Yes, they are the civil marriage records. There are two theories why Hinshaw included them: 1) he wanted to pad the Virginia volume; or 2) he wanted to increase its usefulness. They have misled many a researcher, who assumed that because an ancestor appears in these record that he or she must have been a Quaker. Tom Hamm >In view of the recent discussion on civil records, I am hoping that >somebody might be able to tell me about the records at the end of >Vol.VI of the Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy. It list >marriage bonds from Bedford and Campbell Counties, Virginia. They >appear to be civil records in their wording rather than Quaker? > Thanks, Dave Williams > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Visit The Quaker Corner - http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers

In view of the recent discussion on civil records, I am hoping that somebody might be able to tell me about the records at the end of Vol.VI of the Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy. It list marriage bonds from Bedford and Campbell Counties, Virginia. They appear to be civil records in their wording rather than Quaker? Thanks, Dave Williams

Is anyone researching the Kindley surname? I just learned that my daughter-in-law descends from Rebecca E. Kindley, b. 28 Feb 1842 in Wayne Co., IN. Her father was Joel Kindley, b. ~1811 in OH. Her mother was Rachael Elizabeth Hunt, b. ~1813. I would love to have info on this line. Thanks. Joan Benton

Mrs. Irvin Melotte passed away Monday morning at Portland General hospital after an illness of several months duration. Funeral services were held this (Thursday) morning at the Tualatin church, and interment was in Winona cemetery. (note by Nana: died March 13, 1944. Funeral Wed March 15, 1944. Dr. Peterson) Mrs. Mellott was born in Tualatin, the daughter of Vetal and Nora Ciminoe. She spent her entire life in Tualatin where she made a host of friends who mourn her passing. She is survived by her husband, Irvin, one son, Roy, Two brothers, Dolph and John: 2 nieces, Elsie Ciminoe and Jessie Wager and two nephews, John Jr. and Walter Ciminoe.

Mrs. Mable Heimbach passed away at her home last Thursday, August 23, after a brief illness.( note added by Nana, "died Aug 16, 1945, interred Sat. Aug 18, 1945) Mrs. Heimbach has long been identified with the Tualatin church, and has been unsparing of her time and effort in the work of the church and organizations connected with the church. Last rites were held Saturday afternoon at the church with Dr. Hans Peterson in charge. She was laid to rest in Winona Cemetery.

Mr and Mrs Emmor W. Hall celebrated their golden wedding anniversary Tuesday, October 17th (1933) with a reception held at First Friends church, attended by a number of their friends and neighbors. They were married at Damascus in 1883. They moved to Newberg in 1889 and came to Portland in 1902, where they have since resided. Their present address is 2213 Southeast 57th avenue. Mr Hall was a mail carrier, having retired in 1926 after 25 years' continuous service. A daughter, Mrs. Marie Haines, and her family attended the anniversary reception. They have another daughter, Mrs. Julia Pearson, who is a missionary in Guatemala, Central America with her husband. ------ Note: There is a picture of Emmor and his wife. There is also a picture in the scrapbook of daughter, Julia Pearson, her husband Howard, and their son Donny.

Honor Careys On 50th Wedding Day Sunday, August 23, 1942, relatives and friends gathered at the Friends church basement here in Earlham to help Alva and Minnie Carey celebrate their Golden Wedding. It was a beautiful day, and by one o'clock all were there with well filled baskets and dinner was soon served. A large golden and white wedding cake, was in the center of a long table. The cake was presented by their daughter, Valma Coulter and grandchildren Mr. and Mrs Wendell Wright. The bride and groom sat facing the cake, with the guests on each side of the table, two smaller tables were used in serving. Rev. Wilson returned Thanks for the blessing of the day. A short program was given, beginning with songs of praise; " I Love to Tell the Story", "At the Cross", "He Keeps me Smiling", were the songs used: Laurence Cook played the piano. Reading by Levi Cook, " The Model Church." Reading, Philena Nolte. Piano solo, Laurence Cook. First visits remembered at Aunt Minnies, Dora Hougham. Childhood memor! ies, Philena Nolte. Rev. and Mrs. Wilson also gave short readings. Closing solo, "Old Grey Bonnet", Laurence Cook. Reading by Levi Cook, "The Old Kitchen Floor." The bride and groom received many beautiful presents. And thank their friends for the many rememberances. Those present were: Mr. and Mrs. Alva Carey, Earlham; Mr. and Mrs. Joe Macy, Earlham; Mr. and Mrs. Levi Cook, Earlham; Mrs. Ernest Cook and son Laurence, Waukee; Mrs Philena Nolte, Earlham; Mr. John Wright, Des Moines; Mr and Mrs Wendell Wright and son Russell, Des Moines; Mr. and Mrs Walter WIlson, Earlham; Mr and Mrs. Hougham, Booneville. Mrs. Velma Coulter, Le Grand; Mrs Vera Shepard, Marshalltown; Mr and Mrs Philip Macy and son, Ross, Earlham; Mr Melvin Landis and son Charles, Minburn; Mr and Mrs Boyd Tyre and son Robert, Waukee; Mr and Mrs Everett Hougham and daughters Jean and Nona Jill, Booneville; Mr Axel Naig, Le Grand; Miss Mildred Pettey, Perry; Mr and Mrs Dick Parker, Dexter; Mr and Mrs Fred ! Noland and granddaughter Mary Jane Noland, Earlham.

Dear All: I am descended from William Comer I and Nancy Barbee Comer from Randolph County, North Carolina. They moved to Indiana and are buried here in Clay County, Indiana, about 1/2 mile from my farm. They were my ggg grandparents. They were early pioneers in this area with their son, William II marrying a Potawatomi Indian women which were my gg grandparents. They belonged to the Quaker church in North Carolina before their removal. I have found out little about their affiliation with the Quakers after their arrival here in Indiana. William II and his wife, Margaret, also are buried close to my farm but not in the same cemetery. The Comers along with Ormans (Aumons), Coles and a few other families came here by ox cart from North Carolina probably in the l840s. I just found William I and Nancy Barbee Comer's grave site just a few weeks ago although it was just a short distance from my farm. I knew it was in the area but could not find it as almost everything is gone due to weathe! ring except Nancy Barbee Comer's headstone. It was almost in pristine shape with all letters being easily read. I am interested in finding out all that I can about the Comer or Barbee families. I believe that there is quite a bit of Indian blood from the women that the Comer men married over the years besides William II's marriage to Margaret. I would be happy to correspond with any one that would be interested or connected with this family. There are no more Comers living in this area as they have all married into other families or have moved or are deceased. Thank you for your time.............R Reagan........aka.........redtailchickenhawk.............

Hello Dale and Donna, I think I too asked about these photos, but it's been a while. I had forgotten about it. I have at least one photo of Rachel and Abram Jones and family, which I would be glad to email a scanned copy. I'd be interested in copies of your photos, too, and would be happy to pay costs, of course. Why don't you reply direct to me (kraigjones2000@yahoo.com) if you're interested. Thanks, Kraig Jones --- "Harguess, Dale" <dharguess@coastline.edu> wrote: > Hi Donna, > > You never answered my reply that I would be happy to pay for the > postage > and copy charges for these photos. I am very interested in putting > an > Adcock/Emery scrapbook together. I have some photos and a tintype of > Rachel (Adcock) Emery and her family and am also happy to share. > Dale in California > > -----Original Message----- > From: DLWbranson@aol.com [mailto:DLWbranson@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:38 PM > To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Land transactions In > Rowan/Orange/Guilford/Randolph > Counties in NC > > Hi, > I know that a branch of the Adcock family changed their name to > Emery, > and > it seems took the Adcock name to become their middle names. I think > it > was > normal to do this as my Quaker Bull Family changed their surname to > Talbert in > 1805 and all born prior to 1805 are shown with the middle name of > Bull. > I do > have 3 photos of David Adcock Emery and his wife Amanda Talbert I am > sure the 3 > photos were taken at the yearly quaker meetings . if tyey are your > relatives > and you want to have copies i am glad to share . > > > Donna > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. > > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Visit The Quaker Corner - http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Hi Donna, You never answered my reply that I would be happy to pay for the postage and copy charges for these photos. I am very interested in putting an Adcock/Emery scrapbook together. I have some photos and a tintype of Rachel (Adcock) Emery and her family and am also happy to share. Dale in California -----Original Message----- From: DLWbranson@aol.com [mailto:DLWbranson@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 7:38 PM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Q-R] Land transactions In Rowan/Orange/Guilford/Randolph Counties in NC Hi, I know that a branch of the Adcock family changed their name to Emery, and it seems took the Adcock name to become their middle names. I think it was normal to do this as my Quaker Bull Family changed their surname to Talbert in 1805 and all born prior to 1805 are shown with the middle name of Bull. I do have 3 photos of David Adcock Emery and his wife Amanda Talbert I am sure the 3 photos were taken at the yearly quaker meetings . if tyey are your relatives and you want to have copies i am glad to share . Donna ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE.

Hi listers, I'm trying to sort out the Quaker Small family in the Tidewater areas of Virginia and North Carolina. We're having some success with it, and have found a few Wills that have helped identify some family members. But I need some help. If anyone on the list has copies of Wills that they have gotten from the various counties in these two states, would you consider sharing them with me? I have copies of several: Joseph Small (s/o John and Alce Hollowell Small who m. Ann Owen.) Benjamin Small (s/o John and Alce Hollowell who m. Mary Knight) Benjamin Small (s/o Joseph and Ann Owen who m. Mary Humphries) Benjamin Small (s/o Benjamin and Mary Humphries) I am looking for any Will of John, Thomas, Matthew or Obediah Small. (Not abstracts) I need full copies of the will, several abstracts have been found to be in error, or lack all the pertinent information. My main time period would be 1680 to 1750 time frame, (except Obediah who d. 1788) If anyone has a will by the surname Small that falls in this time period, bible record, or other documents that would help identify family in this area, I'd appreciate your contacting me. If anyone needs a copy of the above wills, please let me know. Jim Small

The following e-mail from England provides more detailed information on Jordans Meeting House. The warden is out of the hospital and appears to be doing well. Damage to the meeting house was not as intense (to the 1688 section) as I had heard earlier. Some folks have sent me e-mails stating that early American Friends meeting houses were constructed similar to Jordans. For those of you who are unfamiliar with its interior plan, it has the minister's gallery against one end wall and the partition placed parallel to the gallery, dividing the larger meeting room into the smaller entryway. This stands in stark contrast to the American system in which the gallery stretches along one side wall and is bisected by the partition. The second floor or loft only exists over the entryway (which they call the lobby below). Seth Hinshaw ----- News about the condition of the Meeting House. The lobby is largely unscathed; gallery (i.e., the loft) contents have been completely rescued; Meeting room is intact but has holes in the ceiling; all the benches and tables rescued and in storage at Old Jordans; Steve (warden) is out of hospital; Children's Room damaged by demolition of the chimney; the roof has to be dismantled; messages of love and prayers for Jordans Friends continue to flow in. Jenny and I would like to have an Open House at our house at 158 Cherry Tree Road, Beaconsfield, on Sixth Day evening 18th Third Month at 8pm when you can look at photos in detail. There are about 50 photos including work in progress, all the contents of the gallery (loft), and 10 of the condition of the inside of the Meeting House. Please ring me if you need directions. I would be pleased if you would pass this on to Friends who do not have e mail. Douglas Butterfield 01494 677221 or 07768 560560 There is good news. There has been a working party at Jordan today, and all the benches and the tables from the Meeting House have been brought out undamaged, except superficially with water and ash, and have been taken to the Mayflower Barn for temporary storage until the insurers can arrange for more permanent storage. None of the furniture in the lobby area, the table, bench, Windsor chairs, and the book rack, have been brought out but remain in the lobby undamaged, and can stay there. All the pictures and documents, together with the book chest, from the gallery (loft) have been brought out of the building and all seem to be relatively undamaged, and I have made a photographic inventory of all the items. All of these are also being stored temporarily at Old Jordans, until they can be stored more satisfactorily in a more permanent place in collaboration with the insurers. A couple of the framed letters of William Penn will need some minor professional attention, and Sue Smithson has the details of these. The Meeting House itself still has most of its ceiling, with some holes where the room is now open to the sky, but all the roof timbers need to be dismantled before a temporary tin roof can be put on. A representative of English Heritage has been at Jordans today giving advice about the structure of the building, and the need for the employment of a local structural engineer to give advice about the dismantling of the roof. A protective wooden shield is being built over the raised minister's gallery at the far end of the Meeting House to protect it from any damage from falling timbers or collapsing parts of the ceiling. Steve Bellamy has now been discharged from hospital and has moved into the gardener's cottage at Old Jordans, having been back to Wexham Park Hospital to have his dressings removed. He continues to be grateful for all the support he has received.

Mike Kinch, a Friend from Lancaster County PA, phoned me this evening. He just returned from a travel among Friends in England. He had planned to stay at the Jordans Meeting House one night, but the day before he arrived there, the meeting house burned. The fire started in the addition, east of the 1688 section. The warden was badly burned in the process of attempting to extinguish the flames and was still in the hospital when Mike left England. The fire consumed the ancient Friends library at Jordans, which had been moved into the addition. The fire proceeded into the 1688 section, burning the roof before being extinguished. The roof timbers were badly charred but did not collapse. Mike reports that the door and windows on the historic 'front' of the meeting house are intact. Jordans is one of the key 17th century Friends meeting houses. The meeting house itself is one of the two-cell meeting house type which was common in England from 1688 until the early 1800s. Although this was the most common type of Friends meeting house in England, there are no known examples of the type in North America. William Penn and Isaac Penington are buried in front of the meeting house at Jordans. Since Jordans had already been identified as one of the landmark religious buildings of the 17th century in England, moneys are available for its complete rebuilding, as near to the original as possible.

Are there any videos available on the early history of Quakerism? We would like to have a meeting with the Wilbur and Gurney branches on the founding of the Society and early years. Thank you. David Stratton

Keep in mind that civil records of vital statistics are a relatively recent development in the United States. Some states did not require any kind of marriage license until about 1850, and those that did usually exempted Quakers from that requirement. I've found no indication that Friends objected to civil recording of births and deaths. Friends recorded wills and deeds and probates like their neighbors. Your impression probably comes from the Quaker belief that marriage was a purely religious matter. Thus Friends objected to requiring marriage licenses, and they did not record Quaker marriages in civil records. There may have been a few exceptions to that--I'm told that Columbiana County, Ohio, before 1820 is one. Tom Hamm >Is it possible to outline the vital records one might locate in meeting >minutes? > >I'm also a bit confused regarding Quaker practices regarding BDM records and >county records? Did they go to their county courthouse and report a birth, >marriage or death once it was a state law? > >What about land and probate records? > >Probably in error, I've somehow I got the impression that they didn't like >to give this information to the county. > >Diane > > > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I've not seen any contemporary explanation of this. My opinion is that the bonnet is there as a reminder of roots or origins. I have seen it in photos of women who were not ministers. Tom Hamm >Recently I've seen a couple of photographs of Quaker women, both individual >and in pairs, or in one case a group of four, where there is Quaker bonnet >placed on a table beside them. Does this have any significance? Perhaps that >they have traveled as ministers? > >Thanks in advance, >Gregory McReynolds >Pasadena, California > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Is it possible to outline the vital records one might locate in meeting minutes? I'm also a bit confused regarding Quaker practices regarding BDM records and county records? Did they go to their county courthouse and report a birth, marriage or death once it was a state law? What about land and probate records? Probably in error, I've somehow I got the impression that they didn't like to give this information to the county. Diane

Recently I've seen a couple of photographs of Quaker women, both individual and in pairs, or in one case a group of four, where there is Quaker bonnet placed on a table beside them. Does this have any significance? Perhaps that they have traveled as ministers? Thanks in advance, Gregory McReynolds Pasadena, California

Does anyone have information on the parents or ancestry of Mary C. "Mollie" Embree who married Arthur Stewart Hollingsworth the 14th March 1872 probably in Cedar County, Iowa? Arthur is the son of Lawson Duncan Hollingsworth and Lucinda Maudlin. These families were early Quaker settlers in Pasadena, California coming out in the mid to late 1870s. Thanks in advance, Gregory McReynolds Pasadena, California

Hello Everyone, I posted the following to several VA and surname lists that I thought would be interested, but just realized that many subscribers here have Quaker connections to VA (including myself). So, I am submitting it here. FYI, I have corresponded with VDOT and they are doing Frederick Co. next, possibly available by end of year. Note: The list at the end does not contain links. You need to go to the website. My best Janet --- Here is the post. Subj: Early VA Road Orders Online Date: 3/9/2005 8:19:21 AM Eastern Standard Time Hello Everyone, I wanted to make sure you know about this valuable resource available at the VDOT (Va Dept of Transportation) website. If someone has already posted here, please accept this apology and also for cross-posting, but I think this is wonderful! Please feel free to pass on to other lists Janet (Baugh)Hunter === Here's the info and all counties already covered: (These are PDF files, and take a while to download. Free Adobe Reader needed for PDF files downloadable at: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html). VDOT Website URL: http://www.virginiadot.org/vtrc/main/index_main.htm Using the links on the left, click on Publications. Click on this at the bottom of the lefthand column: "VTRC's historic road documents are now available online". You will find the following (links at end): The establishment and maintenance of public roads were among the most important functions of the county court during the colonial period in Virginia. Each road was opened and maintained by an overseer (or surveyor) of the highways, who was appointed each year by the Gentlemen Justices. The overseer was usually assigned all the able-bodied men (the "Labouring Male Tithables") living on or near the road. These laborers then furnished their own tools, wagons, and teams and were required to work on the roads for six days each year. County court records relating to roads and transportation are collectively known as "road orders." The Virginia Transportation Research Council's published volumes of road orders and related materials contain not only information on early roads, but also the names of inhabitants who lived and worked along the roadways, plantations, farms, landmarks, landforms, and bodies of water. Much of this information is found nowhere else in early records, making these publications invaluable not only to historical and cultural resource research, but also to other disciplines, including social history, preservation planning, environmental science, and genealogy. VTRC Number Author, Title 04-R17 Miller, A.B. New Kent County and Hanover County Road Orders 1706-1743 Online Report 03-R19 Mitchell B. Fairfax County Road Orders 1749-1800 Online Report 02-R14 Pawlett, N.M., Miller, A.B., and Clark, K.M. Amelia County Road Orders Online Report 99-R17 Pawlett, N.M., Miller, A.B., Clark, K.M.and Samuel, T.L. Jr. Augusta County Road Orders 1745-1769 Online Report 94-TAR13 Miller, A.B. Culpeper County Road Orders, 1763-1764 Online Report 93-R17 Pawlett, N.M., and Boyd, T.J. Lunenburg County Road Orders, 1746-1764 Online Report 90-R6 Miller, A.B. Orange County Road Orders, 1750-1800 Online Report 89-R1 Pawlett, N.M. Brunswick County Road Orders, 1732-1749 Online Report 85-R17 Pawlett, N.M. Spotsylvania County Road Orders, 1722-1734 Online Report 85-R2 Miller, A.B. Orange County Road Orders, 1734-1749 Online Report 81-R36 Pawlett, N.M. Albemarle County Roads, 1725-1816 Online Report (2 MB. Size) 78-R16 Pawlett, N.M. A Brief History of Roads in Virginia, 1607-1840 Online Report 76-R45 Pawlett, N.M. An Index to Roads in the Albemarle County Surveyor’s Books Online Report 76-R32 Pawlett, N.M. and Newlon, H. The Route of the Three Notch’d Road Online Report 76-R27 Pawlett, N.M. Albemarle County Road Orders, 1783-1816 Online Report 75-R72 Pawlett, N.M. Albemarle County Road Orders, 1744-1748 Online Report 75-R71 Pawlett, N.M. Goochland County Road Orders, 1728-1744 Online Report 75-R59 Young, D. A Brief History of the Staunton and James River Turnpike Online Report 75-R43 Pawlett, N.M. Louisa County Road Orders, 1742-1748 Online Report