Linda Dabulewicz, 1. I do no people genealogy, but the database now online at www.MonthlyMeetings.com can identify monthly meetings, the location for their records storage and the reel numbers for the LDS or other microfilm of their records. I searched by Wayne County, NY and found only Junius MM (Hicksite branch) whose last meeting place was in that county. https://www.quakermeetings.com/Plone/meeting_view?anID=1669 Perhaps I need to hear the name of the local meeting at Walworth. 2. Jim Hazard's extraordinary name index for every meeting in New York Yearly Meeting is a great place to start. http://www.swarthmore.edu/Library/friends/hazard/ While I seldom search Hazard, I found 296 Robbins and 46 Robins entries, most obviously in Westbury but none in Junius MM under either spelling. When I looked at Butternuts _Monthly Meeting_ in Otsego County and when I did a General Word Search of the entire database, I found no reference to Walworth Preparative Meeting in Wayne County. Here is the Butternuts (Hicksite) record: https://www.quakermeetings.com/Plone/search_display?MeetingName=Butternuts This lack of more references to Wayne County may be my deficiency; for New York YM, I have not added the counties for the PMs the way I have done for Baltimore Yearly Meeting and for various Ohio and Indiana meetings. We do have that sort of information in the list of NYYM local meetings made by John Cox for the WPA. I will try to add that information to www.MonthlyMeetings.com as soon as I finish a major project I am doing for the Baltimore YM Trustees, though that project will still require several months. 3. Jim Hazard is now working his way through Philadelphia Yearly Meeting preparing his name index. As I recall he has done over 20 monthly meetings, already including Horsham: https://www.quakermeetings.com/Plone/meeting_view?anID=1364 I understand that Friends Historical Library has not yet put the Hazard PYM name indices on-line as it has for NYYM. I recall that the Swarthmore IT folks are awaiting Hazard's completion of PYM and then will post the full PYM name index on-line. Until then the bound Hazard indices are available at FHL. Tom Hill Thomas C. Hill Charlottesville, VA 22901-6355 U.S.A. formerly Cincinnati, OH www.QuakerMeetings.com E-mail: MonthlyMeetings@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: quaker-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Linda Dabulewicz Sent: Sunday, 19 August, 2012 11:48 AM To: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [Q-R] New subscriber? Hello, I just found your list this morning and I have lots of questions. On my father's side of the family I have several Butternuts Quakers all related to the Robbins/Mathewson family. My great great great grandfather's half sister is buried in a Hicksite cemetery in Walworth, Wayne County. I would love to learn more about the Wayne County New York Hicksites. On my mother's side I am related to German Quakers of Montgomery County, Pa. This family was already established in Horsham in the 1740s. I am not sure how early the Stempel family arrived in America, but I found my fifth great grandfather Stempel receiving permission to marry at the Monthly meeting in 1776. :) I am hoping to learn more about my Quaker roots. I lean toward the Hicksite ideal myself . Linda

Hello , I just found your list this morning and I have lots of questions. On my fathers side of the family I have several Butternuts Quakers all related to the Robbins/Mathewson family. My great great great grandfather's half sister is buried in a Hicksite cemetery in Walworth Wayne County. I would love to learn more about the Wayne County New York Hicksites. On my mother's side I am related to German Quakers of Montgomery County, Pa. This family was already established in Horsham in the 1740's I am not sure how early the Stempel family arrived in America but I found my fifth great grandfather Stempel receiving permission to marry at the Monthly meeting in 1776.:) I ma hoping to learn more about my Quaker roots. I lean toward the Hicksite ideal myself . Linda

I have been told the SEWARD ancestors were Quakers. I am doing family history of my grandparents and have not been able to document any relationship to Quakers. The first came about 1600 to Surry County. Can you help? Margaret Oliver

I thought ya'll would be interested to here this. There has been a lot of speculation whether any of the Quaker Cook's served in the American Revolution. Well, I found evidence/proof that Jesse Cook (1744-1818) of Warrington twp., York Co., Pa., the grandson of Peter Cooke & Elinor Norman, was in the Pennsylvania Militia in 1778. Henry James Young in 1935 compiled lists of the men from York Co., Pa., who served in the Pennsylvania Militia. Listed are many Cook's from Warrington and Monoghan (now Carroll & Franklin twp.) townships. Almost all of the Cook's listed appear to be from the Quaker Cook family. York County, Pennsylvania in the American Revolution: A Source Book" Black Series, 1935 - Compiled by Henry James Young and Others I emailed my local SAR chapter asking if Young's lists are recognized as a source and I sent the following listing: "Jese Cook, Warrington Township (p. 499) First Battalion of York County Militia, 5th Company, 7th Class, April 11, 1778." SAR replied that I have a good start, but can I prove my relation... Yes! Bob Cooke

Last year, as Registrar of our DAR Chapter (Jane Dean Coffey, Coffeyville, KS) I had to do an extensive analysis to prove one George Rupert, Jr. was the son of the Patriot (George, Sr.). I would just add that in many cases it is helpful to show that proven relatives (siblings, aunts & uncles, a grandchild) lived in the same area as the subject in question. In George Jr's case, two known sisters and husbands lived in the same township as the grandfather, the Patriot..... using tax lists and the census. Providing a "family web" can be a lot of work, but in this case it was one of the factors that got the applicant to DAR accepted. Good luck! Marilyn Winton Totten > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:14:37 -0500 > From: merryanne@bellsouth.net > To: Quaker-Roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Q-R] DAR > > And you can always do an analyses of evidence if you think you are > correct. DAR does accept them. You need to spell it out step by step why > you think the person you are linking is the child etc of the patriot. If > its a service question, you need to prove that he IS the one named. You > can do that by finding evidence that the man in question actually lived in > the area he claimed service for and that he was of the age. Sometimes you > can do this by looking at his neighbors who also served. > > On 7/20/12 2:00 AM, "quaker-roots-request@rootsweb.com" > <quaker-roots-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: John Townsend_refused DAR Membership for established > > patriot (Barbara de Mare) > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:14:16 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Barbara de Mare <barbarademare@yahoo.com> > >Subject: Re: [Q-R] John Townsend_refused DAR Membership for > > established patriot > >To: Carol Thompson <ctgd@mac.com>, Quaker-Roots list > > <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > >Message-ID: > > <1342714456.94827.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >I concur completely.? I have frequently expressed my opinion that the > >proofs are not stringent enough to tell one John Doe from another.? I > >just recently wrote a long?proof for an applicant?showing I had the right > >John Allison.? As a genealogist I totally approve of the new rules even > >if it is a lot more work for me as Regent and/or Registrar.? > >? > >You are also right to send the person to the local chapter.? Some are > >more helpful than others, of course, but for my chapter (Shatemuc in > >Rockland County, New York)?I basically do all the research for my > >applicants after the first three generations--and still manage to work > >full time, serve on other genealogy society boards, and got 34 new > >members verified in the past year.? I am also a State Vice Chairman of > >Lineage Research?and a DAR certified genealogist so help other chapters > >when asked. > >? > >Barbara (with my DAR signature) > >Regent, Shatemuc Chapter > >DAR Certified Genealogy Consultant > >NYS DAR Vice Chairman of Lineage Research > >NYS Vice Chairman Credentials > >NYS DAR Speaker's Bureau > >NYS DAR Library Vice Chairman for Seimes Technology Center > >Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > >Attorney, historian, genealogist, grandmother 155 Polifly Road - 3rd > >floor (office) > >Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > >(201) 637-7159 cell > >(201) 567-9440 office > >(201) 343-5181 fax > >BdeMare@demarelaw.com (office) > >Barbarademare@yahoo.com (home and around the world) > >http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > > >? > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Carol Thompson <ctgd@mac.com> > >To: Quaker-Roots list <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:43 PM > >Subject: [Q-R] John Townsend_refused DAR Membership for established > >patriot > > > >Hi Kimberly; > > > >On Jul 17, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Mary E. Stewart wrote: > > > >"If this is your John Townsend, he is already an approved ancestor." > > > >There is a difference between an individual's patriotic service being > >approved by the DAR and approval of the lineage which leads others back > >to the individual.? Something similar happened to me, regarding one of my > >ancestors: the purported ancestor remains approved, but the recent more > >stringent standards of the DAR have not been met by those who have in the > >past claimed to be his descendants when joining the DAR.? Those already > >accepted under his name will be grandfathered out.? Those who currently > >wish to join and normally would have an easy path as a legacy member now > >will have to prove that this man who performed the service is the > >ancestor rather than some other individual of that name.? In my > >ancestor's case, a secondary source was used to make the original > >connection and was accepted at that time, but standards became stricter > >in recent years due to criticism of the organization for being "sloppy" > >regarding documentation and proof of > > lineage.? This is