I just got back from a week long workshop to solve this brickwall and did. I will explain more tomorrow, but Ebenezer and Lydia Ellis Swain wrote their will in 1813; Shubael and his brother Valentine were supposed to have died at sea in 1808 in NY. I read the entire will and Shubael is in it and Valentine isn't. I don't know the circumstances of Valentines death at sea but would like to learn more about the circumstance;, but I was totally elated as I now have his genealogy all the way back to the first Swain who came to NH and the son that came to Nantucket. So my Shubael is their son and I have proved all of the old records and the Nantucket Vital Record books to be wrong- including the Barney Collection and the William C Folger Collection and the Worth Collection.. So I now know his entire history and that of his ancestors. And I am going to write something about it so that people will have the correct information. I did some reading about The Society of Friends and must admit that I have a lot of questions about it that I would like to know more about. I now do not think that the Swains were very active in the Society, although his grandparents are listed in a book but not his parents. Hinshaws Encyclopedia does not include Mass, so that was disappointing, but I browsed a fantastic book on microfilm as well as some other books and got some things. Will tell more tomorrow or the next day- am bushed. Sue Maxwell