I forgot to memtion a Quaker Settlement, which was known as Monoquessey/Monocacy; and it is in Frederick County, Maryland. I shall add the URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers/monocacy.htm The Quakers at "Monoquesey" Excerpts from "Pioneers of Old Monocacy: The Early Settlement of Frederick Co., Maryland 1721-1743 by Grace L. Tracey and John P. Dern, Genealogical Publishing Co., 1987 (This is near Pennsylvania, so is far north of the CALVERT Colony in St. Mary's County, MD.) Violet Moore Guy 01/26/2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Violet O. Guy" <vmguy@gmpexpress.net> To: "Lilly" <malik@scs-net.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Maryland to Salem, Ohio > Lily: > > Hello, again! > > It is pretty miserable weather here in St. Mary's County, Maryland this > week -- we have snow followed by a drizzle, so the children just returned > to school today, Wednesday. > > Yes, it is possible that she received help from the Quakers. The ship, > The Arc & the Dove", brought the Catholic CALVERTs as Maryland's first > colony in 1634 and setltled in what was then the greater St. Mary's > County. In my studies, over a 4-year period, of this Colony, I have > learned that people sometimes used an alias name. ( Lord Calvert's > Overseers were John & Henry Darnall; and I descend from some of their > DARNALL kinfolk, that came over as Indentured Servants.). > > http://www.mdgenweb.org/feudal.htm > About the Feudal Estate That Was Early Maryland > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdstmary/ > St. Mary's County, Maryland > > Keep in Touch! > > Violet Moore Guy > vmguy@gmpexpress.net > 01/26/2005 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lilly" <malik@scs-net.org> > To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:22 AM > Subject: [Q-R] Maryland to Salem, Ohio > > >>I recently read that Quakers were often sought out to care for orphans, >>because of their honesty and morals. >> >> My ancestor was either orphaned or abandoned. James W. Leach was born >> about 1802-4 in Maryland. He lived a very long life and died in 1888 in >> Salem, Ohio. >> I have all his census records, his marriage, his children, everything >> about his adult life, but his parents are a mystery. >> >> In a History book about Salem, OH , which was a place famous as being >> settled by Quakers, my ancestor gave a first person account of how the >> city looked in the fall of 1809, as he passed through with his 'guardian' >> Joseph Wright, on their way to visit John Spencer. >> >> In another History book, my ancestor James W. Leach states he was brought >> up in the household of Joseph Wright on the Old Lisbon Road (that is just >> outside Salem, OH). >> >> I have found that there was indeed a Joseph Wright who was Quaker of >> Bedford Co VA, who did indeed arrive about 1803 in Salem, OH. He also >> had a son named Joseph Wright, who left the faith for marrying out. >> Both Father and Son did settle in Salem, OH. >> >> There is plenty of information about the Wright family, but the >> researchers have not been able to determine any relationship whatsoever >> between the Foster father Joseph Wright and my ancestor James W. Leach of >> Maryland. >> >> The only clue I have, is that James W. Leach stated on several census >> records that his mother was born in IRELAND. He never stated any >> information about his father's birthplace. Either he just had no idea >> where he was born, or he actually did not KNOW who his father was. If >> that is the case, then he was an illegitament child, and that could >> explain why he was abandonded. >> >> Here is my Question: is there anyone reading this, that has knowledge of >> a Quaker family, from Maryland, named LEECH-LEACH-LEITCH, who would have >> moved to Salem, OH prior to 1809? This exact time frame, would be the >> time that the very FIRST settlers would be arriving. (I have identified >> the Quaker family named Leech who did arrive in Salem, OH from PA, and >> they are NOT related in any way to my ancestor.) >> >> The possible scenerio is: a Quaker couple in Maryland, decide to move to >> Salem, OH along with others. They have a small baby son about 1802-4 in >> Maryland, between the time of the birth and 1809 they do arrive in Salem, >> OH among the first settlers, and then either they die, or abandonment >> takes place, and the small boy named James W. Leach is raised by kind >> strangers, who are not related to him. >> >> I have also thought of a possible scenerio, of an Irish born Quaker >> female, who gives birth in Maryland, unmarried, then arrives in Salem, OH >> and abandons the baby there. In this case, the surname of LEACH would >> come from the Irish mother, and the father would remain unknown. >> >> I have been collecting data on this James W. Leach for 3 yrs and really >> understand him well, but I may never be able to connect him to any Leach >> family in Maryland, unless some other researcher might have some missing >> info, or some clues to throw my way. >> >> May I kindly request assistance from anyone having Maryland information, >> and especially Quakers of Maryland, with the name of Leach, and spelling >> form. >> Best regards, >> Lilly Martin >> >> >> ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Visit The Quaker Corner - http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers >> >> >

