Here's what the HELP DESK at Familytreemaker responded when I asked them your question. It looks like it might be possible to use their method. **************************** If you go into Family Tree Maker and select File >> Preferences. Under the Dates and measurements tab select your dates format to be DMY. Then you can simply type in 23/4/1776 whenever you enter a date. *********************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim and Jeannette Haynie" <haynie@iowatelecom.net> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: [Q-R] dates > I have FTM 11 and am trying to keep the dates as correct as possible and the program won't let me. Does anyone know how to do it with this program? I have the dates already written down long-hand in ink so there will copy of that but would like to incorporate the dating in my FTM as well. > Thanks for any help, it is appreciated! > Jeannette Watson Haynie > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Need assistance? Please contact:Quaker-Roots-L-Admin@RootsWeb.com > List Manager for Quaker-Roots-L and Quaker-Roots-D > Now with over 750 subscribers >

Ashmead's 1884 history of Delaware County is online. I did a search with the word Hoskins and came up with a number of entries. Might be helpful. http://delcohistory.org.master.com/texis/master/search/?s=SS&q=Hoskins Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harguess, Dale" <dharguess@coastline.edu> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: [Q-R] John Hoskins > I am trying to find anything I can about a John Hoskins who was born > 12-24-1699 in Delaware County, PA. His parents were John Hoskins II and > Ruth Atkinson. I would like to know the name of his spouse and children > if possible. I am also trying to find anything I can about his brother > George who was born 8-8-1703 also in Delaware County, PA. > > > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dale in California > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Thank you very much for the information, I have found what I need to know!

I have FTM 11 and am trying to keep the dates as correct as possible and the program won't let me. Does anyone know how to do it with this program? I have the dates already written down long-hand in ink so there will copy of that but would like to incorporate the dating in my FTM as well. Thanks for any help, it is appreciated! Jeannette Watson Haynie

I am trying to find anything I can about a John Hoskins who was born 12-24-1699 in Delaware County, PA. His parents were John Hoskins II and Ruth Atkinson. I would like to know the name of his spouse and children if possible. I am also trying to find anything I can about his brother George who was born 8-8-1703 also in Delaware County, PA. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dale in California

Both the Orthodox (larger body) and Hicksite Whitewater MMs have had their records microfilmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah and made available through Family History Centers in many local LDS buildings and microfilmed for the Indiana Historical Society with the assistance of the former Indiana genealogist Willard Heiss. My web site <www.QuakerMeetings.com> shows: The FUM/Orthodox body, now often called First Friends Meeting in Richmond, <http://www.quakermeetings.com/viewRecord_display?anID=TST2009L> reports: Where records are kept: EARLHAM mf LDS 367980-83, 1533227, 3699-3704. IND. H.S. F444 Records known extant: IYM ARCHIVES: MIN 1809-1843, 1845-1949, 1951-1952, WOMEN MIN 1809-1900, REMOVALS 1846-1905, BIRTH & DEATH TO 1858, 1867-1973, MEMB 1883-1920, MARRIAGES 1809-1852, 1911, REMOVALS 1823-1846, M&E 1822-1845, 1858-1900, 1905-1930, WHITEWATER PM WOMEN 1866-1905, MIN 1879-1888, 12TH ST. PM WOMEN 1878-1887, EAST MAIN ST. PM 1878-1914, WOMEN PM 1888-1900, BIRTHS & DEATHS FROM 1881, ORANGE PM MIN 1873-1891, WOMEN PM 1865-1882, SMYRNA WOMEN PM 1871-1890, PM 1853-1872, 1881-1891. The FGC/Hicksite meeting <http://www.quakermeetings.com/viewRecord_display?anID=TST2008L> is nearly dead but has records: Where records are kept: EARLHAM. WILMINGTON mf LDS 364704-08, 1455344-46, 1533704-05, 1704673-74. IND. H.S. F444 Records known extant: OVYM W.C. ARCHIVES: MIN 1921-1928, 1935-1948, MEMB 1850, MEMB & MARRIAGES 1829-1941, PM 1867-1880, M&E 1870-1924. EARLHAM ARCHIVES: MIN 1828-1920, 1928-1934, WOMEN MIN 1828-1897, MEMB 1883, 1914, REMOVALS 1829-1946, YOUNG FRIENDS MIN 1900-1908 Tom Thomas C. Hill 425 Walnut Street, Suite 1800 Cincinnati, OH 45202 U.S.A. e-mail: tomhill@nuvox.com www.quakermeetings.com -----Original Message----- From: Linda Humphrey Moore [mailto:dnlsmoore@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, 17 January 2005 8:44 PM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Q-R] Question re: Original Records I've used the Heiss/Hinshaw index to locate some information about my family, and now I'm attempting to track down the original records (minutes, etc.) pertaining to the Whitewater MM in Wayne County, Indiana. Normally, I can find those in the Family History Library catalog, but it doesn't look like they have copies of the actual records for the years I'm concerned with (1835-1840ish). Does anyone know where those records would be located and how they could be accessed? Thank you, Linda Humphrey Seattle, WA dnlsmoore@earthlink.net

Good day: Fr Wrightsborough Reference Descendents: Richard MOORE Marr Sarah (JENKINS) MOORE John MOORE Sarah MOORE Thomas MOORE Richard MOORE Jonas MOORE Abigail MOORE Prudence MOORE _ RYAN Mordecai MOORE, b 1727 James MOORE b. 1740 (1st) Thus: Mordecai MOORE b. 1727 Pa, m 1750, in Orange Co, NC, Mary LACKEY, (dau/oAlexander & Elizabeth (MAYNARD) Lackey, d. 1794 Warren Co, Ga, Mordecai died Sep 15, 1794 Warren Co, Ga. Go's to Alexander Lackey MOORE b 1760, Orange Co, NC marr 1781 Phebe EDWARDS b. Ga (Dau/o James & Jane (Evans) MOORE d. 1820 Wayne Co, In Alexander d. Mar 25, 1827 wayne Co, In. Children Mordecai MOORE, (I Think Yours), b Apr 2, 1791, Wrightsborough McDuffie Co, ga marr Nov 14, 1816 Elk Grove MM, West Elkton, Ohio, a Rachel STUBBS b. Oct 13, 1798, also Wrightsborough, Ga. Now fr that I have a MOORE line fr Harrison Co, Oh, go' to abt 1850 re James WILSON marr Margaret . (MOORE), b. 1847, Harrison Co, Ohio , so let Me dig a little further, and see where that line parts. Regards: The Sarge ""Honor and Courage"" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Violet O. Guy" <vmguy@gmpexpress.net> To: "'gary d wilson'" <thesarge578@adelphia.net> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: RE: [Q-R] Jacob Janney & Elizabeth Levis > Gary: > > Just wished I had done it earlier, also. I lived 15 years in Montgomery > County, PA; but then I only knew there was some relationship from the way > my > Daddy said the name of "MENDENHALL". As a child, we lived on the land of > his Grandmother, Elvira (Mendenhall) Moore, NC>IN>IA>OR, and we farmed the > MOORE Lands, that my father owned plus also what his father owned. My > husband & I would pass by Mendenhall, PA; and stop-over at Longwood > Gardens, > where I later learned Mendenhalls lived. > > Wrightsborough, Quaker Settlement is a favorite of mine. My James J. & > 2nd > wife, Hannah (THOMAS) MENDENHALL, PA>NC>GA, were there. Jamestown, > Guilford > County, NC, where my GGGrandmother Elvira (Mendenhall) Moore lived, until > her parents moved to Indiana -- her mother was a COFFIN, whose parents > had > come from Nantucket, MA, 1773. > > I get senior moments also! Which line or lines are you from? We are > looking for the parent's of James MOORE (we refer to him as James Sr.) > It is believed by some MOORE Researchers that he is from a Disowned > PA-Quaker MOORE Family, who traveled south with the Quakers. There were 2 > Quaker Moore families from Wrightsborough, GA Settlement, who lived on > next > BLM properties in both OH and IN to my MOOREs. I've been told to look for > a > disowned Mordecai Moore, possibly OH. I was in contact early on with > Sarah, > author of the Wrightsborough Settlement Website. > > James Moore (Sr.) land went to a WOODWARD in Ohio -- I need to check that > out to see if it was the Quaker Woodwards of PA, * where-ever. I believe > James Mendenhall's brother Aaron, Jr. married Mary Woodward. > > I get senior moments also! > > Violet Guy > 02/23/2004 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gary d wilson [mailto:thesarge578@adelphia.net] > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:41 AM > To: Violet O. Guy > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Jacob Janney & Elizabeth Levis > > Mrs Guy: > Sorry for Mix Up, I wasn't thinking right, or had a senior minute, for I > know the Stubb and Maddock, plus My other Surnames are Listed, I did a > check > > abt 11 1/2 yrs ago, when I first started, Genealogy, so My Mistake, I just > Wish I'd have done this before My Parents, and all Passed On, but that's > Life, and I take a Day at a Time. > > Regards: > The Sarge > ""Honor and Courage"" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Violet O. Guy" <vmguy@gmpexpress.net> > To: "'gary d wilson'" <thesarge578@adelphia.net> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:37 AM > Subject: RE: [Q-R] Jacob Janney & Elizabeth Levis > > >> Gary: >> >> It got away, so I'll start again! >> >> http://www.pennock.ws/ >> >> Pennocks of Primative Hall >> >> To suggest more family names, for >> http://www.pennock.ws/surnames/ >> write to smrash@pennock.ws, the webmaster. >> >> >> Violet Guy >> 01/20/3005 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gary d wilson [mailto:thesarge578@adelphia.net] >> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:21 AM >> To: Violet O. Guy >> Subject: Re: [Q-R] Jacob Janney & Elizabeth Levis >> >>> Good Morning: >>> You should include the STUBBS and >MADDOCKS Lines, I think they and >>> The >> >>> >Wrightsbrough Ga, Family Surnames should be in >Index. >> >>>Regard >>> The Sarge >> > ""Honor and Courage"" >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Violet O. Guy" <vmguy@gmpexpress.net> >> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:57 PM >> Subject: RE: [Q-R] Jacob Janney & Elizabeth Levis >> >> >>> David Brown: >>> >>> I knew the name, so checked Mendenhall Family Association and found a >>> few. >>> Then I did a SEARCH and found your people, which I have posted below. >>> Through it, I found one of my LOST "FAVORITES" -"Pennocks of Primative >>> Hall". Here is a good list of Allied Families (see why it was a >>> Favorite?)and I had met the webmaster at a Mendenhall Reunion in 1999. >>> >>> http://www.pennock.ws/links.html >>> In alphabetical order. >>> >>> >>> Balderston History >>> Broomhall Genealogy >>> Camp Family Web Site >>> GenConnect at Rootsweb >>> Hamilton Family Web Site >>> Heck of a Home Page >>> Maris Family Web Site >>> Mendenhall Family Web Site >>> Woodward Genealogy Home Page >>> Worrilow Family Web Site >>> Would you like your link here? E-mail smrash@pennock.ws. >>> >>> >>> http://www.pennock.ws/ >>> Pennocks of Primative Hall >>> >>> Jacob & Elizabeth (LEWIS) JANNEY's son Lesis JANNEY md. Mary PENNOCK, >>> >>> http://www.pennock.ws/surnames/fam/fam02105.html >>> >>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ----Husband: Jacob Janney >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- Born: 10 APR 1710 at: Chester Co., Pa. >>> Married: 4 JUL 1740 at: Kennett MM, Chester Co., Pa. >>> Died: 14 NOV 1782 at: Delaware >>> Father:Abel Janney >>> Mother:Elizabeth Stacy >>> Other Spouses: >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- Wife: Elizabeth Levis >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- Born: 30 AUG 1721 at: Chester Co., Pa. >>> Died: at: >>> Father:William Levis >>> Mother:Elizabeth Reed >>> Other Spouses: >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ----CHILDREN >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- Name: Levis Janney >>> Born: 13 AUG 1747 at: Fairfax Co., Virginia >>> Married: 1 AUG 1776 at: Old Swede's Church, Wilmington, Delaware >>> Died: 11 AUG 1811 at: Ridley Twp., Delaware Co., Pa. >>> Spouses: Mary Pennock >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- Name: William Janney >>> Born: at: >>> Married: at: >>> Died: at: >>> Spouses: >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- Name: Amos Janney >>> Born: at: >>> Married: at: >>> Died: at: >>> Spouses: >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- Name: Elizabeth Janney >>> Born: at: >>> Married: at: >>> Died: at: >>> Spouses: >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- Name: Abel Janney >>> Born: at: >>> Married: at: >>> Died: at: >>> Spouses: >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- Name: Sarah Janney >>> Born: at: >>> Married: at: >>> Died: at: >>> Spouses: >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>> >>> Violet Moore Guy >>> vmguy@gmpexpress.net >>> 01/09/2005 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DAVID BROWN [mailto:dbrown544@prodigy.net] >>> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 3:08 PM >>> To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [Q-R] Jacob Janney & Elizabeth Levis >>> >>> Does anyone have information regarding the children of Jacob Janney who >>> married Elizabeth Levis? Jacob Janney was the son of Abel Janney and >>> Elizabeth Stacy. >>> >>> The information I have shows Jacob Janney born in 1710 and died c. 1782 >>> possibly in Delaware. However, I cannot find anything on their >>> children. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >>> HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: >>> QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com >>> The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >>> Visit The Quaker Corner - http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >

I've used the Heiss/Hinshaw index to locate some information about my family, and now I'm attempting to track down the original records (minutes, etc.) pertaining to the Whitewater MM in Wayne County, Indiana. Normally, I can find those in the Family History Library catalog, but it doesn't look like they have copies of the actual records for the years I'm concerned with (1835-1840ish). Does anyone know where those records would be located and how they could be accessed? Thank you, Linda Humphrey Seattle, WA dnlsmoore@earthlink.net

Would like to request a lookup if anybody has the above minutes. Searching for the marriage of Jacob Serrill to Emma Mason and then to a Mary P (possibly Pearson) which occurred before 1850. He first married Rebecca Mason in Burlington, NJ about 1834. Then supposedly to her sister Emma, by 1850 his wife was listed as Mary P and they were living in Philadelphia within the bounds of the Spruce Street meeting. Thanks for any assistance Merry Anne

Joan Benton wrote: <snip> >Apparently a George Whiteside/Whitsitt who was thought to be born ~ 1665 in >Grange of Charlemont, County Armagh, Ulster Province, Ireland, died Oct 1736 >in Chester Co., PA. He was believed to have arrived in the port of New >Castle, DE in 1693 and settled in Chester Co., PA. He married Rebecca ______ >,probably in Chester Co; had a brother named Thomas Bullock Whitsitt. > >I would appreciate any input about this family's Quaker roots. I don't know about the Irish or Quaker ancestry of the Whitesides; but the surname was native to the Cockermouth area in Cumberland in the early seventeenth century. So your ancestors could easily have come from there. Chris

Hi.... I originally joined this group when I learned that my Wright and Mills ancestors were Quakers......... Now someone tells me that some of my Whitsett ancestors were Quakers, too. This is about all I know from a relative's e-mail: IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS INTO PENNSYLVANIA, 1682-1750 WITH THEIR EARLY HISTORY IN IRELAND Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1969 1695 - William Whitesitt Mentioned, Ulster Province Meeting, 27 Jul 1695 at Charlemont (County Armagh). 1696 - William Whiteside and Mary Calvert married (27 Mar) by friends ceremony at the house of Thomas Calvert near Carreckfergus (County Antrim). 1701 Susanna Whitsite, of Grange meeting near Charlemont ( County Armagh) married James Moore of Ballymoney meeting 24 Oct. 1702 William Whitsitt of Charlemont mention Ulster Province meeting, 30 Mar. 1703 William Whitsitt of Charlemont listed, Ulster Province meeting, 1 Mar. John Whitsitte of Grange near Charlemont and Ruth Robson of Lurgan ( County Armagh) meeting 11 Jun. 1732 William Whitsitt of Dreemore manor of Dangannon (County Tyrone, near Charlemont) Will Probated: Willmentions only child Catherine, wife of William Richardson; his wife Mary Calvert Whitsitt (see 1696 above); relatives Thomas Greeves, James Pillar, Joseph Calvert. 1734 John Whitsite, signer to marriage of Henry Haydock and Mary Bullogh (See George Whitsitt Will, Penn., Notes 1736) at Charlemont meeting house (County Armagh) 3 Mar. 1736 John Whitsitt, monthly meeting held at Grange near Charlemont, 2 Apr; signer of certiificate of Joshua Marsh and wife, and John marsh and wife who wished to remove to Pennsylvania. 1737 William Whitsitt and William Whitsitt, signers on the marriage certificate for William Moore and Mary Gregg at Toberhead, 14 Apr. ************************************************ That is the end of the quote.......... I have no question about the above.......... what I want to know is whether or not there are records of any Whitsett/Whitsitt/Whitesite/Whiteside in the records of Quakers in the U.S. (Some relatives go on to surmise that certain relatives descended from these Irish Quakers......... that is the part I question.) If I could learn about listings of any Whitsett (of any of these spellings) in U. S. Quaker records that would help me a lot. Apparently a George Whiteside/Whitsitt who was thought to be born ~ 1665 in Grange of Charlemont, County Armagh, Ulster Province, Ireland, died Oct 1736 in Chester Co., PA. He was believed to have arrived in the port of New Castle, DE in 1693 and settled in Chester Co., PA. He married Rebecca ______ ,probably in Chester Co; had a brother named Thomas Bullock Whitsitt. I would appreciate any input about this family's Quaker roots. Thanks. Joan (Whitsett) Benton

I've just noticed that the National Archives here in the UK has a page that gives some facts and figures (if not on Quaker dates!) that some of you may find useful. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/quick_reference.htm Chris

On Sunday, May 22, 2005, Longwood Progressive Friends will be celebrating their 150th anniversary. The Kennett Underground Railroad Center, Longwood Gardens, Western Quarter of Philadelphia Yearly Meeting, and the Chester County Convention and Visitors Bureau are working together to plan a commemorative event. The official program should be from about 2 pm to 3:30, but with the Longwood Friends Burial Ground adjacent, one can no doubt make a day of it (or a weekend - or a week!) From 1855 to 1940, the Longwood Meetinghouse was the site, not only of Quaker Meeting, but of abolitionists and women's rights advocates. Lucretia Mott, William Lloyd Garrison, Sojourner Truth, Robert Purvis and many others met there. I am not the person in charge - just spreading the word - and will add information here as I learn of more details. Maybe some of us can actually MEET each other there :-) Judy %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Judith Walter Heald jheald@pennswoods.net Spring Mills, PA 16875 Our roots include: Lots of Quakers from 1600's to present. . . Surnames: Barnard, Dickson, Ely, Heald, Hilaman, Hoopes, Kirk, Kline, Lippincott, Marshall, Mercer, Moore, Ogden, Paxson, Plankinton, Pownall, Pusey, Pyle, Rodgers, Sellers, Sharpless, Swayne, Taylor, Thompson, Walter, Watson, Way, Webb, Wickersham. . . PA Counties, Chester, Delaware, Lancaster, Bucks, Centre, Clearfield, Jefferson, Elk, . . .

I was reviewing some old email when I discovered this. I am descended from A Jacob Thomas born abt 1740 or so in PA and would like to see the pedigree sheet you have on this Thomas family. My Jacob could have been from the Peter Thomas family but not sure. My Thomas family came to Jefferson Tn about 1790 help thanks Earl Leon Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Ardine" <downeast@concentric.net> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Jacob Thomas of PA and TN > I have a pedigree chart prepared by W B Broomall in 1904 with the > descendents of Isaac and Mary (nee Townsend) THOMAS thru their son, > Townsend THOMAS of Willistown twp, then Chichester, Delaware cnty, PA who > was b: 04 Jun 1760, d: 28 Mar 1846, md: Beulah EYRE 20 Nov 1806 at > Chichester (PA) meeting. > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Hi all If I may. I have for over 20 years been reading about the date problem. Really there isn't one. One of the wise people I have ever know, gave me some advice when I started with my Quaker roots. Cheska said "Record the dates as you find them. Don't change them, and don't transform them. They where right when they where record." In other words what she meant was, when the date was written down, either before 1752 or after, the date was correct for when it was written. Most of the genealogy programs allow you record the dates as a number, so use this options and when it is printed, there will be no correction. The research I am doing now, in Ireland is yielding dates such as "The child was born 5 days past the 1st Sabbath 2 yelds ago 1401" I just wrote it in the memo field. I have to tell you, if I spent time trying to figure out all of them, I would still be on the same person... The point is, sometimes it is better to record the information as is and continue working. Your cuz in time Glee

Quakers do NOT have a different dating system. Joyce, They do use a different dating system A date such as August 19, 1748 will never be found. Rather it would be written as "19th da 6th mo 1748." Sometimes this will be written as 6mo 19da 1748. Yes it the same calender but read how they write the dates you will think it different. Why 6th month since August is the 8th month? The Quakers, along with everyone else in the American Colonies and England, did not begin using the Gregorian calendar until 1752. Under the Julian calendar the year began on March 25th; March was the first month and February was the twelfth month. This is something of a problem when an event occurred in the months of January, February or up to March 25th, for then the date is given as 1748/1749. Such a dating practice satisfied everyone, including civil authorities, if for instance an inheritance was being established. http://www.illuminatrix.com/andria/quaker.html This site that Marla, helps all of us to understand it better Janet -----Original Message----- From: Jeobowman@cs.com [mailto:Jeobowman@cs.com] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 4:42 PM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Q-R] Quaker dates In a message dated 1/10/2005 4:56:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, haynie@iowatelecom.net writes: > I know that the Quakers have a different dating system than our calendar > and I have a hard time understanding it. Is there someone who can explain in > plain English how to decipher dates to our calendar? Quakers do NOT have a different dating system. They use the same calendar that everyone else uses, but traditionally preferred not to use the "pagan" names of the months and days of the week. Instead they called the months--1st month, 2nd month, 3rd month, etc.---and the days of the week 1st day (Sunday), 2nd day, 3rd day, etc.. This creates no problem back to 1752 when the change was made from the Julian calendar to the present-day Gregorian calendar. Before 1752 the year started not on Jan 1, but on March 25. So in the old style calendar, 1st month is not January, but March; 2nd month is April, and 3rd month is May, etc. There are some other nuances to understanding this calendar conversion,--(both for Quakers & non-Quakers) but that is the basic premise. The best thing to do is to record the date as it is found (e.g. 2nd 8mo 1732) , which not only is the accurate date, but also gives the additional info about your ancestor, that he was a Quaker. If you feel compelled to convert them, be sure and do it accurately--and for dates of the 1700's, indicate whether the date are OS (old-style) or NS (new-style). Joyce Joyce Overman Bowman Indianapolis, IN ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 1/6/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005

Yesterday we were at the Bush River Quaker Cemetery in Newberry SC and found this actual transcription: NEMIAH THOMAS was born the 10 of the 9 month 1740 old stile and decest 31 of the 5 month in the year 179_ Judy Russell Bogart GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jeobowman@cs.com> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Quaker dates > In a message dated 1/10/2005 4:56:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, > haynie@iowatelecom.net writes: > > I know that the Quakers have a different dating system than our calendar > > and I have a hard time understanding it. Is there someone who can explain in > > plain English how to decipher dates to our calendar? > > Quakers do NOT have a different dating system. They use the same calendar > that everyone else uses, but traditionally preferred not to use the "pagan" > names of the months and days of the week. Instead they called the months--1st > month, 2nd month, 3rd month, etc.---and the days of the week 1st day (Sunday), > 2nd day, 3rd day, etc.. This creates no problem back to 1752 when the change > was made from the Julian calendar to the present-day Gregorian calendar. > Before 1752 the year started not on Jan 1, but on March 25. So in the old style > calendar, 1st month is not January, but March; 2nd month is April, and 3rd month > is May, etc. > > There are some other nuances to understanding this calendar > conversion,--(both for Quakers & non-Quakers) but that is the basic premise. The best thing > to do is to record the date as it is found (e.g. 2nd 8mo 1732) , which not only > is the accurate date, but also gives the additional info about your ancestor, > that he was a Quaker. If you feel compelled to convert them, be sure and do > it accurately--and for dates of the 1700's, indicate whether the date are OS > (old-style) or NS (new-style). > > Joyce > > Joyce Overman Bowman > Indianapolis, IN > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. > >

This is in reply to a mailing dated 01/09/2005 from Suzanne Wade. She is a descendant of Isaac DeCou and Susanna Ashton who were early settlers in the Pennsylvania area in the time of William Penn. She is seeking more information about the early settlement of this family and more information concerning their descendants. In 1964 I was employed as Meeting Secretary of Wilmington Monthly Meeting of Friends, centered in Wilmington, Delaware. During the five years of my employment there, and for the sixteen years that I continued to live in the Philadelphia area, I spent some of my spare time in compiling a record of early members of Friends in northern Delaware, based on Quaker records and other civil and miscellaneous records. In the course of this research, I encountered some account of the Ashton and DeCou families who were among the first members of the Georges Creek Friends Meeting, located near the present town of St. Georges near the eastern terminus of the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal in southern New Castle County, Delaware. Georges Creek Meeting was probably formed about 1686-1687. It first maintained some contact with the Newark Monthly Meeting of Friends which had been established ca. 1686. Newark MM first included the New Castle Friends Meeting at New Castle, DE and the Newark Friends Meeting in Brandywine Hundred in northeastern New Castle County, DE. About 1705 a new Monthly Meeting was established called Duck Creek Monthly Meeting, centered in what is now Smyrna, DE. Friends of Georges Creek Meeting decided to transfer their membership to Duck Creek MM about 1706. Georges Creek Meeting declined in the later 1700's and there probably is no physical evidence now of a meetinghouse in the vicinity of St. Georges. Leurin and Jacquimine des Cou were French Huguenots who escaped from France at about the time of the siege of the City of La Rochelle in 1627-1628. They settled in the area of the drainage project of Hatfield Chase in Yorkshire, England. Isaac DeCou and his brothers Jacob and Abraham and his sister Jane became members of the Society of Friends.----- On 2 mo. 2, 1686 Isaac DeCou and Jacob De Cou were granted certificates by York Monthly Meeting of Friends prior to their voyage to Pennsylvaniia in America. It appears that the two brothers and their families made the voyage on the Ship the _Shields of Stockton_, which landed at New Castle, Delaware in 5th Month, 1686 (O.S.). Isaac's son John remained in England. Isaac and Jacob DeCou, in partnership with Robert Ashton and Richard Darkin, purchased a tract of land called Chelsey on the south side of St. George's Creek, below New Castle. Isaac's son, Jacob, sold Isaac's share to Robert Ashton on December 1, 1691. ---- Following the death of the father, Isaac DeCou, his widow and children seem to have relocated in the area of Burlington, New Jersey. Isaac DeCou died 13th of ye 12 mth and was buried ye l5th, 1686/87. He 1/married 3 mo. 12, 1667 at Settle MM, Yorkshire England Susanna Ashton of Ealand, Yorkshire, sister of Robert Ashton Children of Isaac and Susanna: Jacob DeCou b. 7 mo. 2, 1668, d. 12 mo. 1735, m. 10 mo. 21, 1699 Elizabeth Powell Newbold. John DeCou, b. 9 mo. 25, 1671, d. 10 mo. 31, 1721 at Thron, Yorkshire, unmarried. Isaac DeCou b. 10 mo. 6, 1673, d. 1755 1/m. 9-27-1695 Rachel Newby 2/m 2 mo. 25, 1705 Anna Davenport 3/m 3mo. 3, 1742 Martha Newberry Davenport Elizabeth DeCou b. 8 mo. 25, 1675 m. 4 mo. 5, 1695 Richard Dell Emmanuel DeCou b. 5 mo. 19, 1678, d. 10 mo. 27, 1682 at Drax, Yorkshire, England. Isaac De Cou m/2 6 mo. 24, 1680 Rebecca Whitten b. 1654, d. 7 mo. 29, 1705 Child: Susannah De Cou b. 2 mo. 16, 1682, m 2 mo. 25, 1705, Ambrose Field. Rebecca (Whitten) De Cou m/ 2 8 mo. 12, 1692 Frances Davenport, Sr. Children: Isaac Davenport b. 5 mo. 14, 1693 Rebecca Davenport b. 1696 m. Josiah Kay Jacob De Cou, son of Leurin and Jacquimine De Cou d.. 2 mo. 7, 1688 (or 9 mo. 7, 1688) m. 1 mo. 10, 1677 at the house of Christopher Edwards, Selby, Yorkshire, Eng. Hannah Marshall Children: Isaac DeCou d. 7 mo. 16, 1686 Abraham DeCou d. 1700/1701, buried 1 mo. 8, 1700/01 Hannah DeCou m. 4 mo.28, 1700 Thomas England Hannah (Marshall) DeCou m/2 in 1 mo. 1689, Edward Blake. __________ I have probably taken most of this data from: _The Genealogy of the DeCou Family_, compiled by S. Ella DeCou and John Allen DeCou, 1910 _Descendants and Ancestors of George DeCou and Margaret Daniels DeCou_, compiled by Frances Branson DeCou, 1970. I know little concerning the Duncan, Bloom, and Powell families. I know that the Newbold name has been prominent in Quaker genealogy for many generations in the Delaware Valley area. I know that there are a number of DeCou family descendants who are active members of the Society of Friends today. Perhaps there are some who are subscibers to the Quaker-Roots website. If Suzanne Wade does not contact any of her American DeCou cousins, perhaps I can put her in contact with someone who has more family information than is available to me. - Herbert Standing, Earlham, Iowa.

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Joyce Overman Bowman wrote: <snip> >Before 1752 the year started not on Jan 1, but on March 25. <snip> Just a slight clarification. The year from January to December always existed, but it was common in parish registers to use a year beginning on March 25. You quite often see a change over to the latter in the sixteenth century - the parish register that I'm using at the moment, for instance, starts in 1542 with a January-December year, but changes over to a March-March year in 1570/1. The parish next door made the same change with a new rector in 1596. Probate records also started the year in March. Chris