Hello, In all these years I have never been able to find my great grandmothers baptism in Quebec. I would have tried the PRDH but it says it stops at 1799. I tried all sorts of angles searching the indexes and any close matched page images on ancestry.com for the Drouin collection. Her name was some form of Mary Alexandrine Lefebvre. I have seen Alexandrine spelled Alexandrina also, and I have seen her recorded as just Alexandrina at times also. Per her NYS death certificate she was born August 15, 1879. Her parents were Clement Lefebvre born 1825 in St Phillippe (I don't have my notes in front of me) and her mother was Cesarie Martin (also Son dit St Martin) who I think was born in St Constant in 1829. They lived in St Phillippe and were married at St Remi I believe. I have found all the info for her parents, and their ancestors, but not for her. Her 1942 death certificate said she was born in Montreal, but it said her parents were born in Montreal also which was not the case. She did get married in Montreal in 1897 however, I believe at St Anns in Griffintown where my great grandfather DH McAlonie was a member. Every document I have seen says she was born in Canada, however, her family was located in Troy, NY by the 1880 US census, in which her father is indexed as Clements Lefebre, and, according to the kids names and dates, I cant clearly tell which one is supposed to be her. Perhaps she was adopted? Name Age Clements Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=4811473> 55 Sarah Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=4218585> 50 Julia Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=4811593> 16 Mary Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=39274237> 18 Emma Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=39274352> 9 Alderic Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=3749828> 11 Joseph Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=4218661> 14 Alexander Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=4811599> 7 Andrew Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=39274431> 2 Just wondering if some kind sole could throw me a bone and give me a hint on how to sort this all out and find her birth. I'm trying to do a family tree for my son. Thank you for any help offered. Best regards, Michael

Michael, I found this in BMS Probably siblings of your great grandmother Adele Lefebvre d/o Clement & Cesarie Martin mar. Jan 09 1878 at Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal to Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou w/o Marie-Louise Chartrand Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou, s/o Leon & Odile Bertrand mar. 1873-10-20 St-Henri Montreal Marie-Louise Chartrand d/o Francois & Mathilde Bisson or could this be your great-grandmother Marie Lefebvre (same parents) mar. 1879-10-21 at Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal David Barsalou s/o Leon & Adele Chartrand. This might help you find her in that area. If her mother was born in 1829 she would have been 50 when Mary-Alexandrine was born in 1879 so I think it's the wrong year and maybe it was the year of her marriage in 1879 (See Marie above) Please check your note to verify the info you gave us. Something doesn't seem to add up here-( Good luck Renee -----Original Message----- From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Michael McAlonie Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:51 PM To: Quebec List Subject: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre Hello, In all these years I have never been able to find my great grandmothers baptism in Quebec. I would have tried the PRDH but it says it stops at 1799. I tried all sorts of angles searching the indexes and any close matched page images on ancestry.com for the Drouin collection. Her name was some form of Mary Alexandrine Lefebvre. I have seen Alexandrine spelled Alexandrina also, and I have seen her recorded as just Alexandrina at times also. Per her NYS death certificate she was born August 15, 1879. Her parents were Clement Lefebvre born 1825 in St Phillippe (I don't have my notes in front of me) and her mother was Cesarie Martin (also Son dit St Martin) who I think was born in St Constant in 1829. They lived in St Phillippe and were married at St Remi I believe. I have found all the info for her parents, and their ancestors, but not for her. Her 1942 death certificate said she was born in Montreal, but it said her parents were born in Montreal also which was not ! the case. She did get married in Montreal in 1897 however, I believe at St Anns in Griffintown where my great grandfather DH McAlonie was a member. Every document I have seen says she was born in Canada, however, her family was located in Troy, NY by the 1880 US census, in which her father is indexed as Clements Lefebre, and, according to the kids names and dates, I cant clearly tell which one is supposed to be her. Perhaps she was adopted? Name Age Clements Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=4811473> 55 Sarah Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=4218585> 50 Julia Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=4811593> 16 Mary Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=39274237> 18 Emma Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=39274352> 9 Alderic Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=3749828> 11 Joseph Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=4218661> 14 Alexander Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=4811599> 7 Andrew Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=39274431> 2 Just wondering if some kind sole could throw me a bone and give me a hint on how to sort this all out and find her birth. I'm trying to do a family tree for my son. Thank you for any help offered. Best regards, Michael . . Search the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC . Browse the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ . A link to a favorite site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Renee, Thank you for your help. This is interesting. I just looked up the 1897 marriage, at Saint Ann Montreal, my great grandfather is indexed as Dan H McAlonce in ancestry.com index. It does list Clement and Cesarie as Alexandrina's parents, but perhaps they are grand parents or some other relation, seems more likely, I agree. I should not be so quick to say that, as my own father was 50 and mother 46 when I was born! HHmm. However I will check St Cunegonde for Mary Alexandrines in 1879 to some other last names, like Barselou. Seeing as she would have siblings born in the early 1850s, I thought 1879 sounded late to be a sibling of Clements children. Thank you so much for looking. I appreciate your help. I just want to figure this out. As I was growing up, I was told that my great grandmother Lefebvre was part Cree Indian. I have traced all branches of her parents families (Clement and Cesarie, if they are her parents) back to French immigrants and I see no indication of Metis ancestry. So If these are not her actual parents I can understand that now. How were illegitimate children recorded in the church records back then? Thanks to anyone who helps me sort this out, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Renee Cummings<mailto:rcummi1123@rogers.com> To: quebec@rootsweb.com<mailto:quebec@rootsweb.com> ; mmcalonie@msn.com<mailto:mmcalonie@msn.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre Michael, I found this in BMS Probably siblings of your great grandmother Adele Lefebvre d/o Clement & Cesarie Martin mar. Jan 09 1878 at Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal to Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou w/o Marie-Louise Chartrand Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou, s/o Leon & Odile Bertrand mar. 1873-10-20 St-Henri Montreal Marie-Louise Chartrand d/o Francois & Mathilde Bisson or could this be your great-grandmother Marie Lefebvre (same parents) mar. 1879-10-21 at Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal David Barsalou s/o Leon & Adele Chartrand. This might help you find her in that area. If her mother was born in 1829 she would have been 50 when Mary-Alexandrine was born in 1879 so I think it's the wrong year and maybe it was the year of her marriage in 1879 (See Marie above) Please check your note to verify the info you gave us. Something doesn't seem to add up here-( Good luck Renee -----Original Message----- From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Michael McAlonie Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:51 PM To: Quebec List Subject: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre Hello, In all these years I have never been able to find my great grandmothers baptism in Quebec. I would have tried the PRDH but it says it stops at 1799. I tried all sorts of angles searching the indexes and any close matched page images on ancestry.com for the Drouin collection. Her name was some form of Mary Alexandrine Lefebvre. I have seen Alexandrine spelled Alexandrina also, and I have seen her recorded as just Alexandrina at times also. Per her NYS death certificate she was born August 15, 1879. Her parents were Clement Lefebvre born 1825 in St Phillippe (I don't have my notes in front of me) and her mother was Cesarie Martin (also Son dit St Martin) who I think was born in St Constant in 1829. They lived in St Phillippe and were married at St Remi I believe. I have found all the info for her parents, and their ancestors, but not for her. Her 1942 death certificate said she was born in Montreal, but it said her parents were born in Montreal also which was not ! the case. She did get married in Montreal in 1897 however, I believe at St Anns in Griffintown where my great grandfather DH McAlonie was a member. Every document I have seen says she was born in Canada, however, her family was located in Troy, NY by the 1880 US census, in which her father is indexed as Clements Lefebre, and, according to the kids names and dates, I cant clearly tell which one is supposed to be her. Perhaps she was adopted? Name Age

Hi Michael; I see that in the Troy, N.Y. 1880 census, there is an Alexander Lefebvre, born in Canada in 1874 (was 7 yrs old at the time) among the children of Clements (sic) Lefebvre.. Perhaps that was Alexandrine/Alexandrina with the name and gender incorrectly recorded, or was there really an Alexander, male born to Clement and Césarie? I found Julia (Julie) born in St-Isidore in 1862, and Emma in St-Rémi in 1871, so the ages are correctly listed. Couldn't find Alexander, nor Andrew, 2 yrs old, both born in Canada. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael McAlonie" <mmcalonie@msn.com> To: <quebec@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre > Renee, > Thank you for your help. This is interesting. I just looked up the > 1897 marriage, at Saint Ann Montreal, my great grandfather is indexed > as Dan H McAlonce in ancestry.com index. It does list Clement and > Cesarie as Alexandrina's parents, but perhaps they are grand parents > or some other relation, seems more likely, I agree. I should not be > so quick to say that, as my own father was 50 and mother 46 when I was > born! HHmm. However I will check St Cunegonde for Mary > Alexandrines in 1879 to some other last names, like Barselou. Seeing > as she would have siblings born in the early 1850s, I thought 1879 > sounded late to be a sibling of Clements children. > > Thank you so much for looking. I appreciate your help. I just want > to figure this out. As I was growing up, I was told that my great > grandmother Lefebvre was part Cree Indian. I have traced all branches > of her parents families (Clement and Cesarie, if they are her parents) > back to French immigrants and I see no indication of Metis ancestry. > So If these are not her actual parents I can understand that now. > > How were illegitimate children recorded in the church records back > then? > > Thanks to anyone who helps me sort this out, > Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Renee Cummings<mailto:rcummi1123@rogers.com> > To: quebec@rootsweb.com<mailto:quebec@rootsweb.com> ; > mmcalonie@msn.com<mailto:mmcalonie@msn.com> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:51 PM > Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre > > > Michael, I found this in BMS > Probably siblings of your great grandmother > Adele Lefebvre d/o Clement & Cesarie Martin mar. Jan 09 1878 at > Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal to Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou w/o > Marie-Louise Chartrand > > Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou, s/o Leon & Odile Bertrand mar. 1873-10-20 > St-Henri Montreal Marie-Louise Chartrand d/o Francois & Mathilde > Bisson > > or could this be your great-grandmother > Marie Lefebvre (same parents) mar. 1879-10-21 at Ste-Cunegonde, > Montreal > David Barsalou s/o Leon & Adele Chartrand. > > This might help you find her in that area. If her mother was born in > 1829 > she would have been 50 when Mary-Alexandrine was born in 1879 so I > think > it's the wrong year and maybe it was the year of her marriage in 1879 > (See > Marie above) Please check your note to verify the info you gave us. > Something doesn't seem to add up here-( > > Good luck > Renee > > -----Original Message----- > From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com> > [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of Michael McAlonie > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:51 PM > To: Quebec List > Subject: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre > > > Hello, > In all these years I have never been able to find my great > grandmothers > baptism in Quebec. I would have tried the PRDH but it says it stops > at > 1799. I tried all sorts of angles searching the indexes and any > close > matched page images on ancestry.com for the Drouin collection. Her > name was > some form of Mary Alexandrine Lefebvre. I have seen Alexandrine > spelled > Alexandrina also, and I have seen her recorded as just Alexandrina at > times > also. Per her NYS death certificate she was born August 15, 1879. > Her > parents were Clement Lefebvre born 1825 in St Phillippe (I don't have > my > notes in front of me) and her mother was Cesarie Martin (also Son dit > St > Martin) who I think was born in St Constant in 1829. They lived in > St > Phillippe and were married at St Remi I believe. I have found all > the info > for her parents, and their ancestors, but not for her. Her 1942 > death > certificate said she was born in Montreal, but it said her parents > were born > in Montreal also which was not ! > the case. She did get married in Montreal in 1897 however, I > believe at St > Anns in Griffintown where my great grandfather DH McAlonie was a > member. > Every document I have seen says she was born in Canada, however, her > family > was located in Troy, NY by the 1880 US census, in which her father is > indexed as Clements Lefebre, and, according to the kids names and > dates, I > cant clearly tell which one is supposed to be her. Perhaps she was > adopted? > > Name Age > > . > . > Search the Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC > . > Browse the Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ > . > A link to a favorite site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael; Perhaps your Alexandrine is the one who was baptised Marie Odile Georgianna Lefebvre in Ste-Cunégonde, Montreal, d/o Clément & Césarie Martin on 18 Aucgust 1878, born the previuos day, with Luc Desautels and Domithilde Bourelle his wife from the parish of St-Henri as sponsors. I couldn't find any record of a death for M. Odile Georgianna, so maybe it was that Andrew who was incorrectly recorded. She would have been two years old in june 1880, less two months. If Alexandrina was really born about 1879 it is likely she would have been born in Ste-Cunégonde as the Lefebvre family came from that parish as stated in the wedding of Adele to Barsalou the previous January. And Montreal as the place of her birth would coincide with what you already have. It would not be the first time that a child's name was changed later in life. Frank