Not sure if I'm reading the following correctly: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1111/d13p_34240166/2052?backurl=http%3a %2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3ddrouinus%26gsln%3dLefor t%26msypn__ftp%3dnew%2byork%252c%2busa%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn%3d35%26msy pn_x%3d1%26hc%3d20%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26redir%3dfalse%26uidh%3d6o4 <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1111/d13p_34240166/2052?backurl=http%3 a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3ddrouinus%26gsln%3dLefo rt%26msypn__ftp%3dnew%2byork%252c%2busa%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn%3d35%26ms ypn_x%3d1%26hc%3d20%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26redir%3dfalse%26uidh%3d6o4&backla bel=ReturnSearchResults> &backlabel=ReturnSearchResults It's the marriage on the 18th, left side of record - for the marriage of Joseph Lefort and Rosalie Lapotrie. It states on 18 Sep 1849 that Joseph Lefort, son of Louis Lefort, widower (referring to Joseph) of Marie Cantalau is marrying Rosalie Lapotrie, dau of Francois Lapotrie and Rosalie Morin. Do you agree? I believe with certainty that widower refers to Joseph and not his father. Would it not make odd sense to even mention that his father was a widower within his son's marriage record? Cheers, Kevan

Yes Kevan, this is the very same man. He was always willing to help. Linnie Is this the Fr. John that passed away? Cheers, Kevan -----Original Message----- From: Renee Cummings <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2018 8:46 PM To: 'Quebec Research list' <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Q-R] Translation if possible......... Kevan Here is the English translation of the marriage of Joseph's parents by Fr John In the year eighteen hundred twenty-three, on the twelfth of May, after the publication of three banns of marriage done from the pulpit of this parish and of Sorelle on three consecutive Sundays, between the persons of Louis Lefort, farmer, adult son of Louis Lefort and of Theotiste Vignola, his father and mother, of the parish of Sorelle, on the first part; and of Marie Cantara, minor daughter of Michel Cantara, farmer, and of Joseph Arelle, her father and mother, of this parish, on the second part; having found neither impediment or opposition, as it appears from the certificate of Mr Kelly, parish priest of Sorelle, the parents of the parties having consented to the marriage; I received the mutual consent to marriage of the groom (sic) and gave them the nuptial blessing with the ceremonies prescribed by the Holy Church, in the presence, for the groom, of Baptiste Lefort, his brother, and of Augustin Morin; and for the bride, of Michel Cantara, her father, and of Louis Arelle, who, as well as the bride and groom, declared they were unable to sign. /s/ P Gilbert Fr John L _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_groups_QRlist_&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=Da3rysqFJ1PmBLRhtTLClGocK_huIGMNMIjiNe9IYZM&m=HecX3r9JztvW1kwbfO6k2np7fisq-OQX9yET1e5A7GA&s=m8LHpaXGl9i8-NAcse3Yxk3qfGn9Fj_00btRTq8Ta5M&e= List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=Da3rysqFJ1PmBLRhtTLClGocK_huIGMNMIjiNe9IYZM&m=HecX3r9JztvW1kwbfO6k2np7fisq-OQX9yET1e5A7GA&s=UQ0Un5il3_pDjfHWmu1ex6FkUcmXjVveopBknivMpzs&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=Da3rysqFJ1PmBLRhtTLClGocK_huIGMNMIjiNe9IYZM&m=HecX3r9JztvW1kwbfO6k2np7fisq-OQX9yET1e5A7GA&s=FZz7WdItVlTbg4HINDLKYOUvUq7s6ln03yc5CmuUlmg&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=Da3rysqFJ1PmBLRhtTLClGocK_huIGMNMIjiNe9IYZM&m=HecX3r9JztvW1kwbfO6k2np7fisq-OQX9yET1e5A7GA&s=sv-HeVvIcNCT7589clIOKI5tT9wF0x8VHjOB5RfmMQw&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Kevan Joseph's father Louis was the widower of Marie Cantara. Usually when a widower/widow marries again the name of the parents are seldom mentioned just the name of the deceased spouse. (Louis Lefort,veuf de Marie Cantara) They usually mentioned if one of the parents has died. Good night Renee [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: October-03-18 11:21 PM To: 'Quebec Research list' Subject: [Q-R] Translation if possible......... Not sure if I'm reading the following correctly: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1111/d13p_34240166/2052?backurl=http%3a %2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3ddrouinus%26gsln%3dLefor t%26msypn__ftp%3dnew%2byork%252c%2busa%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn%3d35%26msy pn_x%3d1%26hc%3d20%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26redir%3dfalse%26uidh%3d6o4 <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1111/d13p_34240166/2052?backurl=http%3 a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3ddrouinus%26gsln%3dLefo rt%26msypn__ftp%3dnew%2byork%252c%2busa%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn%3d35%26ms ypn_x%3d1%26hc%3d20%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26redir%3dfalse%26uidh%3d6o4&backla bel=ReturnSearchResults> &backlabel=ReturnSearchResults It's the marriage on the 18th, left side of record - for the marriage of Joseph Lefort and Rosalie Lapotrie. It states on 18 Sep 1849 that Joseph Lefort, son of Louis Lefort, widower (referring to Joseph) of Marie Cantalau is marrying Rosalie Lapotrie, dau of Francois Lapotrie and Rosalie Morin. Do you agree? I believe with certainty that widower refers to Joseph and not his father. Would it not make odd sense to even mention that his father was a widower within his son's marriage record? Cheers, Kevan

