Please consider this venerable old scribe as being from this ancient school that did not make any difference at the beginning of those early years such as Jan, Feb and Mar 1799/1800. So Firmin Theodule could have been born on the 12 January 1799/1800.

Dear Bud, and cousins all: There is no possible doubt that that Firmin and Simon Thibeaudeau were baptised twice. There is also no possible doubt that the first baptism was NOT "provisional" ["ondoyement"] since it was performed by a priest,. Ondoyement is the term used when a lay person pours water upon the head of newborn infant, and says the words, "I baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". The two most common reasons for "ondoyement" are A) because the infant is premature or otherwise in danger of death, B) because the birth occurred during the winter, and it will not be possible for the family to bring the child to church until after the spring thaw. If the child survives, and is brought to church at a later date, the form of baptism is repeated by the priest-celebrant, and the other liturgical rites of baptism are performed. Fr John L -----Original Message----- From: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com> To: Quebec@rootsweb.com; quebec@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Mar 17, 2010 9:59 am Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska This has been most interesting. agree that survivability was practically nil for a baby born over two months rematurely in 1800. But Fr. John was likely correct in that it was a second aptism. Perhaps the first was ondoye - provisional. My great grandmother was aptised ondoye, because there was a traveling priest who wasn't due there for a ew weeks. I will check other registers such as St-André around 1800 to see what hey might have. Where would I find "folio" register sheets for missionary priests? I am in outhern Maine, about 400 miles south of the area in question. I use Ancestry's rouin for images of the original registers. ud --- On Wed, 3/17/10, pleblan@aim.com <pleblan@aim.com> wrote: rom: pleblan@aim.com <pleblan@aim.com> ubject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska o: Quebec@rootsweb.com ate: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 9:25 AM Sorry about the early release of other email. t-Basile Madawaska was a mission of St. André Church, Kamouraska, uébec. until 1804 & 1807-1808. ou may want to check there for original entries. Besides the register ee if there is a missionary folio (bundle of loose sheets) from the ircut ride. feel one of the birth years is wrong. The time between the birth ates is too short for an early birth & survival. I have seen some rrors in the records when a priest "remembered" the events when eturning to the main church several weeks later. he Thibodeau(x hehe)from that area, I have looked at, may be actually e from Caribou area. aul Le B 'Ascension ouisiane ----Original Message----- rom: Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> ccording to the record on two consecutive pages of the register of the arish f St. Basile de Madawaska, Father Charles Hott, priest and pastor of hat arish, on 18 March 1806, baptised two sons of Joseph Tibeaudeau and arie osephte Cote, namely Firmin Theodule Tibeaudeau and Simon Maxime ibeaudeau. he record also indicates that Firmin Theodule was born on 12 January 800, imon Maxime on 28 July of the same year, and that both were baptised uring hat year by Messire Francois Vezina, missionary there at that time. here is o reason given in the record for the second baptismal ceremony. owever, ccording to my own experience of nearly 40 years of priesthood, I am uite ure the reason was that the records kept by Messire Vezina, missionary ere ither deteriorating or difficult to read. This was not simply a ranscription f the previous record, as indicated by the fact that, in addition to he marks + } of some of the participants who were unable to sign their own ames, here are names written out in a different hand than Father Hott. r John L ----Original Message----- rom: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com> n this page, there are two baptisms of two sons of Joseph Thibodeau & rie-Josephte Coté, one for Firmin Thèodule, the other for Simon axime, both 18 Mar 1806. What is odd is that it seems Firmin was born 12 Jan 800, Simon 28 Jul 1800. Can anyone figure out what is going on here? The URL is t the d. anks, d Dorr . earch the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message earch the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Yes, I found the marriage as well. Very interesting. There are no baptisms of any children of this couple in any of the on-line registers between 1795 and 1800. It stands to reason there were two or three children born to the couple during that period. To French Catholics of that time, the church was all encompassing. To not baptise their children is unthinkable. I guess this is one of those rare circumstances where the records were either not recorded or lost.   Bud --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Renee Cummings <rcummi1123@rogers.com> wrote: From: Renee Cummings <rcummi1123@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska To: quebec@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:50 AM The parents of these children were RRDH Couple   JOSEPH  THIBODEAU  Father : JEAN BAPTISTE  THIBODEAU   Mother : MARIE FRANCOISE  BABIN  and     MARIE JOSEPHE  COTE  Father : PIERRE  COTE   Mother : MARIE JOSEPHE  ALBERT  Marriage:  1795-09-28    L'Isle-Verte ==================== I check RAB du PRDH and found no children born to the couple before 1799. Joseph's parents were from Acadie. Union 1762-02-22 Acadie  THIBODEAU  JEAN-BAPTISTE & BABIN  MARIE-FRANCOISE Maybe Joseph & his wife moved out Quebec for a period. Joseph's brother Etienne married Judith Paradis in 1795 (same year as Joseph) in Kamouraska and she died St-Basile NB in 1820 Good luck Renee  -----Original Message----- From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Russell Dorr Sent: March-17-10 10:52 AM To: quebec@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska Check this interesting page at URL http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1110&path=S.St-Basile.1792- 1837.44&sid=&gskw=&cr=1. Looks like there were no sacraments performed at St-Basile between 1799 and 1803, if I read it correctly (I never attended French school, unfortunately). They were covered at St-André as suggested in another post. I checked 1800 (24 pages) St-André and nothing. Looks as though the priest "covered" things by performing late baptisms, and he got the birth days incorrect for one or both of them. It would seem likely that since he had exact month and days, that one was off by a year. Probably asked how old each was then subtracted incorrectly. So my plan is to use the Simon Thibodeau birth date with explanation. It would seem Firmin/Fermin was the older brother; perhaps he was born in 1799 (I'll check PRDH). Thanks for an interesting and helpful discussion on this.   Bud --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> wrote: From: Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska To: quebec@rootsweb.com, QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 11:15 PM The answer to that question, Bud, is obvious to every woman on this list, and one that is learned rather quickly by most clergy who perform baptisms:  premature birth of the second child. Fr John L . . Search the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC . Browse the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ . A link to a favorite site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry about the early release of other email.    St-Basile Madawaska was a mission of St. André Church, Kamouraska, Québec. until 1804 & 1807-1808.  You may want to check there for original entries. Besides the register see if there is a missionary folio (bundle of loose sheets) from the circut ride.    I feel one of the birth years is wrong. The time between the birth dates is too short for an early birth & survival. I have seen some errors in the records when a priest "remembered" the events when returning to the main church several weeks later.    The Thibodeau(x hehe)from that area, I have looked at, may be actually be from Caribou area.    Paul Le B  l'Ascension  Louisiane    -----Original Message-----  From: Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com>    According to the record on two consecutive pages of the register of the parish  of St. Basile de Madawaska, Father Charles Hott, priest and pastor of that  parish, on 18 March 1806, baptised two sons of Joseph Tibeaudeau and Marie  Josephte Cote, namely Firmin Theodule Tibeaudeau and Simon Maxime Tibeaudeau.  The record also indicates that Firmin Theodule was born on 12 January 1800,  Simon Maxime on 28 July of the same year, and that both were baptised during  that year by Messire Francois Vezina, missionary there at that time. There is  no reason given in the record for the second baptismal ceremony. However,  according to my own experience of nearly 40 years of priesthood, I am quite  sure the reason was that the records kept by Messire Vezina, missionary were  either deteriorating or difficult to read. This was not simply a transcription  of the previous record, as indicated by the fact that, in addition to the marks  [ + } of some of the participants who were unable to sign their own names,  there are names written out in a different hand than Father Hott.    Fr John L    -----Original Message-----  From: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com>    On this page, there are two baptisms of two sons of Joseph Thibodeau &  arie-Josephte Coté, one for Firmin Thèodule, the other for Simon Maxime, both  n 18 Mar 1806. What is odd is that it seems Firmin was born 12 Jan 1800, Simon  n 28 Jul 1800. Can anyone figure out what is going on here? The URL is at the  nd.    hanks,    ud Dorr   

Check this interesting page at URL http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1110&path=S.St-Basile.1792-1837.44&sid=&gskw=&cr=1. Looks like there were no sacraments performed at St-Basile between 1799 and 1803, if I read it correctly (I never attended French school, unfortunately). They were covered at St-André as suggested in another post. I checked 1800 (24 pages) St-André and nothing. Looks as though the priest "covered" things by performing late baptisms, and he got the birth days incorrect for one or both of them. It would seem likely that since he had exact month and days, that one was off by a year. Probably asked how old each was then subtracted incorrectly. So my plan is to use the Simon Thibodeau birth date with explanation. It would seem Firmin/Fermin was the older brother; perhaps he was born in 1799 (I'll check PRDH). Thanks for an interesting and helpful discussion on this.   