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How some North Americans claim a false Indigenous identity September 22, 2019 9.49am EDT Author - Darryl R. J. Leroux Associate Professor, Department of Social Justice and Community Studies, Saint Mary’s University Disclosure statement Darryl R. J. Leroux does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organization that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment. Recently in Canada and the United States, a small but vocal minority of white French-descendants have used an ancestor born between 300 and 400 years ago to claim an “Indigenous” identity. Most of these claims are to a “Métis” identity, though many also claim “Abenaki” and “Algonquin” identities. Since 2014, I’ve been researching this shift into an “Indigenous” identity, which has been especially noticeable since a series of Supreme Court of Canada decisions between 1999 and 2003. For my book, Distorted Descent: White Claims to Indigenous Identity, I dove into 12 years of online genealogy forums. One of the most surprising findings was how the same French women were transformed into Indigenous women on different forums in both French and English. Building on the work of academics Kim TallBear and Alondra Nelson, this practice is called aspirational descent. It involves changing an ancestor’s identity to fit one’s current desire to shift away from a white identity. Often, this is done by opponents of Indigenous land claims. In other cases, as in U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren, one simply repeats false family stories passed down over the generations, ignoring the voices of Indigenous peoples along the way. Read more: Becoming Indigenous: The rise of Eastern Métis in Canada This practice isn’t only limited to online spaces. The same French women are also used by the three largest “Métis” organizations in Québec and half a dozen “Abenaki” tribes in New England for membership. The practice is so common that in the 5,000 membership records that I’ve seen, about 30 per cent of members have no Indigenous ancestry at all: they rely solely on a French women born prior to 1650 for their so-called Indigenous identity. After reviewing their records, it’s fair to say that about 50 “Indigenous” organizations created since 2003 are Indigenous only in name: no level of government, court or Indigenous Peoples have recognized them as Indigenous. Using the example of two women who come up repeatedly online and in organizational records, I will explain how this works. Catherine Lejeune: An Acadian woman turned ‘Mi'kmaq’ Catherine Lejeune was born in France around 1633. For almost a century, researchers speculated that Lejeune had been Mi’kmaq. This theory, based on a French historian’s faulty argument in the 1880s, led to a number of fanciful stories about her origins among genealogists. The most common, which continues to circulate widely today, claims that Lejeune is the granddaughter of Mi'kmaw Grand Chief Henri Membertou. There’s no evidence to support this claim. Over the past 20 years, a number of historians of early Acadia have provided compelling documentary evidence that she was born in France. Plus, the results of genetic ancestry testing of nearly a dozen of her present-day descendants have consistently pointed to her French origins. There’s no longer a debate about Lejeune’s origins among historians. Despite the academic consensus, Lejeune continues to be identified as Indigenous online and among several self-identified Indigenous organizations. For instance, nearly a hundred members of the Communauté métis autochtone de Maniwaki and the Communauté métisse du Domaine-du-roi et de la Seigneurie de Mingan count Lejeune as their sole “Indigenous” root ancestor. Both organizations have recently been involved in protracted legal proceedings claiming Aboriginal rights for their allegedly Métis membership. Since 2014, nearly 100 individual members have lost nearly 60 separate court cases, yet they continue to press on in the courts. The Alliance autochtone du Québec (AAQ), another organization representing the so-called Québec Métis, also accepts