Renee, The way you are reading it is the way I've traditionally read it. The problem is that it makes no sense to me when looking at the rest of the documentation available for Joseph. The census records that I find the couple in as well as the death record for Joseph plants his birth on 1793, making it impossible for him to be the son of Louis Lefort and Marie Cantara. And in the records, a Joseph Lefort of 1793 (Sorel/Yamaska) had a father named Louis Lefort (mother was a Vignola). His age at which he married Rosalie leaves it open to have had a previous marriage and it makes sense of a daughter Lenora being in the 1860 census being aged 18 (she would have been born about 1842, eight years before the marriage of Joseph and Rosalie). Once I started playing with Joseph (as husband of Marie Cantara) on Genquebec and the PRDH, everything fell into place. Genquebec has the marriage record of Louis Lefort (father was Louis and mother Vignola) and Marie Cantara, but then the PRDH built this couple out with children, all of which has Joseph or Joseph Louis as a father. The records PRDH used for the family build are all Sorel and Yamaska. There are zero records (that I've found) that has a Louis Lefort and Marie Cantara as parents (but I'll be going back over everything). All of them have Joseph or Joseph Louis Lefort and Marie Cantara. Anyway, to make a long story short Joseph's full name was Joseph Louis Lefort. I would conjecture that his older brother Louis (b. 1790) to Lefort/Vignola died young or has yet to pop up in the records I'm looking at. So, I figured that if I'm correct and the family in Chazy, New York was the same family as the one in Sorel , I might find records in Chazy that have the same parents as the children in Yamaska/Sorel. And, sure enough, I did. I found an Angela lefort getting married, whose parents are Joseph Lefort and Marie Cantara. I think there might be two additional I will ultimately identify, Hercule and Emerence. And, the oldest of the Lefort/Cantara kids, Joseph, appears to be in the Chazy area. I wanted further evidence of the Sorel Leforts being in Chazy. And, sure enough, Charles, a younger brother of Joseph (b.1793) and this Charles' wife (a Millet) are in the area. Charles has a PRDH family build as well, all of which are based on Canadian records. He has more children based on the records in Chazy just as Joseph has. One of the problems with completing the families is that there is a record gap of about fifteen years when the family disappears in the Sorel area around 1830 and when they reappear in the Chazy area after 1843 (I think that's the earliest I've found of any Chazy/Cooperstown records. Have you an idea of where records that cover that gap are kept? And, the Lefort/Cantara and Lefort/Lapoterie family continued to move - many settling in mid-Vermont and using the anglicized name Wilfore they started using in Chazy. It looks like Charles' family move on from Chazy and settled in Wisconsin. So, going back to the marriage record. I think the record should be read, Joseph, son of Louis Lefort, (and) widower of Marie Cantara. What are your thoughts? I'll be hitting all the Lefort/Cantara kids to see if records of later life provide any additional details. Cheers, Kevan -----Original Message----- From: Renee Cummings <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2018 8:40 PM To: 'Quebec Research list' <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Q-R] Translation if possible......... Kevan Joseph's father Louis was the widower of Marie Cantara. Usually when a widower/widow marries again the name of the parents are seldom mentioned just the name of the deceased spouse. (Louis Lefort,veuf de Marie Cantara) They usually mentioned if one of the parents has died. Good night Renee [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: October-03-18 11:21 PM To: 'Quebec Research list' Subject: [Q-R] Translation if possible......... Not sure if I'm reading the following correctly: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1111/d13p_34240166/2052?backurl=http%3a %2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3ddrouinus%26gsln%3dLefor t%26msypn__ftp%3dnew%2byork%252c%2busa%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn%3d35%26msy pn_x%3d1%26hc%3d20%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26redir%3dfalse%26uidh%3d6o4 <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1111/d13p_34240166/2052?backurl=http%3 a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3ddrouinus%26gsln%3dLefo rt%26msypn__ftp%3dnew%2byork%252c%2busa%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn%3d35%26ms ypn_x%3d1%26hc%3d20%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26redir%3dfalse%26uidh%3d6o4&backla bel=ReturnSearchResults> &backlabel=ReturnSearchResults It's the marriage on the 18th, left side of record - for the marriage of Joseph Lefort and Rosalie Lapotrie. It states on 18 Sep 1849 that Joseph Lefort, son of Louis Lefort, widower (referring to Joseph) of Marie Cantalau is marrying Rosalie Lapotrie, dau of Francois Lapotrie and Rosalie Morin. Do you agree? I believe with certainty that widower refers to Joseph and not his father. Would it not make odd sense to even mention that his father was a widower within his son's marriage record? Cheers, Kevan

