<<<Susan E. Davis <SHASTA4737@aol.com> wrote: >I forget to tell you that I really like the Wrightsboro site, too. I go there a lot! Did you know that former president Jimmy Carter wrote a book that has some history associated with the Quakers at Wrightsboro? Some of his ancestors (they were not Quakers) lived in or close to the settlement. His book is a novel but it has historical information in it. I just bought it and hope to read it soon when I have time. The name of the book is The Hornet's Nest<<< Today, I did go out and buy a a copy of "The Hornet's Nest", which is a novel of the Revolutionary War" -- a York Times Best Seller. According to The Wall Street Journal, "Carter has written an involving, instructive, exciting novel about the War for Independence as it was fought in Georgia and the Carolinas, backwaters usually overlooked by Massachu-centric historians." *********** http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2064/wrights.htm Wrightsboro Inhabitants Website above has listing of Family Associations with the URL included: "The Mendenhall Family Association has much information on the Wrightsboro Mendenhalls: search their databases for 'Wrightsboro', 'Phineas Mendenhall' or 'Marmaduke Mendenhall' " Descendents of these two men, 1/2 brothers are sons of James J. Mendenhall, who with 2nd wife, Hannah Thomas, migrate from Chester Co., PA>Guilford Co., NC>Wrightsborough Settlement, GA . James Mendenhall died shortly after arriving in GA and he is buried there -- my 5th G-Grandfather. Many descendentsof Phineas Mendenhall's, as well as descendents of Marmaduke Mendenhall , were early settlers of the Miami River Valley, Ohio. (It was with the Preble County Library's genealogy group, that helped me started with genealogy of my G-Grandfather, Hiram C. Moore, OH>IN>IA married Elvira Mendenhall, NC>IN>IA>OR -- "the Mendenhall Connection"!. You see, Uncle Samuel Moore md. Alice Mendenhall of Lost Creek MM, E. TN and migrated to Economy, Wayne Co., IN.) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2064/wrightlist.htm Lists the Individuals This List includes: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2064/Moore.html Richard Moore b. 22 12m 1697, Blockely Twsp., Philadelphia Co., PA, (son of John Moore and Jane Cuerton) m. 1720, in Philadelphia, Sarah Jenkins, b. 20 Feb 1697/8, d. 1784, Richmond Co., GA. Richard died 1784, Wrightsboro, Richmond Co., GA. It is the thought of Moore Reasearchers that my James Moore, b. NC??>E TN> Preble Co., OH, is of disowoned Quaker Moore, who travelled south from Philadelphiaa with the Quakers; and could be a descendent of John & Jane (Cuerton) Moore, Phildelphia and Immagrants from England. From the very starting date of late May 1998, different members of this MOORE group have suggested a relationship with some especially suggest coming from the Phiadelphia family and from a Mordecia Moore, disowned Quaker and lost to the family. The really strange thing is that Seymour Moore and a brother had land next door to my Moores in Preble Co., OH and again in Henry Co., IN -- they almost had to be related or "best friends! We did obtain copies of their BLMs of the lands back in abt 1998/1999. "---->and on and on"! I still haven't gotten back to real work in genealogy, since our selling our Arizona vacation home and selling our Illinois residence, following moving into a brand new home in Southern Maryland, just about a year ago. So keep an eye open for disowned Quaker Moore, especially for a Mordecia Moore of John & Jane (Cuerton) Moore family, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Thanks. Violet Moore Guy vmguy@gmpexpress.net 12.04/2004

In respect to Barnabas Coffin Jr, researched data appears to be sparse. Indiana records indicate the following Blue River MM, Washington co,IN 25 Jun 1816 - Barnabas & wife Sarah & ch Rachel, Samuel, & John rocf Deep River MM,NC 3 Aug 1816 - Sarah Coffin appointed Clerk of Women's Mtg Gene.Records show Barnabas Jr b.28 Oct 1785, son of Barnabas & Phebe Sarah (Wheeler), b.5 Oct 1785, dau of John & Rachel Driftwood MM set off from Blue River MM,IN in 1820 Driftwood MM, Jackson co,IN Barnabas Coffin Jr a Charter Member in 1820 13 Dec 1823 Barnabas gct Whitewater MM Gene.Records show Barnabas & Sarah (no dates) shows 3 surviving children born in NC & 4 ch born in Indiana although attributed to birth in NC last child Sarah bur.10 Jul 1820, Driftwood cem; earlier ch Phebe & Barnabas were bur. Blue River cem Whitewater MM, Wayne co,IN 17 Jan 1824 Barnabas received from Driftwood MM; [endorsed to Chester MM] 17 Jan 1824 Sarah received from Driftwood MM; [endorsed to Chester MM] Chester MM set off from Whitewater MM,IN in 1823 Chester MM, Wayne co,IN 30 Nov 1823 - Rachel Coffin, dau of Barnabas, decd, & Sarah married Brantley Stafford at Chester MH 26 Aug 1842 - Lydia Esther Coffin, dau of Barnabas, decd, & Sarah, maried Samuel Knight at Chester MH 25 Jun 1828 - Sarah Coffin, widow, of Wayne co,IN, dau of Daniel (sic) & Rachel, decd, married Daniel Votaw, of Wayne co,IN, son of Isaac, decd, & Ann, of Columbiana co,OH, at Chester MH in 1831 - Daniel Votaw & wife Sarah & 4 Votaw children, & John W Coffin, Lydia Esther Coffin, & Beulah Hunt on membership list Gene.Records show Barnabas Coffin (no dates) Sarah (Votaw) b.5 Oct 1785, dau of John & Rachel Wheeler 3 ch: Rachel Stafford, John W Coffin, Lydia Esther Coffin It would appear from the evidence that Barnabas Coffin Jr likely died in Wayne co,IN in Nov 1823. Those researchers showing him marrying 2ndly in 1830 are in error. His widow Sarah Wheeler remarried in 1828 to Daniel Votaw, whose 1st wife had died in 1827. Daniel Votaw & Sarah Wheeler had 1 child Sarah B Votaw, b.14 May 1829; d.24 Jul 1829;bur at Chester. For Violet Moore Guy, this individual Barnabas Coffin Jr is clearly the man who owned land in Jackson co,IN in 1816. Regards, Jerry Richmond You are cordially invited to visit "The Quaker Collection" http://home.sprynet.com/~jrichmon/qkrcoll.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Hamm" <tomh@earlham.edu> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Barnabas & Phebe (Marshall) COFFIN, Nantucket> Guiliford, Co., NC > There is, or was, a marker at Deep River for "BC 8th Mo. 13, 1815." > Since that matches Barnabas Coffin's date of death, I have always > assumed that it was his. > > > > >Michael: > > > >Thanks so much for the look-up! > > > >According to the information about Barnabas & Phebe (Marshall) Coffin's son > >Barnabas, Jr, as found in the 6 g-chart, which was published in "COFFIN > >FAMILY NEWSLETTER", August 1997, Volume XIII, No. 3, Whole No 51 (pp14 & > >15): > > > >Barnabas Coffin, Jr. > > m. 1st, Sarah WHEELER. b. 1785, m 1806 - 8 children > > m. 2nd, Sophia FISLER, b. 1814, m. 1830, d. 1850 - children listed.. > >--- I translate your info from Crane Creek as: > >"Sarah WHEELER is the daugheter of John & Mary (Piggott) Wheeler". > > > >Barnabas Coffin Sr. transferred his Nantucket, MA certificate at New Garden, > >MM, Guiford Co., NC and then he & Phebe were listed in the formation of > >Deep Creek MM, where their children are listed -- and Barnabas Coffin, Sr. > >became Clerk of the QM or the YM, I believe (but then, I know only from > >genealogy studies, the structure of the Quaker Meetings.) > > > > > >WHEEKER: Just remember that my widowed 4G-Grandmother Mendnhall md.2ndly, > >the widower, Manlove WHEELER. I'll have to look at Deep Creek MM records. > > > >When I was there at the Deep River Meeting house for1999's Mendenhall Family > >Reuion, I found the Manlove Wheeler's (a widower with children by first > >wife) grave plots as I was looking for his 2nd wife, Mary (Kendall) > >Mendenhall . who is the widow of Elijah ; therefore, she is my > >4G-Grandmother Mendenhall. We were unable to find Barnabas, Sr. & Phebe > >(Marshall) Coffins' graves, but we did find the grave of their grandson, > >Shubal Coffin, MD. > > > >QUESTION for the List: > >Does anyone know "the Barnabas Coffin owning a section of land in New > >Farmington, IN in the year 1816 (Quaker-1816)"??? > > > >New Farmington, IN is near Seymour, which is west of I- 65, on US-50, so > >probably in Jackson County? Their are other Coffins from NC>IN as well as > >those that migrated > >directly from Nantucket or elsewhere in the East. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Violet Moore Guy > >11/30/2004 > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "usacmech" <usacmech@prodigy.net> > >To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 5:49 AM > >Subject: Re: [Q-R] Barnabas & Phebe (Marshall) COFFIN, Nantucket> Guiliford, > >Co., NC > > > > > >> >From the book " Piedmont North Carolina Cemeteries ", Quaker records of > >the > >> Cane Creek MM, (now) Alamance Co, NC., by Mr. & Mrs. Hornaday. > >> > >> Cane Creek Birth and Death Records > >> > >> Sarah Wheeler born 7-31-1793 dau of John and Elizabeth. > >> John Wheeler born 4-8-1746 husband of Elizabeth born 1760, son of John and > >> Mary Wheelr. Born in Maryland > >> Elizabeth Wheeler born 4-24-1760. Wife of John born 1746, dau of Benjamin > >> and Mary Piggott. > >> > >> I don't know if this is the Mary Wheeler who married Barnabas Coffin. > >> > >> Take Care. Michael > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Violet O.Guy" <vmguy@gmpexpress.net> > >> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 12:42 AM > >> Subject: [Q-R] Barnabas & Phebe (Marshall) COFFIN, Nantucket> Guiliford, > >> Co., NC > >> > >> > >> > Q-Rers: > >> > > >> > My response to a query this week on GenForum -- " a record of Barnabas > >> Coffin owning a section of land in New Farmington, IN in the year 1816. > >> (Quaker-1816)" > >> > > >> > "Barnabas Coffin, Indiana: There are possibly two laterals from my line > >of > >> "Barnabas & Phebe (Marshall)Coffin, Nantucket, MA>Guilford Co., NC" for > >> Barnabas is a family name! > >> > > >> > "1) SON, Barnabas Coffin m. Sarah Wheeler dr of John. > >> > (No other information published in "The Coffin Family" edited by Louis > >> Coffin, NHA; page 274. *Nothing more, not even a number; however you might > >> check Quaker Records at New Garden MM and/or at Deep River MM in Guilford > >> Co., NC.)" > >> > > >> > "2) GRANDSON, Barnabas Coffin s/o Joseph & Hannah (Ballinger) Coffin, > >md. > >> Miriam Worth dr of David & Eunice > >> > 12/29/1829; see "The Coffin Family" page 285 and page 300. Quaker > >records > >> may be obtained from Deep River MM, Guilford Co., IN and Springfield MM, > >> Wayne Co., IN." > >> > > >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> > > >> > I have found this: in "COFFIN FAMILY NEWWSLETTER", August 1997, Volume > >> XIII, No. 3, Whole No 51: > >> > > >> > "Barnabas Coffin, Jr. and his two wives": Louis Coffin, page 274, had > >> Barnabas, son of Barnabas and Phebe (Marshall) Coffin and his wife Sarah > >> Wheeler but had no birth or dates and no family. It was stated by Editor, > >> David P. Coffin in his article that there was a database of 6-generations; > >> and he went on to write that "Many of our Coffins in the mid-west are > >> descended from the line of William and Priscilla of North Carolina, > >> grandparents of this Barnabas Junior." > >> > > >> > Others who migrated to Indiana: 1) My own GGG-Grandparents, Himelius & > >> Priscilla (Coffin) Mendenhall as well as > >> 2) Hannah Coffin dr Barnabas & Phebe md. Joseoh C. Hitchcock, who migrated > >> to Indiana, are descendents of Barnabas & Phebe. > >> > > >> > Thanks for any help :-) > >> > > >> > Violet Moore Guy > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Need assistance? 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Dale, There are no Moormans or Adcocks listed in the index of persons or in the index of landowners. This treats with the colonial era from the 1760s thru 1790s, mostly. SOrry I couldn't help more. Bonnie in Anderson, IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Harguess" <dharguess@coastline.edu> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 2:54 PM Subject: RE: [Q-R] Land transactions In Rowan/Orange/Guilford/Randolph Counties in NC >I do not know the area at all. You mentioned that the map had some > names on it. Do you know if there were any Moorman's or Adcocks? > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bonnie Lyons [mailto:mbonlyons@netusa1.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:25 PM > To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Land transactions In Rowan/Orange/Guilford/Randolph > Counties in NC > > Dale, > > There are a couple of mentions of the Peedee River in the book that > acompanies the map. Nothing major. The scale for the map is 3/4 inch = > 5000 > feet, so it is quite detailed. I've looked but will look again. Do you > have > any idea in what part of Guilford County? There are a LOT of creeks and > rivers. > > Bonnie in Indiana > > From: "Dale Harguess" <dharguess@coastline.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:09 PM > >> By any chance would this map have anything about the Peedee River? > > Violet Guy wrote: ............... >> I believe that there was a discussion about this map sometime last >> winter. >> >> Violet Moore Guy >> 11/30/2004 > > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. > >

