Helen Bisset wrote:     <snip> I was just wondering how you've been able to research the Quaker records?  I live on a small remote island off the coast of Qld Australia, so unfortunately I am not near Record Offices, or a Genealogical Society or LDS Family History Centre, to have the ability to search the records myself and they are not available online.  I would buy them if they were available on cd or even microfiche, but I haven't been able to find an outlet to purchase them.  Do you know if this is possible Richard.  I'd so love to find the records myself.  <snip>     There is an online BMD index:   http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/     The original BMD registers are held at The National Archives in Kew, London; but can no longer normally be accessed. They have been recorded on microfilm.   If you are prepared to spend money, you could hire TNA to do the research:   http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/paid-search-service.htm?WT.ac=-   or employ an independent researcher   http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/irlist/     Two other routes exist:   You could write to the local record office, who probably have a research service. The advantage of using the local RO is that they will not only probably have the BMD microfilms but also additional material like minutes:  eg  http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/contact/sro/home.aspx   You could write to the Friends Library in Euston, but I don't know what research services, if any, they offer: http://www.quaker.org.uk/library     Although you may feel that hiring someone else to do the research is taking the fun out of it, on the whole such paid research doesn't tie the knots for you - it will simply provide you with copies of relevant material. You will still be the person who has to make sense of it all.       Chris

I am researching ALL quaker families in Cheshire and Staffordshire up to 1700. I have discovered that the indexes to the early Quaker records contain a very large number of mistranscriptions. For example the marriage of James Stretch (Strith) and Ann Davenport is given as James Sheth & Ann Osborn. Would be pleased to hear from anyone who has an interest in this area. sylvanus@rahwilliams.orangehome.co.uk Richard Williams 30 King Street WINTERTON North Lincolnshire DN15 9TP 01724 737254 sylvanus@rahwilliams.orangehome.co.uk

Does anyone have any information on the Cossinet family? Richard Williams 30 King Street WINTERTON North Lincolnshire DN15 9TP 01724 737254 sylvanus@rahwilliams.orangehome.co.uk

Would anyone be kind enough to look up in the Middletown MM records, PA..... for a marriage between Susanna Haworth and anyone.... She was supposedly married secondly to a John Shaw at Middletown, but I don't know what her surname would have been. To put it more simply; is there a marriage for John Shaw before 1724 (probably much earlier than that; Susanna died that year). Many many thanks, Marilyn Winton Totten

Thomas Newhouse is mentioned on a web page about Quaker persecutions at http://www.hallvworthington.com/Persecutions/Part-6.html Can anyone tell me any genealogical information about him? There's a Quaker Thomas Newhouse in VA at around the same time. I'm wondering if the two men could be related. My Pace family were neighbors to the VA Newhouse. Thanks for any info. James Blair

Hello, I am wondering if you can tell me if the Croll's of Germantown and then Allentown became Quakers. I know that when they immigrated from Germany they were escaping religious persecution as Ana Baptist Dunkard/Dunkers. Thank you! Warm regards, Marie Dr. Marie Croll Associate Professor, Sociology Chair, Social/Cultural Studies Grenfell Campus, Memorial University University Drive, Corner Brook, NL A2H 6P9 Tel. 709-637-6200, Ext. 6477 Fax: (709) 639-8125 To swallow and follow, whether old doctrine or new propaganda, is a weakness still dominating the human mind. ~Charlotte Perkins Gilman This electronic communication is governed by the terms and conditions at http://www.mun.ca/cc/policies/electronic_communications_disclaimer_2011.php.

Some of the tales in our family include the time the confederates came to steal milk, so our family pretended it was sour and they overlooked taking it. Another tale is that the confederates wanted to take all the eating utensils so the family silver, such as it was, was buried in the yard. And lastly, our sole stay at home guy, William Stacy, known as Big Billy, weighed over 500 pounds. If the confederates saw him they would surely have killed him. He was put in a gully in the front yard and covered with leaves and told not to move. The family prayed that the confederate officer who rode about on his horse would not step on the pile of leaves protecting dear william and their prayers were granted. After the civil war William (Big Bill) was chosen to be the father of 28 children so they could repopulate the farms that had lost males to the war. He was married to Rebecca Proffit, and his sister in law Sarah Proffit said she wanted to have her babies by Big Billy as well. stacey-stacytales@egroups.com On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Bob Cooke <cookerl3@aol.com> wrote: > > Excellent discussion gentlemen, thank you. My direct line of the Cook > family owned a farm about a mile and a half southeast of the town of > Dillsburg in Carroll twp., York Co., Pa. Dillsburg was occupied twice by > the Confederates who ruthlessly pillaged the town and raided farms > throughout the area including ours. John Cook (1813-1889) owner of the > Dillsburg farm at the time, was fortunate and smart enough to foresee what > was coming. He moved all of his livestock, a neighbors horses and the women > and children of several families, all were hidden up on Round Top Mountain > from where our farm sits on the southern slope. > > John Cook had good intelligence, he knew which areas the Confederates were > "raiding" at any given time and when it came their turn to be searched, > that's when he moved everything up the mountain for the day and it worked > they were never discovered. > > Robert Cooke > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robert Stacey has moved to Casa Glendale where he is surrounded by lords and ladies of all kinds. Emeritus Glendale is the best.

Excellent discussion gentlemen, thank you. My direct line of the Cook family owned a farm about a mile and a half southeast of the town of Dillsburg in Carroll twp., York Co., Pa. Dillsburg was occupied twice by the Confederates who ruthlessly pillaged the town and raided farms throughout the area including ours. John Cook (1813-1889) owner of the Dillsburg farm at the time, was fortunate and smart enough to foresee what was coming. He moved all of his livestock, a neighbors horses and the women and children of several families, all were hidden up on Round Top Mountain from where our farm sits on the southern slope. John Cook had good intelligence, he knew which areas the Confederates were "raiding" at any given time and when it came their turn to be searched, that's when he moved everything up the mountain for the day and it worked they were never discovered. Robert Cooke

Both Union and Confederate armies "requisitioned" supplies from the rural farmer and land owner...generally with a blind-eye to the political sympathy of the owner. If the either army needed supplies and did not have them, they were requisitioned from the locals regardless of political affiliation or sympathy. In the seceded southern states (where 95% of the war's troop movement and occupation took place), supplies and livestock from farms on southern soil was "requisitioned" by both armies. In Texas, where I live, the Confederate appointed Quartermasters who were in charge of "gathering supplies" for the army relied totally on the citizen farmers for their supplies which were in turn shipped "to the front". I am sure the locals didn't like it...but wartime government orders that gave the Quartermasters the ability to "take the goods". Bottomline....if an Army in the field needed it, they took it. I am not sure if Robert's original post refers to the type of claim referenced below....but a great deal of this type of info can be found out there, see below. It takes a lot of food, supplies, and horse-power to keep an army on the move. During the Civil War, it was customary for soldiers to show up at someone's farm or residence and requisition whatever their regiment needed. In 1864, the U.S. government started to officially recognize claims by its citizens for reimbursement of these necessities. Yet it was not until 1871, six years after the Civil War ended, and after public emotions about the war had calmed, that the government decided to do something to address the considerable number of requests from all its citizens, including those in the south. Through an act of Congress on March 3, 1871, the Southern Claims Commission, also known as the Commissioners of Claims, was created. Three commissioners, appointed by the president, were compelled to "receive, examine, and consider the claims of those citizens who remained loyal adherents to the cause and the government of the United States during the war, for stores or supplies taken or furnished during the rebellion." Many claims were quickly dismissed. They can be found in a publication entitled Barred and Disallowed Case Files. The rest are collected by state under the title of Southern Claims Commission Approved Claims 1871-1880. Often, those loyal to the Union who provisioned the troops were ultimately denied reparations, even though their claims for compensation were approved. More than twenty thousand claims were filed by the March 3, 1873, deadline. Evidence supporting the claims, which included depositions, testimonials from neighbors and family, receipts, and personal interviews, had to be filed by March 10, 1879. This gave the commission, and the growing ranks of special agents required for it to complete its work, six years to finish the job. Out of the 22,298 claims filed, less than a third (7,092) perfectly satisfied the commission's stringent requirements for loyalty, as well as proof of the value, ownership, and military nature of the possessions taken. Of the amounts claimed, totaling over $60 million, just over $4.6 million, or 7.7%, were approved and paid. Bacon, fodder, mules, horses, and hogs seem to appear most often on the lists of claimed items. Saddles, cordwood, carriages, and buggies are not unusual. One man and his cohorts requested compensation for a church edifice used to house troops in Alabama. His claim was disallowed. Whether the claimants' requests were accepted or rejected, the files are instructive, as well as entertaining to read. They are filled with first-person accounts of how average civilians participated in the war, the circumstances surrounding the dispossession of property, and descriptions of wartime not often revealed in history texts. Most claimants had to answer a long list of pre-determined questions. Even the summation report, submitted by the investigators, are often candid and revealing parts of the story. These records can be viewed at www.fold3.com (pay site). Vince King Denton, TX -----Original Message----- From: quaker-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quaker-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Trueblood Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:31 PM To: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Q-R] Damage Claims As a Southerner, and a Quaker, I just want to be sure the "books are balanced". Plundering was rife on both sides, the Blue and the Gray. Victory in war was not just marked by territory gained and the number of enemy killed, it was also measured by the material taken from the enemy. The Official Records of the Civil War are filled with accounts of the amount of booty taken by Rebels and Union Soldiers. We usually think of plundering in terms of household items, jewelry, etc. The greatest amount of plunder was livestock: oxen, horses, hogs, cows, poultry, etc. Food stuff was also included in the plunder: corn, sweet potatoes, etc. I suspect Quaker Jesse Cook's claim for $300.00 was more for livestock and much less for household silver, clocks, pewter, etc., and for personal items such jewelry, rings, watches etc. Gordon Trueblood > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:01:48 -0400 > From: tomh@earlham.edu > To: cookerl3@aol.com > CC: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Damage Claims > > Lee's army plundered supplies all over south-central Pennsylvania, and large elements of it passed through northern Adams County, headed toward Gettysburg from Carlisle. Lee issued orders that any supplies taken were to be paid for, but of course the payment was in Confederate currency, which was worthless in Pennsylvania. > > I haven't seen any specific references to Quakers being victimized, but with thousands of Confederate soldiers in the neighborhood, it's hard to believe that anyone escaped. And it's conceivable that the abolitionist sympathies of Friends might have excited heightened Confederate antipathy. > > Tom Hamm > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Cooke" <cookerl3@aol.com> > To: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:49:39 PM > Subject: [Q-R] Damage Claims > > > List, > > I was recently shown records of damage claims filed in Adams & York Counties, Pa., following the Civil War in 1868. The Quaker Jesse Cook in Latimore twp., Adams Co., filed a claim for $300.00, the most of all the Cook's listed. I've only seen these claims from the Revolutionary War on farms known to have been involved in some way. I do not know of any fighting in northern Adams Co., during the Civil War, so these records are probably for items stolen from the farm? Were Confederate soldiers roaming Adams Co., looking for supplies? Is anyone familiar with these claims and what they stand for? > > There was a claim filed for $175.00 by Josiah Cook (1805-1880) in Flora Dale (Quaker Valley) just west of SR 34, across the road from Cyrus Griest's farm "Springdale" and Thomas Evans Cook (1811-1878) filed a claim for $195.00 in Menallen twp., just east of SR 34. These three farms are less than a mile apart. > > Is it known if Confederate soldiers were stealing from the Quakers in Adams Co.? > > Thanks, > Robert Cooke > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As a Southerner, and a Quaker, I just want to be sure the "books are balanced". Plundering was rife on both sides, the Blue and the Gray. Victory in war was not just marked by territory gained and the number of enemy killed, it was also measured by the material taken from the enemy. The Official Records of the Civil War are filled with accounts of the amount of booty taken by Rebels and Union Soldiers. We usually think of plundering in terms of household items, jewelry, etc. The greatest amount of plunder was livestock: oxen, horses, hogs, cows, poultry, etc. Food stuff was also included in the plunder: corn, sweet potatoes, etc. I suspect Quaker Jesse Cook's claim for $300.00 was more for livestock and much less for household silver, clocks, pewter, etc., and for personal items such jewelry, rings, watches etc. Gordon Trueblood > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:01:48 -0400 > From: tomh@earlham.edu > To: cookerl3@aol.com > CC: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Damage Claims > > Lee's army plundered supplies all over south-central Pennsylvania, and large elements of it passed through northern Adams County, headed toward Gettysburg from Carlisle. Lee issued orders that any supplies taken were to be paid for, but of course the payment was in Confederate currency, which was worthless in Pennsylvania. > > I haven't seen any specific references to Quakers being victimized, but with thousands of Confederate soldiers in the neighborhood, it's hard to believe that anyone escaped. And it's conceivable that the abolitionist sympathies of Friends might have excited heightened Confederate antipathy. > > Tom Hamm > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bob Cooke" <cookerl3@aol.com> > To: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:49:39 PM > Subject: [Q-R] Damage Claims > > > List, > > I was recently shown records of damage claims filed in Adams & York Counties, Pa., following the Civil War in 1868. The Quaker Jesse Cook in Latimore twp., Adams Co., filed a claim for $300.00, the most of all the Cook's listed. I've only seen these claims from the Revolutionary War on farms known to have been involved in some way. I do not know of any fighting in northern Adams Co., during the Civil War, so these records are probably for items stolen from the farm? Were Confederate soldiers roaming Adams Co., looking for supplies? Is anyone familiar with these claims and what they stand for? > > There was a claim filed for $175.00 by Josiah Cook (1805-1880) in Flora Dale (Quaker Valley) just west of SR 34, across the road from Cyrus Griest's farm "Springdale" and Thomas Evans Cook (1811-1878) filed a claim for $195.00 in Menallen twp., just east of SR 34. These three farms are less than a mile apart. > > Is it known if Confederate soldiers were stealing from the Quakers in Adams Co.? > > Thanks, > Robert Cooke > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lee's army plundered supplies all over south-central Pennsylvania, and large elements of it passed through northern Adams County, headed toward Gettysburg from Carlisle. Lee issued orders that any supplies taken were to be paid for, but of course the payment was in Confederate currency, which was worthless in Pennsylvania. I haven't seen any specific references to Quakers being victimized, but with thousands of Confederate soldiers in the neighborhood, it's hard to believe that anyone escaped. And it's conceivable that the abolitionist sympathies of Friends might have excited heightened Confederate antipathy. Tom Hamm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Cooke" <cookerl3@aol.com> To: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:49:39 PM Subject: [Q-R] Damage Claims List, I was recently shown records of damage claims filed in Adams & York Counties, Pa., following the Civil War in 1868. The Quaker Jesse Cook in Latimore twp., Adams Co., filed a claim for $300.00, the most of all the Cook's listed. I've only seen these claims from the Revolutionary War on farms known to have been involved in some way. I do not know of any fighting in northern Adams Co., during the Civil War, so these records are probably for items stolen from the farm? Were Confederate soldiers roaming Adams Co., looking for supplies? Is anyone familiar with these claims and what they stand for? There was a claim filed for $175.00 by Josiah Cook (1805-1880) in Flora Dale (Quaker Valley) just west of SR 34, across the road from Cyrus Griest's farm "Springdale" and Thomas Evans Cook (1811-1878) filed a claim for $195.00 in Menallen twp., just east of SR 34. These three farms are less than a mile apart. Is it known if Confederate soldiers were stealing from the Quakers in Adams Co.? Thanks, Robert Cooke ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

List, I was recently shown records of damage claims filed in Adams & York Counties, Pa., following the Civil War in 1868. The Quaker Jesse Cook in Latimore twp., Adams Co., filed a claim for $300.00, the most of all the Cook's listed. I've only seen these claims from the Revolutionary War on farms known to have been involved in some way. I do not know of any fighting in northern Adams Co., during the Civil War, so these records are probably for items stolen from the farm? Were Confederate soldiers roaming Adams Co., looking for supplies? Is anyone familiar with these claims and what they stand for? There was a claim filed for $175.00 by Josiah Cook (1805-1880) in Flora Dale (Quaker Valley) just west of SR 34, across the road from Cyrus Griest's farm "Springdale" and Thomas Evans Cook (1811-1878) filed a claim for $195.00 in Menallen twp., just east of SR 34. These three farms are less than a mile apart. Is it known if Confederate soldiers were stealing from the Quakers in Adams Co.? Thanks, Robert Cooke

Hello everyone, I have a private family cemetery that is here in Richmond, Wayne Co., IN. Although it is not actually a Quaker Cemetery. When it was set aside as a cemetery in the early 1800's the Bulla's and the Hoover's gave the land for the cemetery. Both families were Quaker. The cemetery is still an active cemetery. To be buried there you go to the trustee dept of a local bank, show proof you are related to one or the other family, and choose from there plate map where you want to be buried. There is no charge for the burial plot. Most of those that have been buried in the cemetery have donated money to the trust fund. Thanks, Dave In a message dated 5/29/2013 9:10:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sethhinshaw@yahoo.com writes: Jan - I have never heard of a Friends meeting selling burial plots. I know of one instance where a burial ground was full, and someone (a non-member) purchased an adjacent parcel of land and donated it so that he could be buried there. In Ohio Yearly Meeting, we mostly retain the process of burying people in the next available location. However, in several instances in North Carolina YM (FUM), the local meeting has plotted out the burial ground to allow families members to be buried together. Seth ________________________________ From: "KTompk7744@aol.com" <KTompk7744@aol.com> To: mosesm@earthlink.net; quaker-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:41 AM Subject: [Q-R] Quaker burials---questions Now you folks have got me thinking about cemetery plots. I don't know how the Quakers handle such things, but the cemeteries I'm familiar with SELL the individual gravesites to folks. Thus the individual gravesites are owned (sooner or later) by individuals. And the cemetery wouldn't be able to refuse to allow a burial unless it was an extraordinary situation. Maybe the Quakers were above such mundane commerce, but my cemetery plot consists of two side-by-side lots in the Bethel Baptist Church cemetery, for which I paid a very reasonable sum, and I have a letter of title showing which two lots they are. The cemetery association, related to the church, didn't ask if I were a member or if anybody in the family was. Theoretically I could have bought four or five plots in a certain spot. It might be interesting to know whether burial sites for the Quakers were free and whether you got to reserve a specific location for your family. JanT In a message dated 5/28/2013 8:54:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mosesm@earthlink.net writes: I think that if one thinks about it with a cool head and logic, you KNOW that there are non-quakers buried in the quaker burial grounds. Sharon's example is a good one: > My grandmother's uncle, Joseph Jinnett, was buried at Pilot Grove, Vermilion Co., Illinois when he died from a wound suffered during the Civil War. He had been disowned, but was buried there nevertheless. Who is going to tell that distraught mother that she can not bury her son in the same cemetery as her mother...her father... her grandmother....fill in the blank... I can not prove that my 5-gr-grandmother, Sarah Moore McKinsey, was buried in the Bush River Cemetery. It gives me a great deal of comfort to think that indeed her family buried her near Nehemiah Thomas and probably a few children who had been buried there ....before the family moved to Ohio. The family was no longer Quaker....I know this for sure because a daughter-in-law was dis for marrying a McKinsey son. But I believe that the family had been Quaker in an earlier generation. And that it is possible that they were still attending ...don't know....but when I think about burying my own, I think about how I would want them to be among family. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Practices varied. Some monthly meetings kept a separate book of removal certificates issued, in which they recorded, verbatim, each certificate that they issued. My sense is that this did not become common practice until the late eighteenth century. Other monthly meetings carefully copied into their records verbatim each removal certificate received. I believe that this was the case for Burlington Monthly Meeting in New Jersey. Others kept files of original papers. I think that this is the case for Wilmington Monthly Meeting in Delaware. But it was exceptional. I think that the most common practice was that once a certificate had been received and a record made of its receipt, that the original certificate was returned to the family or discarded. Here at Earlham we have a removal certificate from 1683 that was handed down among descendants for over 300 years. If any original certificates for Chester Monthly Meeting exist from this period, they will be at Swarthmore. Tom Hamm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Cooke" <cookerl3@aol.com> To: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:45:29 PM Subject: [Q-R] Elinor Cook - 1mo. 29, 1714 I recently came across a list of "Certificates Received At Chester Monthly Meeting" 1681-1750, in the "Literary Era," Jan. 1898, Vol. 5, page 377, with two certificates of interest. I think ACM edited the list. No. 64, "Joseph Helsby and wife, dated 9mo. 26, 1711, from our Monthly Meeting held at Newton, Cheshire, England" I've found some references that a Joseph Helsby may have known Peter Cook, more over they may have collaborated on traveling to America and may have made arraignments to stay with Joseph upon arrival in 1713. I have no proof, but it would help explain the relative ease with which Elinor, now a widow, and the children had after arriving without Peter. No. 99 "Elinor Cook, 1mo. 29, 1714, from Frandley Monthly Meeting, Cheshire, England." Does anyone know if these listings mean there are actual certificates? If it is possible to get copies, who would I contact? Thanks, Robert Cooke ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a Mary Dillon Edwards whose parents were supposedly a Gideon Edwards and a Mary Dillon. I can't find either of them in any of the Hinshaw books I have looked at. Does anyone know anything about either of these people? Thanks, Dale in California

In my (relatively limited ) experience with Quaker burial grounds in Indiana and North Carolina, couples were buried together but extended families might not be. This is based on marked graves, of course. On May 29, 2013 9:35 AM, "Thomas Hamm" <tomh@earlham.edu> wrote: > Here in Indiana at least some Friends burial places sell plots. Fall > Creek, near Pendleton, is one. The proceeds of the sales are used for > upkeep. > > Fall Creek has two sections--the original burial ground, which dates to > the 1830s, and a newer section laid out about 1900. When my wife and I > bought plots there, we were told that if we wanted to be buried in the old > graveyard the plots were $5 apiece. They are more expensive in the new > section. > > Tom Hamm > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Seth Hinshaw" <sethhinshaw@yahoo.com> > To: KTompk7744@aol.com, mosesm@earthlink.net, quaker-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:08:36 AM > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Quaker burials---questions > > Jan - I have never heard of a Friends meeting selling burial plots. I know > of one instance where a burial ground was full, and someone (a non-member) > purchased an adjacent parcel of land and donated it so that he could be > buried there. > > In Ohio Yearly Meeting, we mostly retain the process of burying people in > the next available location. However, in several instances in North > Carolina YM (FUM), the local meeting has plotted out the burial ground to > allow families members to be buried together. > > Seth > > > ________________________________ > From: "KTompk7744@aol.com" <KTompk7744@aol.com> > To: mosesm@earthlink.net; quaker-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:41 AM > Subject: [Q-R] Quaker burials---questions > > > Now you folks have got me thinking about cemetery plots. I don't know > how the Quakers handle such things, but the cemeteries I'm familiar with > SELL > the individual gravesites to folks. Thus the individual gravesites are > owned (sooner or later) by individuals. And the cemetery wouldn't be able > to refuse to allow a burial unless it was an extraordinary situation. > > Maybe the Quakers were above such mundane commerce, but my cemetery plot > consists of two side-by-side lots in the Bethel Baptist Church cemetery, > for > which I paid a very reasonable sum, and I have a letter of title showing > which two lots they are. The cemetery association, related to the church, > didn't ask if I were a member or if anybody in the family was. > Theoretically I could have bought four or five plots in a certain spot. > > It might be interesting to know whether burial sites for the Quakers were > free and whether you got to reserve a specific location for your family. > > JanT > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2013 8:54:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > mosesm@earthlink.net writes: > > I think that if one thinks about it with a cool head and logic, you KNOW > that there are non-quakers buried in the quaker burial grounds. Sharon's > example is a good one: > > > My grandmother's uncle, Joseph Jinnett, was buried at Pilot Grove, > Vermilion Co., Illinois when he died from a wound suffered during the > Civil War. > He had been disowned, but was buried there nevertheless. > > Who is going to tell that distraught mother that she can not bury her son > in the same cemetery as her mother...her father... her grandmother....fill > in the blank... > > I can not prove that my 5-gr-grandmother, Sarah Moore McKinsey, was buried > in the Bush River Cemetery. It gives me a great deal of comfort to think > that indeed her family buried her near Nehemiah Thomas and probably a few > children who had been buried there ....before the family moved to Ohio. The > family was no longer Quaker....I know this for sure because a > daughter-in-law was dis for marrying a McKinsey son. But I believe that > the family had > been Quaker in an earlier generation. And that it is possible that they > were still attending ...don't know....but when I think about burying my > own, > I think about how I would want them to be among family. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My seventh great grandfather and his wife were buried in a Quaker cemetery: she in 1815 and he in 1828 and neither of them were Quakers, though she is thought to have been earlier, or her parents and brothers, were thought to have been Quakers. In the communities in which they lived, Virginia, Baltimore, and Ohio, their close friends were Quaker. Family lore of old says grandmother and grandfather traveled over the Blue Mountain in Virginia to Washington County, Pennsylvania, then on to Ohio in 1800-1802. In the Washington County Pennsylvania 1800 census, we found them in East Bethlehem Township with the same group of Townsends that had roots in Baltimore, Maryland and in Virginia and later appearing in the Ohio censuses. One land warrant in East Bethlehem is an interesting piece of information because it was patented by one John Townsend, another possible connection to Sarah. I wondered if it might be her father or a brother. My question was always, how could they be buried in a Quaker graveyard when they were not Quakers. This brought me to do a study of a small township in Ohio which might give some insight to my query. I have posted this study (comprises two sites- site 1, the story; site 2, maps with explanations) at these URLs http://sites.google.com/site/twoquakercemeteries/ http://sites.google.com/site/mapsfortwoquakercemeteries/ D. Small Gilligan

Richard Williams, www.QuakerMeetings.com attempts to list every monthly meeting that ever existed in North America (or at least the English-speaking parts). The entry for Gunpowder MM says the original marriage book for 1847 is deposited in the Baltimore Yearly Meeting Archives at Friends Historical Library of Swarthmore College. https://www.quakermeetings.com/Plone/meeting_view?anID=1766 This record suggests four levels of answer. (1) View the original or microfilm copies at Swarthmore. The On-Line Guide to BYM records lists the specific records held: http://trilogy.brynmawr.edu/speccoll/bym/BYMindex.htm (2) Peden has published Gunpowder abstracts for 1726-1825, but I do not know if anyone has published the 1847 marriages. (3) The Maryland Hall of Records has microfilmed Gunpowder's and many other BYM records, as shown by the reel numbers on QuakerMeetings.com. (4) Gunpowder (and all other BYM monthly meetings existing before 1935) have joined the Ancestry.com digitalization agreement by the four largest Quaker depositories, but I understand the digitalization could take another year before posting. Tom Hill Thomas C. Hill Charlottesville, VA 22901-6355 U.S.A. www.QuakerMeetings.com E-mail: MonthlyMeetings@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: quaker-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Richard Sylvanus Williams Sent: Tuesday, 28 May, 2013 3:03 PM To: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [Q-R] Henry Tyson/Mary Gillingham Henry Tyson and Mary Gillingham are said to have married at Gunpowder Monthly Meeting 13 May 1847. I have no reason to doubt this information but wonder if anyone has a copy/transcript of the original record. One of their daughters was Mary Gittings Tyson. I wonder whey she was given the middle name Gittings. (1937) John Gillingham, son of James and Elizabeth (Hayward) Gillingham, was born 3-31-1787 and died 6-11-1848. He married 9-21-1814 Mary Updegraff - Child: ... Mary Gillingham, was born 8-14-1825 and died 1-26-1892. She married [5-13-1847] Henry Tyson. [THE MOORE-TYSON FAMILY Ed. Henry Ferris (1937) page 8 & 9, citing Records in possession of descendants] Richard Williams 30 King Street WINTERTON North Lincolnshire DN15 9TP 01724 737254 sylvanus@rahwilliams.orangehome.co.uk

My non-Quaker grandparents are buried in a Quaker Cemetery Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2013, at 4:48 AM, marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> wrote: > I think that if one thinks about it with a cool head and logic, you KNOW that there are non-quakers buried in the quaker burial grounds. Sharon's example is a good one: > >> My grandmother's uncle, Joseph Jinnett, was buried at Pilot Grove, Vermilion Co., Illinois when he died from a wound suffered during the Civil War. He had been disowned, but was buried there nevertheless. > > Who is going to tell that distraught mother that she can not bury her son in the same cemetery as her mother...her father... her grandmother....fill in the blank... > > I can not prove that my 5-gr-grandmother, Sarah Moore McKinsey, was buried in the Bush River Cemetery. It gives me a great deal of comfort to think that indeed her family buried her near Nehemiah Thomas and probably a few children who had been buried there ....before the family moved to Ohio. The family was no longer Quaker....I know this for sure because a daughter-in-law was dis for marrying a McKinsey son. But I believe that the family had been Quaker in an earlier generation. And that it is possible that they were still attending ...don't know....but when I think about burying my own, I think about how I would want them to be among family. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here in Indiana at least some Friends burial places sell plots. Fall Creek, near Pendleton, is one. The proceeds of the sales are used for upkeep. Fall Creek has two sections--the original burial ground, which dates to the 1830s, and a newer section laid out about 1900. When my wife and I bought plots there, we were told that if we wanted to be buried in the old graveyard the plots were $5 apiece. They are more expensive in the new section. Tom Hamm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Hinshaw" <sethhinshaw@yahoo.com> To: KTompk7744@aol.com, mosesm@earthlink.net, quaker-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:08:36 AM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Quaker burials---questions Jan - I have never heard of a Friends meeting selling burial plots. I know of one instance where a burial ground was full, and someone (a non-member) purchased an adjacent parcel of land and donated it so that he could be buried there. In Ohio Yearly Meeting, we mostly retain the process of burying people in the next available location. However, in several instances in North Carolina YM (FUM), the local meeting has plotted out the burial ground to allow families members to be buried together. Seth ________________________________ From: "KTompk7744@aol.com" <KTompk7744@aol.com> To: mosesm@earthlink.net; quaker-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:41 AM Subject: [Q-R] Quaker burials---questions Now you folks have got me thinking about cemetery plots. I don't know how the Quakers handle such things, but the cemeteries I'm familiar with SELL the individual gravesites to folks. Thus the individual gravesites are owned (sooner or later) by individuals. And the cemetery wouldn't be able to refuse to allow a burial unless it was an extraordinary situation. Maybe the Quakers were above such mundane commerce, but my cemetery plot consists of two side-by-side lots in the Bethel Baptist Church cemetery, for which I paid a very reasonable sum, and I have a letter of title showing which two lots they are. The cemetery association, related to the church, didn't ask if I were a member or if anybody in the family was. Theoretically I could have bought four or five plots in a certain spot. It might be interesting to know whether burial sites for the Quakers were free and whether you got to reserve a specific location for your family. JanT In a message dated 5/28/2013 8:54:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mosesm@earthlink.net writes: I think that if one thinks about it with a cool head and logic, you KNOW that there are non-quakers buried in the quaker burial grounds. Sharon's example is a good one: > My grandmother's uncle, Joseph Jinnett, was buried at Pilot Grove, Vermilion Co., Illinois when he died from a wound suffered during the Civil War. He had been disowned, but was buried there nevertheless. Who is going to tell that distraught mother that she can not bury her son in the same cemetery as her mother...her father... her grandmother....fill in the blank... I can not prove that my 5-gr-grandmother, Sarah Moore McKinsey, was buried in the Bush River Cemetery. It gives me a great deal of comfort to think that indeed her family buried her near Nehemiah Thomas and probably a few children who had been buried there ....before the family moved to Ohio. The family was no longer Quaker....I know this for sure because a daughter-in-law was dis for marrying a McKinsey son. But I believe that the family had been Quaker in an earlier generation. And that it is possible that they were still attending ...don't know....but when I think about burying my own, I think about how I would want them to be among family. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message