Kevan Here is the English translation of the marriage of Joseph's parents by Fr John In the year eighteen hundred twenty-three, on the twelfth of May, after the publication of three banns of marriage done from the pulpit of this parish and of Sorelle on three consecutive Sundays, between the persons of Louis Lefort, farmer, adult son of Louis Lefort and of Theotiste Vignola, his father and mother, of the parish of Sorelle, on the first part; and of Marie Cantara, minor daughter of Michel Cantara, farmer, and of Joseph Arelle, her father and mother, of this parish, on the second part; having found neither impediment or opposition, as it appears from the certificate of Mr Kelly, parish priest of Sorelle, the parents of the parties having consented to the marriage; I received the mutual consent to marriage of the groom (sic) and gave them the nuptial blessing with the ceremonies prescribed by the Holy Church, in the presence, for the groom, of Baptiste Lefort, his brother, and of Augustin Morin; and for the bride, of Michel Cantara, her father, and of Louis Arelle, who, as well as the bride and groom, declared they were unable to sign. /s/ P Gilbert Fr John L -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: October-03-18 11:21 PM To: 'Quebec Research list' Subject: [Q-R] Translation if possible......... Not sure if I'm reading the following correctly: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1111/d13p_34240166/2052?backurl=http%3a %2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3ddrouinus%26gsln%3dLefor t%26msypn__ftp%3dnew%2byork%252c%2busa%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn%3d35%26msy pn_x%3d1%26hc%3d20%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26redir%3dfalse%26uidh%3d6o4 <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1111/d13p_34240166/2052?backurl=http%3 a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3ddrouinus%26gsln%3dLefo rt%26msypn__ftp%3dnew%2byork%252c%2busa%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn%3d35%26ms ypn_x%3d1%26hc%3d20%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26redir%3dfalse%26uidh%3d6o4&backla bel=ReturnSearchResults> &backlabel=ReturnSearchResults It's the marriage on the 18th, left side of record - for the marriage of Joseph Lefort and Rosalie Lapotrie. It states on 18 Sep 1849 that Joseph Lefort, son of Louis Lefort, widower (referring to Joseph) of Marie Cantalau is marrying Rosalie Lapotrie, dau of Francois Lapotrie and Rosalie Morin. Do you agree? I believe with certainty that widower refers to Joseph and not his father. Would it not make odd sense to even mention that his father was a widower within his son's marriage record? Cheers, Kevan

Is this the Fr. John that passed away? Cheers, Kevan -----Original Message----- From: Renee Cummings <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2018 8:46 PM To: 'Quebec Research list' <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Q-R] Translation if possible......... Kevan Here is the English translation of the marriage of Joseph's parents by Fr John In the year eighteen hundred twenty-three, on the twelfth of May, after the publication of three banns of marriage done from the pulpit of this parish and of Sorelle on three consecutive Sundays, between the persons of Louis Lefort, farmer, adult son of Louis Lefort and of Theotiste Vignola, his father and mother, of the parish of Sorelle, on the first part; and of Marie Cantara, minor daughter of Michel Cantara, farmer, and of Joseph Arelle, her father and mother, of this parish, on the second part; having found neither impediment or opposition, as it appears from the certificate of Mr Kelly, parish priest of Sorelle, the parents of the parties having consented to the marriage; I received the mutual consent to marriage of the groom (sic) and gave them the nuptial blessing with the ceremonies prescribed by the Holy Church, in the presence, for the groom, of Baptiste Lefort, his brother, and of Augustin Morin; and for the bride, of Michel Cantara, her father, and of Louis Arelle, who, as well as the bride and groom, declared they were unable to sign. /s/ P Gilbert Fr John L -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: October-03-18 11:21 PM To: 'Quebec Research list' Subject: [Q-R] Translation if possible......... Not sure if I'm reading the following correctly: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1111/d13p_34240166/2052?backurl=http%3a %2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3ddrouinus%26gsln%3dLefor t%26msypn__ftp%3dnew%2byork%252c%2busa%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn%3d35%26msy pn_x%3d1%26hc%3d20%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26redir%3dfalse%26uidh%3d6o4 <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1111/d13p_34240166/2052?backurl=http%3 a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.com%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3ddrouinus%26gsln%3dLefo rt%26msypn__ftp%3dnew%2byork%252c%2busa%26msypn__ftp_x%3d1%26msypn%3d35%26ms ypn_x%3d1%26hc%3d20%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26redir%3dfalse%26uidh%3d6o4&backla bel=ReturnSearchResults> &backlabel=ReturnSearchResults It's the marriage on the 18th, left side of record - for the marriage of Joseph Lefort and Rosalie Lapotrie. It states on 18 Sep 1849 that Joseph Lefort, son of Louis Lefort, widower (referring to Joseph) of Marie Cantalau is marrying Rosalie Lapotrie, dau of Francois Lapotrie and Rosalie Morin. Do you agree? I believe with certainty that widower refers to Joseph and not his father. Would it not make odd sense to even mention that his father was a widower within his son's marriage record? Cheers, Kevan