Hi, Jan, We've corresponded before on the Mohler/Moulder line. The John Mohler/Moulder family is not related to the Robert Moulder family of Marcus Hooks (Robert was a sailmaker and his heritage was English). I descend from the "German" emigrant, John Mohler who died near Maynardsville, TN in 1810 and was probably born in Hassloch, Prussia (now part of Germany). I have not proven his absolute birth date -- what is your source? I use "about 1734" in my files still. I paid for my Moulder uncle's Y-DNA test last year and discovered that our DNA is very close to the Ludwig and Henry Mohlers of Ephrata, Lancaster Co, PA. We now believe the Mohlers were from Basel (or just east of it), Switzerland, with John's grandfather having moved into what is now southwestern Germany near Speyer on the Rhine River where they were shepherds. John Mohler, some or all of his siblings and probably his father came to PA where Ludwig's family had settled. This DNA discovery was a big breakthrough on our family research! We are now leaning towards John Mohler's father being Heinrich Johann (or Johann Heinrich) Mohler (a.ka. "Henry Mohler") born and christened 1711 in Hassloch, Germany, and possibly a brother or cousin of Ludwig's. Henry's wife was Maria Catharina Drucktenhengst, b. 1708 in Hofheim, Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany. I agree that Susannah Swingle, John's wife, was probably of the Zwingli line, but haven't proven anything on her except for a death date and location. Much more there to research! I believe my gggg-grandfather, Jacob Moulder b. 1775, was probably the first of the Mohlers to use "Moulder" as his surname, probably in an attempt to become more American. He is using it by 1802 in Orange Co, NC, where he purchased land and married (Elizabeth Borland). There is surviving correspondence between Jacob and other members of the family back east which use "Mohler" for those in NC and VA, so we know it's the same family. Jacob was not a Quaker, but some of his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren married Quaker spouses (Braxton, Carter, Ellis, Farlow, Hadley, Lindley, Millis, Nixon, Pickett, etc.). Jacob's son, John Moulder, married Eleanor Maris; she was disowned by the Society but later regained her membership in Parke Co, IN. John did become a member (I think in Parke Co at the Bloomingdale MM), and was a member in several meetings in Howard Co, IN. Still lots to research on the Mohler/Moulder line ... Eleanor Rayl > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:29:17 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [Q-R] Moulder/Mohler > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I have not actually proven the information I collected about the  > Moulder/Mohler family.   My records show that the emigrant John  > Mohler/Moulder was born > May 27 1733 in Basel, Switzerland, and died May 27 1810  in Union County, > Maynardsville, TN   His parents are believed to be  Heinrich/Henry Mohler > (1708->1748) and Catharina XX.   John Moulder  is said to have migrated from > PA to NC > before the American Revolution (about  1770) and was a cobbler and > saddler.   > (The name MOHLER is a fairly  common Swiss Anabaptist name even now.  I went > to school with a  lot of Mohlers.   The information I found on line > suggested > that  MOHLER somehow became MOULDER over the years.) > > The putative wife found for John Mohler/Moulder is Emigrant Susannah  > Swingle > (1737-1833).   She was born in Switzerland or Prussia, died at  > Maynardsville, Grainger County, TN.   (I presume Grainger and Union  County > are perhaps the > same place, just having undergone some boundary  changes.)  The marriage > date > I have for these folks is c1763 in  PA.   Children I have for John & > Susannah > are: > >     Henry Moulder (1765->1850). >     Susa (1767-1839) >     Mary (1769-        ) >     Elizabeth (1770  -         ) >     Catherine (1772 - >1838) >     John (1773-1801) >     Jacob (1775-1846) >     Valentine "Felty" (1776-1833) > > There is an tradition within the family that Susannah Swingle and her  > sister > were unwilling immigrants, that the young Swiss girls were visiting  the > docks,  were lured aboard a ship, then locked in.   When they  arrived in > Philadelphia, the girls were sold for their passage  money.  They wound up > being > purchased and "properly  reared" by the senior Moulder family.   Louis > Moulder/Mohler  later married the sister (whose name I don't yet have), and > John > Moulder/Mohler  married Susannah.   (Incidentally, the Swingle name sounds a > lot like  > Zwingli, an important name among German and Swiss Anabaptists (Mennonites > and  > Dunkards).   > > Children credited to Henry/Heinrich Mohler  and wife Catharina XX  are: > >     Lewis (1730-    ) >     John   (1733-1810) >     Anna Maria (1734 - ) >     Valentine (1735-<1804) >     Johan Jacob (1736 -    ) >     Margaret (1743-    ) >     Anna Catharina (1747-      ) > > There is also another line of information that puts Henry/Heinrich as son  > of > Robert Moulder/Moler b 1650 and wife Jane XX.    If this  family was Swiss > German, this last batch of stuff just doesn't sound plausible  to me.   > Robert > is not a German name, nor is Jane.   So if  these are truly the parents of > these fine folks, then the MOHLER stuff is  unlikely. > > Happy hunting. > > Jan > ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? 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Hello, I am interested in your Mohler's. I'm wondering if my Mohler's possibly were from the same family, but immigrated later. I don't have my documents in front of me at the moment, but my most recent ancestor is Catharine Mohler, married to _____ Rehr (can't remember his first name at the moment. Her father's name was Michael. She would have been born c. 1830?, in France if I remember right, in the Alsace-Lorraine region, on the Rhine River. They were Catholic, and immigrated when Catharine was a girl, if I remember right. Maybe circa 1840-1850? They settled in Nicktown, Cambria County, PA. I don't believe I have anyone to DNA test, but I'll try to see. For a while I was in contact with a relative I believe still living in France. Katie Rennie Sorry I sent this twice to you, I didn't have replyall on, so it didn't go to the list! > From: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 18:01:36 -0400 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Mohler/Moulder > > Hi, Jan, > > We've corresponded before on the Mohler/Moulder line. > > The John Mohler/Moulder family is not related to the Robert Moulder family of > Marcus Hooks (Robert was a sailmaker and his heritage was English). I descend > from the "German" emigrant, John Mohler who died near Maynardsville, TN in > 1810 and was probably born in Hassloch, Prussia (now part of Germany). I have > not proven his absolute birth date -- what is your source? I use "about 1734" in > my files still. > > I paid for my Moulder uncle's Y-DNA test last year and discovered that our > DNA is very close to the Ludwig and Henry Mohlers of Ephrata, Lancaster Co, PA. > We now believe the Mohlers were from Basel (or just east of it), Switzerland, > with John's grandfather having moved into what is now southwestern Germany > near Speyer on the Rhine River where they were shepherds. John Mohler, some or > all of his siblings and probably his father came to PA where Ludwig's family had > settled. This DNA discovery was a big breakthrough on our family research! We > are now leaning towards John Mohler's father being Heinrich Johann (or Johann > Heinrich) Mohler (a.ka. "Henry Mohler") born and christened 1711 in Hassloch, > Germany, and possibly a brother or cousin of Ludwig's. Henry's wife was Maria > Catharina Drucktenhengst, b. 1708 in Hofheim, Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany. > > I agree that Susannah Swingle, John's wife, was probably of the Zwingli line, > but haven't proven anything on her except for a death date and location. Much > more there to research! > > I believe my gggg-grandfather, Jacob Moulder b. 1775, was probably the first > of the Mohlers to use "Moulder" as his surname, probably in an attempt to > become more American. He is using it by 1802 in Orange Co, NC, where he purchased > land and married (Elizabeth Borland). There is surviving correspondence > between Jacob and other members of the family back east which use "Mohler" for those > in NC and VA, so we know it's the same family. > > Jacob was not a Quaker, but some of his children, grandchildren and > great-grandchildren married Quaker spouses (Braxton, Carter, Ellis, Farlow, Hadley, > Lindley, Millis, Nixon, Pickett, etc.). Jacob's son, John Moulder, married > Eleanor Maris; she was disowned by the Society but later regained her membership in > Parke Co, IN. John did become a member (I think in Parke Co at the > Bloomingdale MM), and was a member in several meetings in Howard Co, IN. > > Still lots to research on the Mohler/Moulder line ... > > Eleanor Rayl > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:29:17 EDT > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: [Q-R] Moulder/Mohler > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I have not actually proven the information I collected about the > > Moulder/Mohler family. My records show that the emigrant John > > Mohler/Moulder was born > > May 27 1733 in Basel, Switzerland, and died May 27 1810 in Union County, > > Maynardsville, TN His parents are believed to be Heinrich/Henry Mohler > > (1708->1748) and Catharina XX. John Moulder is said to have migrated from > > PA to NC > > before the American Revolution (about 1770) and was a cobbler and > > saddler. > > (The name MOHLER is a fairly common Swiss Anabaptist name even now. I went > > to school with a lot of Mohlers. The information I found on line > > suggested > > that MOHLER somehow became MOULDER over the years.) > > > > The putative wife found for John Mohler/Moulder is Emigrant Susannah > > Swingle > > (1737-1833). She was born in Switzerland or Prussia, died at > > Maynardsville, Grainger County, TN. (I presume Grainger and Union County > > are perhaps the > > same place, just having undergone some boundary changes.) The marriage > > date > > I have for these folks is c1763 in PA. Children I have for John & > > Susannah > > are: > > > > Henry Moulder (1765->1850). > > Susa (1767-1839) > > Mary (1769- ) > > Elizabeth (1770 - ) > > Catherine (1772 - >1838) > > John (1773-1801) > > Jacob (1775-1846) > > Valentine "Felty" (1776-1833) > > > > There is an tradition within the family that Susannah Swingle and her > > sister > > were unwilling immigrants, that the young Swiss girls were visiting the > > docks, were lured aboard a ship, then locked in. When they arrived in > > Philadelphia, the girls were sold for their passage money. They wound up > > being > > purchased and "properly reared" by the senior Moulder family. Louis > > Moulder/Mohler later married the sister (whose name I don't yet have), and > > John > > Moulder/Mohler married Susannah. (Incidentally, the Swingle name sounds a > > lot like > > Zwingli, an important name among German and Swiss Anabaptists (Mennonites > > and > > Dunkards). > > > > Children credited to Henry/Heinrich Mohler and wife Catharina XX are: > > > > Lewis (1730- ) > > John (1733-1810) > > Anna Maria (1734 - ) > > Valentine (1735-<1804) > > Johan Jacob (1736 - ) > > Margaret (1743- ) > > Anna Catharina (1747- ) > > > > There is also another line of information that puts Henry/Heinrich as son > > of > > Robert Moulder/Moler b 1650 and wife Jane XX. If this family was Swiss > > German, this last batch of stuff just doesn't sound plausible to me. > > Robert > > is not a German name, nor is Jane. So if these are truly the parents of > > these fine folks, then the MOHLER stuff is unlikely. > > > > Happy hunting. > > > > Jan > > > > > > > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. 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Actually I did find some of my files: Catharine married Joseph Rehr, b. 15 June 1825, d. 7 Sept 1900. Her father Michael, died in Nicktown, 1 Mar 1869. Catharine and Joseph's daughter, Caroline Rehr, was my grandmother's grandmother. Katie Again, sorry I sent this twice! > From: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 18:01:36 -0400 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Mohler/Moulder > > Hi, Jan, > > We've corresponded before on the Mohler/Moulder line. > > The John Mohler/Moulder family is not related to the Robert Moulder family of > Marcus Hooks (Robert was a sailmaker and his heritage was English). I descend > from the "German" emigrant, John Mohler who died near Maynardsville, TN in > 1810 and was probably born in Hassloch, Prussia (now part of Germany). I have > not proven his absolute birth date -- what is your source? I use "about 1734" in > my files still. > > I paid for my Moulder uncle's Y-DNA test last year and discovered that our > DNA is very close to the Ludwig and Henry Mohlers of Ephrata, Lancaster Co, PA. > We now believe the Mohlers were from Basel (or just east of it), Switzerland, > with John's grandfather having moved into what is now southwestern Germany > near Speyer on the Rhine River where they were shepherds. John Mohler, some or > all of his siblings and probably his father came to PA where Ludwig's family had > settled. This DNA discovery was a big breakthrough on our family research! We > are now leaning towards John Mohler's father being Heinrich Johann (or Johann > Heinrich) Mohler (a.ka. "Henry Mohler") born and christened 1711 in Hassloch, > Germany, and possibly a brother or cousin of Ludwig's. Henry's wife was Maria > Catharina Drucktenhengst, b. 1708 in Hofheim, Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany. > > I agree that Susannah Swingle, John's wife, was probably of the Zwingli line, > but haven't proven anything on her except for a death date and location. Much > more there to research! > > I believe my gggg-grandfather, Jacob Moulder b. 1775, was probably the first > of the Mohlers to use "Moulder" as his surname, probably in an attempt to > become more American. He is using it by 1802 in Orange Co, NC, where he purchased > land and married (Elizabeth Borland). There is surviving correspondence > between Jacob and other members of the family back east which use "Mohler" for those > in NC and VA, so we know it's the same family. > > Jacob was not a Quaker, but some of his children, grandchildren and > great-grandchildren married Quaker spouses (Braxton, Carter, Ellis, Farlow, Hadley, > Lindley, Millis, Nixon, Pickett, etc.). Jacob's son, John Moulder, married > Eleanor Maris; she was disowned by the Society but later regained her membership in > Parke Co, IN. John did become a member (I think in Parke Co at the > Bloomingdale MM), and was a member in several meetings in Howard Co, IN. > > Still lots to research on the Mohler/Moulder line ... > > Eleanor Rayl > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:29:17 EDT > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: [Q-R] Moulder/Mohler > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I have not actually proven the information I collected about the > > Moulder/Mohler family. My records show that the emigrant John > > Mohler/Moulder was born > > May 27 1733 in Basel, Switzerland, and died May 27 1810 in Union County, > > Maynardsville, TN His parents are believed to be Heinrich/Henry Mohler > > (1708->1748) and Catharina XX. John Moulder is said to have migrated from > > PA to NC > > before the American Revolution (about 1770) and was a cobbler and > > saddler. > > (The name MOHLER is a fairly common Swiss Anabaptist name even now. I went > > to school with a lot of Mohlers. The information I found on line > > suggested > > that MOHLER somehow became MOULDER over the years.) > > > > The putative wife found for John Mohler/Moulder is Emigrant Susannah > > Swingle > > (1737-1833). She was born in Switzerland or Prussia, died at > > Maynardsville, Grainger County, TN. (I presume Grainger and Union County > > are perhaps the > > same place, just having undergone some boundary changes.) The marriage > > date > > I have for these folks is c1763 in PA. Children I have for John & > > Susannah > > are: > > > > Henry Moulder (1765->1850). > > Susa (1767-1839) > > Mary (1769- ) > > Elizabeth (1770 - ) > > Catherine (1772 - >1838) > > John (1773-1801) > > Jacob (1775-1846) > > Valentine "Felty" (1776-1833) > > > > There is an tradition within the family that Susannah Swingle and her > > sister > > were unwilling immigrants, that the young Swiss girls were visiting the > > docks, were lured aboard a ship, then locked in. When they arrived in > > Philadelphia, the girls were sold for their passage money. They wound up > > being > > purchased and "properly reared" by the senior Moulder family. Louis > > Moulder/Mohler later married the sister (whose name I don't yet have), and > > John > > Moulder/Mohler married Susannah. (Incidentally, the Swingle name sounds a > > lot like > > Zwingli, an important name among German and Swiss Anabaptists (Mennonites > > and > > Dunkards). > > > > Children credited to Henry/Heinrich Mohler and wife Catharina XX are: > > > > Lewis (1730- ) > > John (1733-1810) > > Anna Maria (1734 - ) > > Valentine (1735-<1804) > > Johan Jacob (1736 - ) > > Margaret (1743- ) > > Anna Catharina (1747- ) > > > > There is also another line of information that puts Henry/Heinrich as son > > of > > Robert Moulder/Moler b 1650 and wife Jane XX. If this family was Swiss > > German, this last batch of stuff just doesn't sound plausible to me. > > Robert > > is not a German name, nor is Jane. So if these are truly the parents of > > these fine folks, then the MOHLER stuff is unlikely. > > > > Happy hunting. > > > > Jan > > > > > > > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. 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