To all of you with such quick and willing information about Rodger Crary (Carary) 1681 and family - thank you very much. Carolyn Crary Flint ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the KillerWebMail system at http://www.tenforward.com

In a message dated 11/1/2004 5:47:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, ri1654@earthlink.net writes: Yes, this was a group of English and Irish Quakers who landed and settled at Newton Colony in southern New Jersey. Actually Elsinboro is in Salem County--Fenwick's Colony. Joan

Carolyn, Yes, this was a group of English and Irish Quakers who landed and settled at Newton Colony in southern New Jersey. In those days, it was Gloucester County, but the area is now known as Camden County and the new Gloucester County is to the south. The towns that make up what was then Newton Colony are today called Oaklyn, Haddon Township, Collingswood, West Collingswood, and part of Camden. Most traces of the old colony are gone, but the original burial ground exists. No stones exist from that period, though. It is reported the Quaker Meeting House was on the same ground. I have been researching this colony for the Bates Association. I don't recognize the name you mentioned, but I'll look through the information I have and see if I run across it. Frank Comstock -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Flint [mailto:molly@tenforward.com] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:16 AM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Q-R] "Ye Owner's Adventure" 1681 Has anyone in this group ever run across a list of passengers that traveled from Dublin to America on "Ye Owner's Adventure" in 1681? I think they disembarked at a place called Elsinboro, and that at least some of them were Quakers. Am looking for any reference to a Rodger Crary, supposedly on that voyage. Thanks in advance, Carolyn Crary Flint ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Frank - are there any Austin family names in that area of New Jersey? I think my ancestor may have been Quaker. Rick >From: "Frank Comstock" <ri1654@earthlink.net> >Reply-To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [Q-R] "Ye Owner's Adventure" 1681 >Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:46:53 -0500 > >Carolyn, > >Yes, this was a group of English and Irish Quakers who landed and settled >at >Newton Colony in southern New Jersey. In those days, it was Gloucester >County, but the area is now known as Camden County and the new Gloucester >County is to the south. The towns that make up what was then Newton Colony >are today called Oaklyn, Haddon Township, Collingswood, West Collingswood, >and part of Camden. Most traces of the old colony are gone, but the >original burial ground exists. No stones exist from that period, though. >It >is reported the Quaker Meeting House was on the same ground. > >I have been researching this colony for the Bates Association. I don't >recognize the name you mentioned, but I'll look through the information I >have and see if I run across it. > >Frank Comstock > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carolyn Flint [mailto:molly@tenforward.com] >Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:16 AM >To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Q-R] "Ye Owner's Adventure" 1681 > >Has anyone in this group ever run across a list of passengers that traveled >from Dublin to America on "Ye Owner's Adventure" in 1681? I think they >disembarked at a place called Elsinboro, and that at least some of them >were >Quakers. Am looking for any reference to a Rodger Crary, supposedly on >that >voyage. > >Thanks in advance, Carolyn Crary Flint > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx

In a message dated 11/1/2004 9:14:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, molly@tenforward.com writes: Has anyone in this group ever run across a list of passengers that traveled from Dublin to America on "Ye Owner's Adventure" in 1681? I think they disembarked at a place called Elsinboro, and that at least some of them were Quakers. Am looking for any reference to a Rodger Crary, supposedly on that voyage. Thanks in advance, Carolyn Crary Flint Carolyn- I have the following from Salem County Genealogical Data Vol. 1: The Owners' Adventure arrived at Elsinboro 9-10-1681 and the only passengers listed are: Carary, Elizabeth, wf. Roger and Carary, Roger, Dublin, Ire. Another ship is listed just below this one called The Owners' Advice and Lionel Brittain wf, and child are listed as the passengers. Joan

There's an Elsinboro in Salem County, New Jersey. Many Quakers resided in that area - try "Salem County Historical Society" in Salem, Salem, NJ Joan jcp163@tampabay.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Flint" <molly@tenforward.com> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: [Q-R] "Ye Owner's Adventure" 1681 > Has anyone in this group ever run across a list of passengers that > traveled > from Dublin to America on "Ye Owner's Adventure" in 1681? I think they > disembarked at a place called Elsinboro, and that at least some of them > were > Quakers. Am looking for any reference to a Rodger Crary, supposedly on > that > voyage. > > Thanks in advance, Carolyn Crary Flint > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Has anyone in this group ever run across a list of passengers that traveled from Dublin to America on "Ye Owner's Adventure" in 1681? I think they disembarked at a place called Elsinboro, and that at least some of them were Quakers. Am looking for any reference to a Rodger Crary, supposedly on that voyage. Thanks in advance, Carolyn Crary Flint

Do you know the parents and siblings of John MARTIN and Susanna OURIE/UREY/ULRY? I have data on their children that I'll be glad to share. The Martins were said to have come from Ireland, probably in the early 1700's. John Martin b. ca.1774-75 York Co., PA d. ca.1848-1849, Fallsbury Twp., Licking Co., OH (possibly) Susan[nah] Ourie/ b.ca.1776-1777 PA (possibly) Urey/ d. ca. 1817 in PA or ca. 1818 in Belmont Co., OH Ulry/ Ourigh John married Susanna Ourie/ Urey/ Ulry about 1797, probably whereever her parents were. That Ourie/ Urey/Ulry family most likely lived in PA during the 1770-1800 period. Children of John and Susanna (Ourie) Martin: Samuel, b. 1799, PA Margaret, b. ca 1800, PA Susanna, b. ca 1804, PA Rachel, b. ca 1806, PA Joseph, b. ca 1812, PA Angeline [Anne], b. ca. 1813, PA Jacob, b. ca 1817, PA Two other children of unknown gender and uknown birthdate were probably born between 1797 and 1820. They were not found after that date. -Bill Martin Denver, CO

Helen and Chris, I was able to get the "Register of Burials of the People Called Quakers Belonging to the Monthly Meeting of MARSDEN in the county of Lancaster," M.DCC.:XXVI as well as two Registers of Births, etc. M.DCC.LXVI through our local LDS Gen. library who in turn ordered it from the main library in SLC. Perhaps other areas' Monthly Meeting records would be available as well. mary jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Dickinson" <chris@dickinson.uk.net> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Q-R] QUAKERS...England > Helene Deschenes wrote: > > >Good day, > >Would anyone with knowledge of Quaker history be able to tell me how one > can > >learn of a person or family in Lancaster prior to 1734? > >My 4th great-grandfather left that meeting to come to America with a > >certificate from the Friends there. His name was Thomas Cornthwait[e]. > >Thank you very much for your help. > > > You first step should be to look at a microfilm of the Lancashire Quarterly > Meeting or the Lancaster Monthly Meeting. > > Problem is - I can't see any microfilm in the LDS Family History Catalog, > except for a transcript by Gilbert Cope: > > English Friends records, Lancashire, births, 1650-1729, marriages, > 1655-1729, deaths, 1659-1729 > Includes monthly meetings of Hardshaw, Hardshaw East and West, Lancaster, > Marsden, Preston, Swarthmore. > > FHL BRITISH Film > 441398 Items 1-3 > > But a copy should be at the record office for Lancashire in Preston, so I > would suggest emailing them. See: > > record.office@ed.lancscc.gov.uk > http://www.archives.lancashire.gov.uk > > > You may also find that the librarian at the Friends Library in Euston, > London, would do a lookup for you. See: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~engqfhs/ > > > A microfilm will also be available at the Society of Genealogists in London, > of which I and others on this list are members. It would be a fairly easy > task to do a quick search. I'm not sure whether I'll be there at all this > year, though ... but maybe someone else will be able to do a check for you. > > http://www.sog.org.uk/ > > > Presumably too some American libraries stock the film. > > Once you've got the basic BMD details of his family, you can progress from > there. Minutes, wills, etc.. > > The only reference I found on a quick search on A2A was for the marriage of > Margaret Cornthwaite and Jame Goad in 1699 at the Lancaster Monthly Meeting > Ref: FRL 2/1/11 > > Chris > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. > >

Rev. Timothy Davis , son of John, was a Quaker Minister in Rochester, Ma. (NY?) in the 1600s. I would like documentation of his parentage. Thank you, Joan Keller

I wish thank thank everyone who answered my query concerning "Mr. Brown". Sometimes these family stories can lead a person absolutely nowhere but can be true to some degree. Glenn Hand ----- Original Message ----- From: <Standcedargrove@aol.com> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 10:59 PM Subject: [Q-R] Mr. Brown, a Quaker > There has been recent discussion on this web site of a William Brown who came > to Pennsylvania with William Penn. > The name Brown, or William Brown, is a very common name. The only William > Brown who comes to my mind during this time period is the William Brown, son of > Richard Brown of Bedfordshire and Northhamptonshire, who came to Pennsylvania > in the early 1680's and settled at Chichester, near Marcus Hook, where his > brother, James Brown had already settled. I believe that James Brown came to > southern New Jersey in 1677 on the ship "Kent", disembarking at Burlington. > Within a year he had married Honour Clayton, daughter of William and Prudence > Clayton, who had brought their family on the "Kent" from Sussex. William Clayton, > a public Friend, was well known to William Penn. James and Honour (Clayton) > Brown and the Clayton family soon moved across the Delaware River and settled > in Chichester Twp. in present-day Delaware County, PA. Beginning about 1683, > William Clayton served on William Penn's Provincial Council for Pennsylvania > and was engaged by William Penn to build a jail in Philadelphia. > > William Brown, brother of James Brown, was in Pennsylvania from as early > as 1684, according to my hazy recollection, living at Chichester. About 1700, > toward the end of his second sojourn in Pennsylvania, William Penn became > involved in a territorial dispute with the Calvert family, proprietors of > Maryland, and William Penn and his agent, James Logan, persuaded a group of Quakers > to settle on the Nottingham Lots at the western tip of Chester County, on the > Pennsylvania/Maryland border, in order to strengthen Penn's territorial claim > to that area. The Nottingham settlement was established about 1701-1702, with > the first nucleus of settlers being from the Chichester Friends settlement, > mostly descendants of William Clayton, who was no longer living. William Brown > and family were part of this settlement, and William Brown became a leader of > the Nottingham Friends Meeting. He seems to have been married four times. He > m. 1st Dorothy ____, m. 2nd Ann Mercer, m. 3rd Catherine Williams, m. 4th > Mary Matthews. William Brown died in 1746 at Nottingham. > > There are probably several studies of the Brown family of Nottingham. > Some genealogical records are included in Bicentennial history of Nottingham > Monthly Meeting published about 1902. > > ---------- Herbert Standing. > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Need assistance? Please contact:Quaker-Roots-L-Admin@RootsWeb.com > List Manager for Quaker-Roots-L and Quaker-Roots-D > Now with over 750 subscribers >

There has been recent discussion on this web site of a William Brown who came to Pennsylvania with William Penn. The name Brown, or William Brown, is a very common name. The only William Brown who comes to my mind during this time period is the William Brown, son of Richard Brown of Bedfordshire and Northhamptonshire, who came to Pennsylvania in the early 1680's and settled at Chichester, near Marcus Hook, where his brother, James Brown had already settled. I believe that James Brown came to southern New Jersey in 1677 on the ship "Kent", disembarking at Burlington. Within a year he had married Honour Clayton, daughter of William and Prudence Clayton, who had brought their family on the "Kent" from Sussex. William Clayton, a public Friend, was well known to William Penn. James and Honour (Clayton) Brown and the Clayton family soon moved across the Delaware River and settled in Chichester Twp. in present-day Delaware County, PA. Beginning about 1683, William Clayton served on William Penn's Provincial Council for Pennsylvania and was engaged by William Penn to build a jail in Philadelphia. William Brown, brother of James Brown, was in Pennsylvania from as early as 1684, according to my hazy recollection, living at Chichester. About 1700, toward the end of his second sojourn in Pennsylvania, William Penn became involved in a territorial dispute with the Calvert family, proprietors of Maryland, and William Penn and his agent, James Logan, persuaded a group of Quakers to settle on the Nottingham Lots at the western tip of Chester County, on the Pennsylvania/Maryland border, in order to strengthen Penn's territorial claim to that area. The Nottingham settlement was established about 1701-1702, with the first nucleus of settlers being from the Chichester Friends settlement, mostly descendants of William Clayton, who was no longer living. William Brown and family were part of this settlement, and William Brown became a leader of the Nottingham Friends Meeting. He seems to have been married four times. He m. 1st Dorothy ____, m. 2nd Ann Mercer, m. 3rd Catherine Williams, m. 4th Mary Matthews. William Brown died in 1746 at Nottingham. There are probably several studies of the Brown family of Nottingham. Some genealogical records are included in Bicentennial history of Nottingham Monthly Meeting published about 1902. ---------- Herbert Standing.

Helene Deschenes wrote: >Good day, >Would anyone with knowledge of Quaker history be able to tell me how one can >learn of a person or family in Lancaster prior to 1734? >My 4th great-grandfather left that meeting to come to America with a >certificate from the Friends there. His name was Thomas Cornthwait[e]. >Thank you very much for your help. You first step should be to look at a microfilm of the Lancashire Quarterly Meeting or the Lancaster Monthly Meeting. Problem is - I can't see any microfilm in the LDS Family History Catalog, except for a transcript by Gilbert Cope: English Friends records, Lancashire, births, 1650-1729, marriages, 1655-1729, deaths, 1659-1729 Includes monthly meetings of Hardshaw, Hardshaw East and West, Lancaster, Marsden, Preston, Swarthmore. FHL BRITISH Film 441398 Items 1-3 But a copy should be at the record office for Lancashire in Preston, so I would suggest emailing them. See: record.office@ed.lancscc.gov.uk http://www.archives.lancashire.gov.uk You may also find that the librarian at the Friends Library in Euston, London, would do a lookup for you. See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engqfhs/ A microfilm will also be available at the Society of Genealogists in London, of which I and others on this list are members. It would be a fairly easy task to do a quick search. I'm not sure whether I'll be there at all this year, though ... but maybe someone else will be able to do a check for you. http://www.sog.org.uk/ Presumably too some American libraries stock the film. Once you've got the basic BMD details of his family, you can progress from there. Minutes, wills, etc.. The only reference I found on a quick search on A2A was for the marriage of Margaret Cornthwaite and Jame Goad in 1699 at the Lancaster Monthly Meeting Ref: FRL 2/1/11 Chris

In a message dated 10/30/2004 7:04:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, ctgd@mac.com writes: Glenn; I have a copy of BUCKS COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA: CHURCH RECORDS OF THE 17th and 18th CENTURIES_Volume 2 by Anna Miller Watring and F. Edward Wright. This book contains records of the Falls and Middletown MMs. The most distant Browns recorded are Samuel BROWN and Anna Clark BROWN, whose first child was born in 1718. There are no BROWNs on the currently approved list for the Welcome, the ship that Penn arrived upon, but this does not mean that there were none. Carol T. Glenn and Carol- I don't know if this is of any interest or not but I happened to come across the Salem County, NJ will of Catharine OLMOND. The will is dated 12-6-1775 and proved 1-24-1776. Listed are child Mary; cousins Rebeckah and Christiana BROWN, daughters of Samuel and Ann BROWN; Daniel LAMBSON, son of Thomas LAMBSON; and Brother-in-law Samuel BROWN. Lib. 17, p. 353. Joan

Glenn; I have a copy of BUCKS COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA: CHURCH RECORDS OF THE 17th and 18th CENTURIES_Volume 2 by Anna Miller Watring and F. Edward Wright. This book contains records of the Falls and Middletown MMs. The most distant Browns recorded are Samuel BROWN and Anna Clark BROWN, whose first child was born in 1718. There are no BROWNs on the currently approved list for the Welcome, the ship that Penn arrived upon, but this does not mean that there were none. Carol T. On Oct 29, 2004, at 8:50 AM, Patsy Hand wrote: >> From a history written about this family comes the following: > J.C. Brownfield was married in PA in 1846 to MISS MARTHA SCHIPP > [CHIPPS], daugher of David Schipp, a native of the Keystone State and > of German descent. He was a contractor in stone and brick work. > Through one branch of the family she traces her ancestry back to a MR. > BROWN, a Quaker who came to America with the noted William Penn. > My question is this....can anyone help us identify MR. BROWN > Thank you for your attention to this request. > Glenn Hand > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. > > Carol Thompson CTGD 130 Center Street Clinton, NJ 08809

There is a book of some hundreds of pages that attempts to discover just who was on the "Welcome" with William Penn, and gives information on the first generation or two of their families. I believe (but don't fully trus my memory on the details) that the author is McCracken, and the title is /Welcome Claimants, Proved, Disproved, and Doubtful/. I don't have a copy at hand, so can't tell you if it includes any Browns. -- Dan Treadway P O Box 72 Gilbert IA 50105 treadway@netins.net http://showcase.netins.net/web/treadway/ -----Original Message----- From: Patsy Hand [mailto:ghand@viptx.net] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 6:35 AM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Q-R] Re: Mr. Brown, A Quaker Christina, could you please tell me where and how I might find some info on this Wm. Brown who had connections to Wm. Penn. Thanks, Glenn Hand

Hi Dan, This could be a big clue. Thank you for taking the time to send this information. And thank you to the other two people who also provided leads in this query. Sincerely, Beth Zaring > >I have a copy of a little book by Lois Barton titled /A Quaker Promise >Kept, >Philadelphia Friends' Work with the Allegany Senecas, 1795-1960/, which >tells the story of a Quaker school at Tunessassa on the Allegany River in >southern New York. One person mentioned is William C. Hoag, a Seneca who >had been a student in 1872. > >After 1850, the school added dormitories for students who came from a >distance. > >-- >Dan Treadway >P O Box 72 Gilbert IA 50105 >treadway@netins.net >http://showcase.netins.net/web/treadway/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elizabeth Zaring [mailto:bethzaring@hotmail.com] >Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:03 AM >To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Q-R] Seneca Indian Hoag > > >Dear Folks, > >I am helping a friend research his great grandfather, who family legend has >it, was a Seneca Indian with the surname of Hoag. Bob Henninge's >grandfather was a careful family genealogist who researched his mothers' >and >fathers' family lines. But late in his life, he told four close family >members that his father really was not his biological father. The >grandfather told the story that his biological father was a Seneca Indian >who was, and this is not a joke, the milkman. This took place in New >Albion >and Little Valley, Cattaraugus County New York and the family name was >Lawrence. The story handed down through the family was when the Indians >were about to be rousted out of their homes, the Quakers would alert the >Indians so they could excape. Some of the Indians did escape, but some >were >also taken into the Quaker homes and would be given the Quakers' surname. >In >the Lawrence family case, a Seneca Indian by the name of Hoag was the >family's milkman and fathered a child by Mrs. Lawrence, a son, the >grandfather of my friend Bob. > >Has anyone ever heard of the Quakers in New York playing such a role as >this, taking Indians into their homes and giving them their surnames? Were >there Quakers in Cattaraugus County NY? I haven't been given a time frame >but it would be the entire 1800's. > >Thank you for any clues. > >Beth Zaring > > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. >

Christina, could you please tell me where and how I might find some info on this Wm. Brown who had connections to Wm. Penn. Thanks, Glenn Hand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilson Christina" <fmlyhntr@yahoo.com> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: [Q-R] Re: Mr. Brown, A Quaker > > From a history written about this family comes the > > following: > > J.C. Brownfield was married in PA in 1846 to MISS > > MARTHA SCHIPP [CHIPPS], daugher of David Schipp, a > > native of the Keystone State and of German descent. > > He was a contractor in stone and brick work. > > Through one branch of the family she traces her > > ancestry back to a MR. BROWN, a Quaker who came to > > America with the noted William Penn. > > My question is this....can anyone help us identify > > MR. BROWN > > Thank you for your attention to this request. > > Glenn Hand > > > I have a William Brown(e), a Quaker, who came to > Pennsylvania in the late 1600s. There is a William > Brown who has connections to Mr. Penn, but I've yet to > see if this is my William Brown. > > Christina > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Visit The Quaker Corner - http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers >

Good day, Would anyone with knowledge of Quaker history be able to tell me how one can learn of a person or family in Lancaster prior to 1734? My 4th great-grandfather left that meeting to come to America with a certificate from the Friends there. His name was Thomas Cornthwait[e]. Thank you very much for your help. Sincerely, Helen "If you don't know where you are going, You should know where you came from." SEARCHING: Cornthwait{e}, Davis,Read/Reed, Hill, Melcher,Cloud, Blackburn,Rogers,Matthews,Ritchie, Riley, Phelps, Mullan,Graves, mostly in MD & PA and Deschenes/Milville/Kirouac in MA & Canada

Beth, I have a copy of a little book by Lois Barton titled /A Quaker Promise Kept, Philadelphia Friends' Work with the Allegany Senecas, 1795-1960/, which tells the story of a Quaker school at Tunessassa on the Allegany River in southern New York. One person mentioned is William C. Hoag, a Seneca who had been a student in 1872. After 1850, the school added dormitories for students who came from a distance. -- Dan Treadway P O Box 72 Gilbert IA 50105 treadway@netins.net http://showcase.netins.net/web/treadway/ -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Zaring [mailto:bethzaring@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:03 AM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Q-R] Seneca Indian Hoag Dear Folks, I am helping a friend research his great grandfather, who family legend has it, was a Seneca Indian with the surname of Hoag. Bob Henninge's grandfather was a careful family genealogist who researched his mothers' and fathers' family lines. But late in his life, he told four close family members that his father really was not his biological father. The grandfather told the story that his biological father was a Seneca Indian who was, and this is not a joke, the milkman. This took place in New Albion and Little Valley, Cattaraugus County New York and the family name was Lawrence. The story handed down through the family was when the Indians were about to be rousted out of their homes, the Quakers would alert the Indians so they could excape. Some of the Indians did escape, but some were also taken into the Quaker homes and would be given the Quakers' surname. In the Lawrence family case, a Seneca Indian by the name of Hoag was the family's milkman and fathered a child by Mrs. Lawrence, a son, the grandfather of my friend Bob. Has anyone ever heard of the Quakers in New York playing such a role as this, taking Indians into their homes and giving them their surnames? Were there Quakers in Cattaraugus County NY? I haven't been given a time frame but it would be the entire 1800's. Thank you for any clues. Beth Zaring ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl