And you can always do an analyses of evidence if you think you are correct. DAR does accept them. You need to spell it out step by step why you think the person you are linking is the child etc of the patriot. If its a service question, you need to prove that he IS the one named. You can do that by finding evidence that the man in question actually lived in the area he claimed service for and that he was of the age. Sometimes you can do this by looking at his neighbors who also served. On 7/20/12 2:00 AM, "quaker-roots-request@rootsweb.com" <quaker-roots-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: John Townsend_refused DAR Membership for established > patriot (Barbara de Mare) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:14:16 -0700 (PDT) >From: Barbara de Mare <barbarademare@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Q-R] John Townsend_refused DAR Membership for > established patriot >To: Carol Thompson <ctgd@mac.com>, Quaker-Roots list > <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: > <1342714456.94827.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >I concur completely.? I have frequently expressed my opinion that the >proofs are not stringent enough to tell one John Doe from another.? I >just recently wrote a long?proof for an applicant?showing I had the right >John Allison.? As a genealogist I totally approve of the new rules even >if it is a lot more work for me as Regent and/or Registrar.? >? >You are also right to send the person to the local chapter.? Some are >more helpful than others, of course, but for my chapter (Shatemuc in >Rockland County, New York)?I basically do all the research for my >applicants after the first three generations--and still manage to work >full time, serve on other genealogy society boards, and got 34 new >members verified in the past year.? I am also a State Vice Chairman of >Lineage Research?and a DAR certified genealogist so help other chapters >when asked. >? >Barbara (with my DAR signature) >Regent, Shatemuc Chapter >DAR Certified Genealogy Consultant >NYS DAR Vice Chairman of Lineage Research >NYS Vice Chairman Credentials >NYS DAR Speaker's Bureau >NYS DAR Library Vice Chairman for Seimes Technology Center >Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >Attorney, historian, genealogist, grandmother 155 Polifly Road - 3rd >floor (office) >Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >(201) 637-7159 cell >(201) 567-9440 office >(201) 343-5181 fax >BdeMare@demarelaw.com (office) >Barbarademare@yahoo.com (home and around the world) >http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > >? > > > >________________________________ > From: Carol Thompson <ctgd@mac.com> >To: Quaker-Roots list <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:43 PM >Subject: [Q-R] John Townsend_refused DAR Membership for established >patriot > >Hi Kimberly; > >On Jul 17, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Mary E. Stewart wrote: > >"If this is your John Townsend, he is already an approved ancestor." > >There is a difference between an individual's patriotic service being >approved by the DAR and approval of the lineage which leads others back >to the individual.? Something similar happened to me, regarding one of my >ancestors: the purported ancestor remains approved, but the recent more >stringent standards of the DAR have not been met by those who have in the >past claimed to be his descendants when joining the DAR.? Those already >accepted under his name will be grandfathered out.? Those who currently >wish to join and normally would have an easy path as a legacy member now >will have to prove that this man who performed the service is the >ancestor rather than some other individual of that name.? In my >ancestor's case, a secondary source was used to make the original >connection and was accepted at that time, but standards became stricter >in recent years due to criticism of the organization for being "sloppy" >regarding documentation and proof of > lineage.? This is actually an org! >anizational change that I welcome. > >I believe Mary is right to point you toward your DAR Chapter: if you >haven't approached local Chapter, you should.? Each Chapter has a Lineage >Records and Genealogical Research Chairman who should be eager to help >you resolve any issues or questions you may have.? 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