thank you Suzanne, for the information. It always annoys me when information is stretched to make a match. With what you have found, I agree , that Michel is the likely candidate for fatherhood in these cases. What tips the scale for me is the fact that in his will, Pierre makes no statement of children, dead or alive. you should know that your material you referred to was one of the first items I " harvested" in my search for Pierre. so it looks like the Faribault information is mostely wishfull thinking?'' Thanks so much for your help Fran W