What strikes me in your grandmother's story is its structure, i.e., that a disownment was the act of a few elders not the entire meeting. It's possible that this was how your ancestor understood what had happened and explained it to his or her family. There is a reason for this: It makes disownment seem less an issue of whether a person violated the rules and more like the whim of a few cranks. It makes the person being disowned feel better. In fact, though, disownments were decisions of the entire meeting. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "gary d wilson" <thesarge578@adelphia.net> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep River MM > Good Day: > From the Liittle I Know fr My Grandmother, anything that had to do with > the War, was a reason, to be Disowned; by The Quaker Elder's, I would say > that He was asked to quit such dealings, and He didn't, so They as Elder's; > had him brought up in a Meeting, and Disowned Him, in Their Eyes, He was > comminting a Sin. > I'm just starting to Learn, Discovery, The Old Ways, so Please, I'm sure > someone has the Correct answer, but I'm just staring Out...Trying!!!!! > > Regards: > The Sarge > ""Honor and Courage"" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Murach" <dmurach@starstream.net> > To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:06 AM > Subject: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep River > MM > > > >I am trying to identify the parents of Abner GORDON, b btw. 1822 and 1827, > > Guilford Co, NC. Many relatives were involved in the Deep River MM. > > Through use of the pre-1840 census records I have narrowed the search. > > > > I need help with terminology - in 1838 (btw ages 11 and 16) Abner was > > disowned according to the minutes. Why would a young man be disowned at > > that age? I know he was a gunstocker at the age of 24, obviously part of > > the Guilford Co gunmaking industry. > > > > If a young person was disowned, was he still considered part of the > > family? > > > > Would a person be disowned if he was an illegitimate child? What action > > would have been taken against his mother? Would he have kept his mother's > > name and would the grandparents have raised him? > > > > Abner later moved to Hendricks Co, IN then on to Boone Co, IN. > > > > I'd appreciate any ideas on things to look for to solve this problem. > > > > Diane in CA > > > > > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. >

Mr Dixon, Good Day: I believe I worded it, WRONG, in My Message, but I did refer to Meeting, and The Elder's, but as said My Grandmother who passed on in 1950, at 72 yrs of age, and the Fact that I was 7 yrs old, was to Me, Important; that I always have remembered, along with some of the Old Stories She would tell Me abt the Quaker's and How/Why and such things She thought I needed to learn; so Please Forgive, My Mis-Wording, but that is What I Meant. (Also, fr what She said if The Elder's wanted someone Out, they did Use their powers of talk, to Speak Out against anyone, everyone, who they felt, did and Sinfull, Act, so believe I was right to a degree.....) Thanks for the Information, and Appreciate You catching Mistake, as I said Someone with More Knowledge than I, could answer the Question. Regards: The Sarge ""Honor and Courage"" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark E. Dixon" <mark.dixon@att.net> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep River MM > What strikes me in your grandmother's story is its structure, i.e., that a > disownment was the act of a few elders not the entire meeting. It's > possible that this was how your ancestor understood what had happened and > explained it to his or her family. > > There is a reason for this: It makes disownment seem less an issue of > whether a person violated the rules and more like the whim of a few > cranks. > It makes the person being disowned feel better. > > In fact, though, disownments were decisions of the entire meeting. > > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gary d wilson" <thesarge578@adelphia.net> > To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep > River MM > > >> Good Day: >> From the Liittle I Know fr My Grandmother, anything that had to do with >> the War, was a reason, to be Disowned; by The Quaker Elder's, I would >> say >> that He was asked to quit such dealings, and He didn't, so They as > Elder's; >> had him brought up in a Meeting, and Disowned Him, in Their Eyes, He was >> comminting a Sin. >> I'm just starting to Learn, Discovery, The Old Ways, so Please, I'm > sure >> someone has the Correct answer, but I'm just staring Out...Trying!!!!! >> >> Regards: >> The Sarge >> ""Honor and Courage"" >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diane Murach" <dmurach@starstream.net> >> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:06 AM >> Subject: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep > River >> MM >> >> >> >I am trying to identify the parents of Abner GORDON, b btw. 1822 and > 1827, >> > Guilford Co, NC. Many relatives were involved in the Deep River MM. >> > Through use of the pre-1840 census records I have narrowed the search. >> > >> > I need help with terminology - in 1838 (btw ages 11 and 16) Abner was >> > disowned according to the minutes. Why would a young man be disowned >> > at >> > that age? I know he was a gunstocker at the age of 24, obviously part > of >> > the Guilford Co gunmaking industry. >> > >> > If a young person was disowned, was he still considered part of the >> > family? >> > >> > Would a person be disowned if he was an illegitimate child? What >> > action >> > would have been taken against his mother? Would he have kept his > mother's >> > name and would the grandparents have raised him? >> > >> > Abner later moved to Hendricks Co, IN then on to Boone Co, IN. >> > >> > I'd appreciate any ideas on things to look for to solve this problem. >> > >> > Diane in CA >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> > Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >> > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: >> QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com >> The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. >> > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Need assistance? Please contact:Quaker-Roots-L-Admin@RootsWeb.com > List Manager for Quaker-Roots-L and Quaker-Roots-D > Now with over 750 subscribers > >