Sorry Mark for sending you so many of this. Didn't realize it was being sent only to you and not the list. Susan Spies From: [email protected]: [email protected]: RE: [Q-R] DAR Lineage BooksDate: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:07:37 -0600 I have been reading this discussion with interest as I am the Registrar and Lineage Research Committee Chair for my NSDAR (National Society Daughters of American Revolution) chapter. As such, I have the job of preparing applications for prospective members and having all information correct and acceptable according to the standards of the National Society. Each generation (first generation is always the applicant) must be documented with primary documentations, (birth, death, marriage certificates, census data, wills and probate records, just to mention a few). Secondary information is acceptable only if primary is not available and supporting documentation is requested for anything that is secondary. That means, for every person in the direct line, including spouses married into the direct line, there must be corresponding documentation. And not all forms of printed information is acceptable. NSDAR is very precise in what they will or will not accept. After the Chapter Registrar has finished with the application and supporting documents, it is forwarded to National where it is poured over by a Genealogy Department which is very impressive, well educated and dedicated to getting the information 'right'. They will review all documents and forward it to the Board or they will send it back to the Chapter with a letter indicating what information is lacking. The Chapter Registrar then has the job of redoing that generation, including researching it herself or helping the prospective research it. If the Board reviews the application and accepts it for membership, the Registrar is advised of their decision. They meet every 2 months to conduct business, of which applications is only a portion. The following is a list of acceptable forms of service. Signers of the Declaration of IndependenceMilitary ServiceContinental ArmyContinental NavyThe MarinesState and local militiasState naviesPrivateersCivil ServicePatriotic Service, including: Committees of Correspondence, Provincial Congresses, State Governors, State LegislatorsMembers of the FIrst Continental Congress Committees of SafetyRevolutionary CommitteesSigners of the Oaths of AllegienceSigners of PetitionsDefenders of Forts and StationsDoctors, nurses, ministers who gave patriotic sermonsPrisoners of War or RefugeesPrisoners on the British Ship New Jersey and other prison shipsThose who rendered material aid, ie food, a place to sleep or camp or pass thru, a drink of water. It can be the smallest thing imaginable as long as there is documentation for it. I belong to numerous other lineage societies and have always been told that NSDAR is the most precise in regards to documenting evidence of any society. I have filed papers for prospectives of some of these organizations and none have ever been as demanding of proper documentation as NSDAR. Also, the National Society has excellent training classes for field genealogists who wish to attend. The first training is a thorough evaluation of the information needed and are generally held on a State or Regional level. The second, a more intense course, is held at NSDAR and lasts for 4 days during which trainees have the opportunity to use the NSDAR library, a fantastic resource open to everyone. Personally, I am proud to be a member of an organization dedicated to 'getting it right' rather than relying on poorly documented information. After all, genealogy without documentation is mythology. And the primary reason for most of this is to document the participation of the men and women who struggled to provide the freedom we enjoy today. If you have any questions, just ask. I'm always open to questions, etc. Sorry this is so long but I just wanted to clarify things. Hope I did and didn't make things more confusing. Susan > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:50:58 -0500> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [Q-R] DAR Lineage Books> > > To qualify for dar they have to have service (listed in a active > > soldiers -> > and there are many of those) or "provided aid and comfort" to soldiers"> > which is how there are women patriots listed in dar. The "bar" is there > > has> > to be documented evidence. I had to get the enrollment papers from the> > library of congress on one of my ancestors and he was listed with a group > > of> > other quakers from bucks county penns and it showed active service.> > >From a DAR website ( http://www.athensohiodar.org/other-ancestors.html):> > "Even if your ancestor wasn't one of the signers of the Declaration of > Independence, he would be recognized as a Patriot if he signed an Oath of > Allegiance. In 1776 the Continental Congress requested each state to take an > oath of allegiance from each of its male citizens over 21 years of age in > order to determine the strength of the patriot movement and to identify the > loyalists. Those who took such an oath, or signed local declarations of > independence from England, were guilty of treason under English law and > subject to death by hanging."> > Mark > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009

I have the same problem with replies--neglecting to get them to the list. I am one of those Susan described as having taken the 4 day course in Washington and hence am a DAR Certified Genealogy Specialist. This course doesn't teach you to "do genealogy." It teaches what the DAR requires for acceptance into the Society. I am also a NYS Vice Chairman of Lineage Research. As such, it is my job to help Chapter Registrars and prospectives with their research and applications when requested. The requirements for admission are definitely stringent. The complaint was about who was considered a person who aided the cause of the American Revolution. It is difficult for me comprehend how someone who subjected him or herself to execution by the British could not be considered as somneone who aided in the Revolution. After all, the English had far superior troops, numbers, training, etc. The colonists were not really supposed to win the war. Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Attorney, historian, genealogist, grandmother 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: Susan Spies <[email protected]> To: Quaker list Rootsweb <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 1:11:14 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] DAR Lineage Books Sorry Mark for sending you so many of this. Didn't realize it was being sent only to you and not the list. Susan Spies From: [email protected]: [email protected]: RE: [Q-R] DAR Lineage BooksDate: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:07:37 -0600 I have been reading this discussion with interest as I am the Registrar and Lineage Research Committee Chair for my NSDAR (National Society Daughters of American Revolution) chapter. As such, I have the job of preparing applications for prospective members and having all information correct and acceptable according to the standards of the National Society. Each generation (first generation is always the applicant) must be documented with primary documentations, (birth, death, marriage certificates, census data, wills and probate records, just to mention a few). Secondary information is acceptable only if primary is not available and supporting documentation is requested for anything that is secondary. That means, for every person in the direct line, including spouses married into the direct line, there must be corresponding documentation. And not all forms of printed information is acceptable. NSDAR is very precise in what they will or will not accept. After the Chapter Registrar has finished with the application and supporting documents, it is forwarded to National where it is poured over by a Genealogy Department which is very impressive, well educated and dedicated to getting the information 'right'. They will review all documents and forward it to the Board or they will send it back to the Chapter with a letter indicating what information is lacking. The Chapter Registrar then has the job of redoing that generation, including researching it herself or helping the prospective research it. If the Board reviews the application and accepts it for membership, the Registrar is advised of their decision. They meet every 2 months to conduct business, of which applications is only a portion. The following is a list of acceptable forms of service. Signers of the Declaration of IndependenceMilitary ServiceContinental ArmyContinental NavyThe MarinesState and local militiasState naviesPrivateersCivil ServicePatriotic Service, including: Committees of Correspondence, Provincial Congresses, State Governors, State LegislatorsMembers of the FIrst Continental Congress Committees of SafetyRevolutionary CommitteesSigners of the Oaths of AllegienceSigners of PetitionsDefenders of Forts and StationsDoctors, nurses, ministers who gave patriotic sermonsPrisoners of War or RefugeesPrisoners on the British Ship New Jersey and other prison shipsThose who rendered material aid, ie food, a place to sleep or camp or pass thru, a drink of water. It can be the smallest thing imaginable as long as there is documentation for it. I belong to numerous other lineage societies and have always been told that NSDAR is the most precise in regards to documenting evidence of any society. I have filed papers for prospectives of some of these organizations and none have ever been as demanding of proper documentation as NSDAR. Also, the National Society has excellent training classes for field genealogists who wish to attend. The first training is a thorough evaluation of the information needed and are generally held on a State or Regional level. The second, a more intense course, is held at NSDAR and lasts for 4 days during which trainees have the opportunity to use the NSDAR library, a fantastic resource open to everyone. Personally, I am proud to be a member of an organization dedicated to 'getting it right' rather than relying on poorly documented information. After all, genealogy without documentation is mythology. And the primary reason for most of this is to document the participation of the men and women who struggled to provide the freedom we enjoy today. If you have any questions, just ask. I'm always open to questions, etc. Sorry this is so long but I just wanted to clarify things. Hope I did and didn't make things more confusing. Susan > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:50:58 -0500> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [Q-R] DAR Lineage Books> > > To qualify for dar they have to have service (listed in a active > > soldiers -> > and there are many of those) or "provided aid and comfort" to soldiers"> > which is how there are women patriots listed in dar. The "bar" is there > > has> > to be documented evidence. I had to get the enrollment papers from the> > library of congress on one of my ancestors and he was listed with a group > > of> > other quakers from bucks county penns and it showed active service.> > >From a DAR website ( http://www.athensohiodar.org/other-ancestors.html):> > "Even if your ancestor wasn't one of the signers of the Declaration of > Independence, he would be recognized as a Patriot if he signed an Oath of > Allegiance. In 1776 the Continental Congress requested each state to take an > oath of allegiance from each of its male citizens over 21 years of age in > order to determine the strength of the patriot movement and to identify the > loyalists. Those who took such an oath, or signed local declarations of > independence from England, were guilty of treason under English law and > subject to death by hanging."> > Mark > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. 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