actually an org! > >anizational change that I welcome. > > > >I believe Mary is right to point you toward your DAR Chapter: if you > >haven't approached local Chapter, you should.? Each Chapter has a Lineage > >Records and Genealogical Research Chairman who should be eager to help > >you resolve any issues or questions you may have.? Good Luck! > > > >Carol T. > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------ > > > >To contact the QUAKER-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to > >QUAKER-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > >To post a message to the QUAKER-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to > >QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. > > > >__________________________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > >body of the > >email with no additional text. > > > > > >End of QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 100 > >******************************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And you can always do an analyses of evidence if you think you are correct. DAR does accept them. You need to spell it out step by step why you think the person you are linking is the child etc of the patriot. If its a service question, you need to prove that he IS the one named. You can do that by finding evidence that the man in question actually lived in the area he claimed service for and that he was of the age. Sometimes you can do this by looking at his neighbors who also served. On 7/20/12 2:00 AM, "quaker-roots-request@rootsweb.com" <quaker-roots-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: John Townsend_refused DAR Membership for established > patriot (Barbara de Mare) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:14:16 -0700 (PDT) >From: Barbara de Mare <barbarademare@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Q-R] John Townsend_refused DAR Membership for > established patriot >To: Carol Thompson <ctgd@mac.com>, Quaker-Roots list > <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: > <1342714456.94827.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >I concur completely.? I have frequently expressed my opinion that the >proofs are not stringent enough to tell one John Doe from another.? I >just recently wrote a long?proof for an applicant?showing I had the right >John Allison.? As a genealogist I totally approve of the new rules even >if it is a lot more work for me as Regent and/or Registrar.? >? >You are also right to send the person to the local chapter.? Some are >more helpful than others, of course, but for my chapter (Shatemuc in >Rockland County, New York)?I basically do all the research for my >applicants after the first three generations--and still manage to work >full time, serve on other genealogy society boards, and got 34 new >members verified in the past year.? I am also a State Vice Chairman of >Lineage Research?and a DAR certified genealogist so help other chapters >when asked. >? >Barbara (with my DAR signature) >Regent, Shatemuc Chapter >DAR Certified Genealogy Consultant >NYS DAR Vice Chairman of Lineage Research >NYS Vice Chairman Credentials >NYS DAR Speaker's Bureau >NYS DAR Library Vice Chairman for Seimes Technology Center >Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >Attorney, historian, genealogist, grandmother 155 Polifly Road - 3rd >floor (office) >Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >(201) 637-7159 cell >(201) 567-9440 office >(201) 343-5181 fax >BdeMare@demarelaw.com (office) >Barbarademare@yahoo.com (home and around the world) >http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > >? > > > >________________________________ > From: Carol Thompson <ctgd@mac.com> >To: Quaker-Roots list <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:43 PM >Subject: [Q-R] John Townsend_refused DAR Membership for established >patriot > >Hi Kimberly; > >On Jul 17, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Mary E. Stewart wrote: > >"If this is your John Townsend, he is already an approved ancestor." > >There is a difference between an individual's patriotic service being >approved by the DAR and approval of the lineage which leads others back >to the individual.? Something similar happened to me, regarding one of my >ancestors: the purported ancestor remains approved, but the recent more >stringent standards of the DAR have not been met by those who have in the >past claimed to be his descendants when joining the DAR.? Those already >accepted under his name will be grandfathered out.? Those who currently >wish to join and normally would have an easy path as a legacy member now >will have to prove that this man who performed the service is the >ancestor rather than some other individual of that name.? In my >ancestor's case, a secondary source was used to make the original >connection and was accepted at that time, but standards became stricter >in recent years due to criticism of the organization for being "sloppy" >regarding documentation and proof of > lineage.? This is actually an org! >anizational change that I welcome. > >I believe Mary is right to point you toward your DAR Chapter: if you >haven't approached local Chapter, you should.? Each Chapter has a Lineage >Records and Genealogical Research Chairman who should be eager to help >you resolve any issues or questions you may have.? Good Luck! > >Carol T. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------ > >To contact the QUAKER-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to >QUAKER-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the QUAKER-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to >QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 100 >********************************************

