950. Lisa lisa.lepore2@gmail.com From: Desjardins Bertrand [mailto:bertrand.desjardins@umontreal.ca] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 11:12 AM To: Quebec Research list Cc: dhazvt@aol.com Subject: [Q-R] Re: [Pourriel Potentiel] Re: Theophilas Chartier marriage Bonjour, Thank you for trying to solve my problem! I knew about the «Intention to marry». I was hoping the actual marriage might be found in Millbury or Worcester parish records but I do not have access to them. On this screen on Ancestry, there is a link to an image, but as I have only the .ca subscription, I can't view it. Is it only the «Intention ti marry? Best to you all. Bertrand _____ De : dot hemingway via Quebec-Research <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> Envoyé : 26 août 2019 20:51:33 À : quebec-research@rootsweb.com <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> Cc : dhazvt@aol.com <dhazvt@aol.com> Objet : [Pourriel Potentiel] [Q-R] Re: Theophilas Chartier marriage It looks like recorded town records, would like to see the certificate, but maybe December 26 is a good of date of marriage as it is between the 16th and 2nd January. Was there a Catholic church in existence one could go to go check records in 1846? -----Original Message----- From: linp219--- via Quebec-Research <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> To: quebec-research <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> Cc: linp219 <linp219@aol.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2019 06:22 PM Subject: [Q-R] Re: Theophilas Chartier marriage HI Dot, I saw that too, after I had firsts responded to Bertrand. I still can'tfind the actual marriage data though. I tried for hours -----Original Message----- From: dot hemingway via Quebec-Research <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> To: quebec-research <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> Cc: dhazvt <dhazvt@aol.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2019 7:47 pm Subject: [Q-R] Re: Theophilas Chartier marriage On ancestry it has that they filed their intention on 16 December 1846 and certificate was issued 2nd January 1847 from Worcester records. Names were Theophilias Chartier of Worcester and Elizabeth Damas Millbury. Place of marriage Worcester. Going back to 3rd page of records these were records from Worcester. -----Original Message----- From: linp219--- via Quebec-Research <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> To: quebec-research <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> Cc: linp219 <linp219@aol.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2019 03:13 PM Subject: [Q-R] Re: Theophilas Chartier marriage Hello Bertrand On Dec. 26 1846, the couple filed their intentions to marry, but from whatI read this was not the marriage date. I am looking a printed text notan original record, which I cannot find in the NEHGS. Linnie -----Original Message----- From: Desjardins Bertrand <bertrand.desjardins@umontreal.ca> To: Quebec Research list <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2019 4:32 pm Subject: [Q-R] Theophilas Chartier marriage Bonjour, Looking for the parents of Theophilas Chartier and of Elizabeth Dumas (Betsey DeMoore apparently in the record) married December 26 1846 in Millbury, Massachusetts. Anyone have access to the original record? Thank you in advance... 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