Bud --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> wrote: From: Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska To: quebec@rootsweb.com, QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 11:15 PM The answer to that question, Bud, is obvious to every woman on this list, and one that is learned rather quickly by most clergy who perform baptisms:  premature birth of the second child. Fr John L -----Original Message----- From: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com> To: quebec@rootsweb.com; QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 10:59 pm Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska Interesting. Even  more interesting is the fact that they were born only 6 onths apart to the same parents! What gives? ud --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> wrote: rom: Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> ubject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska o: quebec@rootsweb.com, QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com ate: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 10:54 PM According to the record on two consecutive pages of the register of the parish f St. Basile de Madawaska, Father Charles Hott, priest and pastor of that arish, on 18 March 1806, baptised two sons of Joseph Tibeaudeau and Marie osephte Cote, namely Firmin Theodule Tibeaudeau and Simon Maxime Tibeaudeau.  he record also indicates that Firmin Theodule was born on 12 January 1800, imon Maxime on 28 July of the same year, and that both were baptised during hat year by Messire Francois Vezina, missionary there at that time.  There is o reason given in the record for the second baptismal ceremony.  However, ccording to my own experience of nearly 40 years of priesthood,  I am quite ure the reason was that the records kept by Messire Vezina, missionary were ither deteriorating or difficult to read.  This was not simply a transcription f the previous record, as indicated by the fact that, in addition to the  marks   +  } of some of the participants who were unable to sign their own names, there are names written ut in a different hand than Father Hott.  r John L -----Original Message----- rom: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com> o: QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com ent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:08 pm ubject: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska n this page, there are two baptisms of two sons of Joseph Thibodeau & rie-Josephte Coté, one for Firmin Thèodule, the other for Simon Maxime, both 18 Mar 1806. What is odd is that it seems Firmin was born 12 Jan 1800, Simon 28 Jul 1800. Can anyone figure out what is going on here? The URL is at the d. hanks, ud Dorr ttp://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1110&iid=d13p_31370798&fn=Simon+Maxime&ln=Tibeaudeau&st=r&ssrc=&pid=631889       arch the Archives: tp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: tp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: tp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message . earch the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message       earch the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message . . 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This has been most interesting.   I agree that survivability was practically nil for a baby born over two months prematurely in 1800. But Fr. John was likely correct in that it was a second baptism. Perhaps the first was ondoye - provisional. My great grandmother was baptised ondoye, because there was a traveling priest who wasn't due there for a few weeks. I will check other registers such as St-André around 1800 to see what they might have. Where would I find "folio" register sheets for missionary priests? I am in southern Maine, about 400 miles south of the area in question. I use Ancestry's Drouin for images of the original registers.   Bud --- On Wed, 3/17/10, pleblan@aim.com <pleblan@aim.com> wrote: From: pleblan@aim.com <pleblan@aim.com> Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska To: Quebec@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 9:25 AM Sorry about the early release of other email.    St-Basile Madawaska was a mission of St. André Church, Kamouraska, Québec. until 1804 & 1807-1808.  You may want to check there for original entries.  Besides the register see if there is a missionary folio (bundle of loose sheets) from the circut ride.    I feel one of the birth years is wrong. The time between the birth dates is too short for an early birth & survival. I have seen some errors in the records when a priest "remembered" the events when returning to the main church several weeks later.    The Thibodeau(x hehe)from that area, I have looked at,  may be actually be from Caribou area.    Paul Le B  l'Ascension  Louisiane    -----Original Message-----  From: Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com>    According to the record on two consecutive pages of the register of the parish  of St. Basile de Madawaska, Father Charles Hott, priest and pastor of that  parish, on 18 March 1806, baptised two sons of Joseph Tibeaudeau and Marie  Josephte Cote, namely Firmin Theodule Tibeaudeau and Simon Maxime Tibeaudeau.  The record also indicates that Firmin Theodule was born on 12 January 1800,  Simon Maxime on 28 July of the same year, and that both were baptised during  that year by Messire Francois Vezina, missionary there at that time.  There is  no reason given in the record for the second baptismal ceremony.  However,  according to my own experience of nearly 40 years of priesthood,  I am quite  sure the reason was that the records kept by Messire Vezina, missionary were  either deteriorating or difficult to read.  This was not simply a transcription  of the previous record, as indicated by the fact that, in addition to the  marks  [  +  } of some of the participants who were unable to sign their own names,  there are names written out in a different hand than Father Hott.    Fr John L    -----Original Message-----  From: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com>    On this page, there are two baptisms of two sons of Joseph Thibodeau &  arie-Josephte Coté, one for Firmin Thèodule, the other for Simon Maxime, both  n 18 Mar 1806. What is odd is that it seems Firmin was born 12 Jan 1800, Simon  n 28 Jul 1800. Can anyone figure out what is going on here? The URL is at the  nd.    hanks,    ud Dorr      . . Search the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC . Browse the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ . A link to a favorite site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another possibility, since pre-mature had next to no chance of survival back then, is that the baby would be born from another young girl, whether in the family or not, and this way hidden adoption was saving the "honor" of another person.. (?) M -----Original Message----- From: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Fr John L Sent: March 16, 2010 11:16 PM To: quebec@rootsweb.com; QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska The answer to that question, Bud, is obvious to every woman on this list, and one that is learned rather quickly by most clergy who perform baptisms: premature birth of the second child. Fr John L -----Original Message----- From: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com> To: quebec@rootsweb.com; QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 10:59 pm Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska Interesting. Even more interesting is the fact that they were born only 6 onths apart to the same parents! What gives? ud --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> wrote: rom: Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> ubject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska o: quebec@rootsweb.com, QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com ate: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 10:54 PM According to the record on two consecutive pages of the register of the parish f St. Basile de Madawaska, Father Charles Hott, priest and pastor of that arish, on 18 March 1806, baptised two sons of Joseph Tibeaudeau and Marie osephte Cote, namely Firmin Theodule Tibeaudeau and Simon Maxime Tibeaudeau he record also indicates that Firmin Theodule was born on 12 January 1800, imon Maxime on 28 July of the same year, and that both were baptised during hat year by Messire Francois Vezina, missionary there at that time. There is o reason given in the record for the second baptismal ceremony. However, ccording to my own experience of nearly 40 years of priesthood, I am quite ure the reason was that the records kept by Messire Vezina, missionary were ither deteriorating or difficult to read. This was not simply a transcription f the previous record, as indicated by the fact that, in addition to the marks + } of some of the participants who were unable to sign their own names, there are names written ut in a different hand than Father Hott. r John L -----Original Message----- rom: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com> o: QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com ent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:08 pm ubject: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska n this page, there are two baptisms of two sons of Joseph Thibodeau & rie-Josephte Coté, one for Firmin Thèodule, the other for Simon Maxime, both 18 Mar 1806. What is odd is that it seems Firmin was born 12 Jan 1800, Simon 28 Jul 1800. Can anyone figure out what is going on here? The URL is at the d. hanks, ud Dorr ttp://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1110&iid=d13p_31370798&fn=Simon+Maxime&ln=Tibeaudeau&st=r&ssrc=&pid=631889 arch the Archives: tp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: tp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: tp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootswebcom ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message . earch the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message earch the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message . . Search the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC . Browse the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ . A link to a favorite site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The answer to that question, Bud, is obvious to every woman on this list, and one that is learned rather quickly by most clergy who perform baptisms: premature birth of the second child. Fr John L -----Original Message----- From: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com> To: quebec@rootsweb.com; QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 10:59 pm Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska Interesting. Even more interesting is the fact that they were born only 6 onths apart to the same parents! What gives? ud --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> wrote: rom: Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> ubject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska o: quebec@rootsweb.com, QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com ate: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 10:54 PM According to the record on two consecutive pages of the register of the parish f St. Basile de Madawaska, Father Charles Hott, priest and pastor of that arish, on 18 March 1806, baptised two sons of Joseph Tibeaudeau and Marie osephte Cote, namely Firmin Theodule Tibeaudeau and Simon Maxime Tibeaudeau. he record also indicates that Firmin Theodule was born on 12 January 1800, imon Maxime on 28 July of the same year, and that both were baptised during hat year by Messire Francois Vezina, missionary there at that time. There is o reason given in the record for the second baptismal ceremony. However, ccording to my own experience of nearly 40 years of priesthood, I am quite ure the reason was that the records kept by Messire Vezina, missionary were ither deteriorating or difficult to read. This was not simply a transcription f the previous record, as indicated by the fact that, in addition to the marks + } of some of the participants who were unable to sign their own names, there are names written ut in a different hand than Father Hott. r John L -----Original Message----- rom: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com> o: QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com ent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:08 pm ubject: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska n this page, there are two baptisms of two sons of Joseph Thibodeau & rie-Josephte Coté, one for Firmin Thèodule, the other for Simon Maxime, both 18 Mar 1806. What is odd is that it seems Firmin was born 12 Jan 1800, Simon 28 Jul 1800. Can anyone figure out what is going on here? The URL is at the d. hanks, ud Dorr ttp://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1110&iid=d13p_31370798&fn=Simon+Maxime&ln=Tibeaudeau&st=r&ssrc=&pid=631889 arch the Archives: tp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: tp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: tp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message . earch the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message earch the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

According to the record on two consecutive pages of the register of the parish of St. Basile de Madawaska, Father Charles Hott, priest and pastor of that parish, on 18 March 1806, baptised two sons of Joseph Tibeaudeau and Marie Josephte Cote, namely Firmin Theodule Tibeaudeau and Simon Maxime Tibeaudeau. The record also indicates that Firmin Theodule was born on 12 January 1800, Simon Maxime on 28 July of the same year, and that both were baptised during that year by Messire Francois Vezina, missionary there at that time. There is no reason given in the record for the second baptismal ceremony. However, according to my own experience of nearly 40 years of priesthood, I am quite sure the reason was that the records kept by Messire Vezina, missionary were either deteriorating or difficult to read. This was not simply a transcription of the previous record, as indicated by the fact that, in addition to the marks [ + } of some of the participants who were unable to sign their own names, there are names written out in a different hand than Father Hott. Fr John L -----Original Message----- From: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com> To: QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:08 pm Subject: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska On this page, there are two baptisms of two sons of Joseph Thibodeau & arie-Josephte Coté, one for Firmin Thèodule, the other for Simon Maxime, both n 18 Mar 1806. What is odd is that it seems Firmin was born 12 Jan 1800, Simon n 28 Jul 1800. Can anyone figure out what is going on here? The URL is at the nd. hanks, ud Dorr ttp://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1110&iid=d13p_31370798&fn=Simon+Maxime&ln=Tibeaudeau&st=r&ssrc=&pid=631889 earch the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

The second baby - could have been an early birth - and the baby survived An early family member had children born aprox 9 months apart - others 10 months apart - My husband was born 9 months and 9 days after his elder brother. At 07:59 PM 16/03/2010, you wrote: >Interesting. Even more interesting is the fact >that they were born only 6 months apart to the same parents! What gives? > >Bud > >--- On Tue, 3/16/10, Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> wrote: > > >From: Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> >Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska >To: quebec@rootsweb.com, QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 10:54 PM > > > > > >According to the record on two consecutive pages >of the register of the parish of St. Basile de >Madawaska, Father Charles Hott, priest and >pastor of that parish, on 18 March 1806, >baptised two sons of Joseph Tibeaudeau and Marie >Josephte Cote, namely Firmin Theodule Tibeaudeau >and Simon Maxime Tibeaudeau. The record also >indicates that Firmin Theodule was born on 12 >January 1800, Simon Maxime on 28 July of the >same year, and that both were baptised during >that year by Messire Francois Vezina, missionary >there at that time. There is no reason given in >the record for the second baptismal >ceremony. However, according to my own >experience of nearly 40 years of priesthood, I >am quite sure the reason was that the records >kept by Messire Vezina, missionary were either >deteriorating or difficult to read. This was >not simply a transcription of the previous >record, as indicated by the fact that, in >addition to the marks [ + } of some of the > participants who were unable to sign their own > names, there are names written out in a different hand than Father Hott. > > >Fr John L > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com> >To: QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:08 pm >Subject: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska > > >On this page, there are two baptisms of two sons of Joseph Thibodeau & >arie-Josephte Coté, one for Firmin Thèodule, the other for Simon Maxime, both >n 18 Mar 1806. What is odd is that it seems >Firmin was born 12 Jan 1800, Simon >n 28 Jul 1800. Can anyone figure out what is going on here? The URL is at the >nd. > >hanks, > >ud Dorr > >ttp://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1110&iid=d13p_31370798&fn=Simon+Maxime&ln=Tibeaudeau&st=r&ssrc=&pid=631889 > > > > >earch the Archives: >ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC > >rowse the Archives: >ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ > >link to a favorite site: >ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > >------------------------------ >o unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com >ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >he message > >. >. >Search the Archives: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC >. >Browse the Archives: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ >. >A link to a favorite site: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm >. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message > > > >. >. >Search the Archives: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC >. >Browse the Archives: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ >. >A link to a favorite site: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm >. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message

Interesting. Even  more interesting is the fact that they were born only 6 months apart to the same parents! What gives?   Bud --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> wrote: From: Fr John L <owentagart@aol.com> Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska To: quebec@rootsweb.com, QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 10:54 PM According to the record on two consecutive pages of the register of the parish of St. Basile de Madawaska, Father Charles Hott, priest and pastor of that parish, on 18 March 1806, baptised two sons of Joseph Tibeaudeau and Marie Josephte Cote, namely Firmin Theodule Tibeaudeau and Simon Maxime Tibeaudeau.  The record also indicates that Firmin Theodule was born on 12 January 1800, Simon Maxime on 28 July of the same year, and that both were baptised during that year by Messire Francois Vezina, missionary there at that time.  There is no reason given in the record for the second baptismal ceremony.  However, according to my own experience of nearly 40 years of priesthood,  I am quite sure the reason was that the records kept by Messire Vezina, missionary were either deteriorating or difficult to read.  This was not simply a transcription of the previous record, as indicated by the fact that, in addition to the  marks [  +  } of some of the participants who were unable to sign their own names, there are names written out in a different hand than Father Hott.  Fr John L -----Original Message----- From: Russell Dorr <russelldorr@yahoo.com> To: QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Mar 16, 2010 8:08 pm Subject: [QUEBEC] Baptisms at St-Basile Madawaska On this page, there are two baptisms of two sons of Joseph Thibodeau & arie-Josephte Coté, one for Firmin Thèodule, the other for Simon Maxime, both n 18 Mar 1806. What is odd is that it seems Firmin was born 12 Jan 1800, Simon n 28 Jul 1800. Can anyone figure out what is going on here? The URL is at the nd. hanks, ud Dorr ttp://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1110&iid=d13p_31370798&fn=Simon+Maxime&ln=Tibeaudeau&st=r&ssrc=&pid=631889       earch the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message . . Search the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC . Browse the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ . A link to a favorite site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bud, Can't access the site - Just a thought> Is this an actual image - or a transcription? If a transcription - there could be an error in the dates . Some transcriptions hold errors because the original in not clear - others - perhaps a little careless. At 05:08 PM 16/03/2010, you wrote: >On this page, there are two baptisms of two sons >of Joseph Thibodeau & Marie-Josephte Coté, one >for Firmin Thèodule, the other for Simon Maxime, >both on 18 Mar 1806. What is odd is that it >seems Firmin was born 12 Jan 1800, Simon on 28 >Jul 1800. Can anyone figure out what is going on here? The URL is at the end. > >Thanks, > >Bud Dorr > >http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1110&iid=d13p_31370798&fn=Simon+Maxime&ln=Tibeaudeau&st=r&ssrc=&pid=631889 > > > >. >. >Search the Archives: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC >. >Browse the Archives: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ >. >A link to a favorite site: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm >. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message

On this page, there are two baptisms of two sons of Joseph Thibodeau & Marie-Josephte Coté, one for Firmin Thèodule, the other for Simon Maxime, both on 18 Mar 1806. What is odd is that it seems Firmin was born 12 Jan 1800, Simon on 28 Jul 1800. Can anyone figure out what is going on here? The URL is at the end.   Thanks,   Bud Dorr   http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1110&iid=d13p_31370798&fn=Simon+Maxime&ln=Tibeaudeau&st=r&ssrc=&pid=631889

And while you're at it might as well change the batteries in the smoke alarm and flashlights. ====== > From: rcummi1123@rogers.com > To: QUEBEC-RESEARCH@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:20:10 -0500 > CC: QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Q-R] Spring forward:) > > It's that time of year when some of us will lose an hour sleep tonight. > Better move that clock at bedtime. > Good luck > Renee > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~For the list web page, goto: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-RESEARCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Take your contacts everywhere http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959

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was born on the 20 and it is writting ***cette nuit*** during the night ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Dorr" <russelldorr@yahoo.com> To: <QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:08 PM Subject: [QUEBEC] Birth of Jean-Marie Cyr at St-Basile NB I'm trying to figure out the birth day for Jean-Marie Cyr (indexed as t marie cir), s/o David Cyr and Genevieve Levasseur. His baptism (#8) is 20 Mar 1810. It looks like perhaps "huit," or the 8th of the month. Here is the URL... http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1110&iid=d13p_31370841&fn=T+Marie&ln=Cir&st=r&ssrc=&pid=632521 Thanks, Bud Dorr Casco, Maine . . Search the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC . Browse the Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ . A link to a favorite site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm trying to figure out the birth day for Jean-Marie Cyr (indexed as t marie cir), s/o David Cyr and Genevieve Levasseur. His baptism (#8) is 20 Mar 1810. It looks like perhaps "huit," or the 8th of the month. Here is the URL...   http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1110&iid=d13p_31370841&fn=T+Marie&ln=Cir&st=r&ssrc=&pid=632521   Thanks,   Bud Dorr Casco, Maine

Thank you, Michel . I wondered the same. -----Original Message----- From: Michel Daoust <cheminot@cgocable.ca> To: quebec@rootsweb.com; frances.lachance@sympatico.ca Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] LECOURS DIT BARRAS would consider the following: Sept. 16th 1822 @ Saint-Joseph de Levis, Qc Joseph Lecours [ Michel Lecours & Francoise Bourget ] Marie-Victoire Hamelin [ Joseph Hamelin & Marie Lamy ] ames are pretty close, and considering time & location.. wonder if the real ame could be Hamelin instead of Asselin.. ??? Michel ----Original Message----- rom: quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quebec-bounces@rootsweb.com]On ehalf Of mfgingras@aol.com ent: March 9, 2010 12:59 PM o: frances.lachance@sympatico.ca; quebec@rootsweb.com ubject: [QUEBEC] LECOURS DIT BARRAS i List, I'm looking for help in finding parents and date/place of marriage for oseph Lecours dit Barras.and Victoire Asselin. oseph and Victoire had children Theophile, Victoire, Thomas and Alexandre. ll children were married in Levis in the 1800's hnks in advnce for any assistance you can lend me, Peg Gingras earch the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to UEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes n the subject and the body of the message . earch the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC rowse the Archives: ttp://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ link to a favorite site: ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Try: St-Athanase-de-Bleury for RC church > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:55:28 -0500 > To: QUEBEC@rootsweb.com > From: cussed@comcast.net > Subject: [QUEBEC] St. Jean Iberville > > > > Hello Everyone > > Could someone tell me where to find the records of > > St. Jean Iberville > > Thanks > > Ed Cusson > > . > . > Search the Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=QUEBEC > . > Browse the Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/QUEBEC/ > . > A link to a favorite site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~unclefred/main.htm > . > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUEBEC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ IM on the go with Messenger on your phone http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712960

Hi List, Thanks to Renee and Lois, I now have the info I need. Thanks so much. This is a great list. Sue