I concur completely.  I have frequently expressed my opinion that the proofs are not stringent enough to tell one John Doe from another.  I just recently wrote a long proof for an applicant showing I had the right John Allison.  As a genealogist I totally approve of the new rules even if it is a lot more work for me as Regent and/or Registrar.    You are also right to send the person to the local chapter.  Some are more helpful than others, of course, but for my chapter (Shatemuc in Rockland County, New York) I basically do all the research for my applicants after the first three generations--and still manage to work full time, serve on other genealogy society boards, and got 34 new members verified in the past year.  I am also a State Vice Chairman of Lineage Research and a DAR certified genealogist so help other chapters when asked.   Barbara (with my DAR signature) Regent, Shatemuc Chapter DAR Certified Genealogy Consultant NYS DAR Vice Chairman of Lineage Research NYS Vice Chairman Credentials NYS DAR Speaker's Bureau NYS DAR Library Vice Chairman for Seimes Technology Center Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Attorney, historian, genealogist, grandmother 155 Polifly Road - 3rd floor (office) Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 637-7159 cell (201) 567-9440 office (201) 343-5181 fax BdeMare@demarelaw.com (office) Barbarademare@yahoo.com (home and around the world) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/   ________________________________ From: Carol Thompson <ctgd@mac.com> To: Quaker-Roots list <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:43 PM Subject: [Q-R] John Townsend_refused DAR Membership for established patriot Hi Kimberly; On Jul 17, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Mary E. Stewart wrote: "If this is your John Townsend, he is already an approved ancestor." There is a difference between an individual's patriotic service being approved by the DAR and approval of the lineage which leads others back to the individual.  Something similar happened to me, regarding one of my ancestors: the purported ancestor remains approved, but the recent more stringent standards of the DAR have not been met by those who have in the past claimed to be his descendants when joining the DAR.  Those already accepted under his name will be grandfathered out.  Those who currently wish to join and normally would have an easy path as a legacy member now will have to prove that this man who performed the service is the ancestor rather than some other individual of that name.  In my ancestor's case, a secondary source was used to make the original connection and was accepted at that time, but standards became stricter in recent years due to criticism of the organization for being "sloppy" regarding documentation and proof of lineage.  This is actually an org! anizational change that I welcome. I believe Mary is right to point you toward your DAR Chapter: if you haven't approached local Chapter, you should.  Each Chapter has a Lineage Records and Genealogical Research Chairman who should be eager to help you resolve any issues or questions you may have.  Good Luck! Carol T. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kimberly; On Jul 17, 2012, at 11:25 PM, Mary E. Stewart wrote: "If this is your John Townsend, he is already an approved ancestor." There is a difference between an individual's patriotic service being approved by the DAR and approval of the lineage which leads others back to the individual. Something similar happened to me, regarding one of my ancestors: the purported ancestor remains approved, but the recent more stringent standards of the DAR have not been met by those who have in the past claimed to be his descendants when joining the DAR. Those already accepted under his name will be grandfathered out. Those who currently wish to join and normally would have an easy path as a legacy member now will have to prove that this man who performed the service is the ancestor rather than some other individual of that name. In my ancestor's case, a secondary source was used to make the original connection and was accepted at that time, but standards became stricter in recent years due to criticism of the organization for being "sloppy" regarding documentation and proof of lineage. This is actually an org! anizational change that I welcome. I believe Mary is right to point you toward your DAR Chapter: if you haven't approached local Chapter, you should. Each Chapter has a Lineage Records and Genealogical Research Chairman who should be eager to help you resolve any issues or questions you may have. Good Luck! Carol T.

The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) defines a "patriot" as one who provided service or direct assistance in achieving America's independence. Military service of course is acceptable service, but so is providing wagons, food and assistance to the militia. Many daughters have become members because their ancestors assisted without being involved in a battle. My ancestor was a devout Quaker and refused to carry a gun, but he provided flour from his mill and horses. Other DAR patriots provided money and food. Good luck in proving your American Patriot heritage Candice Becker ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.912, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.20180) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Kimberly, Go to the DAR website and look at the information under Membership. This page has the long list of approved service: http://www.dar.org/natsociety/become_member_how-service.cfm If this is your John Townsend, he is already an approved ancestor. TOWNSEND, JOHN Ancestor #: A115690 Service: SOUTH CAROLINA Rank: SOLDIER Birth: (CIRCA) 1760 CRAVEN CO SOUTH CAROLINA Death: 7-7-1843 MARLBORO DIST SOUTH CAROLINA Service Source: SC HIST & GEN MAG, VOL 2, #4, OCT 1901, PP 264, 265 Service Description: 1) MEM OF VOLUNTEER MILITIA CO The Registrar of your chapter should be able to help you resolve whatever issue you have. Hope this helps. Mary On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Kimberly Spangrude <kimspangrude@mac.com> wrote: > Do you have any suggestions as to what DAR may be concerned with

Robert, Thanks for your response. Do you have any suggestions as to what DAR may be concerned with, other than combat related records? I am fairly new at this. Thanks, Kim On Jul 17, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Robert Burns wrote: > DAR, SAR, and CAR are not concerned solely with combat. > > > At 12:00 AM 7/17/2012, you wrote: > > >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Bush River Monthly Meeting minutes for disownments and >> reinstatements during the Revolutionary War. (Kimberly Spangrude) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:24:32 -0600 >> From: Kimberly Spangrude <kimspangrude@mac.com> >> Subject: [Q-R] Bush River Monthly Meeting minutes for disownments and >> reinstatements during the Revolutionary War. >> To: QUAKER Roots <quaker-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <4791F9A4-ACBA-40E4-850B-96194899BAE6@mac.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII >> >> Hello, >> >> I am wondering if someone could look up in Hinshaw the Bush River >> Monthly Meeting minutes for a specific date: December 28, 1781 or >> December 28, 1782 (Hinshaw reportedly claimed that it was December >> 29, 1782, but a researcher who is helping me things that this date >> may be a mistake, and that it was really in 1781. >> >> I'm looking for information on John Townsend and his brothers, >> William and James, in regard to enlisting in the military during the >> Revolutionary War. The meetings for those days will contain the >> three disownments of James, William and John. I am also looking for >> information on John Townsend's request for restoration of membership >> in 1789, which will have a description of why John Townsend joined >> the military, and why this was non-Quaker to do. To get his >> membership restored, he had to state exactly what it was that he had >> done in a non-Quaker manner. "Going to war" is definitely >> non-Quaker. If that's what he said that he did, the Revolution was >> the only war available in that time-frame.While this John Townsend >> is a DAR patriot, when I tried to join the DAR based on John's >> service, the DAR decided that the previous information that they had >> accepted from as many as 40 plus individuals was not proof of his >> military service. >> >> The original Bush River Monthly Meeting minutes are archived at the >> Hege Library at Guilford College in Greensboro, North Carolina. The >> SLC Family History LIbrary does not have them on film, so I can't >> check to see if 1782 date cited by Hinshaw is accurate or not. >> >> Thank you so much, in advance! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the QUAKER-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to >> QUAKER-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the QUAKER-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to >> QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 97 >> ******************************************* > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The tapes for bush river are available through the LDS family history centers. I am not at home, but here is the possible URL. If this does't work, search the library catalog for Bush River https://familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=434157&disp=Bush+River+Monthly+Meeting+of+Friends%20%20&columns=*,0,0 Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2012, at 9:33 AM, Rick Davis <rdphase4@gmail.com> wrote: > In my experience, Hinshaw does not usually provide details of disownments > except for situations involving marriage out of unity, etc. Page 1038 of > Vol. I includes the following entries under the surname Townsend: > > 1781, 1, 27. James & William, s John , of Padget's Creek, dis. > 1782, 12, 28. John, Jr., of Padget's Creek, dis. > 1789, 1, 31. John, Jr. rst by rq. > 1789, 2, 11. Margaret, dt John, m Samuel Hunt. > > > The timing of the last entry made me wonder if it would be related to > John's request for restoration -- to attend his sister's (?) wedding. > > It looks like you'll need to go to the actual records to learn more. (I > have done that with records at Swarthmore and it worked extremely well.) I > don't know if Guilford llibrarians will be able/willing to find the answers > for you, but you might try emailing them at hegeref@guildford.edu. > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Kimberly Spangrude > <kimspangrude@mac.com>wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I am wondering if someone could look up in Hinshaw the Bush River Monthly >> Meeting minutes for a specific date: December 28, 1781 or December 28, >> 1782 (Hinshaw reportedly claimed that it was December 29, 1782, but a >> researcher who is helping me things that this date may be a mistake, and >> that it was really in 1781. >> >> I'm looking for information on John Townsend and his brothers, William and >> James, in regard to enlisting in the military during the Revolutionary War. >> The meetings for those days will contain the three disownments of James, >> William and John. I am also looking for information on John Townsend's >> request for restoration of membership in 1789, which will have a >> description of why John Townsend joined the military, and why this was >> non-Quaker to do. To get his membership restored, he had to state exactly >> what it was that he had done in a non-Quaker manner. "Going to war" is >> definitely non-Quaker. If that's what he said that he did, the Revolution >> was the only war available in that time-frame.While this John Townsend is a >> DAR patriot, when I tried to join the DAR based on John's service, the DAR >> decided that the previous information that they had accepted from as many >> as 40 plus individuals was not proof of his military service. >> >> The original Bush River Monthly Meeting minutes are archived at the Hege >> Library at Guilford College in Greensboro, North Carolina. The SLC Family >> History LIbrary does not have them on film, so I can't check to see if 1782 >> date cited by Hinshaw is accurate or not. >> >> Thank you so much, in advance! >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Rick Davis > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

DAR, SAR, and CAR are not concerned solely with combat. At 12:00 AM 7/17/2012, you wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Bush River Monthly Meeting minutes for disownments and > reinstatements during the Revolutionary War. (Kimberly Spangrude) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:24:32 -0600 >From: Kimberly Spangrude <kimspangrude@mac.com> >Subject: [Q-R] Bush River Monthly Meeting minutes for disownments and > reinstatements during the Revolutionary War. >To: QUAKER Roots <quaker-roots@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <4791F9A4-ACBA-40E4-850B-96194899BAE6@mac.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > >Hello, > >I am wondering if someone could look up in Hinshaw the Bush River >Monthly Meeting minutes for a specific date: December 28, 1781 or >December 28, 1782 (Hinshaw reportedly claimed that it was December >29, 1782, but a researcher who is helping me things that this date >may be a mistake, and that it was really in 1781. > >I'm looking for information on John Townsend and his brothers, >William and James, in regard to enlisting in the military during the >Revolutionary War. The meetings for those days will contain the >three disownments of James, William and John. I am also looking for >information on John Townsend's request for restoration of membership >in 1789, which will have a description of why John Townsend joined >the military, and why this was non-Quaker to do. To get his >membership restored, he had to state exactly what it was that he had >done in a non-Quaker manner. "Going to war" is definitely >non-Quaker. If that's what he said that he did, the Revolution was >the only war available in that time-frame.While this John Townsend >is a DAR patriot, when I tried to join the DAR based on John's >service, the DAR decided that the previous information that they had >accepted from as many as 40 plus individuals was not proof of his >military service. > >The original Bush River Monthly Meeting minutes are archived at the >Hege Library at Guilford College in Greensboro, North Carolina. The >SLC Family History LIbrary does not have them on film, so I can't >check to see if 1782 date cited by Hinshaw is accurate or not. > >Thank you so much, in advance! > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the QUAKER-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to >QUAKER-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the QUAKER-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to >QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 97 >*******************************************

In my experience, Hinshaw does not usually provide details of disownments except for situations involving marriage out of unity, etc. Page 1038 of Vol. I includes the following entries under the surname Townsend: 1781, 1, 27. James & William, s John , of Padget's Creek, dis. 1782, 12, 28. John, Jr., of Padget's Creek, dis. 1789, 1, 31. John, Jr. rst by rq. 1789, 2, 11. Margaret, dt John, m Samuel Hunt. The timing of the last entry made me wonder if it would be related to John's request for restoration -- to attend his sister's (?) wedding. It looks like you'll need to go to the actual records to learn more. (I have done that with records at Swarthmore and it worked extremely well.) I don't know if Guilford llibrarians will be able/willing to find the answers for you, but you might try emailing them at hegeref@guildford.edu. On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Kimberly Spangrude <kimspangrude@mac.com>wrote: > Hello, > > I am wondering if someone could look up in Hinshaw the Bush River Monthly > Meeting minutes for a specific date: December 28, 1781 or December 28, > 1782 (Hinshaw reportedly claimed that it was December 29, 1782, but a > researcher who is helping me things that this date may be a mistake, and > that it was really in 1781. > > I'm looking for information on John Townsend and his brothers, William and > James, in regard to enlisting in the military during the Revolutionary War. > The meetings for those days will contain the three disownments of James, > William and John. I am also looking for information on John Townsend's > request for restoration of membership in 1789, which will have a > description of why John Townsend joined the military, and why this was > non-Quaker to do. To get his membership restored, he had to state exactly > what it was that he had done in a non-Quaker manner. "Going to war" is > definitely non-Quaker. If that's what he said that he did, the Revolution > was the only war available in that time-frame.While this John Townsend is a > DAR patriot, when I tried to join the DAR based on John's service, the DAR > decided that the previous information that they had accepted from as many > as 40 plus individuals was not proof of his military service. > > The original Bush River Monthly Meeting minutes are archived at the Hege > Library at Guilford College in Greensboro, North Carolina. The SLC Family > History LIbrary does not have them on film, so I can't check to see if 1782 > date cited by Hinshaw is accurate or not. > > Thank you so much, in advance! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Rick Davis

Hello, I am wondering if someone could look up in Hinshaw the Bush River Monthly Meeting minutes for a specific date: December 28, 1781 or December 28, 1782 (Hinshaw reportedly claimed that it was December 29, 1782, but a researcher who is helping me things that this date may be a mistake, and that it was really in 1781. I'm looking for information on John Townsend and his brothers, William and James, in regard to enlisting in the military during the Revolutionary War. The meetings for those days will contain the three disownments of James, William and John. I am also looking for information on John Townsend's request for restoration of membership in 1789, which will have a description of why John Townsend joined the military, and why this was non-Quaker to do. To get his membership restored, he had to state exactly what it was that he had done in a non-Quaker manner. "Going to war" is definitely non-Quaker. If that's what he said that he did, the Revolution was the only war available in that time-frame.While this John Townsend is a DAR patriot, when I tried to join the DAR based on John's service, the DAR decided that the previous information that they had accepted from as many as 40 plus individuals was not proof of his military service. The original Bush River Monthly Meeting minutes are archived at the Hege Library at Guilford College in Greensboro, North Carolina. The SLC Family History LIbrary does not have them on film, so I can't check to see if 1782 date cited by Hinshaw is accurate or not. Thank you so much, in advance!

Stewart Baldwin wrote:       >  "Chris Dickinson" <chris@dickinson.uk.net> wrote: >>The LDS have filmed all the Digests for Ireland (if my memory serves me >>right, on two films). These can be ordered at your local FHC. > Unfortunately, the quality of this filming is very low.  Many pages are > partly or fully illegible.   Yes, the quality is dreadful.     Chris

"Chris Dickinson" <chris@dickinson.uk.net> wrote: >The LDS have filmed all the Digests for Ireland (if my memory serves me >right, on two films). These can be ordered at your local FHC. Unfortunately, the quality of this filming is very low. Many pages are partly or fully illegible. Stewart Baldwin

  The link is:  http://openlibrary.org/books/OL22920521M/Immigration_of_the_Irish_Quakers_into_Pennsylvania_1682-1750   >________________________________ > From: Chris Dickinson <chris@dickinson.uk.net> >To: "quaker-roots@rootsweb.com" <quaker-roots@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, 6 July 2012, 7:19 >Subject: Re: [Q-R] Quaker's in Ireland > >Glee >  >  >The LDS have filmed all the Digests for Ireland (if my memory serves me right, on two films). These can be ordered at your local FHC. >  >I'm not sure about surviving registers for Co Wicklow - but certainly the films include the Dublin registers and those of important places like Mountmellick. >  >Myers' book as mentioned by Steven Perkins is available for download online, though I don't have the link at hand. >  >  >What are your surnames? You may be able to find out information of the English/Scottish origins if the names are locally distinct. >  >  >Chris > > >>________________________________ >> From: steven perkins <scperkins@gmail.com> >>To: Gleesyt <gleesyt@aol.com> >>Cc: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Friday, 6 July 2012, 1:34 >>Subject: Re: [Q-R] Quaker's in Ireland >>  >>Glee: >> >>My Astons and Hunters went from Wicklow to London before coming on to >>Pennsylvania.  Check the Dublin and London meetings. >> >>There may be some mention of them in the book on Irish Quakers in Pennsylvania. >> >>Steven >> >> >>On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Gleesyt <gleesyt@aol.com> wrote: >>> Hi All >>> >>> >>> Does anyone have a resource for Quakers in Ireland.  I am looking in Co Wicklow, Bray, Ireland.   Been search for the removal record for Peter Bray to come to the colonies.  So far now luck.  So I was hoping maybe on of you might have another source I could check out.  We are pretty sure he was from that area and I know he was a Quaker in the colonies, settling in NC. >>> Thank you for any help you can give me. >>> >>> >>> Glee >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >>-- >>Steven C. Perkins      SCPerkins@gmail.com    http://stevencperkins.com/ >>Indigenous Peoples' Rights  http://intelligent-internet.info/law/ipr2.html >>Indigenous & Ethnic Minority Legal News http://iemlnews.blogspot.com/ >>Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy  http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ >>S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Page  http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html >>S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog  http://scpgen.blogspot.com/ >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>  > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Glee     The LDS have filmed all the Digests for Ireland (if my memory serves me right, on two films). These can be ordered at your local FHC.   I'm not sure about surviving registers for Co Wicklow - but certainly the films include the Dublin registers and those of important places like Mountmellick.   Myers' book as mentioned by Steven Perkins is available for download online, though I don't have the link at hand.     What are your surnames? You may be able to find out information of the English/Scottish origins if the names are locally distinct.     Chris >________________________________ > From: steven perkins <scperkins@gmail.com> >To: Gleesyt <gleesyt@aol.com> >Cc: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, 6 July 2012, 1:34 >Subject: Re: [Q-R] Quaker's in Ireland > >Glee: > >My Astons and Hunters went from Wicklow to London before coming on to >Pennsylvania.  Check the Dublin and London meetings. > >There may be some mention of them in the book on Irish Quakers in Pennsylvania. > >Steven > > >On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Gleesyt <gleesyt@aol.com> wrote: >> Hi All >> >> >> Does anyone have a resource for Quakers in Ireland.  I am looking in Co Wicklow, Bray, Ireland.  Been search for the removal record for Peter Bray to come to the colonies.  So far now luck.  So I was hoping maybe on of you might have another source I could check out.  We are pretty sure he was from that area and I know he was a Quaker in the colonies, settling in NC. >> Thank you for any help you can give me. >> >> >> Glee >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >-- >Steven C. Perkins      SCPerkins@gmail.com    http://stevencperkins.com/ >Indigenous Peoples' Rights  http://intelligent-internet.info/law/ipr2.html >Indigenous & Ethnic Minority Legal News http://iemlnews.blogspot.com/ >Online Journal of Genetics and Genealogy  http://jgg-online.blogspot.com/ >S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Page  http://stevencperkins.com/genealogy.html >S.C. Perkins' Genealogy Blog  http://scpgen.blogspot.com/ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >