I have read a bit of the book now and apparently it is very incomplete in its records. That gives me a bit of hope. I also just found out that although their will is written in 1813, Ebenezer died in 1825. Perhaps with so many deaths of children, they did this early. I saw him on some census records and on the 1800 he is living next to the grandchildren's family. It is a very interesting book to read and I wish I had time, right now, to completely read it. And you are right, if he gave to grandchildren, in NYC are some more, if mine is the same Shubael as his. Would Shubael Swain's death at sea be recorded in Quaker records? I would like to see more specific information about how that was determined. Sue