At Fort Ticonderoga: http://www.fortticonderoga.org/learn/learning/war-college-2014 Regards, Uncle

Renee, Oh, my stupid error! How did I forget that? That birth data was the nub of my own question on 7 April when I began another thread "Charles Rancourt and Catherine Lachance." I should have been reviewing that one too. There is no other couple on record with those names as Fran pointed out that same day. I just have to stay open to the idea that the parents of first cousins once removed allowed their children to marry, and that such a marriage was somehow officiated by a priest or blessed after the fact. If a dispensation had been granted, it seems that there has to be some record of that in a Beauce County parish and the marriage would have been performed there. As it is, there are records of children who were born of parents with these names being baptized beginning on 20 Dec 1852 in Waterville, Maine. So there was good standing in the Catholic Church. Thank you for correcting me. Al Poulin On Apr 21, 2014, at 5:06 PM, Renee Cummings wrote: > Hi Al > > A family tree published in Waterville, Maine suggested, with some caution, > that the Pierre Rancourt who married Sophie Marcoux might have been a son of > Charles Rancourt and Catherine Pepin-Lachance. But there is no known birth > of a Pierre to this couple. > > Yes Al, there is a birth of a son Pierre to that family but I didn't find a > marriage for him. > > Genealogie Quebec > > Baptême Sorel 1823-09-13 Naissance : 1823-09-13 > > Acte du Fonds Drouin : d1p_20081413.jpg > > RANCOURT , PIERRE Sujet sexe m. > > RANCOURT , CHARLES Père > > LACHANCE , CATHERINE Mère > > Good luck > Renee > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: quebec-research-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:quebec-research-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Poulin > Sent: April-21-14 1:12 PM > To: QUEBEC-RESEARCH@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Parents of Pierre Rancourt > > Hello Again Renee, > > Three of your messages of 7 and 8 April 2014 overlapped each other, and I'd > like to respond to each separately. This is the second, on the topic of > Pierre Rancourt, brother of Charles. > > You mentioned the brothers Charles and Pierre Rancourt. With so many members > of families who carried identical first names, it does get confusing. But > this Pierre is not the one who married Sophie Marcoux nee Pepin dite > Lachance in Maine. > > Looking at my original post in this thread, I'll expand the picture now. The > Pierre who married Marguerite Maheu had a son Louis who went to Waterville, > Maine. Louis and his spouse Catherine Vachon-Pomerleau became godparents of > Louis-Joseph Rancourt, a child of the younger Pierre Rancourt and Sophie > Marcoux. In 1860, the younger Pierre had an elderly Charles Rancourt in his > household. The fact that the elder Louis had an uncle named Charles suggests > the possibility that the elderly Charles living with the younger Pierre was > in fact his uncle. The younger Pierre (if actually a son of Charles Rancourt > and Louise Germain) and the elder Louis would have been first cousins. This > would serve as the traditional family connection for a godfather/godson > relationship. For a time, they lived as very close neighbors. > > A family tree published in Waterville, Maine suggested, with some caution, > that the Pierre Rancourt who married Sophie Marcoux might have been a son of > Charles Rancourt and Catherine Pepin-Lachance. But there is no known birth > of a Pierre to this couple. Fran was correct on that. And there is no known > 'Louis' related to that family on either side. Besides, there is another > problem. A marriage of such a Pierre would have meant he married a first > cousin once removed, Sophie Marcoux nee Pepin dite Lachance. I think that is > unlikely. > > Al Poulin > >

Hi Selma, What you say makes sense. It could have been a planned visit for the purpose of bearing a child. Childbearing was in someone's home, usually one's own home or in the home of a very close relative or friend. A favored mid-wife and a few other women would usually be there for the event. The same thing happened at the earlier birth of Pierre's sister Catherine on 5 April 1790 at St. François, the parents being from St. Joseph. But I don't know who that close relative or friend would have been. On the other hand, even if the parents had been living at St. François for a couple years, the curé may have understood that as a temporary status. Four sibling births prior to Catherine and Pierre, beginning in 1783, were registered at St. Joseph-de-Beauce, as well as five births after Pierre, through 1804. And I've noticed births registered at St. Joseph with the annotation in the margin "de St. François." This Poulin family was basically rooted in St. Joseph. I will sent you a database extract from Bob Chenard's inventory of Beauce County records. Of interest is that two individual priests, one after the other, attended to both St. Joseph and St. François from 1783 to 1810. Antoine Lamotte was curé for all of the family's births at both parishes except the first two, beginning in 1785. He remained at St. Joseph until 1817. His predecessor, Joseph-Maurice Jean, served for about two years, 1783 to 1785. Al On Apr 21, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Selma Grant wrote: > Couldn't figure out what the ??Joseph meant. After I was told, I noticed that in both parishes there were similar entries, so people must have been visiting family when the child was born. > Selma > > > From: Al Poulin <alfred.poulin@gmail.com> > To: QUEBEC-RESEARCH@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 5:16 AM > Subject: [Q-R] Fwd: Pierre Poulin but > > Selma, > > More precisely, I should have said "other members of Ernest Michaud's ancestors's family," Ernest having been your brother in law. That's nice work you are doing for his children. > > Al Poulin > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Al Poulin <alfred.poulin@gmail.com> > > Date: April 21, 2014 8:08:50 AM EDT > > To: QUEBEC-RESEARCH@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Pierre Poulin but > > > > Good morning Selma: > > > > Notice that the marginal entry is "de St. Joseph. The reference is to the fact that the family was from the neighboring parish of St. Joseph-de-Beauce as were other members of our ancestor's family at that time. The traditional phrase "de cette paroisse" is omitted, but the curé was not in the habit of using that phrase anyway. > > > > Al Poulin > > > > On Apr 21, 2014, at 2:33 AM, Doreen O wrote: > > > >> It would seem to refer to the addition of Joseph as baptism name which was omitted from the text. > >> > >> Father was Charles Poulin and mother was Marie Angelique Vachon > >> Pierre Poirier, an uncle, was the godfather and godmother was Marie Genevieve Boutilette. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Selma Grant" <selma_grant@yahoo.com> > >> To: "Quebec-Research" <Quebec-Research-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:49:17 PM > >> Subject: [Q-R] Pierre Poulin but > >> > >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-28027-7504-86?cc=1321742&wc=MHBY-H3N:13625201,13625202,13625203 > >> What is the infor under Pierre Poulin ??Joseph?? > >> Selma > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > >> And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ > >> List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ > List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Al A family tree published in Waterville, Maine suggested, with some caution, that the Pierre Rancourt who married Sophie Marcoux might have been a son of Charles Rancourt and Catherine Pepin-Lachance. But there is no known birth of a Pierre to this couple. Yes Al, there is a birth of a son Pierre to that family but I didn't find a marriage for him. Genealogie Quebec Baptême Sorel 1823-09-13 Naissance : 1823-09-13 Acte du Fonds Drouin : d1p_20081413.jpg RANCOURT , PIERRE Sujet sexe m. RANCOURT , CHARLES Père LACHANCE , CATHERINE Mère Good luck Renee -----Original Message----- From: quebec-research-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quebec-research-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Poulin Sent: April-21-14 1:12 PM To: QUEBEC-RESEARCH@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Q-R] Parents of Pierre Rancourt Hello Again Renee, Three of your messages of 7 and 8 April 2014 overlapped each other, and I'd like to respond to each separately. This is the second, on the topic of Pierre Rancourt, brother of Charles. You mentioned the brothers Charles and Pierre Rancourt. With so many members of families who carried identical first names, it does get confusing. But this Pierre is not the one who married Sophie Marcoux nee Pepin dite Lachance in Maine. Looking at my original post in this thread, I'll expand the picture now. The Pierre who married Marguerite Maheu had a son Louis who went to Waterville, Maine. Louis and his spouse Catherine Vachon-Pomerleau became godparents of Louis-Joseph Rancourt, a child of the younger Pierre Rancourt and Sophie Marcoux. In 1860, the younger Pierre had an elderly Charles Rancourt in his household. The fact that the elder Louis had an uncle named Charles suggests the possibility that the elderly Charles living with the younger Pierre was in fact his uncle. The younger Pierre (if actually a son of Charles Rancourt and Louise Germain) and the elder Louis would have been first cousins. This would serve as the traditional family connection for a godfather/godson relationship. For a time, they lived as very close neighbors. A family tree published in Waterville, Maine suggested, with some caution, that the Pierre Rancourt who married Sophie Marcoux might have been a son of Charles Rancourt and Catherine Pepin-Lachance. But there is no known birth of a Pierre to this couple. Fran was correct on that. And there is no known 'Louis' related to that family on either side. Besides, there is another problem. A marriage of such a Pierre would have meant he married a first cousin once removed, Sophie Marcoux nee Pepin dite Lachance. I think that is unlikely. Al Poulin

Hi Gang I will know by the end of this week for sure about Western Mass, for 9 or 10 days by June for one of my overnight cemetery trips. But where to go in the Fall?????? I could go back to Clinton County, N.Y. to finish that up from last year. All the southern part of Clinton Co. I have to finish. Or, I could go to Saratoga, N.Y. area and do that for 9-10 days. Or South Western N.Y. state, which is over by Jamestown, N.Y. which I have never been to and do their cemeteries. Or other possibilities............................??????? I think this trip I'll let you all or Ya'll pick where I am going for the Fall trip. I'll take a count on April 28th and decide from there. Which ever gets the most votes is where I will go. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Now, for the same subject but different...................... I am still looking for a travel partner for some of these longer cemetery trips. Places I have on my wish list for cemeteries........................................ West Point, N.Y. Sleepy Hollow, N.Y. Tarrytown, N.Y. Kingston, N.Y. Salem, Plymouth and Boston, Mass. Arlington, Va. Philadelphia, Pa. Anyone interested???????????? Best Bill

April 21,1806 St-Boniface Manitoba - Marie-Anne Gaboury marries Jean-Baptiste Lagimodière; the first white woman to live in Western Canada, Gaboury is Louis Riel's grandmother. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- April 21,1785 Quebec Quebec - Trial by jury begins in Canada with the adoption of British common law. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- April 21,1664 Quebec Quebec - Governor bans the littering of streets with 'straw, manure or anything else'; first hygiene regulations in New France.

Monday, April 21 KINDERGARTEN DAY (http://440.com/twtd/dxlnkgo1.html) Some things we take for granted, like kindergarten. It’s just the first chance most kids get to attend a formal school, right? Wrong. A man named Friedrich Froebel actually invented kindergarten. Little Freddie was born on this day in 1782 in Germany. He grew up to become a teacher, author and toy maker. Friedrich’s experience as an educator led him to the conclusion that playtime can be very instructive; an essential part of a child’s education. He founded the first kindergarten for this purpose in 1837 in Blankenburg, Germany. This directed playtime led to his invention of a series of toys that were designed to stimulate learning. He called these toys, gifts. The mother of famous architect, Frank Lloyd Wright gave her son some of these gifts ... in the form of maple wood blocks. Wright often spoke of the value the gifts had brought him throughout his life. Nursery school and kindergarten as we know it are the direct results of the influence of _Friedrich Froebel_ (http://440.com/twtd/dxlnkgo2.html) . The _first public kindergarten_ (http://440.com/twtd/dxlnkgo1.html) in the U.S. was started by Conrad Poppenhusen in College Point, Queens, New York in 1870. (Now put your paper and paste away; it’s time to lie down on your mats, drink your room temp. milk and nap ).

Evergreen church cemetery vandalized EVERGREEN, La. (AP) — Authorities in the central Louisiana town of Evergreen are on the lookout for vandals who recently damaged graves at a historic church cemetery. KALB-TV reports that the damage was done on three different nights to more than 40 graves at the _Bayou Rouge Baptist Church_ (http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=news/crime&search=1&inlineLink=1& query="Bayou+Rouge+Baptist+Church") cemetery. Headstones were toppled over or broken. One is missing. The church was established in 1841. Some of the damaged monuments in the cemetery are more than a century old and will be difficult to repair or replace. "It is a disgrace that something like this takes place. It has to be a sick mind to do something like this," said resident _Stebo Pearce_ (http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=news/crime&search=1& inlineLink=1&query="Stebo+Pearce") . Evergreen Police Chief _Charles Mayeux_ (http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=news/crime&search=1&inlineLink=1&query="Char les+Mayeux") said he is determined to find the people responsible for the damage. "There is a lot of history up here, and a lot of people are upset. The word has got out on this, and we have a lot of people coming to the cemetery now to check on loved ones' graves," Mayeux said. Mayeaux said he is optimistic there will be justice. "I am going to catch them," he said. "It is not a matter of if I catch them. It's when I catch them. We are going to pursue this and we are going to push for the maximum penalties."

Good Afternoon, Looking for the death date of Diana Brunelle spouse of Hector Fontaine. The death is indexed in St-Pie, Bagot in 1920 on page 9 but the page is missing on Ancestry.com and doesn’t seem to be available yet on familysearch.org. It would be in the month of March 1920. Thanks in advance! Sue Gleason Lapeer Co., MI

Hi Renee, Three of your messages of 7 and 8 April 2014 overlapped each other, and I'd like to respond to each separately. This is the third, on the topic of Louise Pouliot. I was puzzled at first to see why you researched Pouliot in connection with Pierre Rancourt. When Fran identified the bride's name a ?, my response to her was that the family of this Pierre "is not it." And I mentioned that the Pierre Rancourt she described was married to Louise Pouliot. I should have added that the Pierre Rancourt I'm trying to identify was married in Maine to Sophie Marcoux, nee Pepin dite Lachance. Anyway, let me complete the picture for Pierre Rancourt and Louise Pouliot. I have the record of 11 Sep 1855 as photographed by Bob Chenard from microfilm at a Family History Center. Presumably, this image is from the original register retained at the parish, and the script is 'less hurried' than the writing in the Drouin copy. The record clearly shows "Louise" in both the margin and the body of the act. Thanks again for helping out on my Pierre Rancourt. Al Poulin On Apr 8, 2014, at 9:35 PM, Renee Cummings wrote: > Hi Al > > Here is the marriage of Pierre Rancourt to Pouliot > I think the given name of the bride is Rose. It's very difficult to read in > the record and Drouin left it out. > I can't find a Louise born to those parents. I can send you the record if > you want it > > Baptême St-Anselme-de-Lauzon 1837-08-22 Naissance : 1837-08-22 > > Acte du Fonds Drouin : d1p_7180212.jpg > > POULLIOT , ROSE Sujet sexe f. > > POULLIOT , LOUIS Père > > AUDET LAPOINTE , ROSE Mère > > ========================== > > Mariage St-Victor-de-Tring 1855-09-11 > > Acte du Fonds Drouin : d1p_7611271.jpg > > RANCOUR , PIERRE Sujet âge maj Ét. civ. célib. > > POULIOT , Sujet âge min Ét. civ. célib. > > RANCOUR , CHARLES Père de l'époux Résidence : ST VICTOR DE TRING > > PEPIN , LOUISE Mère de l'époux Résidence : ST VICTOR DE TRING > > POULIOT , LOUIS Père de l'épouse Résidence : ST VICTOR DE TRING décès > décédé > > AUDET LAPOINTE , ROSALIE Mère de l'épouse Résidence : ST VICTOR DE > TRING décès décédée > > ----------------------- > > Mariage St-François-de-Beauce (Beauceville) 1823-10-14 > > Acte du Fonds Drouin : d1p_07000463.jpg > > RANCOUR , CHARLES Sujet Résidence : BEAUCEVILLE âge maj Ét. civ. > célib. > > PEPIN , LOUISE Sujet Résidence : BEAUCEVILLE age min Ét. civ.célib > > > Good luck > Renee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Al Poulin [mailto:alfred.poulin@gmail.com] > Sent: April-08-14 3:15 PM > To: Renee Cummings > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Parents of Pierre Rancourt > > Hello Renee, > > Yes, thanks for checking. I received it via Quebec Research in the midst of > several other items. I am looking for a chance to look at the details; most > of it looks familiar, but not in the format that you used. After responding > to a couple of the other posts, it became bedtime. > > Question: Is your source 'Acte du Fonds Drouin' identical to > https://www.genealogiequebec.com/fr/ that other posters are using? I was > vaguely aware of Généalogie Québec, but I had not checked it out until > yesterday. It appears to be an umbrella with links to the Drouin data as > well as to a dozen or more other databases. So, do you subscribe directly to > Drouin or use it at a genealogical society in Quebec Province that has > access in-house? > > I have the Red Drouin on CD-ROM and have used the Blue Drouin for years via > the microfiche lending library at AFGS. That was a great help. But AFGS quit > the lending library last summer. > > Thank you again for your help. > > Al Poulin > > On Apr 8, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Renee Cummings wrote: > >> did you get this reply I posted yesterday? >> Renee >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Renee Cummings [mailto:rcummi1123@rogers.com] >> Sent: April-07-14 8:37 PM >> To: 'Al Poulin'; 'QUEBEC-RESEARCH@rootsweb.com' >> Subject: RE: [Q-R] Parents of Pierre Rancourt >> >> Hi Al >> >> I can't find a son name Pierre. Edouard seems to be the only one to >> survived infancy. >> >> 1) Etienne was born 1807-11-19 bapt : 1807-11-19 And died 1807-12-02 : >> 1807-12-03 burial >> >> 2) Charles Sépulture Québec 1809-09-12 Décès : 1809-09-11 age >> >> 3) Baptême Québec 1812-05-04 Naissance : 1812-05-03 RENCOURS , >> EDOUARD sexe m >> >> 4) Baptême St-Jean-François-Régis (St-Philippe) 1814-04-20 Naissance : >> 1814-04-17 >> RANCOURT , JEAN Sujet sexe m. >> Sépulture Montréal 1814-06-26 Décès : 1814-06-25 RANCOUR ,JEAN âge 7 mo. >> >> This is Edouard who married in 1832 >> >> Mariage >> Trois-Rivières 1832-10-08 >> >> Acte du Fonds Drouin : >> d1p_25410784.jpg >> >> RANCOUR , EDOUARD Sujet Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES âge min Ét. civ. >> célib. >> >> BERNARD , MARIE Sujet Résidence : INDETERMINE âge min Ét. civ. célib. >> >> RANCOUR , CHARLES Père de l'époux Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES >> >> BELILE , LOUISE Mère de l'époux Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES >> >> BERNARD , AUGUSTIN Père de l'épouse Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES >> décès décédé >> >> FRANCOEUR , MARIE ANNE Mère de l'épouse Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES >> >> Source Acte du Fonds Drouin : >> >> Belisle is a dit name for Germain >> Good luck >> Renee >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: quebec-research-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:quebec-research-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Poulin >> Sent: April-07-14 5:20 PM >> To: QUEBEC-RESEARCH@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Q-R] Parents of Pierre Rancourt >> >> Did Charles Rancourt and Louise Germain dite Belisle who married in >> Trois-Rivières 3 Feb 1806 have a son named Pierre? >> >> If so, what happened to this family? They had several children, at >> least one who died in infancy, and Edouard Rancour who married in >> Trois-Rivières on 8 Oct 1832 with parents "of this parish" who were not > given as present. >> Several records mention Charles as a soldier. He was originally from >> St.-François-de-Beauce. >> >> In Canada, I have found no marriage record for Pierre, nor death >> records for this family. In Maine, the 1860 Federal census of >> Waterville, Maine places an elderly Charles (age 94?) in the home of >> 'Peter Ranco,' age 41. On 13 Oct >> 1865 in Waterville, Pierre Rancourt had son Louis-Jos. whose godfather >> Louis Rancourt was the nephew of the same Charles Rancourt who had >> married Louise Germain. These two records suggest, but do not prove, >> that Pierre was the son of this Charles. >> >> Al Poulin >> >

Hello Again Renee, Three of your messages of 7 and 8 April 2014 overlapped each other, and I'd like to respond to each separately. This is the second, on the topic of Pierre Rancourt, brother of Charles. You mentioned the brothers Charles and Pierre Rancourt. With so many members of families who carried identical first names, it does get confusing. But this Pierre is not the one who married Sophie Marcoux nee Pepin dite Lachance in Maine. Looking at my original post in this thread, I'll expand the picture now. The Pierre who married Marguerite Maheu had a son Louis who went to Waterville, Maine. Louis and his spouse Catherine Vachon-Pomerleau became godparents of Louis-Joseph Rancourt, a child of the younger Pierre Rancourt and Sophie Marcoux. In 1860, the younger Pierre had an elderly Charles Rancourt in his household. The fact that the elder Louis had an uncle named Charles suggests the possibility that the elderly Charles living with the younger Pierre was in fact his uncle. The younger Pierre (if actually a son of Charles Rancourt and Louise Germain) and the elder Louis would have been first cousins. This would serve as the traditional family connection for a godfather/godson relationship. For a time, they lived as very close neighbors. A family tree published in Waterville, Maine suggested, with some caution, that the Pierre Rancourt who married Sophie Marcoux might have been a son of Charles Rancourt and Catherine Pepin-Lachance. But there is no known birth of a Pierre to this couple. Fran was correct on that. And there is no known 'Louis' related to that family on either side. Besides, there is another problem. A marriage of such a Pierre would have meant he married a first cousin once removed, Sophie Marcoux nee Pepin dite Lachance. I think that is unlikely. Al Poulin On Apr 8, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Renee Cummings wrote: > > In my posting I gave you Edouard's marriage, did you see it? All the other > children died in infancy. > > Yes I have a sub to Genealogie Quebec > > I have the CD for Red Drouin and also a sub to PRDH. I'm from Ontario and do > not have an in house access of Blue Drouin:) > Red Drouin has a number of error but not as bad as Le Tanguay. > > Also Charles Rancourt had a brother Pierre who married Marguerite Maheux in > 1804 Could it be te Pierre you are looking for? > > Mariage > St-François-de-Beauce (Beauceville) 1804-08-20 > > Acte du Fonds Drouin : > d1p_07000165.jpg > > RANCOUR , PIERRE Sujet âge maj Et. civ.célib. > > MAHEUX , MARGUERITE Sujet âge min Ét. civ. célib. > > RANCOUR , JOSEPH Père de l'époux Résidence : BEAUCEVILLE décès décédé > > > VEILLEUX , THERESE Mère de l'époux Résidence : BEAUCEVILLE > > MAHEUX , LOUIS Père de l'épouse Résidence : BEAUCEVILLE > > BUSE , MARGUERITE Mère de l'épouse Résidence : BEAUCEVILLE > > Good luck > Renee > > -----Original Message----- > From: Al Poulin [mailto:alfred.poulin@gmail.com] > Sent: April-08-14 3:15 PM > To: Renee Cummings > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Parents of Pierre Rancourt > > Hello Renee, > > Yes, thanks for checking. I received it via Quebec Research in the midst of > several other items. I am looking for a chance to look at the details; most > of it looks familiar, but not in the format that you used. After responding > to a couple of the other posts, it became bedtime. > > Question: Is your source 'Acte du Fonds Drouin' identical to > https://www.genealogiequebec.com/fr/ that other posters are using? I was > vaguely aware of Généalogie Québec, but I had not checked it out until > yesterday. It appears to be an umbrella with links to the Drouin data as > well as to a dozen or more other databases. So, do you subscribe directly to > Drouin or use it at a genealogical society in Quebec Province that has > access in-house? > > I have the Red Drouin on CD-ROM and have used the Blue Drouin for years via > the microfiche lending library at AFGS. That was a great help. But AFGS quit > the lending library last summer. > > Thank you again for your help. > > Al Poulin > > On Apr 8, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Renee Cummings wrote: > >> did you get this reply I posted yesterday? >> Renee >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Renee Cummings [mailto:rcummi1123@rogers.com] >> Sent: April-07-14 8:37 PM >> To: 'Al Poulin'; 'QUEBEC-RESEARCH@rootsweb.com' >> Subject: RE: [Q-R] Parents of Pierre Rancourt >> >> Hi Al >> >> I can't find a son name Pierre. Edouard seems to be the only one to >> survived infancy. >> >> 1) Etienne was born 1807-11-19 bapt : 1807-11-19 And died 1807-12-02 : >> 1807-12-03 burial >> >> 2) Charles Sépulture Québec 1809-09-12 Décès : 1809-09-11 age >> >> 3) Baptême Québec 1812-05-04 Naissance : 1812-05-03 RENCOURS , >> EDOUARD sexe m >> >> 4) Baptême St-Jean-François-Régis (St-Philippe) 1814-04-20 Naissance : >> 1814-04-17 >> RANCOURT , JEAN Sujet sexe m. >> Sépulture Montréal 1814-06-26 Décès : 1814-06-25 RANCOUR ,JEAN âge 7 mo. >> >> This is Edouard who married in 1832 >> >> Mariage >> Trois-Rivières 1832-10-08 >> >> Acte du Fonds Drouin : >> d1p_25410784.jpg >> >> RANCOUR , EDOUARD Sujet Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES âge min Ét. civ. >> célib. >> >> BERNARD , MARIE Sujet Résidence : INDETERMINE âge min Ét. civ. célib. >> >> RANCOUR , CHARLES Père de l'époux Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES >> >> BELILE , LOUISE Mère de l'époux Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES >> >> BERNARD , AUGUSTIN Père de l'épouse Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES >> décès décédé >> >> FRANCOEUR , MARIE ANNE Mère de l'épouse Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES >> >> Source Acte du Fonds Drouin : >> >> Belisle is a dit name for Germain >> Good luck >> Renee >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: quebec-research-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:quebec-research-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Poulin >> Sent: April-07-14 5:20 PM >> To: QUEBEC-RESEARCH@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Q-R] Parents of Pierre Rancourt >> >> Did Charles Rancourt and Louise Germain dite Belisle who married in >> Trois-Rivières 3 Feb 1806 have a son named Pierre? >> >> If so, what happened to this family? They had several children, at >> least one who died in infancy, and Edouard Rancour who married in >> Trois-Rivières on 8 Oct 1832 with parents "of this parish" who were not > given as present. >> Several records mention Charles as a soldier. He was originally from >> St.-François-de-Beauce. >> >> In Canada, I have found no marriage record for Pierre, nor death >> records for this family. In Maine, the 1860 Federal census of >> Waterville, Maine places an elderly Charles (age 94?) in the home of >> 'Peter Ranco,' age 41. On 13 Oct >> 1865 in Waterville, Pierre Rancourt had son Louis-Jos. whose godfather >> Louis Rancourt was the nephew of the same Charles Rancourt who had >> married Louise Germain. These two records suggest, but do not prove, >> that Pierre was the son of this Charles. >> >> Al Poulin >> >

Hello Renee, Three of your messages of 7 and 8 April 2014 overlapped each other, and I'd like to respond to each separately. This is the first, on the topic of the children of Charles Rancourt and Louise Germain dite Belisle. I already had the record images for five of the acts. I had found them mostly by browsing in Ancestry.com for the records from Trois-Rivières. But you gave me a great addition in item 4) for Jean, born at St-Philippe in Laprairie and died at Notre-Dame, Montréal in 1814. The exciting part is that Charles Rancourt, the father, was "Soldat Fencible actuellement en cette paroisse." This confirms that Charles was enrolled in the 'Canadian Regiment of Fencible Infantry.' I had only a strong suspicion of that as reflected in my Q-R email "Name of Regiment and Mother's Name" on 7 April. By the way, I understand the data on Edouard being from Fonds Drouin, but did you find the other information in PRDH? Thanks, Al Poulin > . On Apr 7, 2014, at 8:36 PM, Renee Cummings wrote: > Hi Al > > I can't find a son name Pierre. Edouard seems to be the only one to survived > infancy. > > 1) Etienne was born 1807-11-19 bapt : 1807-11-19 > And died 1807-12-02 : 1807-12-03 burial > > 2) Charles Sépulture Québec 1809-09-12 Décès : 1809-09-11 age > > 3) Baptême Québec 1812-05-04 Naissance : 1812-05-03 > RENCOURS , EDOUARD sexe m > > 4) Baptême St-Jean-François-Régis (St-Philippe) 1814-04-20 Naissance : > 1814-04-17 > RANCOURT , JEAN Sujet sexe m. > Sépulture Montréal 1814-06-26 Décès : 1814-06-25 > RANCOUR ,JEAN âge 7 mo. > > This is Edouard who married in 1832 > > Mariage > Trois-Rivières 1832-10-08 > > Acte du Fonds Drouin : > d1p_25410784.jpg > > RANCOUR , EDOUARD Sujet Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES âge min Ét. civ. > célib. > > BERNARD , MARIE Sujet Résidence : INDETERMINE âge min Ét. civ. célib. > > RANCOUR , CHARLES Père de l'époux Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES > > BELILE , LOUISE Mère de l'époux Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES > > BERNARD , AUGUSTIN Père de l'épouse Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES décès > décédé > > FRANCOEUR , MARIE ANNE Mère de l'épouse Résidence : TROIS RIVIERES > > Source Acte du Fonds Drouin : > > Belisle is a dit name for Germain > Good luck > Renee > > -----Original Message----- > From: quebec-research-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:quebec-research-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Al Poulin > Sent: April-07-14 5:20 PM > To: QUEBEC-RESEARCH@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Q-R] Parents of Pierre Rancourt > > Did Charles Rancourt and Louise Germain dite Belisle who married in > Trois-Rivières 3 Feb 1806 have a son named Pierre? > > If so, what happened to this family? They had several children, at least one > who died in infancy, and Edouard Rancour who married in Trois-Rivières on 8 > Oct 1832 with parents "of this parish" who were not given as present. > Several records mention Charles as a soldier. He was originally from > St.-François-de-Beauce. > > In Canada, I have found no marriage record for Pierre, nor death records for > this family. In Maine, the 1860 Federal census of Waterville, Maine places > an elderly Charles (age 94?) in the home of 'Peter Ranco,' age 41. On 13 Oct > 1865 in Waterville, Pierre Rancourt had son Louis-Jos. whose godfather Louis > Rancourt was the nephew of the same Charles Rancourt who had married Louise > Germain. These two records suggest, but do not prove, that Pierre was the > son of this Charles. > > Al Poulin >

Just to let all the Rival Belleroses know that Theodore Bellerose died last thursday evening, 17 Apr 2014. We have all lost a very good friend always willing to help.

I'm so very sorry about your loss. My prayers go out to you and the family. Please take care. . . Luella On Apr 21, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Henry Belrose wrote: Just to let all the Rival Belleroses know that Theodore Bellerose died last thursday evening, 17 Apr 2014. We have all lost a very good friend always willing to help. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Selma, More precisely, I should have said "other members of Ernest Michaud's ancestors's family," Ernest having been your brother in law. That's nice work you are doing for his children. Al Poulin Begin forwarded message: > From: Al Poulin <alfred.poulin@gmail.com> > Date: April 21, 2014 8:08:50 AM EDT > To: QUEBEC-RESEARCH@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Pierre Poulin but > > Good morning Selma: > > Notice that the marginal entry is "de St. Joseph. The reference is to the fact that the family was from the neighboring parish of St. Joseph-de-Beauce as were other members of our ancestor's family at that time. The traditional phrase "de cette paroisse" is omitted, but the curé was not in the habit of using that phrase anyway. > > Al Poulin > > On Apr 21, 2014, at 2:33 AM, Doreen O wrote: > >> It would seem to refer to the addition of Joseph as baptism name which was omitted from the text. >> >> Father was Charles Poulin and mother was Marie Angelique Vachon >> Pierre Poirier, an uncle, was the godfather and godmother was Marie Genevieve Boutilette. >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Selma Grant" <selma_grant@yahoo.com> >> To: "Quebec-Research" <Quebec-Research-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:49:17 PM >> Subject: [Q-R] Pierre Poulin but >> >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-28027-7504-86?cc=1321742&wc=MHBY-H3N:13625201,13625202,13625203 >> What is the infor under Pierre Poulin ??Joseph?? >> Selma >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm >> And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ >> List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Selma if you look on the bottom left side of the page for the baptism of Helene Lessard, you will see the "de St.Joseph" there as well as Al explained to you. Don , alfred.poulin@gmail.com writes: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-28027-7504-86?cc=1321742&wc=MH BY-H3N:13625201,13625202,13625203

Dick, There is an ESDRAS Dionne married to a Rose De Lima Rocheleau 23 Nov 1868 at St-Zephirin-de-Courval Esdras was born 1843 they had a son Louis born 23 May 1883 at St-Zephirin (mother is listed as Delima Rocheleau on baptismal record) parents of Esdras Louis Eloi Dionne & Elisabeth Fontaine Delima'sparents are Calixte Rocheleau & Josephte Richer Don In a message dated 4/20/2014 9:07:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, candd@metrocast.net writes: I am looking for the marriage of Isaac Dionne to Delina Rocheleau. They have a son Louis who marries Laura Boucher in Penacook N.H., Jun 11, 1905. The census records puts Isaac's birth at 1844. I believe he may be the George Dionne located in the 1871 census of St. Joseph, Levis, Q.C.. pg. 42 ( pg. 22 on Ancestry) Dick Aubé ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning Selma: Notice that the marginal entry is "de St. Joseph. The reference is to the fact that the family was from the neighboring parish of St. Joseph-de-Beauce as were other members of our ancestor's family at that time. The traditional phrase "de cette paroisse" is omitted, but the curé was not in the habit of using that phrase anyway. Al Poulin On Apr 21, 2014, at 2:33 AM, Doreen O wrote: > It would seem to refer to the addition of Joseph as baptism name which was omitted from the text. > > Father was Charles Poulin and mother was Marie Angelique Vachon > Pierre Poirier, an uncle, was the godfather and godmother was Marie Genevieve Boutilette. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Selma Grant" <selma_grant@yahoo.com> > To: "Quebec-Research" <Quebec-Research-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:49:17 PM > Subject: [Q-R] Pierre Poulin but > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-28027-7504-86?cc=1321742&wc=MHBY-H3N:13625201,13625202,13625203 > What is the infor under Pierre Poulin ??Joseph?? > Selma > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > And we are on facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/QRlist/ > List Archives are at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/QUEBEC-RESEARCH > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well I was way off the beam on the "Joseph" entry and since that isn't what you were looking for, perhaps this will help: It is the marriage at Beauceville, Parish of St-Francois on 20 August 1816 of Jean Poulin adult s/o Charles Poulin & Angelique Vachon dite Pomerleau of St-Joseph of the first part; and Marie Louise Cressac minor d/o Charles Cressac dit Toulouse & Therese Quirion of this parish. PRDH shows that there was a marriage at St-Francoise-de-Beauce in 1787 between Charles Cressac Toulouse & Therese Quirion Daniel. PRDH also shows that the marriage of Charles Poulin & Marie Angelique Vachon Pomerleau took place at the same parish in 1781. http://interactive.ancestry.ca/1091/d13p_7000338/2608206?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.ca%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3ddrouinvitals%26rank%3d1%26new%3d1%26MSAV%3d0%26msT%3d1%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dJean%26gsln%3dPoulin%26msgpn__ftp%3dQuebec%252c%2bCanada%26msgpn%3d5009%26msgpn_PInfo%3d5-%257c0%257c1652393%257c0%257c3243%257c0%257c5009%257c0%257c0%257c0%257c0%257c%26uidh%3dap3%26mssng0%3dLouise%26mssns0%3dToulouse%26pcat%3dDROUINCOLLECTION%26fh%3d2%26h%3d2608206%26recoff%3d4%2b5%2b20%2b31%26ml_rpos%3d3&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnRecord Cheers! Doreen ==================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doreen O" <grandeebc@shaw.ca> To: "Selma Grant" <selma_grant@yahoo.com> Cc: "Quebec-Research" <Quebec-Research-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 11:33:56 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Pierre Poulin but It would seem to refer to the addition of Joseph as baptism name which was omitted from the text. Father was Charles Poulin and mother was Marie Angelique Vachon Pierre Poirier, an uncle, was the godfather and godmother was Marie Genevieve Boutilette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Selma Grant" <selma_grant@yahoo.com> To: "Quebec-Research" <Quebec-Research-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:49:17 PM Subject: [Q-R] Pierre Poulin but https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-28027-7504-86?cc=1321742&wc=MHBY-H3N:13625201,13625202,13625203 What is the infor under Pierre Poulin ??Joseph?? Selma

It would seem to refer to the addition of Joseph as baptism name which was omitted from the text. Father was Charles Poulin and mother was Marie Angelique Vachon Pierre Poirier, an uncle, was the godfather and godmother was Marie Genevieve Boutilette. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Selma Grant" <selma_grant@yahoo.com> To: "Quebec-Research" <Quebec-Research-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:49:17 PM Subject: [Q-R] Pierre Poulin but https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-28027-7504-86?cc=1321742&wc=MHBY-H3N:13625201,13625202,13625203 What is the infor under Pierre Poulin ??Joseph?? Selma