Yes, there were Quakers in Kriegsheim. I am descended from the Schumachers. Quaker missionaries William Ames and George Rolfe visited Kriegsheim in 1657-58 and converted some of this Mennonite family to Quakerism. They were persecuted in Germany and emigrated first to Holland then to England and Pennsylvania in about 1685, settling in Germantown. On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:45 PM, [email protected] wrote: > This book by Herman & Gertrud Guth and J Lemar & Lois Ann Mast > (1987) must > be something I bought through Masthoff publishers. While I was > flipping > through it this morning I stumbled on to this entry on p 13: > > "Archive Number 77/4337-1685 > > "Mennists living in the Palatine territory. > > "folio 69: > > "OBERAMT ALZEY NIEDERFLOERSHEIM > "Jann Clementz > Christian Buchholder > Julius Schmidt, the younger > Peter Clementz > Julius Schmidt, the older > > "KRIEGSHEIM > Matthias Bonn > Peter Buchholder > Henrich Bluehm > Hans Gram > Gerhard Becker > Arnold Schumacher > Johann Gebhard > Peter Schumacher's foster son, Peter Otto (?) > > "All are Quakers. > > "Gerhard Heinrich > Agnes, Conrad Gebhart's widow > Georg Schumacher > Peter Schumacher's widow > Johannes Cassel > Philipp Lehbusch" > > > So I'm confused. Were there Quakers in the Palatines? I'm > assuming from > the way these folks are listed that the ones in Oberamt Alzey > Niederfloersheim and in Kriegsheim are "Mennists," or > Mennonites. That would suggest that > the folks above or below the "All are Quakers" statement were > Quakers with > German sounding names. > > The listing from Archive 77/4337-1685 goes on with lists of other > folks from > Wolfsheim, Aspisheim, Weinheim (near Wallertheim), Spiesheim, > Gundersheim, > Moelsheim, and Osthofen on this page. > > Jan > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner > for $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
This is very interesting.....thanks. I am descended from the Johannes Kassel, listed under Kriegsheim. From all other records on him (including in PA) he is called a Mennonite minister. His daughter Mary Kassel married a Quaker, John Cadwallader. This is a Welsh name, so she probably met him in PA, and not in Kriegsheim. However, it illustrates that the two faiths were in close accord in Chester and Bucks counties, PA. Marilyn Winton Totten > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:46:08 -0400 > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Palatine Mennonite Census Lists, 1664-1793: a Quaker/Mennonite puzzle > > Yes, there were Quakers in Kriegsheim. I am descended from the > Schumachers. Quaker missionaries William Ames and George Rolfe > visited Kriegsheim in 1657-58 and converted some of this Mennonite > family to Quakerism. They were persecuted in Germany and emigrated > first to Holland then to England and Pennsylvania in about 1685, > settling in Germantown. > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:45 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > This book by Herman & Gertrud Guth and J Lemar & Lois Ann Mast > > (1987) must > > be something I bought through Masthoff publishers. While I was > > flipping > > through it this morning I stumbled on to this entry on p 13: > > > > "Archive Number 77/4337-1685 > > > > "Mennists living in the Palatine territory. > > > > "folio 69: > > > > "OBERAMT ALZEY NIEDERFLOERSHEIM > > "Jann Clementz > > Christian Buchholder > > Julius Schmidt, the younger > > Peter Clementz > > Julius Schmidt, the older > > > > "KRIEGSHEIM > > Matthias Bonn > > Peter Buchholder > > Henrich Bluehm > > Hans Gram > > Gerhard Becker > > Arnold Schumacher > > Johann Gebhard > > Peter Schumacher's foster son, Peter Otto (?) > > > > "All are Quakers. > > > > "Gerhard Heinrich > > Agnes, Conrad Gebhart's widow > > Georg Schumacher > > Peter Schumacher's widow > > Johannes Cassel > > Philipp Lehbusch" > > > > > > So I'm confused. Were there Quakers in the Palatines? I'm > > assuming from > > the way these folks are listed that the ones in Oberamt Alzey > > Niederfloersheim and in Kriegsheim are "Mennists," or > > Mennonites. That would suggest that > > the folks above or below the "All are Quakers" statement were > > Quakers with > > German sounding names. > > > > The listing from Archive 77/4337-1685 goes on with lists of other > > folks from > > Wolfsheim, Aspisheim, Weinheim (near Wallertheim), Spiesheim, > > Gundersheim, > > Moelsheim, and Osthofen on this page. > > > > Jan > > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner > > for $10 or > > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS- > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009