I am so interested that you have a picture of the grave marker of the Osborn family. I, too, am of the Osborn family. Mathew #1, Mathew #2,Samuel, Jesse, Charles, Cuthbert, and my Mother, Ora Asenath Osborn Hunt. The Hunts were from the same group of Quakers. Will the scanned picture be small enough to print?. I will cert ainly treasure it. Mary E Turner maryeturner@mindspring,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Land Harris" <alandmd@cox.net> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Land transactions In Rowan/Orange/Guilford/Randolph Counties in NC > Center Friends MM has a beautiful old cemetary there on a hill...especially > beautiful at sunrise...with my Mathew Osborn I & II and David & Lydia Davis > Osborn noted on a grave marker made out of the mill stones from their > family mill. I have photos taken recently there which I would be glad to > scan if any other Cousin Osborns are out there. > > Land Harris > > --- > Facinated by Family > > Brown, Harris, Hamner, Herndon, Hendley, Norris, Land, Clarke, Laughton, > Maynard, Nimmo, Reid, Peebles, Lucas, Webb, Hart, Williams, Wilson, Gregory, > Taylor,Tyler, Osborn, Terry, Pickett, Raiford, LeGrand, Micheaux, Turner, > Tucker, Linthicum, Sheppard, Leak, Vaughan, Rochette, Washington, Barham, > Bradley, Morris, Wrenn, Williamson, Gray, Davis, Blackburn, & Stovall to > name a few... > > ...primarily in Surry/Sussex/Isle of Wight Co. VA > AND Albemarle/Amherst/Nelson Co. VA > AS WELL AS Guilford/Richmond/Beaufort/Edgecomb Co. NC. > > > > ---------- > >From: LIANITI@aol.com > >To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [Q-R] Land transactions In Rowan/Orange/Guilford/Randolph Counties > in NC > >Date: Fri, Dec 3, 2004, 8:17 PM > > > > > That is the Center Friends area. Coltrane, Davis, Walton, Fentress, White, > > Gamble, Beeson, Hodgin, Hodson, Shelley, Gray, Marsh, Wall, Hocket and many > > more families. You might check the Centre Friends MM minutes and cemetery > > records. I live in the area and my family is deeply rooted here. > > > > Walk in the light, > > Sharon > > > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. > > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