Lejeune as an Indigenous root ancestor. In a 2016 court case, two AAQ members from Rouyn-Noranda claimed Aboriginal rights with Lejeune as the basis for their Indigenous identity. They lost the case, but the judge ultimately didn’t comment on their claim that Lejeune was Mi'kmaq. Catherine Pillard: A fille du roi turned ‘Algonquin-Siberian’ The most stunning display of aspirational descent is without a doubt that of Catherine Pillard. Once New France came under French Crown authority in 1663, King Louis XIV started paying for girls and young women to settle in the colony. Over a period of 11 years, the Crown sponsored about 800 filles du roi, pressing them into reproductive service. Until 2007, there was little doubt that Pillard had been one of these young women. Historians long ago identified her baptismal certificate from La Rochelle, on France’s west coast. She was believed to have arrived with the first shipment of women in the spring of 1663. Two years later in October 1665, when Catherine was 19, she married Jean Charron, with whom she had 12 children. But something strange happened in 2007 that would challenge generations of conventional wisdom. Three genealogists with ties to “Eastern Métis” organizations published a paper suggesting that Catherine had in fact been an Indigenous woman. The paper was based on DNA ancestry tests of several of Pillard’s present-day descendants. The researchers had tested their mitochondrial DNA, which is passed down unchanged through ones’ maternal lineage. Isolating Pillard’s mtDNA, they identified it as part of a subgroup commonly associated with peoples Indigenous to the Americas. Their argument lacked clarity about Pillard’s precise origins, but online forums blew up with speculation anyway. Before long, Pillard had been renamed Catherine “Ouenta,” the long-lost daughter of Huron-Wendat chief Atsena, on a wide range of online sites. “Métis” organizations in Quebec and “Abenaki tribes” in Vermont and New Hampshire added hundreds, if not thousands of members who discovered Pillard in their genealogy. By the time I was researching my book in 2017, she had become one of the principal “Indigenous” ancestors used by French-descendants to become “Indigenous.” Short-lived Pillard’s time as an “Indigenous” woman was short lived. The family association representing tens of thousands of Pillard’s descendants hired a high-profile genetic genealogist to verify the study’s results. Jacques Beaugrand, an independent scientist, retested the same mtDNA and came up with significantly different results. Instead of DNA associated with Indigenous peoples via eastern Siberia, he concluded that the mtDNA was associated with a region of western Asia. It turns out that Catherine Pillard had inherited mtDNA from a women who had travelled to Western Europe via present-day Armenia or Kazakhstan centuries before. After archival research by two historians further confirmed the documentary record supporting Pillard’s French identity, the family association closed its case. Pillard returned to her original identity as a French woman. At least, she did for those dedicated to the available evidence. For those involved in the “Eastern Métis” movement, Pillard has remained the daughter of a well-known Huron-Wendat chief. The trouble with self-identification Over the past 15 years, dozens of defendants in court have used either Lejeune or Pillard to claim Aboriginal rights. All have lost. Countless others are using French women ancestors to become “Indigenous” to apply for jobs, scholarships and bursaries, advisory roles and other opportunities reserved for Indigenous people. Even some reputable Indigenous organizations are now led by white French-descendants taking advantage of mainstream confusion about Indigenous identity to identify as “Québec Métis” or “Acadian-Métis.” A recent CBC Indigenous report identified at least one sitting MP and several federal candidates claiming a similarly questionable Indigenous identity. This will continue, as long as we continue to ignore the voices of Indigenous Peoples and use self-identification as the sole basis for Indigenous identity claims.

In a message dated 9/22/2019 3:42:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, wflem72706@aol.com writes: Hi Chris Herlewin de Tancarville married_______________Born 955 Tancarville, Seine-Maritime,Upper Normandy, FranceDied 1010Parents were Rabel Tancred Seigneur de Hauteville married____________________+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------BestBill

Hi Stranger Thank you BestBill In a message dated 9/13/2019 3:37:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, mygenbones@gmail.com writes: Happy Birthday, Bill. Here's to many more! ???????? Sandra Goodwin Podcast: Maple Stars and Stripes: Your French-Canadian Genealogy Podcast Website: http://MapleStarsandStripes.com Email: MapleStarsandStripes@gmail.com YouTube: http://www.maplestarsandstripes.com/youtube Facebook: www.facebook.com/maplestarsandstripes Member: APG and NEAPG, NEHGS, AFGS Maple Stars and Stripes <https://maplestarsandstripes.com> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 3:27 PM Christine Morton <camarc07@gmail.com> wrote: > Happy Birthday, and many more! > Christine > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:18 AM linp219--- via Quebec-Research < > quebec-research@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Happy Birthday to William Fleming aka Best, Bill dit BB > > Linnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: > > https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > > And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ > > List Archives are at: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: > https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ > List Archives are at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

HyGene...............Hi Jean Thank you I was in Granby Quebec 10 days and just got back last night. Spent my Friday Sept 13th in Quebec. LOL Bestbill In a message dated 9/13/2019 1:32:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, whudson@kingston.net writes: Happy cake day Bill...    :-)      have a good one... Jean -----Original Message----- From: Discussion Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 12:22 PM To: 'Quebec Research list' Cc: linp219@aol.com Subject: [Q-R] Re: Special Announcement Joyeux anniversaire monsieur William Fleming. Santé et …un petit verre… Florent de Napierville -----Message d'origine----- De : Luc-Pierre Laferrière [mailto:luc-pierre.laferriere@hotmail.com] Envoyé : 13 septembre 2019 10:33 À : Quebec-Research@rootsweb.com Cc : linp219@aol.com Objet : [Q-R] Re: Special Announcement I second the proposal... And I vote in favor of it. Luc-PIerre Laferrière ________________________________ De : linp219--- via Quebec-Research <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> Envoyé : 13 septembre 2019 10:18 À : Quebec-Research@rootsweb.com <Quebec-Research@rootsweb.com> Cc : linp219@aol.com <linp219@aol.com> Objet : [Q-R] Special Announcement Happy Birthday to William Fleming aka Best, Bill dit BB Linnie _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Florent Thank you.Have been in Granby, Quebec for 10 days and just got back last night BestBill In a message dated 9/13/2019 12:22:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, discussion@sympatico.ca writes: Joyeux anniversaire monsieur William Fleming. Santé et …un petit verre… Florent de Napierville -----Message d'origine----- De : Luc-Pierre Laferrière [mailto:luc-pierre.laferriere@hotmail.com] Envoyé : 13 septembre 2019 10:33 À : Quebec-Research@rootsweb.com Cc : linp219@aol.com Objet : [Q-R] Re: Special Announcement I second the proposal... And I vote in favor of it. Luc-PIerre Laferrière ________________________________ De : linp219--- via Quebec-Research <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> Envoyé : 13 septembre 2019 10:18 À : Quebec-Research@rootsweb.com <Quebec-Research@rootsweb.com> Cc : linp219@aol.com <linp219@aol.com> Objet : [Q-R] Special Announcement Happy Birthday to William Fleming aka Best, Bill dit BB Linnie _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Jim Thanks I was in Granby Quebec 10 days and just got back last night BestBill In a message dated 9/13/2019 10:34:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, quebec-research@rootsweb.com writes: Happy Birthday, Bill!  And many many more! Jim _______________________________________________~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto:https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htmAnd we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Luc-Pierre Thank you.I was in Granby, Quebec for 10 days. Just got back last evening Bestbill In a message dated 9/13/2019 10:33:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, luc-pierre.laferriere@hotmail.com writes: I second the proposal... And I vote in favor of it. Luc-PIerre Laferrière________________________________De : linp219--- via Quebec-Research <quebec-research@rootsweb.com>Envoyé : 13 septembre 2019 10:18À : Quebec-Research@rootsweb.com <Quebec-Research@rootsweb.com>Cc : linp219@aol.com <linp219@aol.com>Objet : [Q-R] Special Announcement Happy Birthday to William Fleming aka Best, Bill dit BBLinnie _______________________________________________~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto:https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htmAnd we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto:https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htmAnd we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

In a message dated 9/22/2019 3:22:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, wflem72706@aol.com writes: In a message dated 9/22/2019 3:18:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, wflem72706@aol.com writes: Hi Chris Herlewin de Tancarville married_______________Born 955 Tancarville, Seine-Maritime,Upper Normandy, FranceDied 1010Parents were Rabel Tancred Seigneur de Hauteville married____________________+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------BestBill

In a message dated 9/22/2019 3:18:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, wflem72706@aol.com writes: Hi Chris Herlewin de Tancarville married_______________Born 955 Tancarville, Seine-Maritime,Upper Normandy, FranceDied 1010Parents were Rabel Tancred Seigneur de Hauteville married____________________+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------BestBill

My maternal line is all French ie. Mercier and Poulin and Couture and Arymand Just found this on what very possibly is my 4th great grandfather Thomas Boyd.  Need to check out the information to be sure?Letitia was a part of my great great great grandfathers family, John Boyd who came to Enosburg, VT about 1848 died 1887 Hyde Park, Vt of kidney disease.  Letitia was found in Dunham, Quebec about the same time.  Thomas Boyd was John Boyd's father.Harriet E. Cady Thomas Boyd info ? I don’t have much onMaryette Trainor she was born about 1787 in Monagahan, Ireland, deathunknown.  She was married to Thomas Boyd born about 1787 in Clare,Monagahan, Northern Ireland and he died 18 June 1815 (at battle) at Waterloo,Brabant, Wallon, Belgium in the final onslaught against Napoleon in theoffensive lead by Blucher.  ~Barry King At the time his wife Maryette wasallegedly serving as a Lady in Paris.  It is also where her daughterLetitia was born in 1815 four months after her father died.  There isspeculation that since her mother served as a Lady, she was remarried to ununknown noble.  Letitia seemed very educated and with money and marriedinto the Kings.  This was told to me by a King family descendant, I can’tfind anything to confirm it. 

This is the one I was looking for. Thanks to all that helped! ------------------------------- Individual |  #166539 |   PIERRE LAURENT CARON    Father : LOUIS CARON  Mother : MARIE GENEVIEVE LEMIEUX  Family  | Birth : | 1736-08-09  |  | | Baptism : | 1736-08-10 | L'Islet | | Death : | 1808-02-13 |  | | Burial : | 1808-02-15 | St-Jean-Port-Joli |     First marriage 1764-01-18 L'Islet with MARIE LOUISE CHOUINARD  Father : JULIEN  CHOUINARD  Mother : MARIE REINE  FORTIN  Family  | © PRDH-IGD | www.prdh-igd.com |

| Individual | #166539 | PIERRE LAURENT CARON Father : LOUIS CARON Mother : MARIE GENEVIEVE LEMIEUX Family | Birth : | 1736-08-09  | | | Baptism : | 1736-08-10 | L'Islet | | Death : | 1808-02-13 | | | Burial : | 1808-02-15 | St-Jean-Port-Joli | First marriage 1764-01-18 L'Islet with MARIE LOUISE CHOUINARD Father : JULIEN CHOUINARD Mother : MARIE REINE FORTIN Family | © PRDH-IGD | www.prdh-igd.com | Linnie =========================== -----Original Message----- From: Cora via Quebec-Research <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> To: quebec-research <quebec-research@rootsweb.com> Cc: Cora <lovableme1@aol.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 20, 2019 9:59 pm Subject: [Q-R] Re: Caron death record I have a Pierre Laurent Caron that was born Aug 9th, 1736 ion L'Islet, P.Q., CanadaMarried to Marie Luis Elisabeth Chouinard on 2/18/1764 in L'Islet, P.Q., CanadaHis parents are Louis Caron born 1699 and his wife Marie Genevieve Lemieux born 1705. Not verified and dont have a death date. In a message dated 9/20/2019 12:22:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, rcummi1123@rogers.com writes: Where did he died, Canada or US,Do you know who his parents and his spouse were and where he married , if he did.?So far I can't find his death in Canada.Renee     On Friday, September 20, 2019, 06:51:38 a.m. EDT, Charlie Brown <legoo98@gmail.com> wrote:  I’m hoping to verify the death date and place for Pierre Laurent Caron. I’ve found 2 different dates: 22 Nov 1840 and 13 Feb 1808 Thank you for any help with this.

I have a Pierre Laurent Caron that was born Aug 9th, 1736 ion L'Islet, P.Q., CanadaMarried to Marie Luis Elisabeth Chouinard on 2/18/1764 in L'Islet, P.Q., CanadaHis parents are Louis Caron born 1699 and his wife Marie Genevieve Lemieux born 1705. Not verified and dont have a death date. In a message dated 9/20/2019 12:22:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, rcummi1123@rogers.com writes: Where did he died, Canada or US,Do you know who his parents and his spouse were and where he married , if he did.?So far I can't find his death in Canada.Renee     On Friday, September 20, 2019, 06:51:38 a.m. EDT, Charlie Brown <legoo98@gmail.com> wrote:  I’m hoping to verify the death date and place for Pierre Laurent Caron. I’ve found 2 different dates: 22 Nov 1840 and 13 Feb 1808 Thank you for any help with this. _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH Questions: For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at quebec-research-owner@rootsweb.com. Subscribing: Subscribe to this list by sending an email or visiting the administration page for this list (requires separate login). After subscribing, you should receive a confirmation email. Follow the instructions in that email. If you do not receive it, your subscription request may be waiting for the list administrator to approve, or it may be in your junk or spam mail folder. Note that for subscribing to the list digest, you will need to visit the administration page _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community   _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH Questions: For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at quebec-research-owner@rootsweb.com. Subscribing: Subscribe to this list by sending an email or visiting the administration page for this list (requires separate login). After subscribing, you should receive a confirmation email. Follow the instructions in that email. If you do not receive it, your subscription request may be waiting for the list administrator to approve, or it may be in your junk or spam mail folder. Note that for subscribing to the list digest, you will need to visit the administration page _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

A DNA test may solve the mystery.We found  a lost relative with a DNA test Kathie Edwards <rose23@telus.net>To:quebec@rootsweb.comSep. 19 at 8:15 a.m.  A fellow was born in the Lachine Hospital in 1956 which at that time was operated by Sisters of Providence. I would like to know where the hospital records for that time frame would be located. Also the baptismal records. This fellow has a birth certificate that was issued in 1958. It is complicated as he knows his birth parents, but was adopted, something happened about 5 or 6 years into the adoption and he was in foster care until he was 16 with the same family for the whole time. The birth certificate he has is with his adopted parents name. Recently he tried to open a Service Canada account, without success until he went to a Service Canada Centre where they informed him that the date on his birth certificate was incorrect and they applied for a new Birth Certificate for him, which makes him younger than he really is.   I believe that somewhere between his birth, adoption and foster care a mistake has been made. The only way to have this corrected is to find the original records. Hospitals usually have records for all of their patients. Also as this was a Catholic hospital he may have be christened soon after birth, but I do not know where those records by be held.   Any help with this would be appreciated very much. Thank you Kathie

Where did he died, Canada or US,Do you know who his parents and his spouse were and where he married , if he did.?So far I can't find his death in Canada.Renee On Friday, September 20, 2019, 06:51:38 a.m. EDT, Charlie Brown <legoo98@gmail.com> wrote: I’m hoping to verify the death date and place for Pierre Laurent Caron. I’ve found 2 different dates: 22 Nov 1840 and 13 Feb 1808 Thank you for any help with this. _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH Questions: For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at quebec-research-owner@rootsweb.com. Subscribing: Subscribe to this list by sending an email or visiting the administration page for this list (requires separate login). After subscribing, you should receive a confirmation email. Follow the instructions in that email. If you do not receive it, your subscription request may be waiting for the list administrator to approve, or it may be in your junk or spam mail folder. Note that for subscribing to the list digest, you will need to visit the administration page _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Which Pierre Laurent Caron? In a message dated 9/20/2019 6:51:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, legoo98@gmail.com writes: I’m hoping to verify the death date and place for Pierre Laurent Caron. I’ve found 2 different dates: 22 Nov 1840 and 13 Feb 1808 Thank you for any help with this. _______________________________________________~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto:https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htmAnd we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCHQuestions: For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at quebec-research-owner@rootsweb.com.Subscribing: Subscribe to this list by sending an email or visiting the administration page for this list (requires separate login). After subscribing, you should receive a confirmation email. Follow the instructions in that email. If you do not receive it, your subscription request may be waiting for the list administrator to approve, or it may be in your junk or spam mail folder. Note that for subscribing to the list digest, you will need to visit the administration page_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I’m hoping to verify the death date and place for Pierre Laurent Caron. I’ve found 2 different dates: 22 Nov 1840 and 13 Feb 1808 Thank you for any help with this.

   Couple   17064 PRDH  Rivière-Ouelle  1698-01-07   01 CHARLES PELTIER Residence : RIVIÈRE-OUELLE    02 MARIE THERESE HOUALLET Residence : RIVIÈRE-OUELLE   03 JEAN PELTIER FATHER  OF 01  SPOUSE  OF 04 Residence : RIVIÈRE-OUELLE   04 ANNE LANGLOIS MOTHER  OF 01  SPOUSE  OF 03 Residence : RIVIÈRE-OUELLE   05 RENE HOUALLET FATHER  OF 02  SPOUSE  OF 06 Residence : RIVIÈRE-OUELLE   06 MARIE THERESE MIGNEAU MOTHER  OF 02  SPOUSE  OF 05 Residence : RIVIÈRE-OUELLE  07 NOEL PELTIER BROTHER  OF 01 08 JEAN AUTIN UNCLE  OF 02   09 ROBERT MORIN   10 ETIENNE JANOT   11 J BERNARD DEREQUELEYNE Occupation  : CURE Residence : RIVIÈRE-OUELLE  Union 1698-01-07 Rivière-Ouelle  PELLETIER  CHARLES  &  OUELLET  MARIE-THERESE   Good night, Renee On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 10:09:10 p.m. EDT, legoo98@gmail.com <legoo98@gmail.com> wrote: Can someone please verify this marriage date for me?  : Charles Pelletier and Marie-Thérèse Ouellet 7 Jan 1698, Notre-Dame-de-Liesse, Riviere-Ouelle, Kamouraska, Quebec Thanks very much! _______________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: https://sites.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH Questions: For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at quebec-research-owner@rootsweb.com. Subscribing: Subscribe to this list by sending an email or visiting the administration page for this list (requires separate login). After subscribing, you should receive a confirmation email. Follow the instructions in that email. If you do not receive it, your subscription request may be waiting for the list administrator to approve, or it may be in your junk or spam mail folder. Note that for subscribing to the list digest, you will need to visit the administration page _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/quebec-research@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Can someone please verify this marriage date for me?  : Charles Pelletier and Marie-Thérèse Ouellet 7 Jan 1698, Notre-Dame-de-Liesse, Riviere-Ouelle, Kamouraska, Quebec Thanks very much!