My first message doesn't seem to be coming through....I'm sending it again, below: Hello, I am interested in your Mohler's. I'm wondering if my Mohler's possibly were from the same family, but immigrated later. I don't have my documents in front of me at the moment, but my most recent ancestor is Catharine Mohler, married to _____ Rehr (can't remember his first name at the moment. Her father's name was Michael. She would have been born c. 1830?, in France if I remember right, in the Alsace-Lorraine region, on the Rhine River. They were Catholic, and immigrated when Catharine was a girl, if I remember right. Maybe circa 1840-1850? They settled in Nicktown, Cambria County, PA. I don't believe I have anyone to DNA test, but I'll try to see. For a while I was in contact with a relative I believe still living in France. Katie Rennie Sorry I sent this twice to you, I didn't have replyall on, so it didn't go to the list! > From: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 18:01:36 -0400 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Mohler/Moulder > > Hi, Jan, > > We've corresponded before on the Mohler/Moulder line. > > The John Mohler/Moulder family is not related to the Robert Moulder family of > Marcus Hooks (Robert was a sailmaker and his heritage was English). I descend > from the "German" emigrant, John Mohler who died near Maynardsville, TN in > 1810 and was probably born in Hassloch, Prussia (now part of Germany). I have > not proven his absolute birth date -- what is your source? I use "about 1734" in > my files still. > > I paid for my Moulder uncle's Y-DNA test last year and discovered that our > DNA is very close to the Ludwig and Henry Mohlers of Ephrata, Lancaster Co, PA. > We now believe the Mohlers were from Basel (or just east of it), Switzerland, > with John's grandfather having moved into what is now southwestern Germany > near Speyer on the Rhine River where they were shepherds. John Mohler, some or > all of his siblings and probably his father came to PA where Ludwig's family had > settled. This DNA discovery was a big breakthrough on our family research! We > are now leaning towards John Mohler's father being Heinrich Johann (or Johann > Heinrich) Mohler (a.ka. "Henry Mohler") born and christened 1711 in Hassloch, > Germany, and possibly a brother or cousin of Ludwig's. Henry's wife was Maria > Catharina Drucktenhengst, b. 1708 in Hofheim, Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany. > > I agree that Susannah Swingle, John's wife, was probably of the Zwingli line, > but haven't proven anything on her except for a death date and location. Much > more there to research! > > I believe my gggg-grandfather, Jacob Moulder b. 1775, was probably the first > of the Mohlers to use "Moulder" as his surname, probably in an attempt to > become more American. He is using it by 1802 in Orange Co, NC, where he purchased > land and married (Elizabeth Borland). There is surviving correspondence > between Jacob and other members of the family back east which use "Mohler" for those > in NC and VA, so we know it's the same family. > > Jacob was not a Quaker, but some of his children, grandchildren and > great-grandchildren married Quaker spouses (Braxton, Carter, Ellis, Farlow, Hadley, > Lindley, Millis, Nixon, Pickett, etc.). Jacob's son, John Moulder, married > Eleanor Maris; she was disowned by the Society but later regained her membership in > Parke Co, IN. John did become a member (I think in Parke Co at the > Bloomingdale MM), and was a member in several meetings in Howard Co, IN. > > Still lots to research on the Mohler/Moulder line ... > > Eleanor Rayl > > > > Message: 11 > > Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:29:17 EDT > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: [Q-R] Moulder/Mohler > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > I have not actually proven the information I collected about the > > Moulder/Mohler family. My records show that the emigrant John > > Mohler/Moulder was born > > May 27 1733 in Basel, Switzerland, and died May 27 1810 in Union County, > > Maynardsville, TN His parents are believed to be Heinrich/Henry Mohler > > (1708->1748) and Catharina XX. John Moulder is said to have migrated from > > PA to NC > > before the American Revolution (about 1770) and was a cobbler and > > saddler. > > (The name MOHLER is a fairly common Swiss Anabaptist name even now. I went > > to school with a lot of Mohlers. The information I found on line > > suggested > > that MOHLER somehow became MOULDER over the years.) > > > > The putative wife found for John Mohler/Moulder is Emigrant Susannah > > Swingle > > (1737-1833). She was born in Switzerland or Prussia, died at > > Maynardsville, Grainger County, TN. (I presume Grainger and Union County > > are perhaps the > > same place, just having undergone some boundary changes.) The marriage > > date > > I have for these folks is c1763 in PA. Children I have for John & > > Susannah > > are: > > > > Henry Moulder (1765->1850). > > Susa (1767-1839) > > Mary (1769- ) > > Elizabeth (1770 - ) > > Catherine (1772 - >1838) > > John (1773-1801) > > Jacob (1775-1846) > > Valentine "Felty" (1776-1833) > > > > There is an tradition within the family that Susannah Swingle and her > > sister > > were unwilling immigrants, that the young Swiss girls were visiting the > > docks, were lured aboard a ship, then locked in. When they arrived in > > Philadelphia, the girls were sold for their passage money. They wound up > > being > > purchased and "properly reared" by the senior Moulder family. Louis > > Moulder/Mohler later married the sister (whose name I don't yet have), and > > John > > Moulder/Mohler married Susannah. (Incidentally, the Swingle name sounds a > > lot like > > Zwingli, an important name among German and Swiss Anabaptists (Mennonites > > and > > Dunkards). > > > > Children credited to Henry/Heinrich Mohler and wife Catharina XX are: > > > > Lewis (1730- ) > > John (1733-1810) > > Anna Maria (1734 - ) > > Valentine (1735-<1804) > > Johan Jacob (1736 - ) > > Margaret (1743- ) > > Anna Catharina (1747- ) > > > > There is also another line of information that puts Henry/Heinrich as son > > of > > Robert Moulder/Moler b 1650 and wife Jane XX. If this family was Swiss > > German, this last batch of stuff just doesn't sound plausible to me. > > Robert > > is not a German name, nor is Jane. So if these are truly the parents of > > these fine folks, then the MOHLER stuff is unlikely. > > > > Happy hunting. > > > > Jan > > > > > > > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or > less. 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