Hi, list. As I've mentioned in the past, I write a local history column for a magazine in the Philadelphia area. Sometimes the topics touch on Quaker history. In those instances, I post a link to this list. This month's column mentions a 1782 incident between Richard BARNARD and Isaac BAILY of Chester County. Both were founding members of Marlborough Meeting. Mark In 1782 Chester County, two neighbors squabbled over their property line. Because one valued peace over victory, both won. Making a Miracle If this link doesn't work, paste this address in your browser: www.markedixon.com/retrospect.htm "Making a Miracle" is the latest edition of Retrospect, a regular look at the history of Philadelphia's western suburbs. Retrospect appears monthly in Main Line Today. Coming next month: "What Fools These Mortals Be!" Today, we have reality television to prove that humans aren't too bright. Our ancestors had to rely on the daily papers. Some excerpts. Mark E. Dixon 610-971-0649 www.markedixon.com

Thanks so much for the responses. Terri

Is there a mention of Benjamin Mott or Mott descendents on this map? Benjamin left Long Island in the late 1600's to settle in North Carolina. He willed his land to his nephews. I don't know exactly where his land was.

The Sharples-Sharpless Family, edited by Bart Anderson: "Blakey Sharpless was a teacher at Friends Boarding School at Westtown, from 4, 9, 1810 to 9, 12, 1814, after which he removed to Philadelphia, taking a certificate from Uwchlan Monthly Meeting, dated 10, 8, 1815. He entered into partnership with Thomas Kimber, under the firm name of Kimber and Sharpless, booksellers and publishers. For many years they had a large business in the sale and publication especially of Bibles and schoolbooks. Shortly before his death hr retired from business and spent the last years of his life in Haddonfield, NJ." Both Blakey and Mary are buried at Haddonfield, NJ. No further information about Edward except what you already have - except this tome has his date of birth as 9mo. 27, 1831. Judy %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Judith Walter Heald jheald@pennswoods.net Spring Mills, PA 16875 Our roots include: Lots of Quakers from 1600's to present. . . Surnames: Barnard, Dickson, Ely, Heald, Hilaman, Hoopes, Kirk, Kline, Lippincott, Marshall, Mercer, Moore, Ogden, Paxson, Plankinton, Pownall, Pusey, Pyle, Rodgers, Sellers, Sharpless, Swayne, Taylor, Thompson, Walter, Watson, Way, Webb, Wickersham. . . PA Counties, Chester, Delaware, Lancaster, Bucks, Centre, Clearfield, Jefferson, Elk, . . . -----Original Message----- From: Gregory McReynolds [mailto:quillcottage@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:43 PM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Q-R] Edward SHARPLESS, Conservative Friends Minister? I wonder if anyone can tell me if the Edward Sharpless born 27 May 1831 and died, unmarried, 10 May 1899, the son of Blakey Sharpless (1787-1853) and Mary Offley (1793-1865), was a Conservative Friends Minister? He may have traveled as a Friends minister to Pasadena, California in January 1887 and then on to Santa Barbara, California. Any information is welcome. Thanks in advance, Gregory McReynolds Pasadena, California

Thanks to everyone for your helpful information. I'm trying to discover the identity of the family of my Great Grandfather John A. Stout. He was an orphan b. about 1863-64, and he grew up in Randolph and Wayne County, Indiana and was raised by an Elisha and Elizabeth Toney Spencer. I have this old journal that John A. Stout kept in 1893 in Richmond, Indiana. In one entry he writes, "Matt Stout and Heiss came over to eat supper." The only name that I can find that is close to Matt Stout is a Matthew Stout born circa 1846 who lived in Richmond, IN in 1893. I was able to trace his family to a Quaker Stout family who lived in Fountain City, Indiana. Matthew's parents' names were John and Mary Byrum Bailey Stout. I also have this 1883 entry from the Quaker meeting minutes at New Garden Whitewater M.M: Matthew Stout and family received on 4-19-1873. In these Quaker records, their names are listed as Matthew Stout and wife Jane, & children Oliver, George, William, and Alfred. My great grandfather also wrote the names Aunt Jane Stout, George Stout, and Oliver in his journal. Also, Matthew Stout lived in Randolph Co., Indiana in 1870 with a Pyle family. I am wondering if the Heiss name in his journal might be connected to the Heiss family in Randolph Co., IN., and in some way connected to the Quaker Matthew Stout family. I do not find any other Heiss families in the 1880 or 1900 censuses for this area. Does anyone know if any of the members of the Heiss family married into that Stout family (or collateral families, or whether they may have been friends? Any clue to the identity of this Heiss would help. Thanks again, Susan E. Davis

In a message dated 2/21/2005 1:57:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, SHASTA4737@aol.com writes: > I am seeking information about the following family: > > Isaac W. Thornburg b. 1822 married Rhoda Lamb. Their son Restore Thornburg > married _____Cox. They had a daughter named Lorette Thornburg b. 1880 in IN. > She married Calvin Heiss in 1899. The Heiss family lived in Randolph County, > IN. > I believe that the Thornburgs and Lambs also lived in Randolph County, IN. > > Does anyone know if this family was Quaker? Does anyone know anything else > about them? Does anyone know if their were Quaker families in Randolph Co., > IN > with the last name of Heiss? I have the names of these couples other > children > if that would help. I was born &raised in Randolph Co; my family were Quakers. My Father was a veterinarian and he used to do work for both Restore Thornburg and Cal Heiss. Both of these families were Quaker--and are listed in the White River Meeting records. I did not know who Restore's wife was, but according to the records was Annette COX. The youngest Heiss--Williard was a certified genealogist and Quaker Historian--and was the person responsible for getting the Indiana Quaker records that we all use published. According to a note in the White River records, Cal & family withdrew from that meeting to go to Christian church in 1921--the same year that Willard was born. However, I knew Williard (& wife, Virginia) and attended Meeting with them for many years here in Indianapolis. There were a lot of Thornburgs in Randolph Co--I don't remember so many Lambs in that county county though I'm related to a bunch from Miami County. I don't know if there are any Heiss family members in Randolph County that carry that name. Tom Hamm may know. I knew Willard's sister Elizabeth Heiss Keesling. They lived in that area and I went to school with their children. They had 2 boys, but not sure if either are still living around there. Regarding a connection to the Pyles or Stouts--I don't know. Joyce Joyce Overman Bowman Indianapolis, IN

Restore Thornburg married Annettie Cox. Calvin and Loretta (Thornburg) Heiss's youngest son was Willard Heiss (1921-1988), who was one of the great Quaker genealogists of the twentieth century, and a good friend of mine. All of these families lived in Randolph County, Indiana. Here at Earlham College we have Willard Heiss's files and papers, with extensive information on all of these families. The Heisses were originally Lutherans. They moved to Randolph County from Galion, Ohio. Their Quaker connections came with marriages into Quaker families. Tom Hamm >Hello, > >I am seeking information about the following family: > >Isaac W. Thornburg b. 1822 married Rhoda Lamb. Their son Restore Thornburg >married _____Cox. They had a daughter named Lorette Thornburg b. >1880 in IN. She >married Calvin Heiss in 1899. The Heiss family lived in Randolph County, IN. >I believe that the Thornburgs and Lambs also lived in Randolph County, IN. > >Does anyone know if this family was Quaker? Does anyone know anything else >about them? Does anyone know if their were Quaker families in Randolph Co., IN >with the last name of Heiss? I have the names of these couples other children >if that would help. > >Does anyone know of a connection between them and a Quaker Pyle or Stout >family? > >Thanks for any help! > >Sincerely, > >Susan E. Davis > > > > > > > > > > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE.

Hello, I am seeking information about the following family: Isaac W. Thornburg b. 1822 married Rhoda Lamb. Their son Restore Thornburg married _____Cox. They had a daughter named Lorette Thornburg b. 1880 in IN. She married Calvin Heiss in 1899. The Heiss family lived in Randolph County, IN. I believe that the Thornburgs and Lambs also lived in Randolph County, IN. Does anyone know if this family was Quaker? Does anyone know anything else about them? Does anyone know if their were Quaker families in Randolph Co., IN with the last name of Heiss? I have the names of these couples other children if that would help. Does anyone know of a connection between them and a Quaker Pyle or Stout family? Thanks for any help! Sincerely, Susan E. Davis

I have Hannah Martin b. 3.5/1719/20, daughter of Moses and Margaret Battin Martin, as married by a priest 3.1736/37. Since she married out, it may be very hard to follow her. Barclay Richards

Pine Street meetinghouse in Philadelphia was built ca. 1753 and used until 1832. It was originally part of Philadelphia Monthly Meeting and when that meeting was divided in 1772, part of Philadelphia Monthly Meeting for the Southern District. Chris Densmore

Many Friends married "out of meeting." In fact, by 1850, there's reason to believe that this was as common as marrying in meeting. In that case, in states that required it, they got a license or posted a bond. Tom Hamm >How come they still purchased the marriages bonds? Is it possible they we >not members in good standing at that time? > >I've also noticed in the family I am researching a large number of >previously disowned Society of Friends members reestablishing themselves as >members in 1860 just prior to the Civil War. I noticed that most remained >members for the rest of their lives. > >Diane > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thomas Hamm" <tomh@earlham.edu> >To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:26 AM >Subject: RE: [Q-R] marriage license/intents > > >> I'll add a bit to Jeff Palmer's good response to this question. >> State marriage license laws varied considerably until the early >> twentieth century. South Carolina, for example, did not require >> marriage licenses until after 1900. >> >> States that required marriage licenses and also had Quaker >> populations exempted Friends from such requirements until after 1900. >> In Indiana, for example, Quakers did not have to obtain marriage >> licenses or register their marriages with county clerks until 1927. >> It appears that at times, however, monthly meetings did report their >> marriages to civil authorities. I'm told that some Quaker marriages >> conducted under the care of Middleton Monthly Meeting are recorded in >> the civil records of Columbiana County, Ohio. My sense is that this >> is exceptional. >> >> Tom Hamm >> >> >Insofar as the early Friends lived in primarily Quaker communities, >> >"declaring their marriage intentions" to the monthly meeting was, in >effect, >> >making their intentions known publicly. They did not apply for a >marriage >> >license from the government until more recent times. >> > >> >That said, this notion of needing a marriage license from the government >is >> >a relatively modern phenomenon, so I'm not sure how significantly this >> >Quaker practice differed from that of other denominations. Historically, >> >marriage was only a private, typically church-sanctioned, contract. (For > >> >that matter, even the Church has also only been in the marriage business >for >> >a few hundred years.) Sort of puts this whole "Should government >sanction >> >gay marriages?" question into a different light, but then, that's going >> >off-topic... >> > >> >With the usual caveat that "official" Quaker practice may vary from >yearly >> >meeting to yearly meeting and from time to time, I believe the following >> >guidance from the 1955 Philadelphia Yearly Meeting "Faith and Practice", >pp. >> >79-80 is representative of modern Quaker practice: >> > >> > "The responsibilities of the persons to be married [include]... [t]o >> >inform themselves of all the legal requirements of the state in which the >> >marriage is to take place and the forms to be used. It is important for >the >> >contracting parties to consult with the licensing bureau in the county in >> >which the marriage is to take place or with a member of the Committee of >> >Oversight. The license form applied for must be the correct one for use >in >> >a Friends' wedding in which no clergyman participates. This must be made >> >clear to the Clerk issuing the license. Because in some counties the >proper >> >license form is not immediately obtainable, it is important to attend to >> >this matter at an early date." >> > >> >[Whereas a marriage is ostensibly a union ordained by God, I find this >> >acquiescence to government authority interesting, especially when >compared >> >to the traditional Quaker libertarian attitudes towards other conflicts >> >between conscience and governmental authority, e.g. with regard to >mandatory >> >military service. I wonder what a meeting would do if the government >chose >> >to prohibit such a marriage.] >> > > > >Jeff Palmer - jap@highstream.net >> > * * * >> >Quote of the Week: "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at >> >once." -- David Hume >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Terri [mailto:taire@webtv.net] >> >Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:27 AM >> >To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: [Q-R] marriage license/intents >> > >> >I hope this isn't too silly a question -- I'm not totally Quaker >adept ---- >> >. Did Quakers have to apply for a license and/or make their intent public >> >like non-Quakers or did they do that only within the church? >> > >> >Thanks all -- Terri >> > >> >-- >> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.0.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> >Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >> >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> >> >> ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: >> QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com >> The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. >> >> >>

I believe that she is the Hannah Smith who was received on certificate from Chester MM at Cane Creek MM in North Carolina in 1760. Tom Hamm >Does any one know what happen to Hannah Martin who married John Smith 39da >3rd mo 1737,Chester, Pennsylvania. >Hannah is daughter of Moses Martin and Margaret Battin. > >I found a John Smith born abt 1752 living near Moses Martin and Mary Evans >(son of Moses Martin and Margaret Battin) >Not sure if this John Smith is related to John and Hannah Martin Smith. > >John Smith born abt 1752, died in Lincoln County, Tennessee. His son David >married Elizabeth Davis dau of Morgan Davis and Sarah Reed Davis. Sarah >Reed is a Quaker from New Jersey. > >I know the some of this family was disowned Quakers but not sure of the >others. > >Janet Ariciu > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Visit The Quaker Corner - http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers

I'll add a bit to Jeff Palmer's good response to this question. State marriage license laws varied considerably until the early twentieth century. South Carolina, for example, did not require marriage licenses until after 1900. States that required marriage licenses and also had Quaker populations exempted Friends from such requirements until after 1900. In Indiana, for example, Quakers did not have to obtain marriage licenses or register their marriages with county clerks until 1927. It appears that at times, however, monthly meetings did report their marriages to civil authorities. I'm told that some Quaker marriages conducted under the care of Middleton Monthly Meeting are recorded in the civil records of Columbiana County, Ohio. My sense is that this is exceptional. Tom Hamm >Insofar as the early Friends lived in primarily Quaker communities, >"declaring their marriage intentions" to the monthly meeting was, in effect, >making their intentions known publicly. They did not apply for a marriage >license from the government until more recent times. > >That said, this notion of needing a marriage license from the government is >a relatively modern phenomenon, so I'm not sure how significantly this >Quaker practice differed from that of other denominations. Historically, >marriage was only a private, typically church-sanctioned, contract. (For >that matter, even the Church has also only been in the marriage business for >a few hundred years.) Sort of puts this whole "Should government sanction >gay marriages?" question into a different light, but then, that's going >off-topic... > >With the usual caveat that "official" Quaker practice may vary from yearly >meeting to yearly meeting and from time to time, I believe the following >guidance from the 1955 Philadelphia Yearly Meeting "Faith and Practice", pp. >79-80 is representative of modern Quaker practice: > > "The responsibilities of the persons to be married [include]... [t]o >inform themselves of all the legal requirements of the state in which the >marriage is to take place and the forms to be used. It is important for the >contracting parties to consult with the licensing bureau in the county in >which the marriage is to take place or with a member of the Committee of >Oversight. The license form applied for must be the correct one for use in >a Friends' wedding in which no clergyman participates. This must be made >clear to the Clerk issuing the license. Because in some counties the proper >license form is not immediately obtainable, it is important to attend to >this matter at an early date." > >[Whereas a marriage is ostensibly a union ordained by God, I find this >acquiescence to government authority interesting, especially when compared >to the traditional Quaker libertarian attitudes towards other conflicts >between conscience and governmental authority, e.g. with regard to mandatory >military service. I wonder what a meeting would do if the government chose >to prohibit such a marriage.] > >Jeff Palmer - jap@highstream.net > * * * >Quote of the Week: "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at >once." -- David Hume > >-----Original Message----- >From: Terri [mailto:taire@webtv.net] >Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:27 AM >To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Q-R] marriage license/intents > >I hope this isn't too silly a question -- I'm not totally Quaker adept ---- >. Did Quakers have to apply for a license and/or make their intent public >like non-Quakers or did they do that only within the church? > >Thanks all -- Terri > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.0.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 > > > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

In Henry County Iowa my great grandfather's 1866 Quaker Marriage was recorded and a stamp added to the Quaker Certificate. 1844 and 1846 Quaker Marriage Certificates have no stamps and they were not recorded at the courthouse, if the listing of Henry County marriages 1836 - 1850 is complete on genweb. Many Quaker names were on it but no Maxwell's or Mendenhall's, which are the 1844 and 1846 Quaker Certificates I have. Jean grannyroots@iowatelecom.net or jeansjots@yahoo.com "Watch What You Say or Do, You Might Sell Your Parrot To The Town Gossip and If You Don't Have A Parrot Someone Above May Be Watching You" Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanlee Cemetery project: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanlee/ cemeteriesmarionhenry.htm Researching: WILMETH, DENNY/DENNEY Other SURNAMES: ARGO - BEALS - BOGUE - BURNETT - DRAPER - HALL - HALLOWELL - HECK - HIATT - HIGGOTT - HODSON - HOUK - HOLLINGSWORTH - KOLLINGS - McILVAINE - MAXWELL(2 lines) - MARK - MARRS - MENDENHALL - MICHENER - NEWBY - REISINGER -ROBERDS - RUNYON - THORNELOE - TRUEBLOOD

The Pine Street Meeting House, which was the home meeting of Jonathan Evans, was used by Friends of the Southern District until the 1830s when the Orange Street MH was constructed on Washington Square. I don't have the date of construction with me at work, but I believe it was in the mid-eighteenth century. The Pine Street MH stood empty most of the time from 1835 until it was demolished in 1861. A photograph was taken of it just before demolition which appears in one of the books of early Philadelphia photographs. Pine Street was an example of the Cottage Plan with a pyramidal roof. Some architectural historians classify it as an example of the Square Plan, but I believe that all these square buildings such as Sadsbury and the Bank MH are a subcategory of the Cottage Plan because they had a similar interior layout and English antecedents. Seth > -----Original Message----- > From: P Smith [HYPERLINK > "mailto:parsleyinkansas@yahoo.com"mailto:parsleyinkansas@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:34 PM > To: > Subject: [Q-R] early Philadelphia Meeting - Pine Street MM > > Does anyone know of an 18th century Meeting in the Philadelphia, PA, area > called the PINE STREET MONTHLY MEETING? What dates might it have been in > use? > > Thanks. > Lucy Smith > Cottonwood Falls, KS

If I understand all of the following correctly, Pine Street Meeting was established as a part of the Philadelphia MM sometime before 1766 and became the meeting place of the Southern District MM which was set off from Philadelphia MM in 1772. It existed through sometime after 1826 and was gone by 1940. One of the John T. Humphrey books mentioned below (which I don't happen to have) should more definitively state when it was established. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jrichmon/quaker/qksrcsec.htm: Records of the Pine Street Monthly Meeting are abstracted in both "Pennsylvania Births, Philadelphia County, 1644-1765" and "Pennsylvania Births, Philadelphia County, 1766-1780", both by John T. Humphrey, suggesting that it must have existed before 1766. Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Volume II, by William Wade Hinshaw, 1938, p. 329: "A monthly meeting for the Southern District [of Philadelphia Yearly Meeting] was also established in 1772, meeting at first in a building on Fourth street near Chestnut, but soon going to the 'Hill meeting', so-called, on the south side of Pine street, below Second." http://www.philadelphiabuildings.org/pab/app/pj_display.cfm/66930: "Status: ... Demolished... Location: ... Pine Street between Front and Second Streets, Philadelphia, PA" http://www.qhpress.org/quakerpages/qwhp/hcjnh1.htm: "In 1756 a meeting for Negroes in Philadelphia was again proposed and finally it was arranged to hold it quarterly on the Fourth day following each Quarterly meeting "at the Bank Meeting House at 3 o'clock P.M. It was probably held continuously for nearly half a century. It is frequently mentioned towards the year 1800 by diaries of Friends visiting Philadelphia. It was apparently held, then, on Third day afternoon. The meeting houses on Pine Street and on Market Street are both mentioned. The last meeting of the sort was held in 5th month, 1805..." http://www.gwyneddfriends.org/mott.html: "James and Lucretia Mott] were given parental consent to marry in the early spring of 1811. They were married at Pine Street Meeting House in Philadelphia on 10 April 1811." http://www.qhpress.org/quakerpages/qhoa/19thhicksite.htm: "Sermon delivered by Elias Hicks; Responses to Hicks by Jonathan Evans and Isaac Lloyd; and Responses to them by Elias Hicks and Willet Hicks. Delivered at Pine Street Meeting in Philadelphia, December 10, 1826." Jeff Palmer - jap@highstream.net * * * Quote of the Week: “It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once.” -- David Hume -----Original Message----- From: P Smith [HYPERLINK "mailto:parsleyinkansas@yahoo.com"mailto:parsleyinkansas@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:34 PM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Q-R] early Philadelphia Meeting - Pine Street MM Does anyone know of an 18th century Meeting in the Philadelphia, PA, area called the PINE STREET MONTHLY MEETING? What dates might it have been in use? Thanks. Lucy Smith Cottonwood Falls, KS -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005

Insofar as the early Friends lived in primarily Quaker communities, "declaring their marriage intentions" to the monthly meeting was, in effect, making their intentions known publicly. They did not apply for a marriage license from the government until more recent times. That said, this notion of needing a marriage license from the government is a relatively modern phenomenon, so I'm not sure how significantly this Quaker practice differed from that of other denominations. Historically, marriage was only a private, typically church-sanctioned, contract. (For that matter, even the Church has also only been in the marriage business for a few hundred years.) Sort of puts this whole "Should government sanction gay marriages?" question into a different light, but then, that's going off-topic... With the usual caveat that "official" Quaker practice may vary from yearly meeting to yearly meeting and from time to time, I believe the following guidance from the 1955 Philadelphia Yearly Meeting "Faith and Practice", pp. 79-80 is representative of modern Quaker practice: "The responsibilities of the persons to be married [include]... [t]o inform themselves of all the legal requirements of the state in which the marriage is to take place and the forms to be used. It is important for the contracting parties to consult with the licensing bureau in the county in which the marriage is to take place or with a member of the Committee of Oversight. The license form applied for must be the correct one for use in a Friends' wedding in which no clergyman participates. This must be made clear to the Clerk issuing the license. Because in some counties the proper license form is not immediately obtainable, it is important to attend to this matter at an early date." [Whereas a marriage is ostensibly a union ordained by God, I find this acquiescence to government authority interesting, especially when compared to the traditional Quaker libertarian attitudes towards other conflicts between conscience and governmental authority, e.g. with regard to mandatory military service. I wonder what a meeting would do if the government chose to prohibit such a marriage.] Jeff Palmer - jap@highstream.net * * * Quote of the Week: “It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once.” -- David Hume -----Original Message----- From: Terri [mailto:taire@webtv.net] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:27 AM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Q-R] marriage license/intents I hope this isn't too silly a question -- I'm not totally Quaker adept ---- . Did Quakers have to apply for a license and/or make their intent public like non-Quakers or did they do that only within the church? Thanks all -- Terri -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.0.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005

Hi Jeff, Thank you very much for checking for me! Gregory > "The Sharples-Sharpless Family, Volume I", by Bart Anderson, West Chester, > PA, 1966 offers only the following about your Edward Sharpless, son of > Blakey & Mary (Offley) Sharpless: > > "Edward born 9 mo. 27, 1831 [Note the date] and died 5 mo. 10, 1899 > unmarried." > > I would suppose that the branch of Quakerism that Edward adhered to would > have been the same as that of the rest of his family. According to Hinshaw, > before the split, Blakey had been a member of the Uwchlan and Philadelphia > meetings: > > "Blakey rocf [Received on certificate from] Uwchlan MM [to > Philadelphia MM] dated 1815, 10, 5" > > Later [according to Anderson], three of Edward's sisters, Anna N. Sharpless > (b. 1825), Martha Powell Sharpless (b. 1827) and Mary Sharpless (b. 1837) > were married at Haddonfield Friends Meeting in Haddonfield, New Jersey, so I > would guess that Edward was also a member of Haddonfield. Unfortunately, > there was both an "Arch Street" (Orthodox) and a "Race Street" (Hicksite) > Haddonfield Meeting at that time. Perhaps one of our list members with > access to Haddonfield marriage records could confirm which of the > Haddonfield meetings oversaw the sisters' marriages or could locate a > membership record for Edward. > > Jeff Palmer - jap@highstream.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gregory McReynolds [mailto:quillcottage@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:06 AM > To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Edward Sharpless, Conservative Friends Minister? > > Herbert, > > Thank you very much for your response to my query regarding Edward > Sharpless. Here is what I found regarding his visit to Pasadena in Elizabeth > Pearson's history of the Pasadena Conservative Friends Meeting, published in > 1918: > > 12-26-1886ÐÐThirty-one present, including Edw. Sharpless. A silent Meeting. > > 1-2-1887ÐÐAbout twenty-five present. Edward Sharpless spoke to our > edification and comfort. > > 1-16-1887ÐÐAbout thirty present. Edward Sharpless was greatly favored both > in vocal prayer and sermon, cautioning us against being disturbed by "the > many voices of the world" and forgetting the "one thing needful." > > 1-23-1887ÐÐThirty-four at Meeting. Edward Sharpless spoke with Heavenly > unction, and offered acceptable prayer we cannot doubt. He has labored > faithfully here, both publicly and from house to house, especially among the > Progressive Friends, and though the fruits do not seem apparent he is > willing to leave that with Him who sent him. He is soon leaving for Santa > Barbara. > > The phrase "among the Progressive Friends," makes me think he was a > Conservative rather than Orthodox minister. > > If anyone on the list has the Sharpless genealogy that Herbert mentions I > would very much appreciate it if they would check it for Edward Shapless > (1831-1899). > > Thank you, > Gregory McReynolds > Pasadena, California > > -----Original Message----- > From: Standcedargrove@aol.com [mailto:Standcedargrove@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:42 PM > To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Q-R] Edward Sharpless, Conservative Friends Minister? > > Concerning the query from Gregory McReyolds as to whether Edward Sharpless > was a Conservative Friends Minister ---- > > I am not acquainted with the life of Edward Sharpless. I would have the > inclination to believe that he was probably a Friend of the Philadelphia > area, although he could have lived in Ohio. > > During the later nineteenth century there was a large representation of > Wilburite Fiends in the membership of Philadelphia Yearly Meeting > (Orthodox), otherwise known as Philadelphia Yearly Meeting (Arch Street). > This Yearly Meeting could not correspond with the other Wilburite and > Conservative Yearly Meetings because there was also a substantial Gurneyite > faction within the Yearly Meeting. In order to prevent a split in the > Yearly Meeting, the Yearly Meeting suspended correspondence with all Yearly > Meetings. However, it is my impression that Philadelphia Orthodox ministers > often traveled among Wilburite and Conservative Yearly Meetings in the West, > and Philadelphia (Orthodox) Friends also contibuted to the building of > Meetinghouses and Schools in the West. > > The Quaker genealogist Gilbert Cope compiled an extensive genealogy of > the Sharpless family which was published ca. 1885. This genealogy was > expanded into a two volume work ca. 1967 by Bart Anderson, as I recall. > These genealogies can be found in large Quaker libraries. > > ------- Herbert Standing > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gregory McReynolds [mailto:quillcottage@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:43 PM > To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Q-R] Edward SHARPLESS, Conservative Friends Minister? > > I wonder if anyone can tell me if the Edward Sharpless born 27 May 1831 and > died, unmarried, 10 May 1899, the son of Blakey Sharpless (1787-1853) and > Mary Offley (1793-1865), was a Conservative Friends Minister? He may have > traveled as a Friends minister to Pasadena, California in January 1887 and > then on to Santa Barbara, California. > > Any information is welcome. > > Thanks in advance, > Gregory McReynolds > Pasadena, California

Does any one know what happen to Hannah Martin who married John Smith 39da 3rd mo 1737,Chester, Pennsylvania. Hannah is daughter of Moses Martin and Margaret Battin. I found a John Smith born abt 1752 living near Moses Martin and Mary Evans (son of Moses Martin and Margaret Battin) Not sure if this John Smith is related to John and Hannah Martin Smith. John Smith born abt 1752, died in Lincoln County, Tennessee. His son David married Elizabeth Davis dau of Morgan Davis and Sarah Reed Davis. Sarah Reed is a Quaker from New Jersey. I know the some of this family was disowned Quakers but not sure of the others. Janet Ariciu -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005

I hope this isn't too silly a question -- I'm not totally Quaker adept ---- . Did Quakers have to apply for a license and/or make their intent public like non-Quakers or did they do that only within the church ? Thanks all -- Terri