Recent posts concerning adoptions in the Quaker community prompt me to post this query. My great grandmother, Florence A. Beeson, (born 1874, in Indiana or Ohio, died in the mid-1930s in Kansas City, MO) who married Thomas Jay Cook of Carmel, Indiana, was adopted when she was under the age of four or five by Silas Beeson and Sarah Roberts Beeson. The Beesons raised or adopted at least three other children at various times: Luther A. Johnson, who later took the name Beeson, Mary Iske or Ishe, and Orpha Beeson. Florence first appears in the 1880 census at age 6, living with the Beesons and Orpha in Liberty Twp, Hendricks County, IN. She has the surname Beeson and is listed as "daughter" (as is Orpha). A photocopy of a letter now in the Earlham Quaker Collection, written in 1904 by her husband, Thomas Cook, mentions that she had lived for a time in an orphanage in Richmond. The orphanage was turned into a boarding house or rental property by 1904 and the four T. J. Cooks were now living in an apartment there. A handwritten family tree of one branch of the Quaker Cook family lists Florence's actual surname as "Irwin" or "Irvin." Other than that I know nothing about her origins. If anyone knows a likely "Irwin" or "Irvin" who may have left an orphan daughter around 1874-1879, or if anyone knows of a list of orphans living in a Richmond orphanage (there were several) between 1874-1879, would you kindly post here? Any leads appreciated. Tom Miller (Thomas Cook Miller)

Sarah was born "in England" on 23 Jan 1801, and died 22 Nov 1882 in Salem, Columbiana, OH she was married to Enos Eldridge, born 22 Jun 1799, born either in New Jersey (probably Burlington County) or in Lower Darby Twp, PA; he died 7 May 1871 in Salem, Columbiana, OH the assumption is that they married either in New Jersey or in Pennsylvania, but we haven't found any records yet; they may also have married somewhere in England; their first child was born in 1827 so presumably it would be before that ! Enos b. 1799 was son of Enos Eldridge 1764-1810 and Agnes/Agnus Morgan b. about 1767 both of them born in New Jersey ... I have incomplete information on the children of Enos and Agnes (Morgan) Eldridge, though I believe they are: Rebecca, Ann, Agnes, Enos, Deborah, Griffith, and Joseph the children of Enos Eldridge b. 1799 (the son) and Sarah (surname unknown) are: David, Griffith Morgan, George, Joseph, Benjamin, Lucy Ann, Alfred, Caroline, and Amos the family background is Quaker, but I haven't been able to find records on many of them, nor have at least two other distant cousins also working on this lineage does anyone have information, or clues, for Sarah, who was probably a Quaker, born in England ? and/or the other children of Enos and Agnes (Morgan) Eldridge (surname may be spelled Elrige at times, or other variants) Enos Eldridge b. 1764 was son of William Eldridge 1738-1816 and Deborah Malander 1742-1807, if that helps ... Agnes Morgan was daughter of Griffith Morgan b. 1742 and Rebecca Clement b. 1743 always love to have more information, and to correct any mistakes I make along the way Candy

John Ruse wrote: >I am an attender at Chesterfield Meeting, and have been asked by the >Children's meeting to find out more about the BINNS family of Clay >Cross. > >I have found the following from: >http://www.binns.dircon.co.uk/binnsnl17.html > >Charles Binns (1813-1887) was a member of the Liverpool Branch of the >Quaker Binns (with a seventeenth century origin at Clough Hey on the >moors west of Keighley). His grandfather Jonathan II (1747-1818] >practised medicine in Liverpool from 1781-1794, then became Supervisor >of Ackworth [Quaker] School in Yorkshire until 1804. Retiring to >Lancaster, he died there in 1812 and is buried in the yard of the >Friends' Meeting House. <snip> >I wonder if anyone can give me any more information on this family? If you search for 'Binns' on A2A you'll get some further info. http://www.a2a.org.uk/ The Lancashire Quaker catalogues have some hints. There is, for instance, a mention of a 1796 letter from John Binns concerning the future of 'Peggy', a pupil at Ackworth School, and further admissions of girls. You could email the record office and arrange for them to send you a photocopy or maybe even an email attachment of one or two of the documents? Chris

Hi, I'm looking for Dills. Peter was born sometime in the 1770s--father probably was Johan Dill/Diehl. Peter married Phebe Brown, a Quaker woman, about 1796, probably in Wrightsborough area. The Browns were members of the Wrightsborough meeting. I'm not altogether sure if the Dills were Quaker. Christina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I recently read that Quakers were often sought out to care for orphans, because of their honesty and morals. My ancestor was either orphaned or abandoned. James W. Leach was born about 1802-4 in Maryland. He lived a very long life and died in 1888 in Salem, Ohio. I have all his census records, his marriage, his children, everything about his adult life, but his parents are a mystery. In a History book about Salem, OH , which was a place famous as being settled by Quakers, my ancestor gave a first person account of how the city looked in the fall of 1809, as he passed through with his 'guardian' Joseph Wright, on their way to visit John Spencer. In another History book, my ancestor James W. Leach states he was brought up in the household of Joseph Wright on the Old Lisbon Road (that is just outside Salem, OH). I have found that there was indeed a Joseph Wright who was Quaker of Bedford Co VA, who did indeed arrive about 1803 in Salem, OH. He also had a son named Joseph Wright, who left the faith for marrying out. Both Father and Son did settle in Salem, OH. There is plenty of information about the Wright family, but the researchers have not been able to determine any relationship whatsoever between the Foster father Joseph Wright and my ancestor James W. Leach of Maryland. The only clue I have, is that James W. Leach stated on several census records that his mother was born in IRELAND. He never stated any information about his father's birthplace. Either he just had no idea where he was born, or he actually did not KNOW who his father was. If that is the case, then he was an illegitament child, and that could explain why he was abandonded. Here is my Question: is there anyone reading this, that has knowledge of a Quaker family, from Maryland, named LEECH-LEACH-LEITCH, who would have moved to Salem, OH prior to 1809? This exact time frame, would be the time that the very FIRST settlers would be arriving. (I have identified the Quaker family named Leech who did arrive in Salem, OH from PA, and they are NOT related in any way to my ancestor.) The possible scenerio is: a Quaker couple in Maryland, decide to move to Salem, OH along with others. They have a small baby son about 1802-4 in Maryland, between the time of the birth and 1809 they do arrive in Salem, OH among the first settlers, and then either they die, or abandonment takes place, and the small boy named James W. Leach is raised by kind strangers, who are not related to him. I have also thought of a possible scenerio, of an Irish born Quaker female, who gives birth in Maryland, unmarried, then arrives in Salem, OH and abandons the baby there. In this case, the surname of LEACH would come from the Irish mother, and the father would remain unknown. I have been collecting data on this James W. Leach for 3 yrs and really understand him well, but I may never be able to connect him to any Leach family in Maryland, unless some other researcher might have some missing info, or some clues to throw my way. May I kindly request assistance from anyone having Maryland information, and especially Quakers of Maryland, with the name of Leach, and spelling form. Best regards, Lilly Martin

Violet, I am looking for information on Jonathan Sell and family. He and his wife, Sarah, had nine children........one of whom, Deborah Sell Scott, was my gggg grandmother. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Linda

Hi List I cannot identify these families. Can you? 1. Alva Anderson Lamb Alva Anderson Lamb, son of Josiah Lamb, Sr. and "Granny Pennington,” North Carolina, or Alabama, married to Jane Graham, who was born about 1807 in North Carolina, the daughter of Jesse Graham, Sr. and Mary ___. Both died in Lebanon, LaClede, Missouri. Chn:*1. Josiah Lamb III, born 1827/8, Surry, NC, or Jackson, Alabama 2. Mary Lamb, born 1829, Princeton, Jackson Co., Alabama; married David Bingman 3. John Isbell Lamb, b 6 Dec 1830, Princeton, Ala; d 30 Dec 1849; m 2 October 1927, to Ann Eliza O'Keefe 4. Elizabeth Lamb, born 1833, Princeton, Alabama 5. Jane Lamb, born 1835, Princeton, Alabama 6. Lucinda Lamb, born 1837, Bedford Co., Tennessee 7. James Lamb, born 1839, Bedford, Tennessee 8. Sarah Lamb, born 29 January 1941, Bedford, Tennessee; married Washington Rogers 9. Vinetta Lamb, born 1844, Bedford, Tennessee; married ___ Rogers 10. Harriet Lamb, born 1849, Iowa 11. Josiah Lamb Josiah Lamb, son of Alva Anderson Lamb and Jane Graham, was born about 1827/8 in Surry Co., North Carolina, or in Jackson Co., Alabama. He was married probably in Bedford Co., Tennessee, to Sarah Elizabeth Blackwell, daughter of Peter Blackwell. Chn: 1. Margaret Lamb, born 5 October 1853, La Clede Co., Missouri m/1 Sam Henry Batteas; m/2 Jack Marler *2. Mary Elizabeth Lamb, born 12 December 1856, La Clede Co., MO 3. Peter Silvester lamb, born 18 October 1861 4. Sarah Rebecca Lamb, born 5 August 1863 5. Alva Anderson Lamb, born 25 December 1865 6. Walter C. Lamb, 112. Mary Elizabeth Lamb Mary Elizabeth Lamb, daughter of Josiah Lamb and Sarah Elizabeth Blackwell, was born 12 December 1856, in La Clede County, MO, and died 5 December 1949, in Trousdale, Pottawatomie County, Oklahoma, and buried in Wannette, Oklahoma. She was married 27 January 1873, to William Walker Carroll Paine, who was born 25 April 1843, in Illinois, the son of Murrell Paine and Margaret Derrick He died 17 December 1899, in Norman, Clereland Co., Oklahoma, and was buried in Wannette. They belonged to the Missionary Baptist Church. Chn: 1. Louisa M Paine, born 13 December 1873, Proctor, Comanche Co., Texas; m Joe P Davidson 2. Willie Paine, born 23 August 1876, Proctor, Texas 3. Ida F Paine, born 25 September 1878, Proctor, Texas 4. Norman W. Paine, b 21 Dec 1880, Proctor, T; d 13 Jan 1952 Norman, OK m 4 June 1904, to Lily Jones 5. Alice Paine, born 1 Feb 1880, Proctor, Texas; married Jody Smith 6. Murrell Paine, born 27 January 1886, Proctor, Texas 7. Ollie Paine, born 19 March 1888, Proctor, Tex; married Walter Young 8. Lahoma Paine, born 1 Oct 1893, Trousdale, Okla; married Kirby Stone 9. Ursa Paine, born 25 Mar 1896, Trousdale, Okla; married James Downing 10. Temple Paine, born 19 May 1898, Trousdale, Oklahoma ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------- 1. Ira H. Lamb Ira H. Lamb was born ca 1811, in North Carolina; died ca 1873, in Phillips County, Arkansas, He was married 24 April 1845, in Phillips Co., to Caroline Davidson, who was born ca 1820, in Mississippi, died 15 December 1862, the daughter of Richard and Isabella Davidson. Richard Davidson was born about 1785 in Kentucky, died 9 January 1856, Phillips County, and buried in Lamb Cemetery. (another child of Richard and Isabella is: Samuel Fry Davidson, born about 1814, Mississippi) Chn: 1. Mary Lamb, born ca 1849, AR 2. Isabella Lamb, born ca 1848, AR *3. Richard Davidson Lamb, born ca 1950, AR 4. Ira Lamb, Jr., b ca 1855, AR, lst hus of Julia Hough 5. Caroline Lamb, Jr., born 1857, AR 13. Richard Davidson Lamb Richard Davidson Lamb, son of Ira H. Lamb and Caroline Davidson, was born ca 1850, in Arkansas. He was married 8 December 1892, to 2/hus to Julia Hough, who was born 11 April 1860, (Julia m/1 23 Jan 1879, Ira Lamb) Julia died 19 May 1918, and was buried in Maple Hill Cemetery, Helena, Arkansas. He died in Phillips County, Arkansas. Chn: 1. Juanta Ira Lamb, married Alden Sanford 2. Carrie May Lamb, born 31 Dec 1898, Helena, AR; d 25 Apr 1978, West Helena, AR, married 4 May 1922, George Leonard Aitken 3. Oscar Lamb, married Cecile Chostner, in Helena, AR ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- Thomas Lamb, Sr., married Sarah, born 1748. From Bucks Co., Pennsylvania, to VA in 1754; to Bush River MM, Newberry Co. SC 1766. Sarah died Cane Creek MM Union Co SC 15 Apr 1791, age 43. Family recorded Bush River Monthly Meeting, Newberry Co., SC est 1770 page 1021 Ch: 1. Robert T Lamb, born 23 May 1776, Bush River MM dis mou 26 Apr 1788 2. Elizabeth Lamb, born 18 Jan 1768 3. William Lamb, born 16 Nov 1769, Bush River dis 25 Apr 1789 4. Thomas Lamb, Jr., born 16 Nov 1771 5. Joseph Lamb, born 18 Nov 1773 6. Mary Lamb, born 22 Dec 1775 7. David Lamb, born 28 Dec 1777 8. John Lamb, born 19 Dec 1779 9. Alice Lamb I, born 8 Jul 1782 and died 12 Jul 1782 10. Alice Lamb II, born 18 Jun 1783, m 1801, to Ray 11. James Lamb, born 25 Nov 1785 =================================================== Henry Lamb and wife Rebecca. The family was received 23 October 1834 at Duck Creek MM, Indiana, from Center MM, North Carolina. Chn: 1. Salathier Lamb 2. Benjamin Lamb 3. Allen Lamb He may, or may not be, the Henry Lamb, who was reprimanded 22 September 1836 in Duck Creek for " disturbing religious meetings by making public communications therein" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ William N Lamb, son of Abiatha and Eliza Lamb, born 6 April 1857, Wayne Co., Indiana. m/1 Louisa Dennis, who was born 31 August 1854, died 1881, daughter of Mahlon and Louisa Dennis. m/2 26 October 1882, to Eveline Dicks, who was born 12 September 1855, daughter of Nathan Dicks and Nancy C. Allen Chn 1. Genevra Lamb, born 9 October 1881 m/2 2. Pearl Lamb, son, born 1 May 1884, Spiceland MM, Indiana 3. Freeman Lamb, married to Mary Effie Foster, who was born 5 September 1876, daughter of Elijah Foster and Mary Pickett. Recorded at Spiceland MM, Indiana. Springfield MM, Indiana =================================================== G-112. Samuel Lamb Samuel Lamb, son of Thomas Lamb, Sr. and Massey Adamson, was born about 1807, in NC, probably near Center MM. He moved to Springfield MM, Wayne Co., IN, 15 Mar 1834. He married Susie (Sadie, Susan) Thompson, probably after the move, since she was not mentioned in the record at that time. Chn: 1. Oliva Ann Lamb 2. Amanda Lamb, married Reuben Chamness *3. Daniel Lamb, born ca 1838 4. Mahala Lamb 5. Clarkson Lamb Thomas C Lamb Thomas C. Lamb, son of Samuel and Sussannah Lamb, was born 14 October 1839, in Wayne Co., Indiana; died 1 January 1922; He was married 9 September 1861, to Harriet C. Woody, who was born 9 September 1842, in Chatham Co., North Carolina, daughter of Hugh and Elizabeth Woody. Family records at Back Creek MM, Ind, do not include Lincoln. Chn: 1. Flora May Lamb, b 15 Feb 1863, Randolph Co. IN; married 28 March 1895 to Cilvetus Heath 2. Lincoln E. Lamb, born 18 October 1864 3. Nelson U. Lamb, born 19 May 1868, Madison Co., Indiana Springfield Mm, Indiana Can Thomas C be connected with my above Samuel? =================================================== John A. Lamb, born 12 March 1845, buried 31 January 1921, Bloomfield m to Pamela Pickard, who was born 14 June 1839, daughter of William Pickard and Mary Silers. Chn: 1. Gracie Lamb, born 31 January 1869 2. Arthur G. Lamb, born 18 November 1870 3. William W. Lamb, born 23 October 1872 4. Catherine E. Lamb, born 4 March 1878 Bloomfield MM, Indiana ==============================

Q-Rs: I have been able to obtain the following book through the Lending Library System at my local library: "QUAKER RECORDS IN GEORGIA: Wrightsborough 1772-1793 Friendsborough 1776-1777" By: Robert Scott Davis, Jr., Compiler. Violet Moore Guy vmguy@gmpexpress.net 01/25/2005

I am an attender at Chesterfield Meeting, and have been asked by the Children's meeting to find out more about the BINNS family of Clay Cross. I have found the following from: http://www.binns.dircon.co.uk/binnsnl17.html Charles Binns (1813-1887) was a member of the Liverpool Branch of the Quaker Binns (with a seventeenth century origin at Clough Hey on the moors west of Keighley). His grandfather Jonathan II (1747-1818] practised medicine in Liverpool from 1781-1794, then became Supervisor of Ackworth [Quaker] School in Yorkshire until 1804. Retiring to Lancaster, he died there in 1812 and is buried in the yard of the Friends' Meeting House. Jonathan III (1785-1871), the father of Charles, was a land surveyor, who made a survey of Lancashire published in 1824, and wrote books on agricultural topics. Surveyors, the Quakers and Railways are topics which are closely linked, so that it is not perhaps so surprising that Charles came into contact with George Stephenson, the great railway engineer, and was engaged as his private secretary. Stephenson settled in Chesterfield (Tapton Hall) in 1838 intent on developing the mineral resources of the area. In 1837, together with his son Robert, Joshua Walmsley MP (Charles's father-in-law), George Hudson (The Railway King) and others, he established George Stephenson & Co., and Charles Binns was appointed the General Manager, a post which he held until his retirement on ill-health grounds in 1884. While Charles does not seem to have 'practised' as a Quaker, certainly his family connections with the Friends seem to have made him a 'good' employer, by Victorian standards, being especially keen to develop educational facilities for the Clay Cross area. The reverse of the coin was that in 1872 Charles announced that the assistance the Company gave to the employees and their families would be withdrawn should the men be so presumptuous as to found or join a trade union. During Charles's time as GM, the Clay Cross Company, as it was renamed, flourished, and when he died in 1887, he was a wealthy man. His assets were mainly placed in a trust for the benefit of his wife and three surviving daughters - there had been four daughters originally, but no sons. The trust was still in existence at least as late as 1931, paying out its income as prescribed by Charles in his will. I wonder if anyone can give me any more information on this family? John -- John Rouse -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/05

Hi Guilford NC Quakers I am still searching for ancestors of Rachel Gray of Deep River NC who married Jesse Ballard in 1826. Surely someone from that area might suggest somewhere else to look for her and her sister Mary Elizabeth Gray who married William Ballard V in 1827

Lindenwood University, St. Charles Mo, is the owner & caretaker of the Boone Homestead & Village west of St. Louis near Defiance. Well worth a visit; the tour and Village are wonderful. Daniel & Rebecca lived here from 1804-1820 in his son, Nathan's, home. There is a plaque at his burial site. Daniel's death bed is in the house. The web site has quite a bit of info & photos about the Boone family and a good links page. (Some of the links deal with Daniel's legend and myth.) _http://www.lindenwood.edu/academics/divisions/DanielBooneMain.html_ (http://www.lindenwood.edu/academics/divisions/DanielBooneMain.html) Hope this helps with some of the discussion of the Boone family. (I don't believe I connect to the Boone family though Mordecai Mendenhall is my 5th great grandfather.) Marla Brown Lindenwood '69

Genealogy of Abraham Lincoln's Mother http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/6552/lincoln.htm

Hi all, In my Tadlock tree we have a Susannah who married Thomas Tadlock but we have never known where she came from or her last name. The dates and places are about right -- the Tadlocks were not Quakers though. Our Thomas and his kin were part of the bid for the State of Franklin, were in Virginia for the time around 1780-1800, before their kids and descendants pioneered in KY from early 1800s. I'm sure I was finding Boone records in the same places I was finding my Tadlock ones landwise etc, so I'll go back to my notes and see if we might have a match for Susannah Boone. Blessed be all our relations, willow Mummulgum Australia

This is an interesting case. Incidentally, my copy of Hinshaw's abstracts for Deep River shows that Abner was disowned in 1848, not 1838, which would make him an adult. The original monthly meting minutes would give the reason for disownment. Quakers did not practice shunning, and a disowned person usually, unless he had done something really infamous, would not be cut off by his family. In fact a disowned ex-Quaker would have been encouraged to continue attending meetings for worship in the hope that he would see the error of his ways. The Discipline of North Carolina Yearly Meeting stated that an illegitimate child could not be a birthright member. Having a child out of wedlock was a serious offense against the Discipline, and invariably brought disownment, although the mother could later regain her membership by apologizing for the offense. For the child born out of wedlock to be a member, however, the mother would have to request it. From the cases I've seen, the child usually took the mother's last name and remained with the mother, even if she eventually married. Being a gunsmith would not have been a violation of the Discipline. Guilford County was well known as a center of gunsmithing, and some of the gunsmiths were Quakers. Friends had no objection to hunting. Selling rifles for army purposes, however, would have brought disownment. It appears that the only Gordon family that remained at Deep River after 1813 was that of John and Mary (Wheeler) Gordon. They do not have a son Abner listed in the birth and death records, but it is possible that younger children were omitted for some reason. Have you checked for a will or estate settlement for John Wheeler? He died in Guilford County in 1846. Tom Hamm >I am trying to identify the parents of Abner GORDON, b btw. 1822 and 1827, >Guilford Co, NC. Many relatives were involved in the Deep River MM. >Through use of the pre-1840 census records I have narrowed the search. > >I need help with terminology - in 1838 (btw ages 11 and 16) Abner was >disowned according to the minutes. Why would a young man be disowned at >that age? I know he was a gunstocker at the age of 24, obviously part of >the Guilford Co gunmaking industry. > >If a young person was disowned, was he still considered part of the family? > >Would a person be disowned if he was an illegitimate child? What action >would have been taken against his mother? Would he have kept his mother's >name and would the grandparents have raised him? > >Abner later moved to Hendricks Co, IN then on to Boone Co, IN. > >I'd appreciate any ideas on things to look for to solve this problem. > >Diane in CA > > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Gary, you didn't make a mistake. It sounded to me as if you were repeating the story as it was told to you. I only meant to point out that the story might have gotten some "spin" before it got to you. Yes, the elders could speak out against any misconduct in the meeting. But they didn't have the power to act unless that power was given to them. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "gary d wilson" <thesarge578@adelphia.net> To: "Mark E. Dixon" <mark.dixon@att.net>; <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep River MM > Mr Dixon, > Good Day: > I believe I worded it, WRONG, in My Message, but I did refer to > Meeting, and The Elder's, but as said My Grandmother who passed on in 1950, > at 72 yrs of age, and the Fact that I was 7 yrs old, was to Me, Important; > that I always have remembered, along with some of the Old Stories She would > tell Me abt the Quaker's and How/Why and such things She thought I needed to > learn; so Please Forgive, My Mis-Wording, but that is What I Meant. (Also, > fr what She said if The Elder's wanted someone Out, they did Use their > powers of talk, to Speak Out against anyone, everyone, who they felt, did > and Sinfull, Act, so believe I was right to a degree.....) > Thanks for the Information, and Appreciate You catching Mistake, as I said > Someone with More Knowledge than I, could answer the Question. > > Regards: > The Sarge > ""Honor and Courage"" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark E. Dixon" <mark.dixon@att.net> > To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep > River MM > > > > What strikes me in your grandmother's story is its structure, i.e., that a > > disownment was the act of a few elders not the entire meeting. It's > > possible that this was how your ancestor understood what had happened and > > explained it to his or her family. > > > > There is a reason for this: It makes disownment seem less an issue of > > whether a person violated the rules and more like the whim of a few > > cranks. > > It makes the person being disowned feel better. > > > > In fact, though, disownments were decisions of the entire meeting. > > > > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "gary d wilson" <thesarge578@adelphia.net> > > To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep > > River MM > > > > > >> Good Day: > >> From the Liittle I Know fr My Grandmother, anything that had to do with > >> the War, was a reason, to be Disowned; by The Quaker Elder's, I would > >> say > >> that He was asked to quit such dealings, and He didn't, so They as > > Elder's; > >> had him brought up in a Meeting, and Disowned Him, in Their Eyes, He was > >> comminting a Sin. > >> I'm just starting to Learn, Discovery, The Old Ways, so Please, I'm > > sure > >> someone has the Correct answer, but I'm just staring Out...Trying!!!!! > >> > >> Regards: > >> The Sarge > >> ""Honor and Courage"" > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Diane Murach" <dmurach@starstream.net> > >> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:06 AM > >> Subject: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep > > River > >> MM > >> > >> > >> >I am trying to identify the parents of Abner GORDON, b btw. 1822 and > > 1827, > >> > Guilford Co, NC. Many relatives were involved in the Deep River MM. > >> > Through use of the pre-1840 census records I have narrowed the search. > >> > > >> > I need help with terminology - in 1838 (btw ages 11 and 16) Abner was > >> > disowned according to the minutes. Why would a young man be disowned > >> > at > >> > that age? I know he was a gunstocker at the age of 24, obviously part > > of > >> > the Guilford Co gunmaking industry. > >> > > >> > If a young person was disowned, was he still considered part of the > >> > family? > >> > > >> > Would a person be disowned if he was an illegitimate child? What > >> > action > >> > would have been taken against his mother? Would he have kept his > > mother's > >> > name and would the grandparents have raised him? > >> > > >> > Abner later moved to Hendricks Co, IN then on to Boone Co, IN. > >> > > >> > I'd appreciate any ideas on things to look for to solve this problem. > >> > > >> > Diane in CA > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > >> > Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On > >> > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > >> HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > >> QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > >> The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. > >> > > > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Need assistance? Please contact:Quaker-Roots-L-Admin@RootsWeb.com > > List Manager for Quaker-Roots-L and Quaker-Roots-D > > Now with over 750 subscribers > > > > >

Mr Dixon, Good Day: I believe I worded it, WRONG, in My Message, but I did refer to Meeting, and The Elder's, but as said My Grandmother who passed on in 1950, at 72 yrs of age, and the Fact that I was 7 yrs old, was to Me, Important; that I always have remembered, along with some of the Old Stories She would tell Me abt the Quaker's and How/Why and such things She thought I needed to learn; so Please Forgive, My Mis-Wording, but that is What I Meant. (Also, fr what She said if The Elder's wanted someone Out, they did Use their powers of talk, to Speak Out against anyone, everyone, who they felt, did and Sinfull, Act, so believe I was right to a degree.....) Thanks for the Information, and Appreciate You catching Mistake, as I said Someone with More Knowledge than I, could answer the Question. Regards: The Sarge ""Honor and Courage"" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark E. Dixon" <mark.dixon@att.net> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep River MM > What strikes me in your grandmother's story is its structure, i.e., that a > disownment was the act of a few elders not the entire meeting. It's > possible that this was how your ancestor understood what had happened and > explained it to his or her family. > > There is a reason for this: It makes disownment seem less an issue of > whether a person violated the rules and more like the whim of a few > cranks. > It makes the person being disowned feel better. > > In fact, though, disownments were decisions of the entire meeting. > > Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gary d wilson" <thesarge578@adelphia.net> > To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep > River MM > > >> Good Day: >> From the Liittle I Know fr My Grandmother, anything that had to do with >> the War, was a reason, to be Disowned; by The Quaker Elder's, I would >> say >> that He was asked to quit such dealings, and He didn't, so They as > Elder's; >> had him brought up in a Meeting, and Disowned Him, in Their Eyes, He was >> comminting a Sin. >> I'm just starting to Learn, Discovery, The Old Ways, so Please, I'm > sure >> someone has the Correct answer, but I'm just staring Out...Trying!!!!! >> >> Regards: >> The Sarge >> ""Honor and Courage"" >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diane Murach" <dmurach@starstream.net> >> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:06 AM >> Subject: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep > River >> MM >> >> >> >I am trying to identify the parents of Abner GORDON, b btw. 1822 and > 1827, >> > Guilford Co, NC. Many relatives were involved in the Deep River MM. >> > Through use of the pre-1840 census records I have narrowed the search. >> > >> > I need help with terminology - in 1838 (btw ages 11 and 16) Abner was >> > disowned according to the minutes. Why would a young man be disowned >> > at >> > that age? I know he was a gunstocker at the age of 24, obviously part > of >> > the Guilford Co gunmaking industry. >> > >> > If a young person was disowned, was he still considered part of the >> > family? >> > >> > Would a person be disowned if he was an illegitimate child? What >> > action >> > would have been taken against his mother? Would he have kept his > mother's >> > name and would the grandparents have raised him? >> > >> > Abner later moved to Hendricks Co, IN then on to Boone Co, IN. >> > >> > I'd appreciate any ideas on things to look for to solve this problem. >> > >> > Diane in CA >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> > Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >> > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: >> QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com >> The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. >> > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Need assistance? Please contact:Quaker-Roots-L-Admin@RootsWeb.com > List Manager for Quaker-Roots-L and Quaker-Roots-D > Now with over 750 subscribers > >

What strikes me in your grandmother's story is its structure, i.e., that a disownment was the act of a few elders not the entire meeting. It's possible that this was how your ancestor understood what had happened and explained it to his or her family. There is a reason for this: It makes disownment seem less an issue of whether a person violated the rules and more like the whim of a few cranks. It makes the person being disowned feel better. In fact, though, disownments were decisions of the entire meeting. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "gary d wilson" <thesarge578@adelphia.net> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep River MM > Good Day: > From the Liittle I Know fr My Grandmother, anything that had to do with > the War, was a reason, to be Disowned; by The Quaker Elder's, I would say > that He was asked to quit such dealings, and He didn't, so They as Elder's; > had him brought up in a Meeting, and Disowned Him, in Their Eyes, He was > comminting a Sin. > I'm just starting to Learn, Discovery, The Old Ways, so Please, I'm sure > someone has the Correct answer, but I'm just staring Out...Trying!!!!! > > Regards: > The Sarge > ""Honor and Courage"" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Murach" <dmurach@starstream.net> > To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:06 AM > Subject: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep River > MM > > > >I am trying to identify the parents of Abner GORDON, b btw. 1822 and 1827, > > Guilford Co, NC. Many relatives were involved in the Deep River MM. > > Through use of the pre-1840 census records I have narrowed the search. > > > > I need help with terminology - in 1838 (btw ages 11 and 16) Abner was > > disowned according to the minutes. Why would a young man be disowned at > > that age? I know he was a gunstocker at the age of 24, obviously part of > > the Guilford Co gunmaking industry. > > > > If a young person was disowned, was he still considered part of the > > family? > > > > Would a person be disowned if he was an illegitimate child? What action > > would have been taken against his mother? Would he have kept his mother's > > name and would the grandparents have raised him? > > > > Abner later moved to Hendricks Co, IN then on to Boone Co, IN. > > > > I'd appreciate any ideas on things to look for to solve this problem. > > > > Diane in CA > > > > > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. >

Good Day: From the Liittle I Know fr My Grandmother, anything that had to do with the War, was a reason, to be Disowned; by The Quaker Elder's, I would say that He was asked to quit such dealings, and He didn't, so They as Elder's; had him brought up in a Meeting, and Disowned Him, in Their Eyes, He was comminting a Sin. I'm just starting to Learn, Discovery, The Old Ways, so Please, I'm sure someone has the Correct answer, but I'm just staring Out...Trying!!!!! Regards: The Sarge ""Honor and Courage"" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Murach" <dmurach@starstream.net> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: [Q-R] Abner GORDON b. btw 1822 and 1827, Guilford Co, NC Deep River MM >I am trying to identify the parents of Abner GORDON, b btw. 1822 and 1827, > Guilford Co, NC. Many relatives were involved in the Deep River MM. > Through use of the pre-1840 census records I have narrowed the search. > > I need help with terminology - in 1838 (btw ages 11 and 16) Abner was > disowned according to the minutes. Why would a young man be disowned at > that age? I know he was a gunstocker at the age of 24, obviously part of > the Guilford Co gunmaking industry. > > If a young person was disowned, was he still considered part of the > family? > > Would a person be disowned if he was an illegitimate child? What action > would have been taken against his mother? Would he have kept his mother's > name and would the grandparents have raised him? > > Abner later moved to Hendricks Co, IN then on to Boone Co, IN. > > I'd appreciate any ideas on things to look for to solve this problem. > > Diane in CA > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

There was a Quaker Boone family at Spiceland. Roger Boone, a genealogist whose work will be familiar to some of us, is a descendant. The Spiceland Boones are descendants of a John Boone who married Dorcas Chestnut (1765-1846). They were in Duplin County, North Carolina, when their son Driver Boone (1795-1881) was born. They did not become Friends until 1814, after they had moved to Guilford County. I'm not aware that anyone has connected them with the Berks County, Pennsylvania, family. Tom Hamm >In a message dated 1/23/2005 11:56:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, >shearer@clinchmountainpress.net writes: >> The Boones, having been tossed out of their meeting >> in PA, probably were not seeking another Quaker community............, >> >> Regarding the connection of the Boones to Quakers, if I'm remembering >> correctly (I'm sure that Tom Hamm can confirm or refute this) >>there was a Boone >> buried in one of the Spiceland, Henry Co, IN cemeteries who was a >>relative of >> Daniel Boone. I kept thinking he would comment on this. > >Joyce Overman Bowman >Indianapolis, IN > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE.