That would be Saint Mathias Sur Richelieu, just NE of Chambly. Historical Atlas of Canada-Resettling the St Lawrence Valley(Hubert Charbonneau) shows 4 places nearby with registers and starting dates, #106 Pointe Olivier 1739!! #107 Chambly 1706 #105 Saint Hilaire 1799 #104 Beloeil 1772 Strangely, these dates do not agree with Drouin, while Pointe Olivier starts in 1739, the period from 1762 to 1776 is missing. Probably not much help, but may give you some insight. John Anderton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renee Cummings" <rcummi1123@rogers.com> To: "QUEBEC-RESEARCH@ro" <QUEBEC-RESEARCH@rootsweb.com>; "QUEBEC-L" <QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:23 PM Subject: [QUEBEC] Baptism record for Jean-Baptiste Boivert 1762 > 1762-05-20 b Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) Subject m BOISVERT JEAN BAPTISTE > 1762-05-20 b Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) Father m BOISVERT JEAN > 1762-05-20 b Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) Mother f LAJOIE MARIE PRDH > > Good evening > I have the marriage of (Union 1792-01-09 L'Acadie BOISVERT JEAN-BAPTISTE > & > GODIN MARIE-LOUISE PRDH) > Jean-Baptiste is said to be the son of Jean-Baptiste Boisvert & the late > Marguerite Lajoie but I can't find a marriage for them in PRDH. > I found the baptism above and they appear to be the parents I'm looking > for > but Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) start in 1777 in LDS pilot site. > Can some kind soul please tell me where to look for that baptism in 1762 > for > Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias). I trying to establish if the parents were > married or not. > Thank you for your help. > Renee > > >

That's an old tale - Wow I forgot about that story! It's fun to think someone thought of bringing it back - and in English!! The tale was called "La Chasse-galerie" in French Here's a blurb I found on the Net: "The Christmas Canoe Shelley Posen Illustrated by Magdalene Carson Père Noël brings Christmas to the snowbound crew of an old-time Ottawa Valley lumber shanty. He arrives in a giant flying canoe packed with Christmas goodies, propelled by elf voyageurs. Shelley's story is a turnabout of the classic Quebec folktale, La Chasse-galerie, rendered in perfect rhyming verse à la Robert W. Service. Magdalene Carson's witty illustrations delight the eye. You can almost feel the cold of the swirling snow, the warmth of the shanty's camboose fire, the breezy eddies of Père Noël's great canoe as it passes overhead. /The Christmas Canoe/ blends old and new, fact and fancy, and the lore of the Ottawa Valley's Irish and French communities, to create a charming new traditional tale you can read with your family at any season. " Martha Costello a écrit : > 'Lo all, > > I just bought / read a book for my g'children that I found absolutely > delightful! Illustrations were a feast for the eyes! so thought I'd > share...... > > "When the crew of an old-time lumber shanty is snowed in on Dec 24 > Pere Noel and his elf voyageurs fly by canoe to bring them a Christmas > reveillon they'll never forget" > > 1st url below is the publisher's home page, 2nd is the book. There's > an 800 number. > > http://www.gsph.com/index.php?Lang=En&ID=1 > > http://www.gsph.com/index.php?ID=553&Lang=En > > Christmas Cheer! > > Martha > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Good morning Michael; Did you get my message on the baptism of Marie Odile Georgiana Lefebvre born in 1878 and baptised in Ste-Cunégonde, Montral? Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael McAlonie" <mmcalonie@msn.com> To: <quebec@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre > Renee, > Thank you for your help. This is interesting. I just looked up the > 1897 marriage, at Saint Ann Montreal, my great grandfather is indexed > as Dan H McAlonce in ancestry.com index. It does list Clement and > Cesarie as Alexandrina's parents, but perhaps they are grand parents > or some other relation, seems more likely, I agree. I should not be > so quick to say that, as my own father was 50 and mother 46 when I was > born! HHmm. However I will check St Cunegonde for Mary > Alexandrines in 1879 to some other last names, like Barselou. Seeing > as she would have siblings born in the early 1850s, I thought 1879 > sounded late to be a sibling of Clements children. > > Thank you so much for looking. I appreciate your help. I just want > to figure this out. As I was growing up, I was told that my great > grandmother Lefebvre was part Cree Indian. I have traced all branches > of her parents families (Clement and Cesarie, if they are her parents) > back to French immigrants and I see no indication of Metis ancestry. > So If these are not her actual parents I can understand that now. > > How were illegitimate children recorded in the church records back > then? > > Thanks to anyone who helps me sort this out, > Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Renee Cummings<mailto:rcummi1123@rogers.com> > To: quebec@rootsweb.com<mailto:quebec@rootsweb.com> ; > mmcalonie@msn.com<mailto:mmcalonie@msn.com> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:51 PM > Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre > > > Michael, I found this in BMS > Probably siblings of your great grandmother > Adele Lefebvre d/o Clement & Cesarie Martin mar. Jan 09 1878 at > Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal to Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou w/o > Marie-Louise Chartrand > > Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou, s/o Leon & Odile Bertrand mar. 1873-10-20 > St-Henri Montreal Marie-Louise Chartrand d/o Francois & Mathilde > Bisson > > or could this be your great-grandmother > Marie Lefebvre (same parents) mar. 1879-10-21 at Ste-Cunegonde, > Montreal > David Barsalou s/o Leon & Adele Chartrand. > > This might help you find her in that area. If her mother was born in > 1829 > she would have been 50 when Mary-Alexandrine was born in 1879 so I > think > it's the wrong year and maybe it was the year of her marriage in 1879 > (See > Marie above) Please check your note to verify the info you gave us. > Something doesn't seem to add up here-( > > Good luck > Renee > > -----Original Message----- > From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com> > [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of Michael McAlonie > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:51 PM > To: Quebec List > Subject: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre > > > Hello, > In all these years I have never been able to find my great > grandmothers > baptism in Quebec. I would have tried the PRDH but it says it stops > at > 1799. I tried all sorts of angles searching the indexes and any > close > matched page images on ancestry.com for the Drouin collection. Her > name was > some form of Mary Alexandrine Lefebvre. I have seen Alexandrine > spelled > Alexandrina also, and I have seen her recorded as just Alexandrina at > times > also. Per her NYS death certificate she was born August 15, 1879. > Her > parents were Clement Lefebvre born 1825 in St Phillippe (I don't have > my > notes in front of me) and her mother was Cesarie Martin (also Son dit > St > Martin) who I think was born in St Constant in 1829. They lived in > St > Phillippe and were married at St Remi I believe. I have found all > the info > for her parents, and their ancestors, but not for her. Her 1942 > death > certificate said she was born in Montreal, but it said her parents > were born > in Montreal also which was not ! > the case. She did get married in Montreal in 1897 however, I > believe at St > Anns in Griffintown where my great grandfather DH McAlonie was a > member. > Every document I have seen says she was born in Canada, however, her > family > was located in Troy, NY by the 1880 US census, in which her father is > indexed as Clements Lefebre, and, according to the kids names and > dates, I > cant clearly tell which one is supposed to be her. Perhaps she was > adopted? > > Name Age > > . > . > Search the Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC > . > Browse the Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ > . > A link to a favorite site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Forgot to mention that Jean Marie was previously married to Marie Jeanne Dumas dit Rencontre > Renee; > > A case of a dit name Mother's name is Elisabeth Isabelle Bernard dit > Lajoie. > > Jean Marie Boisvert (Jean Denevers dit Boisvert & Marie Benoit dit Abel) > m 05 May 1761, Point-Olivier (St-Mathias) > Marie Elisabeth Isabelle Bernard dit Lajoie (Pierre Bernard dit lajoie > & Marguerite Durand dit Marchet) > > From PRDH & Ancestry -image to follow - very hard to ead > > Fran > > Renee Cummings wrote: >> 1762-05-20 b Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) Subject m BOISVERT JEAN BAPTISTE >> 1762-05-20 b Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) Father m BOISVERT JEAN >> 1762-05-20 b Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) Mother f LAJOIE MARIE PRDH >> >> Good evening >> I have the marriage of (Union 1792-01-09 L'Acadie BOISVERT JEAN-BAPTISTE & >> GODIN MARIE-LOUISE PRDH) >> Jean-Baptiste is said to be the son of Jean-Baptiste Boisvert & the late >> Marguerite Lajoie but I can't find a marriage for them in PRDH. >> I found the baptism above and they appear to be the parents I'm looking for >> but Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) start in 1777 in LDS pilot site. >> Can some kind soul please tell me where to look for that baptism in 1762 for >> Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias). I trying to establish if the parents were >> married or not. >> Thank you for your help. >> Renee >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>

Renee; A case of a dit name Mother's name is Elisabeth Isabelle Bernard dit Lajoie. Jean Marie Boisvert (Jean Denevers dit Boisvert & Marie Benoit dit Abel) m 05 May 1761, Point-Olivier (St-Mathias) Marie Elisabeth Isabelle Bernard dit Lajoie (Pierre Bernard dit lajoie & Marguerite Durand dit Marchet) From PRDH & Ancestry -image to follow - very hard to ead Fran Renee Cummings wrote: > 1762-05-20 b Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) Subject m BOISVERT JEAN BAPTISTE > 1762-05-20 b Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) Father m BOISVERT JEAN > 1762-05-20 b Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) Mother f LAJOIE MARIE PRDH > > Good evening > I have the marriage of (Union 1792-01-09 L'Acadie BOISVERT JEAN-BAPTISTE & > GODIN MARIE-LOUISE PRDH) > Jean-Baptiste is said to be the son of Jean-Baptiste Boisvert & the late > Marguerite Lajoie but I can't find a marriage for them in PRDH. > I found the baptism above and they appear to be the parents I'm looking for > but Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) start in 1777 in LDS pilot site. > Can some kind soul please tell me where to look for that baptism in 1762 for > Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias). I trying to establish if the parents were > married or not. > Thank you for your help. > Renee > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

1762-05-20 b Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) Subject m BOISVERT JEAN BAPTISTE 1762-05-20 b Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) Father m BOISVERT JEAN 1762-05-20 b Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) Mother f LAJOIE MARIE PRDH Good evening I have the marriage of (Union 1792-01-09 L'Acadie BOISVERT JEAN-BAPTISTE & GODIN MARIE-LOUISE PRDH) Jean-Baptiste is said to be the son of Jean-Baptiste Boisvert & the late Marguerite Lajoie but I can't find a marriage for them in PRDH. I found the baptism above and they appear to be the parents I'm looking for but Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias) start in 1777 in LDS pilot site. Can some kind soul please tell me where to look for that baptism in 1762 for Pointe-Olivier (St-Mathias). I trying to establish if the parents were married or not. Thank you for your help. Renee

Hi Michael; Perhaps your Alexandrine is the one who was baptised Marie Odile Georgianna Lefebvre in Ste-Cunégonde, Montreal, d/o Clément & Césarie Martin on 18 Aucgust 1878, born the previuos day, with Luc Desautels and Domithilde Bourelle his wife from the parish of St-Henri as sponsors. I couldn't find any record of a death for M. Odile Georgianna, so maybe it was that Andrew who was incorrectly recorded. She would have been two years old in june 1880, less two months. If Alexandrina was really born about 1879 it is likely she would have been born in Ste-Cunégonde as the Lefebvre family came from that parish as stated in the wedding of Adele to Barsalou the previous January. And Montreal as the place of her birth would coincide with what you already have. It would not be the first time that a child's name was changed later in life. Frank

Hi Michael; I see that in the Troy, N.Y. 1880 census, there is an Alexander Lefebvre, born in Canada in 1874 (was 7 yrs old at the time) among the children of Clements (sic) Lefebvre.. Perhaps that was Alexandrine/Alexandrina with the name and gender incorrectly recorded, or was there really an Alexander, male born to Clement and Césarie? I found Julia (Julie) born in St-Isidore in 1862, and Emma in St-Rémi in 1871, so the ages are correctly listed. Couldn't find Alexander, nor Andrew, 2 yrs old, both born in Canada. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael McAlonie" <mmcalonie@msn.com> To: <quebec@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre > Renee, > Thank you for your help. This is interesting. I just looked up the > 1897 marriage, at Saint Ann Montreal, my great grandfather is indexed > as Dan H McAlonce in ancestry.com index. It does list Clement and > Cesarie as Alexandrina's parents, but perhaps they are grand parents > or some other relation, seems more likely, I agree. I should not be > so quick to say that, as my own father was 50 and mother 46 when I was > born! HHmm. However I will check St Cunegonde for Mary > Alexandrines in 1879 to some other last names, like Barselou. Seeing > as she would have siblings born in the early 1850s, I thought 1879 > sounded late to be a sibling of Clements children. > > Thank you so much for looking. I appreciate your help. I just want > to figure this out. As I was growing up, I was told that my great > grandmother Lefebvre was part Cree Indian. I have traced all branches > of her parents families (Clement and Cesarie, if they are her parents) > back to French immigrants and I see no indication of Metis ancestry. > So If these are not her actual parents I can understand that now. > > How were illegitimate children recorded in the church records back > then? > > Thanks to anyone who helps me sort this out, > Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Renee Cummings<mailto:rcummi1123@rogers.com> > To: quebec@rootsweb.com<mailto:quebec@rootsweb.com> ; > mmcalonie@msn.com<mailto:mmcalonie@msn.com> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:51 PM > Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre > > > Michael, I found this in BMS > Probably siblings of your great grandmother > Adele Lefebvre d/o Clement & Cesarie Martin mar. Jan 09 1878 at > Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal to Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou w/o > Marie-Louise Chartrand > > Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou, s/o Leon & Odile Bertrand mar. 1873-10-20 > St-Henri Montreal Marie-Louise Chartrand d/o Francois & Mathilde > Bisson > > or could this be your great-grandmother > Marie Lefebvre (same parents) mar. 1879-10-21 at Ste-Cunegonde, > Montreal > David Barsalou s/o Leon & Adele Chartrand. > > This might help you find her in that area. If her mother was born in > 1829 > she would have been 50 when Mary-Alexandrine was born in 1879 so I > think > it's the wrong year and maybe it was the year of her marriage in 1879 > (See > Marie above) Please check your note to verify the info you gave us. > Something doesn't seem to add up here-( > > Good luck > Renee > > -----Original Message----- > From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com> > [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of Michael McAlonie > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:51 PM > To: Quebec List > Subject: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre > > > Hello, > In all these years I have never been able to find my great > grandmothers > baptism in Quebec. I would have tried the PRDH but it says it stops > at > 1799. I tried all sorts of angles searching the indexes and any > close > matched page images on ancestry.com for the Drouin collection. Her > name was > some form of Mary Alexandrine Lefebvre. I have seen Alexandrine > spelled > Alexandrina also, and I have seen her recorded as just Alexandrina at > times > also. Per her NYS death certificate she was born August 15, 1879. > Her > parents were Clement Lefebvre born 1825 in St Phillippe (I don't have > my > notes in front of me) and her mother was Cesarie Martin (also Son dit > St > Martin) who I think was born in St Constant in 1829. They lived in > St > Phillippe and were married at St Remi I believe. I have found all > the info > for her parents, and their ancestors, but not for her. Her 1942 > death > certificate said she was born in Montreal, but it said her parents > were born > in Montreal also which was not ! > the case. She did get married in Montreal in 1897 however, I > believe at St > Anns in Griffintown where my great grandfather DH McAlonie was a > member. > Every document I have seen says she was born in Canada, however, her > family > was located in Troy, NY by the 1880 US census, in which her father is > indexed as Clements Lefebre, and, according to the kids names and > dates, I > cant clearly tell which one is supposed to be her. Perhaps she was > adopted? > > Name Age > > . > . > Search the Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC > . > Browse the Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ > . > A link to a favorite site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

'Lo all, I just bought / read a book for my g'children that I found absolutely delightful! Illustrations were a feast for the eyes! so thought I'd share...... "When the crew of an old-time lumber shanty is snowed in on Dec 24 Pere Noel and his elf voyageurs fly by canoe to bring them a Christmas reveillon they'll never forget" 1st url below is the publisher's home page, 2nd is the book. There's an 800 number. http://www.gsph.com/index.php?Lang=En&ID=1 http://www.gsph.com/index.php?ID=553&Lang=En Christmas Cheer! Martha

Hi Michael Children born out of wedlock were very often recorded when they were baptized as "ne de parents inconnu" Born of unknown parents. But sometime one parent was name and the other one "inconnu" Unknown. And sometime one of the parent or both were the Godparents:) Maybe your great grandmother married twice, first to a Barselou and then to Dan H Mc Alonce. Good luck Renee -----Original Message----- From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Michael McAlonie Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:52 PM To: quebec@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre Renee, Thank you for your help. This is interesting. I just looked up the 1897 marriage, at Saint Ann Montreal, my great grandfather is indexed as Dan H McAlonce in ancestry.com index. It does list Clement and Cesarie as Alexandrina's parents, but perhaps they are grand parents or some other relation, seems more likely, I agree. I should not be so quick to say that, as my own father was 50 and mother 46 when I was born! HHmm. However I will check St Cunegonde for Mary Alexandrines in 1879 to some other last names, like Barselou. Seeing as she would have siblings born in the early 1850s, I thought 1879 sounded late to be a sibling of Clements children. Thank you so much for looking. I appreciate your help. I just want to figure this out. As I was growing up, I was told that my great grandmother Lefebvre was part Cree Indian. I have traced all branches of her parents families (Clement and Cesarie, if they are her parents) back to French immigrants and I see no indication of Metis ancestry. So If these are not her actual parents I can understand that now. How were illegitimate children recorded in the church records back then? Thanks to anyone who helps me sort this out, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Renee Cummings<mailto:rcummi1123@rogers.com> To: quebec@rootsweb.com<mailto:quebec@rootsweb.com> ; mmcalonie@msn.com<mailto:mmcalonie@msn.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre Michael, I found this in BMS Probably siblings of your great grandmother Adele Lefebvre d/o Clement & Cesarie Martin mar. Jan 09 1878 at Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal to Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou w/o Marie-Louise Chartrand Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou, s/o Leon & Odile Bertrand mar. 1873-10-20 St-Henri Montreal Marie-Louise Chartrand d/o Francois & Mathilde Bisson or could this be your great-grandmother Marie Lefebvre (same parents) mar. 1879-10-21 at Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal David Barsalou s/o Leon & Adele Chartrand. This might help you find her in that area. If her mother was born in 1829 she would have been 50 when Mary-Alexandrine was born in 1879 so I think it's the wrong year and maybe it was the year of her marriage in 1879 (See Marie above) Please check your note to verify the info you gave us. Something doesn't seem to add up here-( Good luck Renee -----Original Message----- From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Michael McAlonie Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:51 PM To: Quebec List Subject: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre Hello, In all these years I have never been able to find my great grandmothers baptism in Quebec. I would have tried the PRDH but it says it stops at 1799. I tried all sorts of angles searching the indexes and any close matched page images on ancestry.com for the Drouin collection. Her name was some form of Mary Alexandrine Lefebvre. I have seen Alexandrine spelled Alexandrina also, and I have seen her recorded as just Alexandrina at times also. Per her NYS death certificate she was born August 15, 1879. Her parents were Clement Lefebvre born 1825 in St Phillippe (I don't have my notes in front of me) and her mother was Cesarie Martin (also Son dit St Martin) who I think was born in St Constant in 1829. They lived in St Phillippe and were married at St Remi I believe. I have found all the info for her parents, and their ancestors, but not for her. Her 1942 death certificate said she was born in Montreal, but it said her parents were born in Montreal also which was not ! the case. She did get married in Montreal in 1897 however, I believe at St Anns in Griffintown where my great grandfather DH McAlonie was a member. Every document I have seen says she was born in Canada, however, her family was located in Troy, NY by the 1880 US census, in which her father is indexed as Clements Lefebre, and, according to the kids names and dates, I cant clearly tell which one is supposed to be her. Perhaps she was adopted? Name Age

Renee, Thank you for your help. This is interesting. I just looked up the 1897 marriage, at Saint Ann Montreal, my great grandfather is indexed as Dan H McAlonce in ancestry.com index. It does list Clement and Cesarie as Alexandrina's parents, but perhaps they are grand parents or some other relation, seems more likely, I agree. I should not be so quick to say that, as my own father was 50 and mother 46 when I was born! HHmm. However I will check St Cunegonde for Mary Alexandrines in 1879 to some other last names, like Barselou. Seeing as she would have siblings born in the early 1850s, I thought 1879 sounded late to be a sibling of Clements children. Thank you so much for looking. I appreciate your help. I just want to figure this out. As I was growing up, I was told that my great grandmother Lefebvre was part Cree Indian. I have traced all branches of her parents families (Clement and Cesarie, if they are her parents) back to French immigrants and I see no indication of Metis ancestry. So If these are not her actual parents I can understand that now. How were illegitimate children recorded in the church records back then? Thanks to anyone who helps me sort this out, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Renee Cummings<mailto:rcummi1123@rogers.com> To: quebec@rootsweb.com<mailto:quebec@rootsweb.com> ; mmcalonie@msn.com<mailto:mmcalonie@msn.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre Michael, I found this in BMS Probably siblings of your great grandmother Adele Lefebvre d/o Clement & Cesarie Martin mar. Jan 09 1878 at Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal to Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou w/o Marie-Louise Chartrand Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou, s/o Leon & Odile Bertrand mar. 1873-10-20 St-Henri Montreal Marie-Louise Chartrand d/o Francois & Mathilde Bisson or could this be your great-grandmother Marie Lefebvre (same parents) mar. 1879-10-21 at Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal David Barsalou s/o Leon & Adele Chartrand. This might help you find her in that area. If her mother was born in 1829 she would have been 50 when Mary-Alexandrine was born in 1879 so I think it's the wrong year and maybe it was the year of her marriage in 1879 (See Marie above) Please check your note to verify the info you gave us. Something doesn't seem to add up here-( Good luck Renee -----Original Message----- From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Michael McAlonie Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:51 PM To: Quebec List Subject: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre Hello, In all these years I have never been able to find my great grandmothers baptism in Quebec. I would have tried the PRDH but it says it stops at 1799. I tried all sorts of angles searching the indexes and any close matched page images on ancestry.com for the Drouin collection. Her name was some form of Mary Alexandrine Lefebvre. I have seen Alexandrine spelled Alexandrina also, and I have seen her recorded as just Alexandrina at times also. Per her NYS death certificate she was born August 15, 1879. Her parents were Clement Lefebvre born 1825 in St Phillippe (I don't have my notes in front of me) and her mother was Cesarie Martin (also Son dit St Martin) who I think was born in St Constant in 1829. They lived in St Phillippe and were married at St Remi I believe. I have found all the info for her parents, and their ancestors, but not for her. Her 1942 death certificate said she was born in Montreal, but it said her parents were born in Montreal also which was not ! the case. She did get married in Montreal in 1897 however, I believe at St Anns in Griffintown where my great grandfather DH McAlonie was a member. Every document I have seen says she was born in Canada, however, her family was located in Troy, NY by the 1880 US census, in which her father is indexed as Clements Lefebre, and, according to the kids names and dates, I cant clearly tell which one is supposed to be her. Perhaps she was adopted? Name Age

Michael, I found this in BMS Probably siblings of your great grandmother Adele Lefebvre d/o Clement & Cesarie Martin mar. Jan 09 1878 at Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal to Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou w/o Marie-Louise Chartrand Ludger-Napoleon Bardsalou, s/o Leon & Odile Bertrand mar. 1873-10-20 St-Henri Montreal Marie-Louise Chartrand d/o Francois & Mathilde Bisson or could this be your great-grandmother Marie Lefebvre (same parents) mar. 1879-10-21 at Ste-Cunegonde, Montreal David Barsalou s/o Leon & Adele Chartrand. This might help you find her in that area. If her mother was born in 1829 she would have been 50 when Mary-Alexandrine was born in 1879 so I think it's the wrong year and maybe it was the year of her marriage in 1879 (See Marie above) Please check your note to verify the info you gave us. Something doesn't seem to add up here-( Good luck Renee -----Original Message----- From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Michael McAlonie Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:51 PM To: Quebec List Subject: [QUEBEC] looking for some charity- Lefebvre Hello, In all these years I have never been able to find my great grandmothers baptism in Quebec. I would have tried the PRDH but it says it stops at 1799. I tried all sorts of angles searching the indexes and any close matched page images on ancestry.com for the Drouin collection. Her name was some form of Mary Alexandrine Lefebvre. I have seen Alexandrine spelled Alexandrina also, and I have seen her recorded as just Alexandrina at times also. Per her NYS death certificate she was born August 15, 1879. Her parents were Clement Lefebvre born 1825 in St Phillippe (I don't have my notes in front of me) and her mother was Cesarie Martin (also Son dit St Martin) who I think was born in St Constant in 1829. They lived in St Phillippe and were married at St Remi I believe. I have found all the info for her parents, and their ancestors, but not for her. Her 1942 death certificate said she was born in Montreal, but it said her parents were born in Montreal also which was not ! the case. She did get married in Montreal in 1897 however, I believe at St Anns in Griffintown where my great grandfather DH McAlonie was a member. Every document I have seen says she was born in Canada, however, her family was located in Troy, NY by the 1880 US census, in which her father is indexed as Clements Lefebre, and, according to the kids names and dates, I cant clearly tell which one is supposed to be her. Perhaps she was adopted? Name Age Clements Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=4811473> 55 Sarah Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=4218585> 50 Julia Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=4811593> 16 Mary Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=39274237> 18 Emma Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=39274352> 9 Alderic Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=3749828> 11 Joseph Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=4218661> 14 Alexander Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=4811599> 7 Andrew Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try &h=39274431> 2 Just wondering if some kind sole could throw me a bone and give me a hint on how to sort this all out and find her birth. I'm trying to do a family tree for my son. Thank you for any help offered. Best regards, Michael . . Search the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC . Browse the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ . A link to a favorite site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, In all these years I have never been able to find my great grandmothers baptism in Quebec. I would have tried the PRDH but it says it stops at 1799. I tried all sorts of angles searching the indexes and any close matched page images on ancestry.com for the Drouin collection. Her name was some form of Mary Alexandrine Lefebvre. I have seen Alexandrine spelled Alexandrina also, and I have seen her recorded as just Alexandrina at times also. Per her NYS death certificate she was born August 15, 1879. Her parents were Clement Lefebvre born 1825 in St Phillippe (I don't have my notes in front of me) and her mother was Cesarie Martin (also Son dit St Martin) who I think was born in St Constant in 1829. They lived in St Phillippe and were married at St Remi I believe. I have found all the info for her parents, and their ancestors, but not for her. Her 1942 death certificate said she was born in Montreal, but it said her parents were born in Montreal also which was not the case. She did get married in Montreal in 1897 however, I believe at St Anns in Griffintown where my great grandfather DH McAlonie was a member. Every document I have seen says she was born in Canada, however, her family was located in Troy, NY by the 1880 US census, in which her father is indexed as Clements Lefebre, and, according to the kids names and dates, I cant clearly tell which one is supposed to be her. Perhaps she was adopted? Name Age Clements Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=4811473> 55 Sarah Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=4218585> 50 Julia Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=4811593> 16 Mary Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=39274237> 18 Emma Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=39274352> 9 Alderic Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=3749828> 11 Joseph Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=4218661> 14 Alexander Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=4811599> 7 Andrew Lefebre<http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=39274431> 2 Just wondering if some kind sole could throw me a bone and give me a hint on how to sort this all out and find her birth. I'm trying to do a family tree for my son. Thank you for any help offered. Best regards, Michael

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Hi List, I was wondering if you would know what other parish I could try to get the birth register for my great grandfather. He was born February 02, 1857, Notre Dame du Lac, Temiscouata, Quebec, Canada. Notre Dame du Lac starts at 1861 and ends at 1877 on the Pilot website. His name was Henri COTE, son of Georges Cote and Louise Cote. I have the same problem with my great grandmother, who married Henri. Her name was Mathilda BOISVERT. She was born September 15, 1859 in West Farnham, Missisquoi, Quebec, Canada. I can find Farnham on Pilot site but, again, the dates are wrong for what I need. I'm not asking for look-ups, just if any of you have any idea where else to search on Pilot site. Thanks for any help you can give. Sue macduff@embarqmail.com

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HI John this is what I have in my FTM Union 1742-10-14 Beaumont GUAY JEAN-BAPTISTE-JACQUES & BECHARD MARIE-JOSEPHE-ANNE PRDH s/o Union 1719-06-17 Lieu inconnu GUAY ETIENNE & PAQUET MARIE MADELEINE PRDH d/o Union 1718-01-17 Beaumont BECHARD LOUIS & GUENET MARIE-FRANCOISE PRDH the only Etienne Guay-Guillet I found in PRDH is this one married in 1746 so he can't be the father of J-B . Union 1746-02-21 Pointe-de-Levy (Lauzon) GUAY-GUILLET ETIENNE & NAULT-LABRIE MARIE-SUZANNE PRDH Checking the rep de Bellechasse I found under "Leguay" Etienne Leguay mar.??? Marie Paquet at Normandie. Jacques married Josette Bechasrd 1742-10-14 Beaumont I also checked Jette,Red Drouin & Tanguay and found nothing on them. Good luck Renee -----Original Message----- From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John B Anderton Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:40 PM To: quebec@rootsweb.com Subject: [QUEBEC] Etienne Guay Family Etienne Guay=M Madeleine Paquet-ancestry problem Jean Baptiste Jacques Guay wed Marie Josephe Anne Bechard 14 Oct. 1742 in Beaumont. PRDH has Jean Baptiste Jacques as the child of the Etienne Guay =Marie Madeleine Paquet marriage, however, there are no details leading to their ancestry. PRDH has 2 different individual Etienne Guay Guillets-#126018 & #174004, but they do not fit in. John Anderton . . Search the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC . Browse the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ . A link to a favorite site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Etienne Guay=M Madeleine Paquet-ancestry problem Jean Baptiste Jacques Guay wed Marie Josephe Anne Bechard 14 Oct. 1742 in Beaumont. PRDH has Jean Baptiste Jacques as the child of the Etienne Guay =Marie Madeleine Paquet marriage, however, there are no details leading to their ancestry. PRDH has 2 different individual Etienne Guay Guillets-#126018 & #174004, but they do not fit in. John Anderton

Hi Renee, Thanks so much for your reply. I was afraid to put this marriage down for Michel & Charlotte. I will feel comfortable doing that now. I saw this birth but wasn't sure if I should pick it or not. There were several Charlotte & Marie Charlotte Blais floating around. I don't always rely on the same parish for baptism as I find for marriage or birth of their children. I swear, sometimes, that you would think our ancestors and relations lived near super highways and own RV's the way they got around. LOL With the info you gave me, I feel confident now to use that marriage, parents and get their births records. Sue -----Original Message----- From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Renee Cummings Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 5:42 PM To: quebec@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Marriage help for Michel (Destroismaison dit) PICARD andCharlotte BLAIS Hi Sue I traced the marriage of Charles/Charlotte Blais In BMS2000 her name is Marie-Charlotte d/o Union 1785-04-04 St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud BLAIS AUGUSTIN & THERIAULT MARIE-GENEVIEVE PRDH I went to the LDS site and her name does appear as Charlotte and her mother as Genevieve Terrien but there's no Blais/Terrien marriage in PRDH only Blais/Theriault I found the birth of Marie-Charlotte/Charles 1788-02-03 b St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud Subject f BLAIS MARIE CHARLES 1788-02-03 b St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud Father m BLAIS AUGUSTIN 1788-02-03 b St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud Mother f THERIAULT MARIE GENEVIEVE PRDH Our ancestors loved to play with their names and Charles & Charlotte are two of them. Maybe she decided to call herself Charlotte since Charles is ususally a male name. I've often seen Marie Charles-Charlotte..... Maybe is you trace her bapt. you'll see it as such. Michel Destroismaisons-Picard mar. 13 Feb 1810 St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud, to Marie-Charlotte Blais s/o Union 1763-02-14 St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud DESTROISMAISONS-PICARD LOUIS & MATHIEU MARIE-GENEVIEVE PRDH d/o Union 1785-04-04 St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud BLAIS AUGUSTIN & THERIAULT MARIE-GENEVIEVE PRDH then Michel married again to Marie-Francois Blais 22 Nov 1832 St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud, d/o Union 1765-10-07 Berthier-en-Bas BLAIS AUGUSTIN & MERCIER MARIE-ANGELIQUE PRDH Marie-Francois fist married Andre Proulx 23 Nov 1824 Berthier-sur-Mer. I was also his second marriage, Let me know if you want his first Hope I didn't confuse you to much. Good luck Renee -----Original Message----- From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sue J Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 3:49 PM To: QUEBEC LIST Subject: [QUEBEC] Marriage help for Michel (Destroismaison dit) PICARD andCharlotte BLAIS Hi List, I have been searching several parish in Montmagny for the marriage of Michel DESTROISMAISON dit PICARD and Charlotte BLAIS. This marriage is not listed yet on the upgraded Drouin on Ancestry. I found one marriage that fits but Charlotte's name isn't the same. It looks like Marie Charles BLAIS instead of (Marie) Charlotte BLAIS. All the births I could find for their children, she is listed as Charlotte. This marriage in question is on Pilot website: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start . The parish is St. Pierre, Montmagny 1795-1823, image 138. I have not found any other marriage for this couple and I started back at 1795 to 1810 through 3 different parishes. I tried, all for Montmagny, St. Thomas, St. Pierre du Sud and St. Francois de Sales de la Riviere du Sud, where their daughter, Marie Genevieve (bapt. 1811) was married to Francois COTE. I wonder if anyone could take a look and see if this might be the marriage I'm looking for. The date is 13 Feb. 1810. The marriage starts on bottom left page and goes to top of right page. The names are on right page. I do not know the names of parents for either Michel or Charlotte so this would help a lot in finding their births. If I am wrong with this marriage, does anyone have a better date and parish to look at? Thanks so much for your help. Family Search was no help in pinpointing marriage and all the trees I've looked at for help has this as their marriage. Sue macduff@embarqmail.com . . Search the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC . Browse the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ . A link to a favorite site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue I traced the marriage of Charles/Charlotte Blais In BMS2000 her name is Marie-Charlotte d/o Union 1785-04-04 St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud BLAIS AUGUSTIN & THERIAULT MARIE-GENEVIEVE PRDH I went to the LDS site and her name does appear as Charlotte and her mother as Genevieve Terrien but there's no Blais/Terrien marriage in PRDH only Blais/Theriault I found the birth of Marie-Charlotte/Charles 1788-02-03 b St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud Subject f BLAIS MARIE CHARLES 1788-02-03 b St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud Father m BLAIS AUGUSTIN 1788-02-03 b St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud Mother f THERIAULT MARIE GENEVIEVE PRDH Our ancestors loved to play with their names and Charles & Charlotte are two of them. Maybe she decided to call herself Charlotte since Charles is ususally a male name. I've often seen Marie Charles-Charlotte..... Maybe is you trace her bapt. you'll see it as such. Michel Destroismaisons-Picard mar. 13 Feb 1810 St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud, to Marie-Charlotte Blais s/o Union 1763-02-14 St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud DESTROISMAISONS-PICARD LOUIS & MATHIEU MARIE-GENEVIEVE PRDH d/o Union 1785-04-04 St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud BLAIS AUGUSTIN & THERIAULT MARIE-GENEVIEVE PRDH then Michel married again to Marie-Francois Blais 22 Nov 1832 St-Pierre-de-la-Riviere-du-Sud, d/o Union 1765-10-07 Berthier-en-Bas BLAIS AUGUSTIN & MERCIER MARIE-ANGELIQUE PRDH Marie-Francois fist married Andre Proulx 23 Nov 1824 Berthier-sur-Mer. I was also his second marriage, Let me know if you want his first Hope I didn't confuse you to much. Good luck Renee -----Original Message----- From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sue J Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 3:49 PM To: QUEBEC LIST Subject: [QUEBEC] Marriage help for Michel (Destroismaison dit) PICARD andCharlotte BLAIS Hi List, I have been searching several parish in Montmagny for the marriage of Michel DESTROISMAISON dit PICARD and Charlotte BLAIS. This marriage is not listed yet on the upgraded Drouin on Ancestry. I found one marriage that fits but Charlotte's name isn't the same. It looks like Marie Charles BLAIS instead of (Marie) Charlotte BLAIS. All the births I could find for their children, she is listed as Charlotte. This marriage in question is on Pilot website: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start . The parish is St. Pierre, Montmagny 1795-1823, image 138. I have not found any other marriage for this couple and I started back at 1795 to 1810 through 3 different parishes. I tried, all for Montmagny, St. Thomas, St. Pierre du Sud and St. Francois de Sales de la Riviere du Sud, where their daughter, Marie Genevieve (bapt. 1811) was married to Francois COTE. I wonder if anyone could take a look and see if this might be the marriage I'm looking for. The date is 13 Feb. 1810. The marriage starts on bottom left page and goes to top of right page. The names are on right page. I do not know the names of parents for either Michel or Charlotte so this would help a lot in finding their births. If I am wrong with this marriage, does anyone have a better date and parish to look at? Thanks so much for your help. Family Search was no help in pinpointing marriage and all the trees I've looked at for help has this as their marriage. Sue macduff@embarqmail.com