In a message dated 4/11/2005 10:05:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, scholarguy@cableone.net writes: PA, I have to be soooo close. I seem to have run into a dead end from here. What does the collective wisdom of the list suggest? You need the 1850 now and there isn't a Joseph of the even close age <G> now to try Joe etc the closest Joseph is the son of Isaac and Susannah but they are both born Ohio. Meantime if he is working as a blacksmith or some such his father might have too. Meantime I found he and Jane in the 1900 with two children but this one says born in Pa with both parents born in Pa and he was born Dec 1844. Children George and Alice and both males are housepainters. Jane says she was born in 1853. Now in 1910 <moooooooooooooan> it gives NJ as his place of birth! I am sending this before I go nuts <G> Eliz Joseph Haines Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Birth place: Ohio Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Richland, Clinton, Ohio Page: 335 Roll: M432_668 in 1860 there is Joseph W Haines Age in 1860: 16 Birthplace: Ohio Home in 1860: Waynesville, Warren, Ohio Gender: Male Value of real estate: View image Post Office: Waynesville Roll: M653_1047 Page: 85 Year: 1860 Head of Household: Richard Haines A farmer Richard Haines Waynesville, Warren, OH 62 1797 New Jersey Male Ann Haines Waynesville, Warren, OH 55 1804 Pennsylvania Female Joseph W Haines Waynesville, Warren, OH 16 1843 Ohio Male Mary Mason Waynesville, Warren, OH 12 1847 Ohio Female Eugene Daumas Waynesville, Warren, OH 18 1841 Ohio Female Sarah Haines Waynesville, Warren, OH 53 1806 New Jersey Female William Bortleson Waynesville, Warren, OH 13 1846 Virginia Male Joseph H Haines Home in 1900: Harris, Ottawa, Ohio Age: 55 Estimated birth year: 1845 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Race: White Relationship to head-of-house: Head Occupation: View Image Image source: Year: 1900; Census Place: Harris, Ottawa, Ohio; Roll: T623 1312; Page: 1A; Enumeration District: 131. Joseph H Haines this is the same man, a painter but now the wife is Ella Age in 1910: 65 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Birthplace: New Jersey Home in 1910: HARRIS TWP, Ottawa, Ohio Neighbors: View Results Race: White Gender: Male Series: T624 Roll: 1220 Part: 1 Page: 262B Year: 1910