I once was able to examine the Quaker wedding certificate of my “cousin” who married on 18 Jun 1907 in New England. Among the signatures was that of my mother who was born on 16 June 1906. Although my mother is bright and cheerful at 98, it is likely that someone else signed for her on that occasion. Betsy In a message dated 12/3/2004 7:26:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, jap@highstream.net writes: >A sometimes-used convention has been to place the names of the bride >and groom's parents at the top of the right-hand column followed by >other close family members in that column. > >I certainly find this to be true in my family. When my 3rd >great-grandmother remarried after the death of her first >husband—signing immediately after the bride and groom were the children >of the first marriages for both--with my 2nd great-grandmother signing >at the age of 12--so, yes, children were included. > >Joan

My granddaughter "signed" a wedding certificate at age 18 months - with her Mom adding a readable name in parentheses. I also own an 1800 certificate with an "X" for an adult then signed by someone else who could write. On my in-law's certificate, the kitchen help also signed. The six year old ring bearer also signed this one, but the five year old flower girl was done by her Mom. Anyone who attended and observed, even if standing in the back, was expected to sign as a witness in my understanding. You can often determine (very loosely) relationships by proximity, spouses signed next to each other, as did siblings. But sometimes it was just who was standing beside someone else when signing - the free-for-all mentioned! My husband's grandfather had a bit of an ego :-) and apparently did not go through one of the lines with his wife (not surprisingly) but did end up signing (apparently later) ABOVE her name and out of line with the other signatures. Fun to even see personalities appearing sometimes! Judy %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Judith Walter Heald jheald@pennswoods.net Spring Mills, PA 16875 Our roots include: Lots of Quakers from 1600's to present. . . Surnames: Barnard, Dickson, Ely, Heald, Hilaman, Hoopes, Kirk, Kline, Lippincott, Marshall, Mercer, Moore, Ogden, Paxson, Plankinton, Pownall, Pusey, Pyle, Rodgers, Sellers, Sharpless, Swayne, Taylor, Thompson, Walter, Watson, Way, Webb, Wickersham. . . PA Counties, Chester, Delaware, Lancaster, Bucks, Centre, Clearfield, Jefferson, Elk, . . . -----Original Message----- From: Charlie [mailto:cbeat@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:47 PM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Q-R] Quaker weddings I know that all (or some?) of the guests or witnesses at a Quaker wedding would sign as witnesses. Is it possible to deduce ANYTHING about the age of a witness? I believe the witness did not have to be an adult, but may I assume he/she was over some minimum age? six? ten? twelve? Did it vary with time or location? My problem is in Virginia around 1740 to 1760. Any advice? Charles

Can anyone point me to the names of the Irish Quakers who settled in Newton, NJ, in 1677?

In a message dated 12/3/2004 7:26:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, jap@highstream.net writes: A sometimes-used convention has been to place the names of the bride and groom's parents at the top of the right-hand column followed by other close family members in that column. I certainly find this to be true in my family. When my 3rd great-grandmother remarried after the death of her first husband--signing immediately after the bride and groom were the children of the first marriages for both--with my 2nd great-grandmother signing at the age of 12--so, yes, children were included. Joan

Hi, I know that a branch of the Adcock family changed their name to Emery, and it seems took the Adcock name to become their middle names. I think it was normal to do this as my Quaker Bull Family changed their surname to Talbert in 1805 and all born prior to 1805 are shown with the middle name of Bull. I do have 3 photos of David Adcock Emery and his wife Amanda Talbert I am sure the 3 photos were taken at the yearly quaker meetings . if tyey are your relatives and you want to have copies i am glad to share . Donna

That is the Center Friends area. Coltrane, Davis, Walton, Fentress, White, Gamble, Beeson, Hodgin, Hodson, Shelley, Gray, Marsh, Wall, Hocket and many more families. You might check the Centre Friends MM minutes and cemetery records. I live in the area and my family is deeply rooted here. Walk in the light, Sharon

Center Friends MM has a beautiful old cemetary there on a hill...especially beautiful at sunrise...with my Mathew Osborn I & II and David & Lydia Davis Osborn noted on a grave marker made out of the mill stones from their family mill. I have photos taken recently there which I would be glad to scan if any other Cousin Osborns are out there. Land Harris --- Facinated by Family Brown, Harris, Hamner, Herndon, Hendley, Norris, Land, Clarke, Laughton, Maynard, Nimmo, Reid, Peebles, Lucas, Webb, Hart, Williams, Wilson, Gregory, Taylor,Tyler, Osborn, Terry, Pickett, Raiford, LeGrand, Micheaux, Turner, Tucker, Linthicum, Sheppard, Leak, Vaughan, Rochette, Washington, Barham, Bradley, Morris, Wrenn, Williamson, Gray, Davis, Blackburn, & Stovall to name a few... ...primarily in Surry/Sussex/Isle of Wight Co. VA AND Albemarle/Amherst/Nelson Co. VA AS WELL AS Guilford/Richmond/Beaufort/Edgecomb Co. NC. ---------- >From: LIANITI@aol.com >To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Q-R] Land transactions In Rowan/Orange/Guilford/Randolph Counties in NC >Date: Fri, Dec 3, 2004, 8:17 PM > > That is the Center Friends area. Coltrane, Davis, Walton, Fentress, White, > Gamble, Beeson, Hodgin, Hodson, Shelley, Gray, Marsh, Wall, Hocket and many > more families. You might check the Centre Friends MM minutes and cemetery > records. I live in the area and my family is deeply rooted here. > > Walk in the light, > Sharon > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. >

This is proof of nothing, but on our marriage certificate, the overseers signed first on the left column, followed by my wife's and my parents. (I vaguely remember being told that was "the way.") Once the big-shots had signed, it was a free-for-all. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Palmer" <jap@highstream.net> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: RE: [Q-R] Quaker weddings > A sometimes-used convention has been to place the names of the bride and > groom's parents at the top of the right-hand column followed by other close > family members in that column. > > See The American Genealogist, Volume 72, Nos. 3-4 (July/October 1997), pp. > 225-243, "Quaker Marriage Certificates," by Stewart Baldwin for examples of > the usefulness of this evidence. > > Jeff Palmer - jap@highstream.net > * * * > Quote of the Week: "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to > one who is striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau > > -----Original Message----- > From: Zenith NG [mailto:zenithng@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:32 PM > To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [Q-R] Quaker weddings > > Im not sure about a minimum age, but I was told once that where the > witnesses signed on the document was determined by their relationship to the > bride and groom. I can't say that I have found much evidence of that. Any > comments? > > Gordon Trueblood > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie [mailto:cbeat@mindspring.com] > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:47 PM > To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Q-R] Quaker weddings > > I know that all (or some?) of the guests or witnesses at a Quaker wedding > would sign as witnesses. Is it possible to deduce ANYTHING about the age of > a witness? I believe the witness did not have to be an adult, but may I > assume he/she was over some minimum age? six? ten? twelve? Did it vary with > time or location? My problem is in Virginia around 1740 to 1760. > > Any advice? Charles > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.805 / Virus Database: 547 - Release Date: 12/3/04 > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Visit The Quaker Corner - http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers >

I am a descendant of the father of James Arthur McCanless who lived where hyw 220 and NC 62 now intersect in southern Guilford in 1900s and also the Beesons and Ballards. I have searched for McCandless families and Shirley families on census and Hughes map etc so many times that I feel I know the families who lived in that area. I hope to visit that area next summer. Do these names plus Reynolds, Coltraine, Elliot sound familiar to you. Rodema McCanless was named after Rodema Wright who was a minister Do you have other memories to share? LaRae Kinder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Hinshaw" <sethhinshaw@hotmail.com> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Land transactions In Rowan/Orange/Guilford/Randolph Counties in NC > Polecat Creek is a tributary of Deep River. It flows south from Greensboro, > west of > Pleasant Garden, just east of the Centre Meeting House, and flows into the > Deep > River east of Randleman. One of the major tributaries of Polecat Creek is > Little > Polecat Creek, which flows from just south of Climax, near Providence > Meeting > House, and into Polecat Creek just east of New Salem. > > My mother grew up on a farm which had an unnamed tributary of Polecat Creek > running across its western border. > > One other thing to keep in mind in tracing deeds along the border of > Guilford and > Randolph Counties is that a few decades ago Guilford County claimed that the > line had not been run correctly and paid for a new survey. As a result, the > line > was moved further north, giving Randolph County more land. The house where > my mother grew up was in Guilford County when it was constructed (1872) but > is > today just inside Randolph County. > > Another thing for researchers to remember in these deeds is that the > original > line separating Orange and Rowan Counties may be drawn. The southern > terminus of the boundary is the point where Moore and Montgomery Counties > touch the southern border of Randolph County. The Orange/Rowan line ran > due north from this point. This would place Providence very close to the > line. In practice, many of the earliest settlers did not know which county > they > lived in and sometimes filed their deeds in the wrong place. Hillsborough > was more > accessible than Salisbury, so some researchers believe that a few 1750s > settlers > along the line filed deeds in Hillsborough for this reason. > > >From: Thomas Hamm <tomh@earlham.edu> > >Reply-To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > >To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [Q-R] Land transactions In Rowan/Orange/Guilford/Randolph > >Counties in NC > >Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:27:26 -0500 > > > >You have the "genealogies" of Guilford and Randolph counties correct. > >Roughly, the eastern third of the two was part of Orange County before > >1770, and the western 2/3 was part of Rowan. What was known as the > >"Trading Path" ran basically east to west across the northern part of > >Randolph County. > > > >Tom Hamm

A sometimes-used convention has been to place the names of the bride and groom's parents at the top of the right-hand column followed by other close family members in that column. See The American Genealogist, Volume 72, Nos. 3-4 (July/October 1997), pp. 225-243, “Quaker Marriage Certificates,” by Stewart Baldwin for examples of the usefulness of this evidence. Jeff Palmer - jap@highstream.net * * * Quote of the Week: "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau -----Original Message----- From: Zenith NG [mailto:zenithng@sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:32 PM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Q-R] Quaker weddings Im not sure about a minimum age, but I was told once that where the witnesses signed on the document was determined by their relationship to the bride and groom. I can't say that I have found much evidence of that. Any comments? Gordon Trueblood -----Original Message----- From: Charlie [mailto:cbeat@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:47 PM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Q-R] Quaker weddings I know that all (or some?) of the guests or witnesses at a Quaker wedding would sign as witnesses. Is it possible to deduce ANYTHING about the age of a witness? I believe the witness did not have to be an adult, but may I assume he/she was over some minimum age? six? ten? twelve? Did it vary with time or location? My problem is in Virginia around 1740 to 1760. Any advice? Charles --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.805 / Virus Database: 547 - Release Date: 12/3/04

I'm not related to the Clayton's but enjoyed it all. Jerry M. ----- Original Message ----- From: PatCLARE@aol.com To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Quaker Ancestors - Claytons Use this link for the family of James Clayton of the ship Submission http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/9793/submis.htm ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Im not sure about a minimum age, but I was told once that where the witnesses signed on the document was determined by their relationship to the bride and groom. I can't say that I have found much evidence of that. Any comments? Gordon Trueblood -----Original Message----- From: Charlie [mailto:cbeat@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:47 PM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Q-R] Quaker weddings I know that all (or some?) of the guests or witnesses at a Quaker wedding would sign as witnesses. Is it possible to deduce ANYTHING about the age of a witness? I believe the witness did not have to be an adult, but may I assume he/she was over some minimum age? six? ten? twelve? Did it vary with time or location? My problem is in Virginia around 1740 to 1760. Any advice? Charles ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE.

Use this link for the family of James Clayton of the ship Submission http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/9793/submis.htm

In reply to my mailing dated December 02, 2004 pertaining to the ancestry of William Clayton and others, Dale Harguess, in a mailing of the same date, asks: Do you know anthing about a James Clayton that came over on the Submission with William Penn? Maybe he was a father to William? It appears that the father of William Clayton b. 1625 England d. 1689 PA was also named William Clayton. This William Clayton first married on 30 Oct 1631, Joan Smith, d. 6 Jan 1644/5, Boxgrove, County Sussex, England. William Clayton marries second, Elizabeth Simmons. The will of this William Clayton was dated 1 Feb, 1658/9 in Chichester, Sussex, England. ----- This data was taken from: Col. Charles Hansen, "The parentage of William Clayton, Quaker immigrant to Pennsylvania, a Correction," _The Genealogist_, vol 4 (1983) pp. 169-173.------ also, "William Clayton's parentage, an addition," _The Genealogist_, vol. 9 (1988), pp. 78-9. I don't know anything about the James Clayton who came over on the "Submission" with William Penn. - Herbert Standing.

I know that all (or some?) of the guests or witnesses at a Quaker wedding would sign as witnesses. Is it possible to deduce ANYTHING about the age of a witness? I believe the witness did not have to be an adult, but may I assume he/she was over some minimum age? six? ten? twelve? Did it vary with time or location? My problem is in Virginia around 1740 to 1760. Any advice? Charles

Wow, what a bunch of good information. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: PatCLARE@aol.com [mailto:PatCLARE@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:13 PM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Q-R] Quaker Ancestors - Claytons Use this link for the family of James Clayton of the ship Submission http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/9793/submis.htm ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl