Yes Andre was un enfant Naturel Andre was adopted by Rene Siret dit Lafleur & Anne Fayet. residents of Beauport, Andre dit Jean Paradis is the son of Jean & Claude Damizé wife of Pierre Perthius. Anne fayet was born about 1651 in the parish of Saint-Laurent in Paris, the daughter of Denis Fayet and Marie Guilbert. She left for Canada in 1670 at about age 19, bringing with her goods worth an estimated 200 livres for her dowry. On 08 September 1670, Anne married René Siret dit Lafleur at Québec city,the marriage contract drawn up 24 August by notary Becquet. René was born about 1631 in the Paris of Saint-André in Bournezeau (arrondissement de La-Roche-sur-Yon, diocese of Luçon) Poitou, the son of Pierre Siret and Marie Ducos. René and Anne settled at Beauport, but did not have any children. Anne Fayet died at Beauport after 07 January 1697. René Siret dit Lafleur died 26 February 1718 and was buried the same day at Beauport. (King's Daughter and Founding Mothers by Peter J. Gagné) I found two PRDH bapt. certificat for the same person, but they differ 1) one says Bapt in Montreal the other Pointe aux-Trembles.. 2) the certificat numbers are different 3)One says registered in Montreal the other in Point-aux-Trembles 4)Where did the bapt actually take place? 5)who was the priest..they are different.? 6)even that bapt dates are different:) 7) in one the parents are married in the other they are not Andre dit Jean Paradis was born out of wedlock to the couple so they were not married and never married to each other. If those are to remain as such in PRDH maybe they should be hyperlink with an explanation. Please advise, Thank you (see below for the cert.) Renée Cummings ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The Repertory of vital events has to show the information as it appears in the original documents. Unless we misread them, this is how the baptism was registered. Given the time period, I would think the baptism took place in Pointe-aux-Trembles and was transcribed from a loose leaf in both registers sometime after the fact. Each version has a comment mentionning the same event was registered in another register. The Webmaster PRDH 99744 PRDH Baptism Montréal 1676-03-03 01 ANDRE PARADIS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 02 JEAN PARADIS FATHER OF 01 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 03 CLAUDE DAMISE MOTHER OF 01 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 04 ANDRE CARRIERE Occupation : HABITANT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 05 JEANNE COLLET SPOUSE OF 06 Residence : COTE STE-ANNE, ILE DE MONTREAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 06 GREGOIRE SYMON SPOUSE OF 05 Occupation : HABITANT Residence : COTE STE-ANNE, ILE DE MONTREAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 07 GILLES PEROT Occupation : PRETRE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- • CET ACTE EST AUSSI ENREGISTRE DANS LA PAROISSE DE POINTE-AUX-TREMBLES ===================== Bapteme certificate no. 10056 Pointe-aux-Trembles 1676-03-23 01 ANDRE PARADIS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 02 JEAN PARADIS FATHER OF 01 SPOUSE OF 03 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 03 CLAUDE TAMISE MOTHER OF 01 SPOUSE OF 02 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 04 ANDRE CARIERE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 05 JEANNE COLLETSPOUSE OF 06 Residence : COTE-STE-ANNE, ILE DE MONTREAL DE CETTE PAROISSE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 06 GREGOIRE SIMON SPOUSE OF 05 Residence : COTE-STE-ANNE, ILE DE MONTREAL DE CETTE PAROISSE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 07 MICHEL BARTHELEMY Occupation : PRETRE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- • CET ACTE EST AUSSI ENREGISTRE DANS LA PAROISSE DE MONTREAL ========================== 171315 Burial Beauport (Civil archives) 1745-10-12 Death :1745-10-11 01 ANDRE PARADIS 073 --- d m ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 02 CHARLES VALLEE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 03 JOSEPH CHARBONNEAU ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 04 CHARDON Occupation : PRETRE ======================= Couple 77345 Marriage Beauport (Civil archives) 1697-01-07 01 JEAN PARADIS DECLARED NOT BEING ABLE TO SIGN Residence : BEAUPORT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 02 MARGUERITE MENARD DECLARED NOT BEING ABLE TO SIGN Residence : BEAUPORT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 03 JEAN PARADIS FATHER OF 01 Residence : CHARLESBOURG ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 04 RENE CYRET ADOPTIVE FATHER OF 01 SPOUSE OF 05 Residence : BEAUPORT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 05 ANNE FAYET ADOPTIVE MOTHER OF 01 SPOUSE OF 04 Residence : BEAUPORT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 06 JACQUES MENARD FATHER OF 02 SPOUSE OF 07 Residence : BEAUPORT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 07 MARIE MADELEINE BAUGIS MOTHER OF 02 SPOUSE OF 06 Residence : BEAUPORT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 08 VINCENT VACHON Occupation : HABITANT Residence : BEAUPORT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 09 NICOLAS DURAND Residence : BEAUPORT --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 10 MICHEL BAUGIS Residence : BEAUPORT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 11 E BOULLARD Occupation : PRETRE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- • L'EPOUX DEMEURE CHEZ SES PARENTS ADOPTIFS "DEPUIS SON ENFANCE" • LE NOM DE LA MERE DE L'EPOUX A ETE LAISSE EN BLANC **the Groom lived with his adotive parents since chilhood. **the name of the mother for the groom was left blank -----Original Message----- From: Claire Goyette [mailto:clg721@charter.net] Sent: February 27, 2005 3:20 PM To: QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [QUEBEC] PARADIS or PERTHUIS & DAMISE I have a Jean Paradis married to Claude Damise arounf 1675. They have a son Andre that was baptized in Montreal on 3 March 1676 and in Point-aux-Trembles on 23 March 1676, according to PRDH. Seems like Claude was not married to Jean but was married to Pierre Perthuis on 10 Dec 1668. She had several children (11) with Pierre, none named Andre. Jean Paradis married Jeanne Paquet on 5 Feb 1679 and his marriage record in PRDH does not indicate he is a widower. Claude Damise died 10 June 1705. Is it possible that Andre is "un enfant naturel"? Thanks for any help. ClaireG "Even if you are on the right track, you'll still get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers All outgoing mail is virus free. Scanned by Norton AntiVirus Professional Edition 2003 ClaireG