The Nantucket Hist Soc. won't talk to me about the subject anymore. They have the Barney Collections and they insist it is absolutely correct. I have read those and the William Folger collections- both just say "died at sea" and I don't know how that was determined. That is what is bugging me. Who are some of your Swains. Mine moved from Mass to NYC and one son to Ohio. Shubael two known sons and daughter and has two unknown daughters. The knowns are Shubael Edgar ( my gg) Valentine, (moved to Ohio and his sons moved out west) Sarah Anne, who lived in Brooklyn and married Isaac Leggett. SE, after marriage lived in Jersey City and was a prominent NYC lawyer. His son Edgar is my g grandfather and his daughter married William VanVorst, but died after childbirth. I am sure they had relatives in other states. My grandmother, Eva Swain ( daughter of Edgar) was the first American girl to be the premiere danseuse at the Met and was the youngest in the world. There are articles in her scrapbook from other states, so I am suspicious that there were relatives around. I am co-authoring a book about her life and the ancestors will be the background for the book. That is why I want to crack this brick wall, although it is not crucial. Isaac Leggett was a Quaker but must have changed as he and Sarah were married in a Methodist Church. His twin brother remained Quaker, though- Abraham Leggett. Sue

Hi, I have an ancestor Jacob James (Jan 1 1823-Nov 16 1891) in Berks County PA. I think his parents were Samuel (1794-May 21 1835)& Lydia[unknown] (died 1872) James. But have not been able to confirm it. I have never researched Quakers and do not know where to start. They are not listed in Hinshaw Quaker research. Samuel is listed in a Society of Friends Book at the Berks Genealogical Society in Robson and Reading Meetings he is the son of Joseph and Lydia [Thomas] James. In the 1830 census Samuel has two sons in Jacob's age column. I will be visiting Reading area in March and could visit somewhere they might have records stored. Michelle {mostly PA Dutch}

Sue Maxwell: Try: "The History of Nantucket County, Island and Town including Genealaogies of First Settlers" by Alexander Starbuck. Alexander Starbuck is also author of the "History of the American Whale Fishery, etc." (There are genealogies in my book; and includes those for the SWAIN Family. Contact: Higginson Book Company 148 Washington Street, Post Office Box 778 Salem, Massachussetts 01970 Phone 978/745-7170 www.higginsonbooks.com Remember that Nantucket is known for its whaling industry! Much of this type of information may be found in this book; and here you will find such information as "died at sea"! There are long lists of names of men or specific vessels. Page 668: "What maybe, perhaps not inaptly, termed the clannishness of the descendents of the First Purchasers, is illustrated by a title doggerel written by some one who had no fear of tribal displeasure nor any respect for the family pride of those he lampoons. * It appeared in two stanzas, published about 1834 and the irreverent writer thus characheerized his victims: "The Rays and Russels, coopers are, The knowing Folgers lazy, A lying Coleman very rare, An scarce a learned Hussey. The Coffins noisey, fractious, loud. The silent Gardens plodding, The Mitchells good, the Barkers proud, The Macys eat th pudding." As though that was not enough, some supper-reckless individ- Ual added the following for good measure: "The Swains are swinish, clownish called, The Barnards very civil, The Starbucks they are loud to bawl, Anc Pindhans beat tge devuk,"! In a large part of the ealy history if the Iskland the rule has To follow the dates as shown by the Records. Those, after so Large a number of the residents had become Friends, followed the Custom of the Friends in using numerals to express months. **** Violet Moore Guy [email protected] 01/11/2009 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sue Maxwell Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Q-R] Shubael Swain- Ebenezer and Lydia's will/ NantucketHistorical Society The Nantucket Hist Soc. won't talk to me about the subject anymore. They have the Barney Collections and they insist it is absolutely correct. I have read those and the William Folger collections- both just say "died at sea" and I don't know how that was determined. That is what is bugging me. Who are some of your Swains. Mine moved from Mass to NYC and one son to Ohio. Shubael two known sons and daughter and has two unknown daughters. The knowns are Shubael Edgar ( my gg) Valentine, (moved to Ohio and his sons moved out west) Sarah Anne, who lived in Brooklyn and married Isaac Leggett. SE, after marriage lived in Jersey City and was a prominent NYC lawyer. His son Edgar is my g grandfather and his daughter married William VanVorst, but died after childbirth. I am sure they had relatives in other states. My grandmother, Eva Swain ( daughter of Edgar) was the first American girl to be the premiere danseuse at the Met and was the youngest in the world. There are articles in her scrapbook from other states, so I am suspicious that there were relatives around. I am co-authoring a book about her life and the ancestors will be the background for the book. That is why I want to crack this brick wall, although it is not crucial. Isaac Leggett was a Quaker but must have changed as he and Sarah were married in a Methodist Church. His twin brother remained Quaker, though- Abraham Leggett. Sue ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message