My grandmother on my father's side was an ENGLISH. The ENGLISHes were Quakers from the Cotswold Hills area of southwestern England > New Jersey & Pennsylvania > Illinois. I am the seventh child of 8 children. I always thought it was my CRAIG family that had lots of children. Now, I think it was my Quaker ENGLISHes. I wonder what Pastor Philip Gulley of Fairfield Friends Meeting House in Camby, Indiana would have to say on Quakers and having many children. Deane Craig in Pahrump, NV ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Bob Cooke <cookerl3@aol.com> To: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Q-R] William Penn Movie Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 17:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Yesterday I watched "Friendly Persuasion" with Gary Cooper who played "Jess" (Jesse) Birdwell, a Quaker family in Indiana in the early 1860's. It was interesting the way Hollywood tried to explain some of the basic beliefs and ways of Friends. And a little more subtly expressing the humor of Friends' and the enjoyment Quakers have of sex. I learned that the large families the early Quakers had was because of the mortality rate of children and to a lesser extant for the personal to run larger farms in the future, which are true, but I think the Quakers enjoyed themselves and used this more as an excuse to have as many children as they could. Expressed by the scenes where "Jess & Eliza" happily spend the night in the barn on a pile of hay. After which Jess even mentioned they must do that again, soon. I think Hollywood tried to convey the large families without having 10 or 12 or more children, by having a wide spread in age between the oldest and youngest of the 3 children in! the family. This movie was made the year I was born 1956. Robert Cooke ____________________________________________________________ NetZero now offers 4G mobile broadband. Sign up now. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT1